It's really embarrasing. But this is what happens when a character is controlled by a corporation. Spider-Man isn't an individual creation anymore. He can be and has been written by tons of different people with different viewpoints. That's it. That's all this is. If you don't like how he's written then you simply disagree with the writer. That's all.
yeah I really don't get how anyone can follow this stuff
when the original creator dies, the character also dies
everything else is just sanctioned fanfiction
like all the spidermen created after lee and ditko are all just oc's based off of spiderman
You sound like a zoomer praising the prequel trilogy just to spite Rey.
Which is not to say the sequel trilogy or Miles are good, but goddamn man defending shit just because it's earlier just makes you sound moronic.
prequels are interesting, terrible b-movies (b-movies being better than the schlock at cannes) and you've made a false equivalence between two unrelated things
Fanedits have proven that the story and characters are fine, but needed more time in the editing room. Hal9000's edits are basically the same movies, but polished up. Literally remove the crap, some trims to fix the pacing, add the plot-important deleted scenes in and you have legit good movies.
>This name
No, HIS OWN NAME. He's celebrity, not a jersey number. You don't have two fricking Michael Jordans or two Jason Stathams or Hugh Jackmans, you just have one. I'm sure someone else can post one of the several pics of Spidey hating it when people crib his name, but this shit is so stupid and why people dislike Miles.
Clone Saga 2009 and Ultimate Clone Saga are kino. Life Story Clone Saga... eh.
It’s hilarious that the exact same reasons people hated the clone saga for trying to replace Peter, they will bend over backwards to justify with Miles
It would be nice if they EVER bothered to write a story where miles proved himself to pete as his own person in general beyond the claim to the name. You know if miles had some sort of justification outside of the meta reasons for his claim to the name.
I kinda feel bad, this costume is just a flat out worse version of maydays . These would’ve premiered at roughly the same time right?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Mayday came first by a few years, and the costume came even earlier since it was Ben's first
1 month ago
Anonymous
>I kinda feel bad, this costume is just a flat out worse version of maydays . These would’ve premiered at roughly the same time right?
Mattie's lack of a good costume was sort of a running gag though her solo run. She had a new costume every issue for a while. None of them really stuck though.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The last two look okay.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Remember kids, direct correlation between a spider-woman's costume and her popularity. Full masks only, domino masks and half masks never.
you can either be prideful and want to hog your identity to yourself out of ego or be a total whiney b***h soapboxing about how "hard" your identity is and how your life is totally harder than everyone else's. Self-Inserters want both because they wanna live an escapist wish fulfilment powerfantasy but also be self-pitying b***hes acting like they're always the victim.
But no matter how much you want both you can't be both, without being completely delusional at least.
almost as much as MJ is enjoying Paul's hairy brown wiener in her throat
1 month ago
Anonymous
Paul doesn't have a penis
1 month ago
Anonymous
he does though. That's why in the comic you literally see MJ wake up in the morning next to him and they're both naked. They be fricking all night long
1 month ago
Anonymous
>still rolling with the paul shtick two years later
lmaoing at your life rn
>hog your identity to yourself
You have every right hog your Identity. It's YOURS. The only reason why someone even wants to take is the hard work and creativity that made it valuable in the first place.
Only a soulless parasite would rather steal someone elese's identity than put in the effort to build up their own.
only a delusional blubbering manbaby who doesn't even have it that hard in reality would cry and cry and cry all day how "bad" their secret life is and how they hate it and don't want it and wish someone else could possibly handle the "burden" of it, then as soon as someone else does exactly that with no problem they get butthurt and demand they give it back and it can only be him.
Like a spoiled child not playing with their dollhouse then throwing it down the stairs if the parent threatens to give it to their cousin.
The idea is responsibility being a burden you're trying to live up to but wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. Of course moron milesgays can't see past the mask so they CLING to the delusion that spidey is a mere mask when it's an aspect of Peter's own values and identity as a human being.
Even an ESL like me can see that. And idk about this self-insert stuff you're talking about, but is it so hard to conceptualize a character that shares certain values with your own core morals and beliefs
1 month ago
Anonymous
Well it’s certainly not a “burden you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy” to Miles or any of the other Spiders, so it’s definitely not that you or petey want to spare them hardship by acting like only you could ever be spiderman, so seems you and petey are just blubbering sensitive gays wailing like babies that noone is allowed to be spiderman but you out of insecurity and inflated ego
And I already knew peter self-inserters are esls
1 month ago
Anonymous
Miles love white wiener
1 month ago
Anonymous
You're literally acting like an angry child right now and getting personal because there's people ITT who don't like Miles. Get a grip, homosexual.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>to Miles or any of the other Spiders
None of whom have ever gone through half the shit Peter has gone through, outside his own clones. Not one of them.
Clones which have their own misgivings about that inherited identity and had to come to terms with the responsibility thereof, and how they never had a choice but were instead literally bred to fit that mold and accept it. Clones like Ben, who came to accept and appreciate it, or Kaine, who resents that he cannot and does not want to refuse it, or Spider-Cide, who hates it outright.
Eat shit, you're a ranting shitter with no real appreciation for the character and a tourist trying to talk down to people who actually love the character.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Well it’s certainly not a “burden you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy” to Miles or any of the other Spiders
Let's see. Miguel's a megalomaniac who thinks spider Gibbs is a mistake and ghost b***h is avoiding any sense of responsibility through hopping dimensions. Ben Riley who is the literal clone of Peter didn't want anything to do with it for the long haul. But enough about secondary characters and let's see deconstruct miles for a change, The quantum superposition and cognitive dissonance of what Spider-Man is when it comes to Miles goes like this >Peter Parker is Spider-Man >but Miles can also be Spider-Man because everyone can be Spider-Man >as proof here are all these other characters who are Spider-Man like Spider-Punk, Scarlet Spider, Spider-Woman, Spider-Byte etc >"but all of them have their own names that are not Spider-Man, why can't Miles" >because that would be making him lesser than Peter who is Spider-Man
So the proof that everyone can be Spider-Man and that Miles should be named Spider-Man are.. the characters who are, according to their logic, lesser Spider-Men and aren't named Spider-Man >so it’s definitely not that you or petey want to spare them hardship by acting like only you could ever be spiderman, so seems you and petey are just blubbering sensitive gays wailing like babies that noone is allowed to be spiderman but you out of insecurity and inflated ego
Too much ad-hominem for it to be anything but what you accusing me of. But let's see who really wants to be Spider-Man. Peter uncle dies. So does miles uncle. Peter got a sister. so does miles. Peter makes a pact with the devil. There goes miles. Peter love is Gwen. Guess who's jumping dimensional hoops to copy him. Like usual miles gays projecting their securities.
I'm not a self insert, people can't share commonalities and values doesn't mean I literally want to be my neighbour or live in his house. That and the fact I normally self insert as electro or sandman
Secondary spotted. Peter ALWAYS has a sense of pride about Spidey because it was what HE was doing. He fought hard and suffered while trying to do the right thing and when people come along to parasite off his own efforts, he was rightly annoyed.
>non canon alt universe where he's already retired
>non canon >Except it's literally a future timeline version of the main timeline with the exact same Peter up to the point of his daughter being born
Fricking goombah
Oh piss right off you disingenuous freak.
But you stack a character's history of being annoyed and intolerant of accepting copycats and imposters and then suddenly he's alright with one, that's bad writing. And the only reason he isn't allowed to have a problem with it is because they use Miles' race as a shield, and black anons like me fricking hate that shit.
Keep tossing that self insert thing around like it actually means something.
Get fricked by a dolphin. MC2 Peter is the same as Peter, the same beginning, the same person. Only difference is his life diverged from 616 Peter's, but his stance on Spider-Man was this too, because they share the same past
It would be nice if they EVER bothered to write a story where miles proved himself to pete as his own person in general beyond the claim to the name. You know if miles had some sort of justification outside of the meta reasons for his claim to the name.
Yes, every single time. If someone else can take up the mantle and do the job properly, he'd give it up in a heartbeat. Sorry to burst your Mary Sue bubble.
Read up any story where Spider-Man contemplates quitting.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah and how do all of those stories end?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Peter going back to being Spider-Man because no one else can do it. Miles can do it now, so it makes sense that Peter would lay off the responsibility. Do you get it now, dumb c**t?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>because no one else can do it
Wrong. New York is filled with capes. There isn't a "Spider-Man quota" that needs to be filled, Peter does it out of his own sense of personal responsibility.
