he looked normal in the ZSJL scenes that were clearly shot in 2016. the stuff snyder shot in 2020 for the knightmare/martian manhunter ending, he looks malnourished. in josstice league, he’s bloated and puffy and red. in the flash, he looks like a terminally ill cancer patient.
The fact that we're talking about 3 different shoots with a multi-year gap and 2 different directors all for the same film is just kind of insane when you think about it.
We've discussed the failure of the DCEU so much the madness has lost some of its shock value. But they seriously took the pivotal film of their entire cinematic universe, hired somebody who was the complete tonal and aesthetic opposite of the original director to reshoot the vast majority of it despite the fact that their Superman actor would need his face conspicuously CGI'd over in every new scene. And then they got thoroughly humiliated when the guy they fired recut the movie again and made a version everyone agrees was better than the one they'd basically doubled their production budget to produce. And they would have split that film in half and released it theatrically as 2 films. They spent twice as much to make half as much. When you factor in the collateral damage from the DCEU basically being a lame duck franchise with multiple DOA films being shat out after the thing was already announced as dead, the opportunity cost is in the billions. Just fricking staggering
i’m concerned for safran and gunn’s DCU. you just know the first thing that ends up flopping, warners is going to do what they always do and panic and blow a shitton of money to frick everything up again. time’s a flat circle.
OH THANK GOD I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY
Anywhere I went, even here, people are always sucking Batflecks wiener, saying he's the best/truest/sexiest Batman that has ever been on film. HE SUCKS ASS. For the longest time I thought it was just me. Its good to know there are others out there.
>Anywhere I went, even here
people that frequent these threads are considered mentally ill among the mentally ill though, they're not representative of Cinemaphile
Same here. Hes a dog shit Batman. He has 0 presence and looks asleep and out of shape and is a whiny baby to wonder woman in justice league. There's nothing threatening about batfleck. The suit looks dumb as hell because there's nothing aerobic about it. It's just a suit of armor. Ugly fat logo.
Martha scene was stupid but that's the writers fault
Same here. Hes a dog shit Batman. He has 0 presence and looks asleep and out of shape and is a whiny baby to wonder woman in justice league. There's nothing threatening about batfleck. The suit looks dumb as hell because there's nothing aerobic about it. It's just a suit of armor. Ugly fat logo.
Martha scene was stupid but that's the writers fault
he was terrible, but the material he was given was complete dogshit, i'd be depressed too if i was forced to play old batman with no film setup and barely any lines. The script was a trainwreck, the movie should never have been made, BM VS S should have been a 3+ movie setup and much more drawn out.
>i'd be depressed too if i was forced to play old batman with no film setup and barely any lines.
Fricking idiot.
Ben Affleck played Batman precisely because the role was different from anything else done previously.
Did Taken, with Lian Neeson also need any film setup? Or John Wick with Keanu Reeves?
>agreeing to take a role = liking the final script when its given to you
what kind of morono-world are you stuck in gay?
he liked the PREMISE, the sell that Snyder told him, the reality of the crappy script, crappy plot and hyperspeed pacing of the film was the problem that left him bitter about his now-shitty role.
YOU DOUBLE Black person, Ben Affleck brought his screenwriter pal from the movie Argo, Chris Terio, to rewrite the BvS script. Affleck even helped rewrite parts of the script. The final movie was something that Affleck was 100% onboard.
no wonder he was soo depressed kek, all that effort for a shit film.
You cant polish a turd, just ask JJ Abrams on him making the third nu-wars film. Him bringing in a writer doesnt save anyone from the fact that you can't make a DC-Avengers film with 0 buildup, introducing a host of new heroes, AND giving them shitty villains to fight against.
He was a victim of the directors in every movie. He wasn't supposed to come out of nowhere and beat the shit out of superman in a superman movie. Fans absolutely hated that. Then in the rest of them they tried to dial it back and make him "lose" but it was too late...plus, he functioned more as a macguffin in the plots than anything else. Didn't do any detective work or even act like Batman.
Shut the frick up, you idiot. Every time Superman and Batman meet they fight. There have been several reboots in comics, and it is always the same thing.
performance-wise; he did what he could. it’s just like andrew garfield’s spider-man. both could’ve been the best if they weren’t given such shit material.
>Fatman shooting enough munition to destroy a small country inside Gotham >that car that got reduced to small portion of scrap because it was shot like a quintillion times >Fatman training like an idiot after the terrorist explosion >MARTHA? WHY DID YOU SAY THAT?
