What would a Marvel universe with reversed morality between the heroes and villains look like?
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What would a Marvel universe with reversed morality between the heroes and villains look like?
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AXIS
Ultimate Marvel
I was kinda surprised to find out recently that, at the time, this wasn't just a usual "lmao, French or pussies" jab. Rather, this panel was apparently driven by some disagreement between US and France during the early 2000s, that has now been all but forgotten. Weird shit.
>all but forgotten
I will never forget Freedom Fries, dammit!
It happened because France rejected the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and threatened to veto the proposal of the invasion in the UN. It was the same incident that made the cafeterias in the Congress rename french fries to freedom fries.
Is that Deadpool a villain or hero? Or is he exactly the same.
He's a zen monk.
stupid and gimmicky
>Hank Pym tries really hard to be biggest villain
>His biggest invention backfires and becomes a Superhero
Would the inverse of Janet be a villainous who instead of pushing away‚ accidentally makes her fall for him instead?
Mmm... yeah then this
happens and Ultron is their robot son that ends up liking humans
I'd read the shit out of that. Especially if you have Janet slowly fall for Hank over his unintentional heroic behavior.
I played a character almost exactly like that for a Mutants & Masterminds game, where a robot created for destruction and conquest logiced its way through the prisoner's dilemma and decided that behaving heroically was the better option before applying to join a super-team.
Ant-Lord and Wasp Queen are a happily married power couple ruling Subterranea with an iron fist of giant ants and robots. Hank spends most of his time creating monsters, while Jan has fun using them to invade the surface for pure pageantry and drama.
>Ant-Lord tries to be a despot but keeps giving into impulses that make him a benevolent ruler
I would've went with Queen Bee. Janet's usually the perky fashion designer so making her an Alpha b***h Mean Girl seems like a good juxtaposition for her evil counterpart, and there's no better descriptor then "Queen Bee" for those types of women.
Earth 3 Reed Richards is just Professor Impossible
Honestly most guild villains are just evil marvel characters
the same fricking thing
Namor is exactly the same.
And Doom is just Doom 2099
Good takes? On my /co?
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Can someone tell me about the OP image?Like is it from AXIS?
What about Heroes turn villains and villains becoming Heroes and people who change on a regular basis like Magneto?
Evil Cap is called "The Amerikan"; he's a communist and uses the red "Anarchy A" as his logo
Evil Thor would abandon Mjolnir for the All-Black, taking on the name Chernobog
Evil Hawkeye would be a mob hitman
Evil version of Black Panther would be a white guy from Apartheid-era South Africa
>Evil Cap is called "The Amerikan"; he's a communist and uses the red "Anarchy A" as his logo
Holy shit, moronic off the bat.
Why pretend that Marvel wouldn't do something like that?
>he represents a form of totalitarian government, he uses a symbol representing no government
Because they're bad writers, not morons
>Evil Hawkeye is just Bullseye
>Good Bullseye is a schizo Ultimate Hawkeye
>Evil Hawkeye is just Bullseye
An Evil Hawkeye should play up him being a carnie. He'd be a deceitful, untrustworthy carnie who's always looking for suckers to screw over.
"Jesus Clint, actual ducks in the shooting gallery?"
Communism isn’t the same thing as anarchy
If you want him to be communism man there are better symbols
Also fascism is the opposite of democracy, communism is like democracy’s whacky cousin
I was also envisioning him being somewhat of a parody of America's own poor grasp of authoritarianism and blanket-branding every non-democratic ideology as communism
>taking on the name Chernobog
That's an already existing slavic god.
And what is Thor?
Thor is Germanic, but the Germanic pantheon has no male underworld deity, and Hela already exists as Goddess in the comics
>communist
>anarchist
Those are about as incompatible as it gets.
He should also be fascist to complete the trinity of stupidity
Make him a Anarcho-Communazi
>You think this swastika on my head stands for peace?!
>the super soldier serum gave him irreversible brain damage
>Doctor, it's not the serum, it's onions!
Since this is suppose to be like "Earth-3", I'd assume that an evil Cap would be a hyper-nationalist who loves shedding the blood of whomever Evil America has deemed it's enemies this year and oppressing those we culturally consider our lessers.