It's literally his whole matra
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Peter does it out of his own sense of personal responsibility
Because he believes he's the only one who can do it, a thoroughly immature line of thought that's been explored a hundred times and it always ends up with Peter happily giving up the mantle for future generations.
It's funny that people like you complain about a perpetual teenage Peter in every medium, even though you WANT him to behave like a child.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Because he believes he's the only one who can do it
No. He believes in doing his part. "Not my problem" is literally what caused Uncle Ben to die >With great power there must also come great responsibility, unless someone else can do it then it's not your problem
1 month ago
Anonymous
>He believes in doing his part
And his part should end once he's married, otherwise he's constantly putting his wife and others in danger for a silly self-imposed challenge. It is the opposite of being responsible. This has been explored a thousand times.
Why not just read the recent Ultimate slop if you want a Peter that doesn't give a shit about growing up?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Because he believes he's the only one who can do it
So long as he has power he believes he has responsibility. He'll be out there swinging around even if every confirmed bad guy was permanently taken care of and supers magnitudes stronger then him were on constant patrol
1 month ago
Anonymous
>So long as he has power he believes he has responsibility
Which is an immature as frick position for a married man.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Police men don't have wives or children >Army men don't have wives or children >Fire fighters don't have wives or children
B-b-but that's muh job. No, that's a path career choice. Following your moronic logic no super hero should ever lend a helping hand.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Superheroes should not be directly compared to real life vocations, all superhero adventures amd duties are basically illegal mini wars and a freelance r services
1 month ago
Anonymous
Peter didn't even lay off being Spidey when Ben was Scarlet Spider. Even when he had a child on the way. He has a well documented history of having poor priorities, it's a character flaw.
>because it's half his identity
so it's all just ego to you >he loves being Spider-Man too
and this would be selfishness
Identity is not ego, you utter mong. Identity is his self. It is a part of him, it is IMPORTANT to him. Even when it causes him trouble, he still wants it. That is a flaw in his choices, but Peter was always flawed. He was never perfect. He is not a saint. He is prideful, he makes mistakes, and his life is paved with the consequences of them.
>and this would be selfishness
Oh no, what an unheard of thing for Spider-Man. It's not like he got a kick in the ass from life for being selfish. It's not like his personal life has suffered because he couldn't give up his mantra for his own sake. No, Spider-Man was never selfish at all.
His self-inserter’s wanna have their cake and eat it too. Like
you can either be prideful and want to hog your identity to yourself out of ego or be a total whiney b***h soapboxing about how "hard" your identity is and how your life is totally harder than everyone else's. Self-Inserters want both because they wanna live an escapist wish fulfilment powerfantasy but also be self-pitying b***hes acting like they're always the victim.
But no matter how much you want both you can't be both, without being completely delusional at least.
said, Petercels want Peter to be a powerfantasy beating up every other hero and villain and getting every girl and for no other spiderman to help him save the day, but they also wanna be crying perpetual victims whining that Peter totally has it way harder than everyone else in the world and havinf amazing spiderpowers that make his life a shameless mary sue powerfantasy is totally a “curse” he hates and doesn’t want
They wanna complain and pretend peter has it hard, but don’t want any of the other hundreds of spiders to do anything
>Peter would gladly give up being Spider-Man
seems like he doesn't want to even though Miles is there and MJ is also there.
now MJ is a superhero because she can't be Peter's wife.
>b-but what about gimmick character??
I don't give a shit about editorial mandates. We've all known since the 80s that Peter would gladly quit if someone else can pick up the mantle.
>Peter would gladly give up being Spider-Man,
You worthless fricking tourist. Sure, he would gladly give up spider-man and there's not multiple stories in his various adaptations and long running history that shows how he still wants it and goes back to being Spider-Man because it's half his identity and he loves being Spider-Man too.
Because for Miles it's greed. He thinks he deserves to be Spider-Man as though it's something he's entitled to. Miles is a greedy, entitled ingrate thinking he deserves the name of someone who toiled and suffered for the prestige that Miles believes the name has.
You do realize your picture just proves that Peter wouldn't give up being Spider-Man even when it would benefit him right?
His family needs him, his children need him, yet he's being Spider-Man instead. Selfishness is one thing, but Peter's enjoyment of being Spidey and the power is well documented.
>3rd Panel >could get MJ back if he stopped >still chooses not to stop
Idiot.
1 month ago
Anonymous
ok, idiot. where in those panels Peter said "nobody can be SpiderMan but ME"
1 month ago
Anonymous
>modern Spider-Man book downplays Peter being the actual Spider-Man
Colour me shocked
1 month ago
Anonymous
Oh, so you're moving the goalpost now? Okay then. I thought this was about 'selfishness' and 'ego', but on the new goalpost, the character's history of not wanting people to STEAL HIS IDENTITY to the point he doesn't even want his own CLONES doing it, shows how he feels about that.
Or are you going to tell me that the various examples of his feelings of imposters in this very thread, the ones from the character's history, are somehow invalid to the very storyline that is supposed to represent the character's history?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Pete used to have some actual pride anon
1 month ago
Anonymous
>muh out of context panel will win all the arguments
1 month ago
Anonymous
The context is there's someone cribbing on Spider-Man's schtick. That's literally it. Someone trying to phone in on his deal, and he doesn't like it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
but he likes Miles doing it. there's the difference.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Because they wrote it to be that way. And the purpose of those Spider-Verse movies is to prop up Miles at the expense of Peter, so why should I care the movie says?
1 month ago
Anonymous
The issue with that is he has zero reason to like Miles doing it. He didn't like it when his own clone did it. He didn't like it when his own Daughter did it. He didn't like it when Mattie Franklin did it, or the Spider-Women did it, or the MVPs did it. He doesn't even like Bailey doing it because Bailey is too young, as if Miles wasn't. Peter has every reason to not want Miles to not copy him and zero reason to like it.
The only reason he's written as not having issue with it is because Miles is black, and any and everyone who calls them out on using that as a shield is a racist or uncle tom.
>Because they wrote it to be that way
and there it is
according to this thread, THEY wrote Peter as proud of being the only Spider-Man and wanting to hog the title (explicit examples of which still have to be delivered) and THEY wrote Peter liking Miles as Spider-Man.
you're here accepting everything they write as gospel yet choosing to believe one over the other. what's your obviously personal problem then?
1 month ago
Anonymous
why they fricked up peter's nose in the children's cartoon?
these far-leftists are so racist.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>you're here accepting everything they write as gospel yet choosing to believe one over the other. what's your obviously personal problem then?
Because one is history built on decades of character writing and the other is a senseless, blatant, and all too convenient heel-face turn in ignorance of that. It's a fricking retcon with absolutely no basis and directly disproven by years of history. Do you not understand that simple fact? >Write a character in a way for their entire existence >suddenly change it to give false credence to another character
1 month ago
Anonymous
>he likes Miles being a good boy spider-man instead of all the dicks that tried to replace him/kill him.
yes I understand that simple fact.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah, so you you got nothing to say to any of my points, okay.
Mayday didn't do that. Ollie Osnick didn't do that. The MVPs didn't do that. Mattie didn't do that. Ben Reilly didn't do that. Gerry Drew didn't do that.
>instead of all the dicks that tried to replace him
Miles demanding he be called Spider-man too isn't trying to replace him? Excuse me? Miles thinking he has a right to be what Peter created for... no reason at all, isn't trying to replace him? So Miles trying to claim Peter's life's work and the name he built from nothing is less of him trying to replace him than any of the other people who never held the opinion that they deserved the name, and instead merely were inspired by Peter and wanted to continue what he started?
The people coming from a place of inspiration are trying to replace Peter more than the kid who's coming from a place of entitlement, is that right?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>yet choosing to believe one over the other.
One's pre-OMD, one's post-OMD
There is not conflict. There is no contradiction. There is only acceptance of OMD's destruction of Spider-man.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The issue with that is he has zero reason to like Miles doing it. He didn't like it when his own clone did it. He didn't like it when his own Daughter did it. He didn't like it when Mattie Franklin did it, or the Spider-Women did it, or the MVPs did it. He doesn't even like Bailey doing it because Bailey is too young, as if Miles wasn't. Peter has every reason to not want Miles to not copy him and zero reason to like it.
