Mark Millar and Rob Liefeld said they don't read modern comics any more.
Do you feel the same?
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Mark Millar and Rob Liefeld said they don't read modern comics any more. Do you feel the same?
wonder what Manga is Millar is reading
He asked Miller for manga reccs and Miller told Millar about some classics.
Porn 100%
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so hentei rather than manga then.
Doujinshi are independent manga and will have a place in my future indie comics 3x3
>I Was an Ordinary Comic Book Writer Until I Woke up in a World Where Goat Licking is a Professional Sport
Probably edgy bullshit like Attack on Titan
>edgy bullshit
This attitude is probably the reason why manga won.
Edgy comics isnt a sure fire ticket too success or praise . See the boys comic and any slop garrh ennis does
>NO I DON'T WANT THAT
>NAH I'LL WIN
>O MY RUBBER NEN
Every day you defend this bullshit as if it deserves to be on par with 80s comic writing
Ironically, My Hero Academia is a manga that owes more to western comics than most Japanese material.
Hence why it sucks
And all the girls are useless
>edgy bullshit
Attack on Titan has a lot to actually criticize but it's nowhere near as edgy as something like The Batman Who Laughs.
There’s a lot more edgy anime than Attack on Titan and love it or hate it it was the anime that got soooo many people interested in anime.
>Attack on Titan
>Edgy
What level of post-meta-ironic- irony is this?
If Attack on Titan is your first thought for "edgy" you really don't expose yourself to much media.
Parallel Paradise
I'm sure it'd be right up his alley.
Because the 90s was the last time rob liefeld was relevant.
To be fair if he is reading manga I am really curious to see if this will affect his future comics.
explains why their newer comics still read like shit
Liefeld was never good as a writer though
how exactly does that "explain why their newer comics still read like shit"?
>be Millar and Liefeld
>be two major players in driving the comic book industry into the ground
>"wtf why is the modern comic book industry so dead???"
Yeah, I’m sure it was Liefeld and Millar who told DC Comics to make all their characters gay/“bi” and Marvel to make Peter Parker a cuck.
Idiot.
What's your point here? Does having shitty comics in 2023 just magically excuse the countless shitty comics both Millar and Liefeld did back in their respective heydays?
Tbf previous anon had a point, Millar and Liefeld did damage the industry to get us to where we are now. Liefeld got hella famous without any real talent which speaks for itself and Millar definitely contributed to the “make fans angry and they’ll buy fifteen copies of each book” Marvel had thru the 00s to late 10s.
> Liefeld got hella famous without any real talent
That’s all over the entertainment industry, though. If your industry is so weak that one guy’s unearned success can frick it up, it’s already fricked up.
It wasn't one guy it was an entire company dedicated to the worst practices the industry had for a decade.
That's also all over the entertainment industry.
I mean, yeah. The comic industry is a considerably smaller industry than, say, the movie industry, so if one guy can sell literally ten times the average comic with slop it’s going to affect things. Liefeld also leaned hard into the speculator market of the 90s that crashed the comic industry so hard it never recovered.
Congratulations, you've just realised that the comic book industry has been a horrible, backwards, monstrous duopoly for absolutely decades.
I realized it decades ago, but thank you, nonetheless.
Death of Superman is more responsible for the birth of the speculator market than 100 Liefields.
Death of Superman was DC trying to chase the success of Marvel and Image created by Liefeld and pals. Young blood and Spawn and all their X-men and Spider-man stuff had already come out and sold crazy by then.
>I realized it decades ago, but thank you, nonetheless.
Fair enough then, carry on anon. Sorry for the snarkiness.
>Death of Superman is more responsible for the birth of the speculator market than 100 Liefields.
I agree that Death of Superman would be more responsible for speculators than Liefeld, but the speculator craze/market was around as far back as the 60s. It just got bloated in the 90s and did worse impacts combined with the impact of bad decisions from publishers
And Liefeld glutting the market with a thousand different foil covers and #1s every month didn’t help, dummy. In the late 90s/early 2000s I’d go with my parents to antique malls and every single one had at least one comic box full of multiple copies of Liefeld bullshit. One of the most disappointing moments of my childhood.
The last time I tried was Hickman's X-men but I lost interest pretty quickly. The ongoing didn't live up to the premise.
I don't respect these destructive hacks opinions though. Nothing worth reading from either of them except maybe a few things Millar stole from Morrison.
I don't believe Rob Liefeld can read.
Aren’t both of these guys like in their 60s? I’d say it’s probably for the best that comic companies have moved on from trying to appeal to old men who just want to jerk off over things they read as kids
>and why the frick is Millar’s avatar fricking Eminem?
>it’s probably for the best that comic companies have moved on from trying to appeal to old men
Who the frick else can afford to pay 5$ for 22 pages?
I read Stonetoss.
A couple has beens that haven't put out anything worth a frick in 20+ years? Who gives a shit.
>haven't put out anything worth a frick in 20+ years?
This describes the entirety of Marvel and DC btw
2015 the year Marvel die
Yeah. I don't read comics. But I do keep myself aware of which ones come out in case something does ever pop out that makes me excited again.
British comics stay winning
With Big 2 cape books, definitely. They've been mostly unreadable for years now.
I can see this is another "Cinemaphile pretends Rob Liefeld is worse than the absolute state of modern Marvel and DC" thread, but the man's got good taste in late 70s Avengers, he's got most of the Korvac Saga there.
That Perez issue with the Wanda cover, good choice Rob.
>good taste
>Avengers
Pick one.
>not enjoying late 1970s Avengers
>mostly written by Shooter or Michelinie, usually with Byrne or Perez drawing
Either you're one of those weird X-Men fans who seethes about the Avengers even being a thing, or you just have bad taste in comics if you're calling those issues bad.
My problem is that I have good taste, so I could never enjoy something like The Avengers or X-Men, no matter how much I want to.
>My problem is that I have good taste
It sounds like the only thing you ever taste is dick
>mention good taste
>immediately thinks of dick
You're gay.
I'm a zoomer and I don't read modern comics.
Okay. I read Catwoman and Black Widow to fap. But all the good shit left the mainstream.
They just read what they are use to likeost people their ages, I doubt they read anything different that's old too, set in their ways.
That's nice but I don't read modern comics just cause Mark Millar and Rob Liefeld don't. I don't read modern comics because they suck. It's just a bunch of women talking in a coffee shop, putting men down or lezzing out in the worst possible way. The only action is punching received political enemies. Coupled with shoddy art that makes Stardust look good, there is no reason to keep up. I just buy compendiums of older books and manga.
>I don’t read new comics anymore but here is my hot take as to why everything allegedly sucks now
Oh wow Mark Millar has turned into Cinemaphile
I stopped reading new comics in like 2018. And I had already mostly stopped once Secret Wars 3 happened in like 2015 or whatever year it was.
I barely read American comics at all. Only Americans care about your "monthlies" anyway, and in the rest of the world comics are treated more like books. In other words, no-one gives a frick if you decide to read something that's been on the shelves for ages. In fact, Prince Valiant is still on the shelves, and it is a century old by now. And American.
As an outsider looking in, it's crazy to see Americans go wild over small things when the whole problem is your business model.
I haven't read an ongoing zmerican made comic book in... years. Even if the quality magically improves I wouldn't buy the issues because the price is too high.
So in a way, I agree.
On the other hand, I actively avoid anything with Millar or Liefeld is involved with so it's funny that they don't think they're part if the problem.
PS old capeshit is rancid too.