Evil Cap would topple the government and take power for himself, because he views himself as America incarnated. He wouldn't go full white supremacist, but rather have very twisted views on America stemming out of the 1950s and the american dream.
He'd essentially be a combo between Armstrong from MGS and John Henry Eden from Fallout. And the Avengers would be his enforcers.
>Armstrong Cap vs President Xavier on the S.H.A.D.O.W. Helicarrier
I feel like there's often too much moral ambiguity out there for a lot of Marvel's villains for this to be exciting. They've already flipped and flopped back in forth in universe a ton of times.
I do want to see
>Frank Castle is an unabashed cop killer and has a pretty strong support group for it, with people wearing his logo everywhere
I like cops, but it would be an interesting take.
Frank irrationally blames first responders for not saving his family from something and targets people who are regarded as heroes (falsely, in his mind) like police officers, firefighters, EMTs, etc.
He's basically the bad guy from Backdraft
Would make sense if he was a career criminal who's family got smoked during a botched raid or something, or maybe they became estranged and put into WP and he just goes batshit over that,
Earth 3 Spider-Man would be a superpowered mercenary who doesn't care about collateral damage and will happily throw anyone he can under the bus if it means he can get away with avoiding the responsibility for his own messes and frick-ups
So pretty much Taskmaster, I think
He started off wanting to help people but Aunt May's death due to bureaucratic nonsense made him loss faith in society.
Daredevil would pretty much be his Spider-Gwen version, with a bit of Shadowland.
>Matt Murdock at first struggles with morality as he trains to become an engine of justice... He finds that justice is so named by those who administer it. And so it was al grew to beware The Devil of Hell's Kitchen, for he blind as lady justice, and crushes those who oppose him with a million crimson hands.
Matt Murdock
is
The Devil's Advocate!
>The advance of the Empire of Wakanda across the continent of Africa is halted only by the actions of their banished Jabari tribe, using their ancient methods and godly blessings to slow the ever grasping claws of the Black Panther
>Tony Stark's "Iron Man Unilimted", a privatized army of soldiers and superhumans in armored war machines, expands in the wake of Genosha's victory against the Government funded "Sentinel" program. Mr. Stark claims that his forces will operate as a peacekeepers as they maintain the blockade around the small island nation and its mutant population.
imagine Galactus goes around the universe vomiting new planets while the Silver Surfer follows behind killing any that have intelligent life
That was more or less the premise of an Exiles two-parter.
I'd imagine it's more Galactus goes around taking in Space Refugees after Silver Surfer rampages through. Have it so he tried to save Surfer's home planet and empowering him in the process. After their failure a bitter Surfer wonders the stars kicking over anthills. Or maybe even go full anti- and have him start as a hero and the Evil Fantastic Four basically tell him "Don't you just want to go apeshit sometimes?"
Maybe Galactus is more of a God figure since he was inspired by God but as a supervillain.
Devouring black holes or unstable stars for energy and then granting paradise to the survivors of calamity while blessing heroes around the universe with fragments of his power to act as defenders of their worlds
Hello, we’re the Phalanx, a robotic hivemind species built to uplift other worlds and support other species in their own development.
>Professor Charles Xavier. Once a kind and respectable humanitarian, his inner psyche was forever corrupted after a fateful trek into the darkest depths of the Astral plane
>now dubbing himself Emperor X, Charles seeks to bring about a New Dawn of humanity by forcibly replacing the human populace with his brainwashed army of “X-Men”
>his only opposition are the horsemen of Apocalypse, five mutants with attitude chosen by the ancient sorcerer, En Sabah Nur, and bestowed with his power to fight for humanity’s future
>Another thorn in Emperor X's side is former collegue and friend Magneto
>Force by the Elders of Zion to kill other German children during WWII, Magneto sought to gain redemption through working with Xavier
>When Xavier was corrupted, Magneto created The Brotherhood of Mutants to combat the dreaded X-Men to save humanity and provide a safe place of mutant opposed to Emperor X's Extermination Agenda
So did this Emma Frost just remain as a shy, mousy, brunette into adulthood?
So you're saying black Captain America is evil?
During the Axis event he was surprisingly the most based Falcon has ever been.