The only reason he's written as not having issue with it is because Miles is black, and any and everyone who calls them out on using that as a shield is a racist or uncle tom.
1 month ago
Anonymous
...And the black spider-woman
...And Gerry Drew
...And Venom
...And Ollie Osnick
No. Even in the two animated Spider-Verse movies, it basically devolves into shilling Miles and how great and totally valid as Spider-Man he is... while still giving him nothing of his own and continuing the trend of him just being "black Spider-Man."
No, they have to constantly tell their audience how cool and special he is because they're incapable of actually making him interesting. Despite how many moronic power ups they give him like the laser sword, the laser beams, and being able to outright fly. And no one still gives a shit about him because he has no identity outside of Spider-Man but black.
If characters are being cringe, explaining why it makes sense for them to be cringe just kicks the can down the road to "then why did you write them so that this would naturally follow?"
It’s indicative of the lack of relationship between the characters. Miles in the enforcement that the brand in more important than the character, not the other way around
I read this, I remember this... were they relevant to anything or just there? I don't remember them doing anything... but I don't remember much of it, I was reading an isekai ln about a guy pretending to be a power ranger in a magic-n-monsters world and that was more entertaining than the comic, so... yea, what happened with them?
Been a few year since a comic made me genuinely cringe. Frick, that is embarrassing.
The real problem is they’re just not any FUN together. They have no rapport or interesting connection beyond jokes claiming the name after the death of an alternate, spiderverse COULD have fixed this, but it’s to dedicated to Bendis’s vision to have any individual identity of its own
Yeah, that is a pretty big issue. Miles has been around for over a decade being pushed to high hell the entire time but he still doesn't have much chemistry with anyone that I have seen. I think that is because Marvel doesn't really let anyone take any risks with him and a side-effect of that is that nobody can give him a personality.
He's been around for a decade and still sells less than Peter even when Peter is being written like utter shit. Not just in comics, but across all media, Peter still sells more. It's embarrassing for the character that's supposed to be the "younger, cooler" successor.
>It's embarrassing for the character that's supposed to be the "younger, cooler" successor.
Miles as-is is lame as frick. He's a middle class kid with both parents and goes to a fricking private school. All he's literally got is that he's black and has electric powers, which Static does immensely better. They're so afraid of making him flawed, so they make him super safe and inoffensive.
all of Peter's "problems" boiled down to a frail aunt and a dead girlfriend emasculating him from a live one and they're not even a thing anymore. modern Peter is just the same milksop you claim Miles to be.
>modern Peter is just the same milksop
The fact you can say this shit without pause while presumably knowing just how much Peter has gotten his ass kicked and screwed over is amazing. Miles hasn't gone through anywhere near what Peter has. If anything, it's a much easier read because Miles isn't allowed to get fricked over like Peter is.
I would unironically be much more interested if they nigged him up a bit. At least it would distinguish him a little. They sort of did that in the first Spider-Verse movie and that is by far his best appearance.
That bold SPIDER-MAN in the last bubble is so unsubtle that it wraps around to being funny.
For a character who's supposed to represent black people they did their best to frick that up. And you know what? Nothing wrong with him not being a stereotype and having a loving family and a good home. BUT, the issue is they make him boring. He can be a nerd, he can be a geeky black kid. But they don't do anything else out of fear of being racist.
>Ben doesn’t go by Spider-Man unless Peter tells him it’s okay or Peter is out of commission for whatever reason >Miguel doesn’t go by Spider-Man until people keep calling him that and he just accepts it as a moniker. >Miles sees Peter die and immediately rushes to take his costume and name off of his barely cold corpse for himself
I wonder why people would have an issue with Miles being called Spider-Man?
The real problem is they’re just not any FUN together. They have no rapport or interesting connection beyond jokes claiming the name after the death of an alternate, spiderverse COULD have fixed this, but it’s to dedicated to Bendis’s vision to have any individual identity of its own
This is what happens when people keep kicking and screaming about wanting to have "down-on-his-luck, girl troubled Peter Parker". Since every other character is allowed to develop, Pete's just stuck being the same wisecracking loser.
Which is even worse when coupled with the fact that Marvel obviously has no idea what to do with Miles aside from shake around how "unique and cool" he is. So one is artificially put on a pedestal with nothing to show for it and the other is artificially held down in the gutter with nothing to show for it.
>Pete's just stuck being the same wisecracking loser
Which isn't even who he is. This isn't the character as envisioned by Lee and Ditko and later Romita Sr. Dude wouldn't have ever tolerated any of the shit thrown at him in recent times. None of this lame nice guy shit. It's like they're actively trying to make him into a total lame-ass.
>Marvel hates Peter.
Thet hate him so much that they turned into him the green goblin meanwhile norman is living the good life on a tropical island having Tequila drinks.
>Peter never had an ego about being Spider-man >prideful and want to hog your identity to yourself
I know who does
Pete will recognize Miles for being better at fighting but Bruce will just kill Jason to save the Joker.
Posting this here since the other thread is devolving to no one's surprise:
I've been thinking about it, and I think the only way we can get rid of Chasm is if we get Chasm: Curse of Kaine to tank. It hurts saying that as a Ben fan but I genuinely believe if we want Chasm to go away and maybe get the real Ben back we need to get that book to fail like Jackpot and Black Cat. If they see no one is buying it it may get higher ups to tell editorial to call it quits. It's the only thing I can think of.
He couldn’t even bother to just write “original Spider-man” which is the real shame. There IS no organic connection between the characters, which is the heart of all of the complaints.
Imagine if spiderverse had the balls to make pete the main character and miles the heart of the first movie rather than the opposite. Make Pete’s death the start of the climax rather than the start of the story and see where it goes
>see where it goes
I wonder if they still would have the city essentially replacing Peter at the end of the movie and calling Miles Spider-Man as if Peter hadn't just fricking died not that long ago
The real problem is the companies separating the whole thing, imagine what Daredevils or Human Torches opinion of miles should be rather than the empty acceptance they’re written to have. The real problem is that in terms of the TIMING I get why they do what they do. Spider-man in the eyes of management is SUPPOSED to be the young hero dealing with veterans so miles popping up after pete dying after 10 years is where they think the UNIVERSE should be rather than spidey being a young hero popping up at the beginning of the hero age figuring out what being a superhero means together.
All we can hope is that the MCU allows petes next meeting with fury being him decking him for ruining his life, rather than him fumbling bad dialogue setting up the next DEI hero’s “epic line”
>imagine what Daredevils or Human Torches opinion of miles should be
Very similar if not a 1:1 beat of Clark's reaction when Dick took over for Bruce. They'd tell Miles to frick right off. Their friend is dead and he's trying to steal the man's legacy. Because to them, rightly, Spider-Man is not a title, he is a person. Their trusted friend. And to the city at large, they all know who Spidey is. He's a celebrity, he's been around, everyone knows him to the point that other people get mistaken AS him.
Beyond the companies desperate to shoehorn Miles into the mythos at every gap and crevice they can, the problem are secondaries who think they know the character because they watched the movies and read a Stan Lee quote out of context. It's exhausting.
>Spider-man in the eyes of management is SUPPOSED to be the young hero dealing with veterans
Spider-Man showed up at the same time as everyone else. He predates the Avengers.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Oh I know anon, which is why the BEST interpretation of miles should come with him dealing with the fallout of the clone saga. He should let miles take the name while Pete is the 4 identity crisis identities until he clears his name. Miles NEVER having his own hero name is just proof of him being nothing more than a clinger on rather than him being an artistic concept.
Spiderverse didn't even have the balls to be a solo Miles movie, they had to use a bunch of alt universe spiders to prop him up.
You could replace Miles with Ultimate Peter and the movie would only benefit from it.
These threads are fun because you usually have people give very well thought out critiques and faithful opinions of how to handle Miles as a character like pic related, or funny shit about how Peter is more representative of black people than Miles ever was.
Which is true, not that it should even come to a matter of the character's race at all. I never needed to share Spidey's skin color to connect with his story heavily. Because it's Peter that makes Spider-Man, Spider-Man. He's the reason the character is beloved.