All I know is seeing Affleck is the first time I actually felt like Bruce Wayne was on the screen. Keaton and Bale did great with the role but Affleck was just born to play Batman. If he was in a better movie this would barely even be a debate.
This poll doesn't even exist, I looked for it. Only sauce of it is the same Instagram account that spread that fake headline about Isabella Merced blaming men for the failure of Madame Web.
I liked BvS and it makes me happy to see people that truly appreciate it on Cinemaphile, makes it seem like the site isn't entirely lost to zoomers and shills
>it’s not a good movie
It's far from perfect but it's not bad at all. >i don’t get why critics went ham on it
Because it wasn't marvel, disney has been paying youtubers and "journalists" to boost their relevancy ever since phase 2.
It's not a perfect trilogy but I still liked it for the most part. ZSJL was a clear improvement over the JossTice League and Snyder should've at least finished his vision.
>it’s not a good movie
It's far from perfect but it's not bad at all. >i don’t get why critics went ham on it
Because it wasn't marvel, disney has been paying youtubers and "journalists" to boost their relevancy ever since phase 2.
it’s not a good movie but i don’t get why critics went ham on it and caused it to sit at a 27% on rotten tomatoes. i’ve seen way worse capeflicks.
I'm convinced people decided to hate it the moment Affleck was cast based on Daredevil. It has some great moments and it's no more contrived or dumber than civil war or any top ranked MCU shit.
I think a lot of that is it's hard to place him. He did the rounds in comedies, rom comes, action, capeshit, and drama. He's been awful and pretty good in projects all over.
>I'm convinced people decided to hate it the moment Affleck was cast based on Daredevil.
Maybe morons. It was over ten years ago when he was cast but I remember it all vividly. There were a lot of people flipping their shit but the discourse was mostly ranging from “I don’t personally see it” to “This might work, let’s see” and then most of the naysayers shut the frick up as soon as the picture of him standing in front of the Batmobile came out, where most people went to being excited for him. Gal Gadot being skinny with no boobs and Jesse Eisenberg were way more controversial. >It has some great moments and it's no more contrived or dumber than Civil War or any top ranked MCU shit
Yes, it absolutely is. Civil War didn’t have scenes that literally stop the movie and disrupt the story to set up future movies that ended up never happening (knightmare) and Doomsday being tacked on was fricking moronic, I don’t care whatever Christ allegory you guys come up with for that.
That’s fine. But it’s still a technically competent movie that isn’t a discombobulated mess.
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It isn't a competent movie at all and it is a mess. The MCU fans just ignore the mess because it is another Happy Meal and it got all their favorite characters.
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>Happy Meal
You watched Snyders last commentary, didn't you?
Snyder drones are are so pathetically easy to read.
Based on what I've seen, people tend to rate this Batman smack dab in the middle. The census is that there were some good aspects (warehouse fight, general portrayal of Bruce Wayne) but that he wasn't utilized to his full potential. Doesn't help that his solo movie got canned and his last appearance was in the Flash.
Batman here and in Snyder's movies is different. Both are based on Miller's version but in the Flash he was more of a post-TDKR Batman.
He's comparable to Clooney in this flick.
I feel like Snyder wanted a Batman similar to the one in "Damned" but WB didn't allow him to be that edgy. Or maybe I'm off the mark.
But TDKR Batman is ultimately superior to BvS Batman despite them being similar.
Because he is. If you compare him to, say, Arthur Fleck, Arthur is pushed to the brink of sanity by society and is a byproduct of bad luck. Killing Murray is like a cathartic emotional experience to him.
Meanwhile this Joker just kills Conan O'Brien because it's fun. And he's nonchalant about it because he has gotten that "high" so many times he's desensitized to it.
Affleck has never been a good actor and he's only passable in BvS and some of the snyder cut of JL. Capeshitters and pajeets literally don't know the difference between stuff like acting and suit design anyway.
One overly-choreographed scene in the warehouse scene is this Batmans biggest highlight and that was aa stuntman
The DCU is kind of shit in general but his Batman was not that bad once you identify dark knight return and flashpoint as the main inspiration sources.
he was fine. scripts and movies dog water. good look and voice for older bruce and batman. shame he yells martha and mopes while murdering people for snyder.
