Could movies be possibly bombing in Burgerland because of massively inflated marketing budgets and not because (at least for the most part) the movie that’s being advertised is absolute shit?
Because something tells me that weebs have a valid point that’ll echo until the end of time.
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I need to watch this
somewhat the poster may be enough for some people.
I have watched so many anime because I just liked a single image of some anime that an anon posted or someone used as a banner in a forum, didn't even read the synopsis or saw a trailer, still loved them. Hollywood marketing is excessive, but they market to a worldwide audience and on a wide audience, so they need to cram as much people as possible in that 1 month that is in the cinema, and big numbers help to write headlines, so more ads
>I have watched so many anime because I just liked a single image of some anime that an anon posted or someone used as a banner in a forum
literally me with Planetes. That was the pic, what a great anime that was.
I'm half asleep and that looks like a nude Marge lying on the bed ready to get proper fricked.
eh, I doubt it. Ghibli doesn't need marketing because everybody watches what they do, anticipates the release, and they have a good reputation for quality. So taking the small risk of not knowing what the film is about is like going for a surprise course at a very good restaurant. You might not know exactly what you're getting but you know it will be good.
For films in general this doesn't apply. Even in Japan they need to market them.
Your point that the marketing budget may be so inflated that it burdens the picture is a good one though, but we don't really know what anything costs with Hollywood so it's hard to say.
Pixar had this too before they started making soft core child porn
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>they have a good reputation for quality
>forgot From Up On Poppy Hill, Earwig And The Witch and Tales From Earthsea
I like Poppy Hill
Me too, it's actually one of my favorites. The non-magical Ghiblis are underrated, same with Ocean Waves, Only Yesterday and Whisper of the Heart.
Only yesterday was great. whisper of the heart was decent. how is Ocean waves?
It's really good. If you liked Only Yesterday you're almost definitely going to like Ocean Waves.
>trash taste watcher is a moron
From Up On Poppy Hill is great
Poppy Hill is terrific
Poppyhill is probably one of the best movies
Earthsea made by his son
Poppy, earthsea and Earwig are directed by his son
So was poppyhill. Earthsea would have been better if it wasnt his first film as well. Also that’s too long to be a movie rather than a series.
>movie releases in America with no advertising at all
>”gkids dumped this film in the middle of a busy holiday season for no reason, which means the movie must be absolute trash”
Does all the talk of it having no marketing count as marketing?
in Japan an anime movie can just go to theatres with like a months notice/heads up and they just go and see it.
Only if its Shinkai, Ghibli or a very popular current shounen movie.
>The Boy and The Heron
That's not what it's called.
That’s the official international title
Marketing isn't necessary if your movie is good. Western movies are heavily marketed and still bomb so you're laughably wrong about their quality.
If your friend watches a movie and tells you to watch it because it's really good, you'll likely watch it and that's what happens in Japan.
Marketing is nice but if you're marketing a shit movie then nothing you can do will make people watch; You're just letting people know it exists but they don't want to watch.
>that's what happens in Japan
No, you moron, that's not what happens in Japan.
Japanese movies have marketing, is just this one movie from Hayao Miyazaki that released without marketing because his name alone can bring people to cinema. Most movies don't have the same power.
Marketing in general is in a huge slump. People are over stimulated and everything is just noise
Should Tarantino release only a poster for the final one?
tarantino like miyazaki has a good brand and reputation, so people would get interested in a movie made by them even if it hasn't extensive marketing.
See for example oppenhaimer, a shitty movie mainly discussed because is made by nolan, the weight of his reputation is second to the marketing.
Some movie called blue bettle, made by who people on who characters, need an extensive marketing tho to get people into it
well, Oppenheimer isn't released yet.But yeah Nolan is a brand name. I hope Tarantino does a small teaser/poster and nothing.
>calling Japanese people "weebs"
fricking moron
It's part of it but Miyazaki has a huge reputation so you kinda already know what your getting most movies don't have the boost of being attached to one of the most renowned directors ever and will need some level of advertising to create interest, the main issue is Hollywood movies have extremely overinflated budgets in general and they aren't really making movies for their domestic audience but the global market so when the movie fails overseas they pretty much have nothing to fall back on to create profit.
This. If Disney were alive and had an upcoming movie the PR would do all the lifting there wouldn’t need to be marketing.
His names is huge in Japan and the film's apparently very good.
just saw this tonight. I can do a real rough summary here of just the basic plot if anyone wants to read it but its probably better, like all movies, to go in blind
protag moves into an estate with his stepmom 4 years after his mom dies in air raids, his dad runs a factory making planes. Theres a weird tower on the property and a bird that eventually begins taunting and attacking him. his stepmom goes missing, he pursues her into the tower, where stuff happens and him, the birdman, a maid from the house and his stepmom are all pulled into a limbo spiritual world. from there he's looking for his stepmom but a lot of stuff happens from there. it gets pretty loose and allegorical. think the same visual intensity and character design of spirited away but with a much more dreamy narrative focused around both accepting his step mother as his mother and assuming responsibility for making a peaceful world.
I think I missed a couple major things because my japanese listening is kind of cheeks. there were a few fast arguments between characters where I lost tract of what was being said. Theres a secondary character who I kind of think is like, his mom from a different world. but I could be wrong
is the movie good? better than spirited away?
I really don't want to judge it until I've at least seen it with japanese subtitles since I can read way better than I can listen. The theater I go to usually has glasses they'll lend you that projects subtitles on the lens but for some reason that was unavailable tonight. It doesn't feel like spirited away. it feels more like whisper of the heart with a fantasy framing. coming of age story, just more within the framework of exploring a fantastical world. The animation is really something but I don't think its gonna beat spirited away for me personally.
Its no budget flick though, theres tons of incredible setpieces that are up there with spirited away and ponyo in terms of visual spectacle.
>theater I go to usually has glasses they'll lend you that projects subtitles on the lens but for some reason that was unavailable tonight.
Lol so you just had to watch it in chonger language? I would have walked out
>The theater I go to usually has glasses they'll lend you that projects subtitles on the lens but for some reason that was unavailable tonight.
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welp
I don’t mean to be rude but please don’t tell me you think spirited away is the best ghibli or Miyazaki. Ffs princess kaguya came after it and SA isn’t even a top 5 Miyazaki.
its about child prostitution
i think only yesterday/kiki's delivery/lupin the third are great. So where does this one rank?
imagine if the Little Mermaid had zero marketing and no one knew Ariel was black until the opening day. How many people do you think would have bought tickets expecting to see some hot mermaid jailbait in a bikini for two hours?
no, the stuff they're putting out is still trash and fewer people are watching them than before the coof
however, I will agree that the severity of these failing movies is made much worse by the fact budgets have ballooned consistently to the $200-300M range with another $80-150M in marketing tacked on
Western media quality has unequivocally and objectively declined as a reflection of western social and cultural decadence.
The communication paradigm has shifted away from hierarchic communication and favoring interaction and customer input instead thus media has abandoned authors and their messages and visions in favor of technicians hired for the purpose of giving the loud masses exactly what they say they want.
In short originality, individual vision and style, what we used to call art and what young people here call kino, have been cast away in favor of making content tailored in response to social network demand.
Marketing is not innocent (specially if you account for non traditional marketing like social media) but it`s more of a symptom rather than the underlying cause of the problem.
How long until this releases in Europe? I've never seen a ghibli in the kinotheatre and really want to see miyazaki's last work (yes I know he's said that for multiple films but this time i think its true)
Hayao "Death to amerikkka" Miyazaki can do no wrong in my book