The real problem is of the miles as bendis has created him, ONLY works well into maydays career as a hero. Him being rambunctious kid thinking he has claim to the name while the actual successor reels with the fallout of losing her father. I understand WHY Sony would want their “successor” spider to be more seemless but it’s fo the detriment to the character as a whole
>MJ is waiting for Peter to inseminate her >Miles is a better Spider-Man in every way >Gwen is alive and also a Spider-Man
I get it. Peter doesn't wanna quit, he wants to saty Spider-Man but that also means blueballing MJ, fall behind Miles and keep moping about Gwen
>So long as he has power he believes he has responsibility
Which is an immature as frick position for a married man.
I see we've entered this stage of the Miles apologist routine
I’ve always wondered why Peter has never considered semi retiring as Spider-Man so that he can focus on his family while still being able to be Spider-Man if necessary. Have Miles handle the smaller day to day stuff while Peter raises his family but is able to get involved if needed. Heck, he could probably schedule it out with Miles so that both of them don’t get bogged down being Spider-Man and hurt their personal lives
>spend the majority of your life doing hard but fulfilling work in a profession that while it has brought great strife, it has also brought great fulfillment and relief >WTF you don't want to drop it immediately and leave it behind?
Peter's like an athlete, or any person whose profession is extremely enmeshed with their life. It is a part of him, Spider-Man is his identity, and his alone. Retired athletes still miss being on the field or in the court. Cops still miss being cops. Soldiers still get ticks and cues from their time in the service, and dancers and musicians still maintain their habits and movements. They still 'are'. Just because they stop don't mean they stop being who they were.
JESUS FRICKING CHRIST ANON!
You should've warned me about that fricking godawful suit design. I threw up in my mouth you fricking psychopath.
The issue with that is he has zero reason to like Miles doing it. He didn't like it when his own clone did it. He didn't like it when his own Daughter did it. He didn't like it when Mattie Franklin did it, or the Spider-Women did it, or the MVPs did it. He doesn't even like Bailey doing it because Bailey is too young, as if Miles wasn't. Peter has every reason to not want Miles to not copy him and zero reason to like it.
The only reason he's written as not having issue with it is because Miles is black, and any and everyone who calls them out on using that as a shield is a racist or uncle tom.
Peter has no reason to ever be okay with anyone being Spider-[anything]. He knows firsthand that it's a life-ruining identity and his villains are bitter, vindictive pricks.
What do you want from them at this point? They've barely had a good comic, cartoon, movie, or game in the last decade and a half.
(barely means there was some, just very little).
1 good comic in 15 years isn't here and there.
It's not absolutely nothing, but it's fricking close.
0 good cartoons.
I didn't like the movies, but I concede that others might have so I don't talk about them.
and... 1 good game?
Something I'm confused on is why Miles wants to be Spider-Man in particular. He's never really been portrayed as a big fan or anything, certainly not to the extent that they did with Gerry Drew.
He just sort of decides "yes I will be Spider-Man now too" with no real reasoning beyond having powers. Just feels very lazy
I have, that's why I'm so confused. Unless I'm forgetting something from early Miles-Ultimate. Is there a scene BEFORE he gets his powers where he expresses that he's a big fan?
He has literally no reason to do so in the 616 universe. Molecule man transfered Miles' shit to 616 and 'integrated' him or whatever so that he was now always part of 616, but Miles' origin doesn't make sense there, so it's just handwaved away.
Also, Molecule Man did a good and bad job depending on the writer, so sometimes Miles knows he's from 1610, other times not so much.
He's entitled. In Ultimate, he did it out of guilt. He felt bad for not helping Peter when he could have possibly saved him. He has since forgotten about that foundational strife and now thinks that, because he has the powers, he is entitled to the name of Spider-Man and the reputation it has. That's all it is, Miles is a greedy, entitled butthole.
Nah I gotta be honest here, Miles was there when Peter was going through the gauntlet. He had his powers he could have stepped in and tried to help Peter, but he was afraid. He had every right to be afraid too, but the take away is that had he intervened, Peter might not have been so injured that he would have died later on.
It's a stark parallel between the two that Bendis, being Bendis, never fricking uses. Peter could have stopped Ben's death. He didn't because he was selfish and arrogant. Ben dies.
Miles could have stopped Peter's death. He didn't because he was afraid. In a better world we would see Miles change like Peter did, where the latter is changed into someone selfless and driven by guilt, the former would be reckless, but also driven by guilt as they are both attempting to make up for their foundational inaction.
It would be very, VERY good but we can't have good things.
Given Miles' powerset, being scared is kind of a non-starter.
Dude's invisible with a 1hko touch that works if the other person is touching the same material as him. He's not Pete who has to deck it out with villains. Miles chooses to do that, but he doesn't have to.
>being scared is kind of a non-starter.
Actually, let me amend that: being scared of something/someone that isn't setting off AoE attacks frequently is a non-starter.
Well, keep in mind this is literally when Miles just got his powers. He doesn't know how to go invisible at will, so if he jumps into a free-for-all with Spidey, Goblin, Vulture, and Electro, he's not going to be doing much except regretting it.
I think the main difference though is that Peter knows for a fact he could have easily stopped that mugger. He had the power and the means to make a difference and chose not to.
Miles doesn't actually know if he could have helped Peter enough to save him. Peter wasn't fighting muggers when he died, he was fighting five, hardened, super-powered criminals. There's a very real chance that Miles would just also be dead had he gone to help
Oh of course. But it would speak well of Miles' character to internalize his inaction at such an important moment, just as Peter did, because that's exactly what Peter did. That parallel is extremely strong and would endear him to fans.
There'd be nothing rational about Miles blaming himself in that case for the reason you listed, but there is nothing rational about a situation like that. Similarly, Peter had no way of knowing that crook would then go on and murder someone, much less his Uncle. Guilt doesn't care about logic or reason, and in this case Miles would have also had the power and means. After all, Peter was not that much older than him when he became Spider-Man and started fighting hardened criminals and he still did it.
For this scenario, in Miles' own, survivor's guilt plagued mind, what's his excuse? Peter did it, but Miles was too afraid to. Now Peter is dead, and Miles has to live with it possibly being his fault.
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>Well, keep in mind this is literally when Miles just got his powers.
My bad then. Read his origin long ago and thought he'd tested out his powers beforehand.
Nor mastered or anything, but reliable enough to, sat, crawl up a building while invisible.
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>so if he jumps into a free-for-all
Ah, would like to say that, with Miles' powers, he doesn't need to jump in. He's more like a guy looking through a sniper scope 1m away and thinking when to use his KO shot that someone who needs to run up to the dude and shank him. Miles fights sub-optimally for some reason.
I think the main difference though is that Peter knows for a fact he could have easily stopped that mugger. He had the power and the means to make a difference and chose not to.
Miles doesn't actually know if he could have helped Peter enough to save him. Peter wasn't fighting muggers when he died, he was fighting five, hardened, super-powered criminals. There's a very real chance that Miles would just also be dead had he gone to help
>"imagine ME of all people telling a kid he can't be Spider-Man, that would make me a huge hypocrite"
it's a good thing Miles doesn't have the same dumbass 80 year baggage about being spider-man. not when he has a kindred spirit in Peter.
Miles looks like an ayy lmao drawn in ms paint and pasted over the actual panels.
It's really embarrasing. But this is what happens when a character is controlled by a corporation. Spider-Man isn't an individual creation anymore. He can be and has been written by tons of different people with different viewpoints. That's it. That's all this is. If you don't like how he's written then you simply disagree with the writer. That's all.
Ye.
Time to get emotionally unattached.
yeah I really don't get how anyone can follow this stuff
when the original creator dies, the character also dies
everything else is just sanctioned fanfiction
like all the spidermen created after lee and ditko are all just oc's based off of spiderman
Marvel hated Peter even before Miles showed up.
The Clone Saga is kino
Try reading it and you’ll think otherwise.
I have, that's why I know it's kino
You sound like a zoomer praising the prequel trilogy just to spite Rey.
Which is not to say the sequel trilogy or Miles are good, but goddamn man defending shit just because it's earlier just makes you sound moronic.