Ben did fine and was believable with the role. Had he had one standalone film as Batman, same as Gadot got, same as Cavill got, same as Momoa got, same as Miller got, instead of being just another piece in an ensemble cast or having to share the screen with Superman, and was given a chance to establish himself as both Bruce Wayne and Batman in a movie reminiscent but far enough away from The Dark Knight trilogy where he takes on one of the many villains he could have fought to gauge whether or not he was suitable for the role, THEN we would have been able to give him a fair assessment against Keaton, Kilmer, Bale and the like. Ben was never given the chance to show what it is that he could have brought to the table. A standalone Ben Affleck Batman movie is something that we were all robbed of and it would have made dimes fall from the heavens.
I bet you anything that if Affleck got greenlit for a solo Batman movie, it would knock every other film that summer out of the park.
>ben affleck cant act
and i heard bears shit in the woods too
Yeah but he's so handsome and tall and buff and better than everyone else so lets just all not pretend that he's a fricking moronic butthole
>butthole
back to resetera now
He was only good in BvS. He looked bloated as shit and half asleep in every other film.
he looked normal in the ZSJL scenes that were clearly shot in 2016. the stuff snyder shot in 2020 for the knightmare/martian manhunter ending, he looks malnourished. in josstice league, he’s bloated and puffy and red. in the flash, he looks like a terminally ill cancer patient.
The fact that we're talking about 3 different shoots with a multi-year gap and 2 different directors all for the same film is just kind of insane when you think about it.
We've discussed the failure of the DCEU so much the madness has lost some of its shock value. But they seriously took the pivotal film of their entire cinematic universe, hired somebody who was the complete tonal and aesthetic opposite of the original director to reshoot the vast majority of it despite the fact that their Superman actor would need his face conspicuously CGI'd over in every new scene. And then they got thoroughly humiliated when the guy they fired recut the movie again and made a version everyone agrees was better than the one they'd basically doubled their production budget to produce. And they would have split that film in half and released it theatrically as 2 films. They spent twice as much to make half as much. When you factor in the collateral damage from the DCEU basically being a lame duck franchise with multiple DOA films being shat out after the thing was already announced as dead, the opportunity cost is in the billions. Just fricking staggering
i’m concerned for safran and gunn’s DCU. you just know the first thing that ends up flopping, warners is going to do what they always do and panic and blow a shitton of money to frick everything up again. time’s a flat circle.
>DC fans
They don't exist.
OH THANK GOD I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY
Anywhere I went, even here, people are always sucking Batflecks wiener, saying he's the best/truest/sexiest Batman that has ever been on film. HE SUCKS ASS. For the longest time I thought it was just me. Its good to know there are others out there.
>random poll proves my point
>Anywhere I went, even here
people that frequent these threads are considered mentally ill among the mentally ill though, they're not representative of Cinemaphile
Same here. Hes a dog shit Batman. He has 0 presence and looks asleep and out of shape and is a whiny baby to wonder woman in justice league. There's nothing threatening about batfleck. The suit looks dumb as hell because there's nothing aerobic about it. It's just a suit of armor. Ugly fat logo.
Martha scene was stupid but that's the writers fault
>aerobic
Looks better than whatever the frick Robert Pattinson wore.
Pattinson's suit was very Lee Bermejo and Scott Hampton.
I dig it.
Everytime I see this picture of Batfleck, my first thought is the Nostlagia Critic in his Batman costume.
he was terrible, but the material he was given was complete dogshit, i'd be depressed too if i was forced to play old batman with no film setup and barely any lines. The script was a trainwreck, the movie should never have been made, BM VS S should have been a 3+ movie setup and much more drawn out.
Also the villains were dogshit.
>i'd be depressed too if i was forced to play old batman with no film setup and barely any lines.
Fricking idiot.
Ben Affleck played Batman precisely because the role was different from anything else done previously.
Did Taken, with Lian Neeson also need any film setup? Or John Wick with Keanu Reeves?
MCU fricking brainrot.
>agreeing to take a role = liking the final script when its given to you
what kind of morono-world are you stuck in gay?
he liked the PREMISE, the sell that Snyder told him, the reality of the crappy script, crappy plot and hyperspeed pacing of the film was the problem that left him bitter about his now-shitty role.
YOU DOUBLE Black person, Ben Affleck brought his screenwriter pal from the movie Argo, Chris Terio, to rewrite the BvS script. Affleck even helped rewrite parts of the script. The final movie was something that Affleck was 100% onboard.
Ben Affleck is one of Zack Snyder's biggest supporters. He even introduce Snyder to Islam.
no wonder he was soo depressed kek, all that effort for a shit film.