The X-Men would be praised as Heroes
Spider-Man would be Evil Reed's Protege
M2 universe had one which was used to explain why most of the avengers and other older heroes fricked off.
A friend and I came up with a similar concept for fun. Our version of the X-men basically believed that the only way peace between mutants and humans could happen would be if humanity was culled to a more ''acceptable level'' and they ruled the survivors. Our version of the Brotherhood meanwhile wanted to uplift both human and mutantkind, creating a utopia that combines the best of both species.
Life in Latveria is hard, but it's one of the safest places on Earth, at least when Doom isn't trying out another experiment to depower his four former friends because he feels guilty for all the havoc and evil they're responsible for
>Toad is a genuine hero of the Brotherhood, is a well respected by the mutant community, and acts as Magneto's second in command
>The Scarlet Witch is his creepy ass stalker, and suffers from an inferiority complex towards her twin brother as he's Magneto's favorite this time around, eventually causes a mutant overpopulation crisis
Evil Superior Spoderman, Marvel Ruins Professor X but the Xmen are his army of mutant child soldiers, Captain Nazi, Pagan Daredevil, Deadpool is just the old psycho deadpool who locked Weasel in a deathtrap and threatened Al, Magneto is a freedom fighter, Doctor Doom is the leader of the free world, the U.S do America shit armed with Stark technology, Baron Zemo isna philantropist, Sabretooth and Wolverine switch roles entirely, Cyclops is evil i guess, Namor is the same, Thanos looks like an Eternal in a world of Deviants, Kree are good guys, Skrull are good guys, etc.
Good, except you dropped the ball on Daredevil:
>I wear these horns for Cernunnos
>You've molested women and broken the peace of Awnns Kitchen
>Now you must die.
...and that's a bad guy?
Ok what if he's Kingpin but he wears a devil hat and leader of a pagan ninja clan or something.
This is more like it! Just switch the devil hat for Japanese demon mask (kabuto for weebs, IIRC).
Ok, but get this,
What if he's Matthew "Fat" Murdock, the Devil of Hell's Kitchen
>All the vice...
>All these slums...
>Drug-dealers on the corner...
>They all belonged to him, the Devil of Hell's Kitchen!
>Never showing his face, only known for his enormous mass, Matthew Murdock is the new leader of hand ninja clan.
>With their muscle and his ruthless brain, he has taken over NYCs criminal underworld.
>From Hell's Kitchen he came and he brought Hell with him.
I love the idea of Ruins' President X.
Same here. Especially the dungeon for any mutants who won’t follow him
Evil Stark has an army of Iron Man goons. He doesn't suit up himself until the enemy is on his doorstep.
Evil Reed has no powers of his own, but keeps the other Fantastic Four members locked in tubes where he siphons their powers to make himself powerful, an amalgam of all the FF like Super Skrull was.
Gwen Pool was well-known, popular, and beloved in the wacky comic book world, but hated it and left it for the bland real world, where she just wants to be ignored and left alone while living her new dull life while avoiding her brother who wants her to reject normalcy and embrace fantasy.
>Gwen leaves her world for 616
>Gwen 3 immediately takes her place
And her parents are none the wiser
i miss axis and butthole anti-villain creed
>Spider-Man is a super privileged butthole who grew up raised by his uncle Ben, who in this timeline was a mob enforcer
>All power, no responsibility
>Peter and Ben work together after Peter gets bitten by the spider
>BUT eventually, Peter betrays Ben and kills him
>Peter becomes a complete menace, because no matter how hard the heroes of this world try, they can't defeat him
>Reluctantly marries Mary Jane Watson, a gold digger in this timeline who blackmails him constantly
>Bonds himself to a space entity, forcing the good-natured symbiotic alien to watch in terror as he robs, murders and does all sorts of nasty things
>Sacrificed his Aunt May to the Mephisto in a deal to make everyone forget his identity once he got exposed publicly
Now this is One More Day rehash that I can actually get behind!
>The Punisher
>Maria Castle, the sole survivor of a family picnic that caught in the crossfire of a gang war between Murdock's organization and another crime family
>driven by grief, and pointed as a weapon at Murdock's enemies, the woman has taken her deceased husband's remnant arsenal as her own