This might surprise you, but I actually just enjoy (most of) it. There are plenty of good storylines set during the two years it ran for
>noooooo you can't like (thing) didney didn't make it noooooo
Mousecucks lmao
Yes, but the prequels are kino.
prequels are interesting, terrible b-movies (b-movies being better than the schlock at cannes) and you've made a false equivalence between two unrelated things
Fanedits have proven that the story and characters are fine, but needed more time in the editing room. Hal9000's edits are basically the same movies, but polished up. Literally remove the crap, some trims to fix the pacing, add the plot-important deleted scenes in and you have legit good movies.
>This name
No, HIS OWN NAME. He's celebrity, not a jersey number. You don't have two fricking Michael Jordans or two Jason Stathams or Hugh Jackmans, you just have one. I'm sure someone else can post one of the several pics of Spidey hating it when people crib his name, but this shit is so stupid and why people dislike Miles.
Clone Saga 2009 and Ultimate Clone Saga are kino. Life Story Clone Saga... eh.
It’s hilarious that the exact same reasons people hated the clone saga for trying to replace Peter, they will bend over backwards to justify with Miles
Peter never had an ego about being Spider-man
>non canon alt universe where he's already retired
It would be nice if they EVER bothered to write a story where miles proved himself to pete as his own person in general beyond the claim to the name. You know if miles had some sort of justification outside of the meta reasons for his claim to the name.
>So he just stole your name?
>Exactly.
Wild to me that not one but two Spider-Women, Jessica Drew and Julia Carpenter have nothing to do with Peter at all
I prefer that over the alternative which is what we have now
Of the 14 or so spider-women only Mattie Franklin really had any connection to Peter. Not counting Ultimate Jess because different dimension etc.
I only know the 2
I kinda feel bad, this costume is just a flat out worse version of maydays . These would’ve premiered at roughly the same time right?
Mayday came first by a few years, and the costume came even earlier since it was Ben's first
>I kinda feel bad, this costume is just a flat out worse version of maydays . These would’ve premiered at roughly the same time right?
Mattie's lack of a good costume was sort of a running gag though her solo run. She had a new costume every issue for a while. None of them really stuck though.
The last two look okay.
Remember kids, direct correlation between a spider-woman's costume and her popularity. Full masks only, domino masks and half masks never.
What's wrong with having an ego over an identity that he created and fought hard for?
you can either be prideful and want to hog your identity to yourself out of ego or be a total whiney b***h soapboxing about how "hard" your identity is and how your life is totally harder than everyone else's. Self-Inserters want both because they wanna live an escapist wish fulfilment powerfantasy but also be self-pitying b***hes acting like they're always the victim.
But no matter how much you want both you can't be both, without being completely delusional at least.
Counter argument: Miles Morales is a gay
The only self inserters are Miles fans.
>bruh he just like me fr fr!!! (translation: he's brown and listens to music)
This. It's the perfect description of every self-inserting petercel
Enjoying the white wiener of Gwen, Miles?
almost as much as MJ is enjoying Paul's hairy brown wiener in her throat
Paul doesn't have a penis
he does though. That's why in the comic you literally see MJ wake up in the morning next to him and they're both naked. They be fricking all night long
>still rolling with the paul shtick two years later
lmaoing at your life rn
You're a lying homosexual and should have a nice day. The absolute delusion and entitlement you exude is palpable.
>hog your identity to yourself
You have every right hog your Identity. It's YOURS. The only reason why someone even wants to take is the hard work and creativity that made it valuable in the first place.
Only a soulless parasite would rather steal someone elese's identity than put in the effort to build up their own.
only a delusional blubbering manbaby who doesn't even have it that hard in reality would cry and cry and cry all day how "bad" their secret life is and how they hate it and don't want it and wish someone else could possibly handle the "burden" of it, then as soon as someone else does exactly that with no problem they get butthurt and demand they give it back and it can only be him.
Like a spoiled child not playing with their dollhouse then throwing it down the stairs if the parent threatens to give it to their cousin.
It's not your identity.
You're rambling moronic nonsense.
The idea is responsibility being a burden you're trying to live up to but wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. Of course moron milesgays can't see past the mask so they CLING to the delusion that spidey is a mere mask when it's an aspect of Peter's own values and identity as a human being.
Even an ESL like me can see that. And idk about this self-insert stuff you're talking about, but is it so hard to conceptualize a character that shares certain values with your own core morals and beliefs
Well it’s certainly not a “burden you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy” to Miles or any of the other Spiders, so it’s definitely not that you or petey want to spare them hardship by acting like only you could ever be spiderman, so seems you and petey are just blubbering sensitive gays wailing like babies that noone is allowed to be spiderman but you out of insecurity and inflated ego
And I already knew peter self-inserters are esls
Miles love white wiener
You're literally acting like an angry child right now and getting personal because there's people ITT who don't like Miles. Get a grip, homosexual.
>to Miles or any of the other Spiders
None of whom have ever gone through half the shit Peter has gone through, outside his own clones. Not one of them.
Clones which have their own misgivings about that inherited identity and had to come to terms with the responsibility thereof, and how they never had a choice but were instead literally bred to fit that mold and accept it. Clones like Ben, who came to accept and appreciate it, or Kaine, who resents that he cannot and does not want to refuse it, or Spider-Cide, who hates it outright.
Eat shit, you're a ranting shitter with no real appreciation for the character and a tourist trying to talk down to people who actually love the character.
>Well it’s certainly not a “burden you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy” to Miles or any of the other Spiders
Let's see. Miguel's a megalomaniac who thinks spider Gibbs is a mistake and ghost b***h is avoiding any sense of responsibility through hopping dimensions. Ben Riley who is the literal clone of Peter didn't want anything to do with it for the long haul. But enough about secondary characters and let's see deconstruct miles for a change, The quantum superposition and cognitive dissonance of what Spider-Man is when it comes to Miles goes like this
>Peter Parker is Spider-Man
>but Miles can also be Spider-Man because everyone can be Spider-Man
>as proof here are all these other characters who are Spider-Man like Spider-Punk, Scarlet Spider, Spider-Woman, Spider-Byte etc
>"but all of them have their own names that are not Spider-Man, why can't Miles"
>because that would be making him lesser than Peter who is Spider-Man
So the proof that everyone can be Spider-Man and that Miles should be named Spider-Man are.. the characters who are, according to their logic, lesser Spider-Men and aren't named Spider-Man
>so it’s definitely not that you or petey want to spare them hardship by acting like only you could ever be spiderman, so seems you and petey are just blubbering sensitive gays wailing like babies that noone is allowed to be spiderman but you out of insecurity and inflated ego
Too much ad-hominem for it to be anything but what you accusing me of. But let's see who really wants to be Spider-Man. Peter uncle dies. So does miles uncle. Peter got a sister. so does miles. Peter makes a pact with the devil. There goes miles. Peter love is Gwen. Guess who's jumping dimensional hoops to copy him. Like usual miles gays projecting their securities.
I'm not a self insert, people can't share commonalities and values doesn't mean I literally want to be my neighbour or live in his house. That and the fact I normally self insert as electro or sandman
>prideful and want to hog your identity to yourself
lmao
This is the most insane thing I have ever read. You don't have a right to your own identity? What a perfect blend of narcissism and envy.
Replying yourself is poor form.
OG Spidey did.
Secondary spotted. Peter ALWAYS has a sense of pride about Spidey because it was what HE was doing. He fought hard and suffered while trying to do the right thing and when people come along to parasite off his own efforts, he was rightly annoyed.
>non canon
>Except it's literally a future timeline version of the main timeline with the exact same Peter up to the point of his daughter being born
Fricking goombah
yet you have a problem with the one he didn't hate.
self insert much?
Oh piss right off you disingenuous freak.
But you stack a character's history of being annoyed and intolerant of accepting copycats and imposters and then suddenly he's alright with one, that's bad writing. And the only reason he isn't allowed to have a problem with it is because they use Miles' race as a shield, and black anons like me fricking hate that shit.
Keep tossing that self insert thing around like it actually means something.
>"future timeline"
>never in the main universe, always an alternate reality
Dumb gay
Get fricked by a dolphin. MC2 Peter is the same as Peter, the same beginning, the same person. Only difference is his life diverged from 616 Peter's, but his stance on Spider-Man was this too, because they share the same past
It's pure Mary Sue-ing from annoying fans. Peter would gladly give up being Spider-Man, that's always been the case.
>Peter would gladly give up being Spider-Man
No.