You cant polish a turd, just ask JJ Abrams on him making the third nu-wars film. Him bringing in a writer doesnt save anyone from the fact that you can't make a DC-Avengers film with 0 buildup, introducing a host of new heroes, AND giving them shitty villains to fight against.
He was a victim of the directors in every movie. He wasn't supposed to come out of nowhere and beat the shit out of superman in a superman movie. Fans absolutely hated that. Then in the rest of them they tried to dial it back and make him "lose" but it was too late...plus, he functioned more as a macguffin in the plots than anything else. Didn't do any detective work or even act like Batman.
Shut the frick up, you idiot. Every time Superman and Batman meet they fight. There have been several reboots in comics, and it is always the same thing.
What does that have to do with what I posted you goddamn ESL pajeet?
performance-wise; he did what he could. it’s just like andrew garfield’s spider-man. both could’ve been the best if they weren’t given such shit material.
Looks/acting wise he was great, just poorly directed/written
yeah exactly
Ben war best batmen dammat
Yes sirs been affleck man of bat is the needful
>americans
opinion discarded
Ben was the best Batman and anyone who ranks anyone but Bale or Keaton higher is moronic.
>b-b-but Kevin Conroy!
Voice actors don't count.
Dumb because the Batman parts of BvS were the best in the movie and the warehouse scene stacks up to any.
>Fatman shooting enough munition to destroy a small country inside Gotham
>that car that got reduced to small portion of scrap because it was shot like a quintillion times
>Fatman training like an idiot after the terrorist explosion
>MARTHA? WHY DID YOU SAY THAT?
He had the most potential out of everyone
All I know is seeing Affleck is the first time I actually felt like Bruce Wayne was on the screen. Keaton and Bale did great with the role but Affleck was just born to play Batman. If he was in a better movie this would barely even be a debate.
Really? I thought he was fine, certainly better than Clooney's Batman.
George Clooney is so bad people routinely forget he was Batman
Nah. More people forget Val Kilmer. Even you
Van Kilmer was a fine Batman.
I really like his portrayal. Wish we had more serious villains for his film though. At least Two-Face.
Better than Clooney
This poll doesn't even exist, I looked for it. Only sauce of it is the same Instagram account that spread that fake headline about Isabella Merced blaming men for the failure of Madame Web.
>Isabella Merced blaming men for the failure of Madame Web.
She did what?! Never giving any money to her ever again.
snydersirs…
I liked BvS and it makes me happy to see people that truly appreciate it on Cinemaphile, makes it seem like the site isn't entirely lost to zoomers and shills
it’s not a good movie but i don’t get why critics went ham on it and caused it to sit at a 27% on rotten tomatoes. i’ve seen way worse capeflicks.
Because of MUH TRUMP.
>it’s not a good movie
It's far from perfect but it's not bad at all.
>i don’t get why critics went ham on it
Because it wasn't marvel, disney has been paying youtubers and "journalists" to boost their relevancy ever since phase 2.
It's not a perfect trilogy but I still liked it for the most part. ZSJL was a clear improvement over the JossTice League and Snyder should've at least finished his vision.
i’m satisfied with ZSJL but i’m thankful the sequels he planned aren’t getting made. They sounded like a complete dumpster fire.
I'm convinced people decided to hate it the moment Affleck was cast based on Daredevil. It has some great moments and it's no more contrived or dumber than civil war or any top ranked MCU shit.
Yeah there is this notion that Affleck is a bad actor.
I think a lot of that is it's hard to place him. He did the rounds in comedies, rom comes, action, capeshit, and drama. He's been awful and pretty good in projects all over.
>I'm convinced people decided to hate it the moment Affleck was cast based on Daredevil.
Maybe morons. It was over ten years ago when he was cast but I remember it all vividly. There were a lot of people flipping their shit but the discourse was mostly ranging from “I don’t personally see it” to “This might work, let’s see” and then most of the naysayers shut the frick up as soon as the picture of him standing in front of the Batmobile came out, where most people went to being excited for him. Gal Gadot being skinny with no boobs and Jesse Eisenberg were way more controversial.
>It has some great moments and it's no more contrived or dumber than Civil War or any top ranked MCU shit
Yes, it absolutely is. Civil War didn’t have scenes that literally stop the movie and disrupt the story to set up future movies that ended up never happening (knightmare) and Doomsday being tacked on was fricking moronic, I don’t care whatever Christ allegory you guys come up with for that.