Yes, every single time. If someone else can take up the mantle and do the job properly, he'd give it up in a heartbeat. Sorry to burst your Mary Sue bubble.
Prove it.
Read up any story where Spider-Man contemplates quitting.
Yeah and how do all of those stories end?
Peter going back to being Spider-Man because no one else can do it. Miles can do it now, so it makes sense that Peter would lay off the responsibility. Do you get it now, dumb c**t?
>because no one else can do it
Wrong. New York is filled with capes. There isn't a "Spider-Man quota" that needs to be filled, Peter does it out of his own sense of personal responsibility.
It's literally his whole matra
>Peter does it out of his own sense of personal responsibility
Because he believes he's the only one who can do it, a thoroughly immature line of thought that's been explored a hundred times and it always ends up with Peter happily giving up the mantle for future generations.
It's funny that people like you complain about a perpetual teenage Peter in every medium, even though you WANT him to behave like a child.
>Because he believes he's the only one who can do it
No. He believes in doing his part. "Not my problem" is literally what caused Uncle Ben to die
>With great power there must also come great responsibility, unless someone else can do it then it's not your problem
>He believes in doing his part
And his part should end once he's married, otherwise he's constantly putting his wife and others in danger for a silly self-imposed challenge. It is the opposite of being responsible. This has been explored a thousand times.
Why not just read the recent Ultimate slop if you want a Peter that doesn't give a shit about growing up?
>Because he believes he's the only one who can do it
So long as he has power he believes he has responsibility. He'll be out there swinging around even if every confirmed bad guy was permanently taken care of and supers magnitudes stronger then him were on constant patrol
>So long as he has power he believes he has responsibility
Which is an immature as frick position for a married man.
>Police men don't have wives or children
>Army men don't have wives or children
>Fire fighters don't have wives or children
B-b-but that's muh job. No, that's a path career choice. Following your moronic logic no super hero should ever lend a helping hand.
Superheroes should not be directly compared to real life vocations, all superhero adventures amd duties are basically illegal mini wars and a freelance r services
Peter didn't even lay off being Spidey when Ben was Scarlet Spider. Even when he had a child on the way. He has a well documented history of having poor priorities, it's a character flaw.
Identity is not ego, you utter mong. Identity is his self. It is a part of him, it is IMPORTANT to him. Even when it causes him trouble, he still wants it. That is a flaw in his choices, but Peter was always flawed. He was never perfect. He is not a saint. He is prideful, he makes mistakes, and his life is paved with the consequences of them.
>and this would be selfishness
Oh no, what an unheard of thing for Spider-Man. It's not like he got a kick in the ass from life for being selfish. It's not like his personal life has suffered because he couldn't give up his mantra for his own sake. No, Spider-Man was never selfish at all.
Ben Reilly before Peter lost his powers. Mattie Franklin when Peter was mourning MJ.
Your ignorance is showing.
Your gen z is showing.
What are you talking about?
His self-inserter’s wanna have their cake and eat it too. Like
said, Petercels want Peter to be a powerfantasy beating up every other hero and villain and getting every girl and for no other spiderman to help him save the day, but they also wanna be crying perpetual victims whining that Peter totally has it way harder than everyone else in the world and havinf amazing spiderpowers that make his life a shameless mary sue powerfantasy is totally a “curse” he hates and doesn’t want
They wanna complain and pretend peter has it hard, but don’t want any of the other hundreds of spiders to do anything
>Peter would gladly give up being Spider-Man
seems like he doesn't want to even though Miles is there and MJ is also there.
now MJ is a superhero because she can't be Peter's wife.
>b-but what about gimmick character??
I don't give a shit about editorial mandates. We've all known since the 80s that Peter would gladly quit if someone else can pick up the mantle.
>Peter would gladly give up being Spider-Man,
You worthless fricking tourist. Sure, he would gladly give up spider-man and there's not multiple stories in his various adaptations and long running history that shows how he still wants it and goes back to being Spider-Man because it's half his identity and he loves being Spider-Man too.
>because it's half his identity
so it's all just ego to you
>he loves being Spider-Man too
and this would be selfishness
why is it ego and selfishness when Peter is Spider-Man, but not when Miles is?
telling how you're bringing Miles at all
You've been the one arguing in favor of Miles taking over.
Your stupid argument started with you bringing up Peter out of nowhere in the first place.
right, I'm everyone in this thread.
God, you're a fricking idiot.
Because for Miles it's greed. He thinks he deserves to be Spider-Man as though it's something he's entitled to. Miles is a greedy, entitled ingrate thinking he deserves the name of someone who toiled and suffered for the prestige that Miles believes the name has.
You do realize your picture just proves that Peter wouldn't give up being Spider-Man even when it would benefit him right?
His family needs him, his children need him, yet he's being Spider-Man instead. Selfishness is one thing, but Peter's enjoyment of being Spidey and the power is well documented.
>2nd panel
>3rd Panel
>could get MJ back if he stopped
>still chooses not to stop
Idiot.
ok, idiot. where in those panels Peter said "nobody can be SpiderMan but ME"
>modern Spider-Man book downplays Peter being the actual Spider-Man
Colour me shocked
Oh, so you're moving the goalpost now? Okay then. I thought this was about 'selfishness' and 'ego', but on the new goalpost, the character's history of not wanting people to STEAL HIS IDENTITY to the point he doesn't even want his own CLONES doing it, shows how he feels about that.
Or are you going to tell me that the various examples of his feelings of imposters in this very thread, the ones from the character's history, are somehow invalid to the very storyline that is supposed to represent the character's history?
Pete used to have some actual pride anon
>muh out of context panel will win all the arguments
The context is there's someone cribbing on Spider-Man's schtick. That's literally it. Someone trying to phone in on his deal, and he doesn't like it.
but he likes Miles doing it. there's the difference.
Because they wrote it to be that way. And the purpose of those Spider-Verse movies is to prop up Miles at the expense of Peter, so why should I care the movie says?
>Because they wrote it to be that way
and there it is
according to this thread, THEY wrote Peter as proud of being the only Spider-Man and wanting to hog the title (explicit examples of which still have to be delivered) and THEY wrote Peter liking Miles as Spider-Man.
you're here accepting everything they write as gospel yet choosing to believe one over the other. what's your obviously personal problem then?
why they fricked up peter's nose in the children's cartoon?
these far-leftists are so racist.
>you're here accepting everything they write as gospel yet choosing to believe one over the other. what's your obviously personal problem then?
Because one is history built on decades of character writing and the other is a senseless, blatant, and all too convenient heel-face turn in ignorance of that. It's a fricking retcon with absolutely no basis and directly disproven by years of history. Do you not understand that simple fact?
>Write a character in a way for their entire existence
>suddenly change it to give false credence to another character
>he likes Miles being a good boy spider-man instead of all the dicks that tried to replace him/kill him.
yes I understand that simple fact.
Yeah, so you you got nothing to say to any of my points, okay.
Mayday didn't do that. Ollie Osnick didn't do that. The MVPs didn't do that. Mattie didn't do that. Ben Reilly didn't do that. Gerry Drew didn't do that.
>instead of all the dicks that tried to replace him
Miles demanding he be called Spider-man too isn't trying to replace him? Excuse me? Miles thinking he has a right to be what Peter created for... no reason at all, isn't trying to replace him? So Miles trying to claim Peter's life's work and the name he built from nothing is less of him trying to replace him than any of the other people who never held the opinion that they deserved the name, and instead merely were inspired by Peter and wanted to continue what he started?
The people coming from a place of inspiration are trying to replace Peter more than the kid who's coming from a place of entitlement, is that right?
>yet choosing to believe one over the other.
One's pre-OMD, one's post-OMD
There is not conflict. There is no contradiction. There is only acceptance of OMD's destruction of Spider-man.
The issue with that is he has zero reason to like Miles doing it. He didn't like it when his own clone did it. He didn't like it when his own Daughter did it. He didn't like it when Mattie Franklin did it, or the Spider-Women did it, or the MVPs did it. He doesn't even like Bailey doing it because Bailey is too young, as if Miles wasn't. Peter has every reason to not want Miles to not copy him and zero reason to like it.
The only reason he's written as not having issue with it is because Miles is black, and any and everyone who calls them out on using that as a shield is a racist or uncle tom.
...And the black spider-woman
...And Gerry Drew
...And Venom
...And Ollie Osnick
At least pick some better examples
>Ahmed
Typical
At this point I think it's fair to say that modern Peter is just fundamentally built for BBC.
Does Miles have ANY appearances were people don't tell him how special he is?
No. Even in the two animated Spider-Verse movies, it basically devolves into shilling Miles and how great and totally valid as Spider-Man he is... while still giving him nothing of his own and continuing the trend of him just being "black Spider-Man."
No, they have to constantly tell their audience how cool and special he is because they're incapable of actually making him interesting. Despite how many moronic power ups they give him like the laser sword, the laser beams, and being able to outright fly. And no one still gives a shit about him because he has no identity outside of Spider-Man but black.
Not that i can think of, no. its weird
lol
This just Spider-Man being a boomer. Miles crying about it is in character too. Why would this be offensive to you?
Go back
Because it’s not funny or entertaining. If you’re going to try and be be educational at least make it edutainment. There’s no effort in this at all.
Do you new gen idiots know what boomer actually means. ?
If characters are being cringe, explaining why it makes sense for them to be cringe just kicks the can down the road to "then why did you write them so that this would naturally follow?"
Peter's in his 20s. He's an older zoomer.
Zoomers are the new boomers
this is fake... no way.
It's from the latest Spider-Men issue:
And no, it's not intended to be a joke.
Forgot my pic.
This is written out of spite, with hatred and malice
that doesnt read as sarcasm to you?
Does it? Miles is gay and he meant it
I imagine it's one of those death of the author moments.
It’s indicative of the lack of relationship between the characters. Miles in the enforcement that the brand in more important than the character, not the other way around
It did until he said 'you're right' and 'I want to do better'.
This IS the company that almost went public with the new warriors, before the backslash.
third page from that same issue
lmao
I read this, I remember this... were they relevant to anything or just there? I don't remember them doing anything... but I don't remember much of it, I was reading an isekai ln about a guy pretending to be a power ranger in a magic-n-monsters world and that was more entertaining than the comic, so... yea, what happened with them?
In that particular issue? They just are here for cheap sidelines drama, and the guy is used as bait to attract Peter and Miles to a trap of sorts.
holy shit is that 'you're a white male!' face?
The next page is Peter saying that Miles should say that to She Hulk and he pussies out.
yep, that's going in my cringe compilation.
bomb Marvel and gas the israelites[spoiler]
is this satire?
it's like a joke someone would make to exaggerate how woke people talk
>patriarchy-speak
Please someone do something about that writer
Don't worry they already cancelled his 5th season of Young Justice
How are there female Vermin if they're all literally just clones of one guy.
Same way Ultimate Jessica Drew exists I guess
Been a few year since a comic made me genuinely cringe. Frick, that is embarrassing.
Yeah, that is a pretty big issue. Miles has been around for over a decade being pushed to high hell the entire time but he still doesn't have much chemistry with anyone that I have seen. I think that is because Marvel doesn't really let anyone take any risks with him and a side-effect of that is that nobody can give him a personality.
He's been around for a decade and still sells less than Peter even when Peter is being written like utter shit. Not just in comics, but across all media, Peter still sells more. It's embarrassing for the character that's supposed to be the "younger, cooler" successor.
>It's embarrassing for the character that's supposed to be the "younger, cooler" successor.
Miles as-is is lame as frick. He's a middle class kid with both parents and goes to a fricking private school. All he's literally got is that he's black and has electric powers, which Static does immensely better. They're so afraid of making him flawed, so they make him super safe and inoffensive.
all of Peter's "problems" boiled down to a frail aunt and a dead girlfriend emasculating him from a live one and they're not even a thing anymore. modern Peter is just the same milksop you claim Miles to be.
Is every counter-argument going to be you deflecting and pointing the finger at Peter? Explain why Miles isn't a "milksop".
didn't read your slop
So you’re just openly admitting your bendis?
Then shut the frick up about Spider-Man you worthless moron. You don't know what you're talking about.
You talk like a casual spider-verse secondary who knows little to nothing about Peter Parker. Probably because you are.
His problems used to stem from his inherent character flaws.
>modern Peter is just the same milksop
The fact you can say this shit without pause while presumably knowing just how much Peter has gotten his ass kicked and screwed over is amazing. Miles hasn't gone through anywhere near what Peter has. If anything, it's a much easier read because Miles isn't allowed to get fricked over like Peter is.
I would unironically be much more interested if they nigged him up a bit. At least it would distinguish him a little. They sort of did that in the first Spider-Verse movie and that is by far his best appearance.
That bold SPIDER-MAN in the last bubble is so unsubtle that it wraps around to being funny.
>I would unironically be much more interested if they nigged him up a bit
They're afraid of being called racist if they do that.
For a character who's supposed to represent black people they did their best to frick that up. And you know what? Nothing wrong with him not being a stereotype and having a loving family and a good home. BUT, the issue is they make him boring. He can be a nerd, he can be a geeky black kid. But they don't do anything else out of fear of being racist.
Dollars to donuts Peter has an anonymous Twitter account where he posts about how shitty black people are (true)
No.
Anyone who fights crime in NYC as long as Peter has has a very realistic understanding of African Americans anon.
Compared to comic writing today, the clone saga is a fricking masterpiece
It's your fault for not forgetting that Peter ever existed. Just accept that Miles is the one true Spider-Man.
>Miles validation moment #2449682
Marvel will not stop until all the chuds love him and praise lord Miles, the one and true Spider-Man.
Why is it okay for peter to praise people like Ben and other spider people but not Miles according to you guys??
Is not ok for the Spider-Man name to be shared with ANYONE.
>Ben doesn’t go by Spider-Man unless Peter tells him it’s okay or Peter is out of commission for whatever reason
>Miguel doesn’t go by Spider-Man until people keep calling him that and he just accepts it as a moniker.
>Miles sees Peter die and immediately rushes to take his costume and name off of his barely cold corpse for himself
I wonder why people would have an issue with Miles being called Spider-Man?
The real problem is they’re just not any FUN together. They have no rapport or interesting connection beyond jokes claiming the name after the death of an alternate, spiderverse COULD have fixed this, but it’s to dedicated to Bendis’s vision to have any individual identity of its own
>Why is it okay for peter to praise people like Ben
He has never done that
This is what happens when people keep kicking and screaming about wanting to have "down-on-his-luck, girl troubled Peter Parker". Since every other character is allowed to develop, Pete's just stuck being the same wisecracking loser.
Which is even worse when coupled with the fact that Marvel obviously has no idea what to do with Miles aside from shake around how "unique and cool" he is. So one is artificially put on a pedestal with nothing to show for it and the other is artificially held down in the gutter with nothing to show for it.
>Pete's just stuck being the same wisecracking loser
Which isn't even who he is. This isn't the character as envisioned by Lee and Ditko and later Romita Sr. Dude wouldn't have ever tolerated any of the shit thrown at him in recent times. None of this lame nice guy shit. It's like they're actively trying to make him into a total lame-ass.
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>Peter says a nice thing to this kid who is basically his sidekick
>NNNOOO STRAIGHT WHITE MEN ARE OPPRESSED NNNOOO
>sidekick
Ok racist. Miles is his own original hero, not some other guy's copy. Do better.
Marvel doesn't hate Peter. Nick Lowe does. And Brevoort is too busy blowing him to notice.
>flip my tiny hat off my fat head as I blow you
Is that Inhuman princess Crystal in the background?
It's a Celestial in the form of Gwen Stacy.
>Marvel
Shit detected.
No duh. Where have you been the last decade?
>Marvel hates Peter.
Thet hate him so much that they turned into him the green goblin meanwhile norman is living the good life on a tropical island having Tequila drinks.
Zeb Wells is trying to become the most hated spider-man writer ever, I don't Dan Slott is gonna lose his spot as number 1
Can't say I like Peter but the constant shilling for Miles is pure trash.
I'd be mad if I actually read comics. But I don't even watch marvel
>Peter never had an ego about being Spider-man
>prideful and want to hog your identity to yourself
I know who does
Pete will recognize Miles for being better at fighting but Bruce will just kill Jason to save the Joker.
>Pete will recognize Miles for being better at fighting
Excuse me?
>t.