Civil War fricking sucked, pal.
Nah, it was great and blew BvS out of the water.
No, it wasn't. It was gay and moronic.
Is that image meant to make both look moronic?
That’s fine. But it’s still a technically competent movie that isn’t a discombobulated mess.
It isn't a competent movie at all and it is a mess. The MCU fans just ignore the mess because it is another Happy Meal and it got all their favorite characters.
>Happy Meal
You watched Snyders last commentary, didn't you?
Snyder drones are are so pathetically easy to read.
still better than dawn of justice
I like DC
Meant m for
Based on what I've seen, people tend to rate this Batman smack dab in the middle. The census is that there were some good aspects (warehouse fight, general portrayal of Bruce Wayne) but that he wasn't utilized to his full potential. Doesn't help that his solo movie got canned and his last appearance was in the Flash.
Clooney was worse. Affleck was standard. The movies sucked but not really his fault.
The movies only suck if you're guy. Not even joking. Are you gay, anon?
Yes anon, I am a guy.
Are you by any chance a girl?
I knew you were gay. Explains you not liking those movies.
OK, Sally. Whatever you say.
True.
Affleck can't become another person. Everytime he was osncreen I saw Ben Affleck, not Bruce Wayne.
Keaton and Pattinson reign supreme.
Batman here and in Snyder's movies is different. Both are based on Miller's version but in the Flash he was more of a post-TDKR Batman.
He's comparable to Clooney in this flick.
I feel like Snyder wanted a Batman similar to the one in "Damned" but WB didn't allow him to be that edgy. Or maybe I'm off the mark.
But TDKR Batman is ultimately superior to BvS Batman despite them being similar.
There's something about TDKR Batman that can only be done right in animated form.
this flick has my favorite joker portrayal of them all
subtle but potent and menacing, feels like an actual psycho
Because he is. If you compare him to, say, Arthur Fleck, Arthur is pushed to the brink of sanity by society and is a byproduct of bad luck. Killing Murray is like a cathartic emotional experience to him.
Meanwhile this Joker just kills Conan O'Brien because it's fun. And he's nonchalant about it because he has gotten that "high" so many times he's desensitized to it.
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The funny thing is that the guy that worked as a director for the animated adaptation of TDKR also worked on BvS.
Such nuances can aid the project but it's ultimately Snyder in the driver's seat and it shows.
That scene was fricking awful, to the point i wished he hadn't agreed to come back.
this was the most mcu-like version of batman but it didn't work well, especially not after snyder
He's great in Snyder Cut though the voice modulator is terrible. He's a good Bruce Wayne in The Flash
Affleck has never been a good actor and he's only passable in BvS and some of the snyder cut of JL. Capeshitters and pajeets literally don't know the difference between stuff like acting and suit design anyway.
One overly-choreographed scene in the warehouse scene is this Batmans biggest highlight and that was aa stuntman
The DCU is kind of shit in general but his Batman was not that bad once you identify dark knight return and flashpoint as the main inspiration sources.
Miller’s TDKR is overrated and Flashpoint was a terrible comic
nope
You don’t want to debate with me about this. You will lose.
it's not a debate
Snyder coped and seethed on the latest JRE when Rogan told him Bale was a better batman. Literally coped and seethed.
Oh come on, Val Kilmer and George Clooney were way worse
Sexiest batman by far
I'll forever be curious about how his solo movie would've turned out because he's not a bad director
Said noone.
he was fine. scripts and movies dog water. good look and voice for older bruce and batman. shame he yells martha and mopes while murdering people for snyder.
Bloody bastards
Batfleck was the best batman since Adam West. Simple as. Obviously these DC fans they polled lack media literacy.
Ben did fine and was believable with the role. Had he had one standalone film as Batman, same as Gadot got, same as Cavill got, same as Momoa got, same as Miller got, instead of being just another piece in an ensemble cast or having to share the screen with Superman, and was given a chance to establish himself as both Bruce Wayne and Batman in a movie reminiscent but far enough away from The Dark Knight trilogy where he takes on one of the many villains he could have fought to gauge whether or not he was suitable for the role, THEN we would have been able to give him a fair assessment against Keaton, Kilmer, Bale and the like. Ben was never given the chance to show what it is that he could have brought to the table. A standalone Ben Affleck Batman movie is something that we were all robbed of and it would have made dimes fall from the heavens.
I bet you anything that if Affleck got greenlit for a solo Batman movie, it would knock every other film that summer out of the park.