>picking batman to try compare miles attempting to steal the name
holy bat semen
get rekt moron
and it still mogs anything about Black personman
Posting this here since the other thread is devolving to no one's surprise:
I've been thinking about it, and I think the only way we can get rid of Chasm is if we get Chasm: Curse of Kaine to tank. It hurts saying that as a Ben fan but I genuinely believe if we want Chasm to go away and maybe get the real Ben back we need to get that book to fail like Jackpot and Black Cat. If they see no one is buying it it may get higher ups to tell editorial to call it quits. It's the only thing I can think of.
miles will never be spiderman
Lol, you guys aren't even trying, keep it up.
>conversion
>apprecaites
Jesus Christ, no effort.
He couldn’t even bother to just write “original Spider-man” which is the real shame. There IS no organic connection between the characters, which is the heart of all of the complaints.
Imagine if spiderverse had the balls to make pete the main character and miles the heart of the first movie rather than the opposite. Make Pete’s death the start of the climax rather than the start of the story and see where it goes
>see where it goes
I wonder if they still would have the city essentially replacing Peter at the end of the movie and calling Miles Spider-Man as if Peter hadn't just fricking died not that long ago
The real problem is the companies separating the whole thing, imagine what Daredevils or Human Torches opinion of miles should be rather than the empty acceptance they’re written to have. The real problem is that in terms of the TIMING I get why they do what they do. Spider-man in the eyes of management is SUPPOSED to be the young hero dealing with veterans so miles popping up after pete dying after 10 years is where they think the UNIVERSE should be rather than spidey being a young hero popping up at the beginning of the hero age figuring out what being a superhero means together.
All we can hope is that the MCU allows petes next meeting with fury being him decking him for ruining his life, rather than him fumbling bad dialogue setting up the next DEI hero’s “epic line”
>imagine what Daredevils or Human Torches opinion of miles should be
Very similar if not a 1:1 beat of Clark's reaction when Dick took over for Bruce. They'd tell Miles to frick right off. Their friend is dead and he's trying to steal the man's legacy. Because to them, rightly, Spider-Man is not a title, he is a person. Their trusted friend. And to the city at large, they all know who Spidey is. He's a celebrity, he's been around, everyone knows him to the point that other people get mistaken AS him.
Beyond the companies desperate to shoehorn Miles into the mythos at every gap and crevice they can, the problem are secondaries who think they know the character because they watched the movies and read a Stan Lee quote out of context. It's exhausting.
>Spider-man in the eyes of management is SUPPOSED to be the young hero dealing with veterans
Spider-Man showed up at the same time as everyone else. He predates the Avengers.
Oh I know anon, which is why the BEST interpretation of miles should come with him dealing with the fallout of the clone saga. He should let miles take the name while Pete is the 4 identity crisis identities until he clears his name. Miles NEVER having his own hero name is just proof of him being nothing more than a clinger on rather than him being an artistic concept.
Spiderverse didn't even have the balls to be a solo Miles movie, they had to use a bunch of alt universe spiders to prop him up.
You could replace Miles with Ultimate Peter and the movie would only benefit from it.
>conversion
>the other spider-man
>apprecaites
this is fake right?
of course, he's a white heterosexual male
2057 Public Domain
Tick tock, swagtard
These threads are fun because you usually have people give very well thought out critiques and faithful opinions of how to handle Miles as a character like pic related, or funny shit about how Peter is more representative of black people than Miles ever was.
Which is true, not that it should even come to a matter of the character's race at all. I never needed to share Spidey's skin color to connect with his story heavily. Because it's Peter that makes Spider-Man, Spider-Man. He's the reason the character is beloved.
It's all so tiresome, bros. At this point I should just go back to fanfiction.
Probably best to just give up on comic books and associated media in general.
At this point we should just consider the official canon “hate fiction” considering how they treat the characters and stories
Miles doesn't work in 616.
The real problem is of the miles as bendis has created him, ONLY works well into maydays career as a hero. Him being rambunctious kid thinking he has claim to the name while the actual successor reels with the fallout of losing her father. I understand WHY Sony would want their “successor” spider to be more seemless but it’s fo the detriment to the character as a whole
Bailey is a better Miles than Miles, and the character isn't even one year old.
>petergays want peter to grow up and think like an adult
>quitting and letting younger people do the job is wrong, though
Peter wouldn't give a shit about his costume once he's well into his 40s and has a daughter lmao
>MJ is waiting for Peter to inseminate her
>Miles is a better Spider-Man in every way
>Gwen is alive and also a Spider-Man
I get it. Peter doesn't wanna quit, he wants to saty Spider-Man but that also means blueballing MJ, fall behind Miles and keep moping about Gwen
I’ve always wondered why Peter has never considered semi retiring as Spider-Man so that he can focus on his family while still being able to be Spider-Man if necessary. Have Miles handle the smaller day to day stuff while Peter raises his family but is able to get involved if needed. Heck, he could probably schedule it out with Miles so that both of them don’t get bogged down being Spider-Man and hurt their personal lives
I see we've entered this stage of the Miles apologist routine
ok homosexual
>o-ok homosexual
Lol. Is that all you've got you limp-wristed little b***h?
Gerry Drew made a better Spider-Man than Miles Morales. And he was a more interesting character
but if Peter is ok with Miles being the better Spider-Man, it's a psyop perpetuated by woke agenda.
>because.... it just is, ok?!
You're a waste.
no, it's just self insert fee fees being hurt
owie zowie!
Why is it self-inserting when Peter is Spider-Man, but not when Miles is?
dejavu
Stupid child.
>wokie
>tranime
>miles fan
Every time lmao
>spend the majority of your life doing hard but fulfilling work in a profession that while it has brought great strife, it has also brought great fulfillment and relief
>WTF you don't want to drop it immediately and leave it behind?
Peter's like an athlete, or any person whose profession is extremely enmeshed with their life. It is a part of him, Spider-Man is his identity, and his alone. Retired athletes still miss being on the field or in the court. Cops still miss being cops. Soldiers still get ticks and cues from their time in the service, and dancers and musicians still maintain their habits and movements. They still 'are'. Just because they stop don't mean they stop being who they were.
says the virgin on the image board, talking on behalf of all the athletes, cops, soldiers and Spider-Men of the world.
>I'll resort to petty insults! That'll for sure prove he's wrong since I can't refute what he's saying!
lol okay
Are your hot b***hes sitting next to you as you angrily type on your keyboard?
trigger warning: spider-men liking each other
do not open if you believe the woke agenda has invaded comics
I'll like it when Peter is allowed to be the Bruce to Miles' Terry.
And no, the movies didn't do that.
JESUS FRICKING CHRIST ANON!
You should've warned me about that fricking godawful suit design. I threw up in my mouth you fricking psychopath.
Peter has no reason to ever be okay with anyone being Spider-[anything]. He knows firsthand that it's a life-ruining identity and his villains are bitter, vindictive pricks.
>wants to be his own man.
>always seeks daddy's approval.
Mainline ASM is in the gutter but my god are Spidey fans some of the worst most cancerous people around
What do you want from them at this point? They've barely had a good comic, cartoon, movie, or game in the last decade and a half.
(barely means there was some, just very little).
That's the thing, we have had good content here and there. Spidey fans are just indecisive bickering buttholes that cannibalize themselves
1 good comic in 15 years isn't here and there.
It's not absolutely nothing, but it's fricking close.
0 good cartoons.
I didn't like the movies, but I concede that others might have so I don't talk about them.
and... 1 good game?
You're proving my point here
>peter gained his spider-manliness from hardship
>but also peter gets shit on too much
make up your mind, gays
Something I'm confused on is why Miles wants to be Spider-Man in particular. He's never really been portrayed as a big fan or anything, certainly not to the extent that they did with Gerry Drew.
He just sort of decides "yes I will be Spider-Man now too" with no real reasoning beyond having powers. Just feels very lazy
read a comic gay
I have, that's why I'm so confused. Unless I'm forgetting something from early Miles-Ultimate. Is there a scene BEFORE he gets his powers where he expresses that he's a big fan?
He has literally no reason to do so in the 616 universe. Molecule man transfered Miles' shit to 616 and 'integrated' him or whatever so that he was now always part of 616, but Miles' origin doesn't make sense there, so it's just handwaved away.
Also, Molecule Man did a good and bad job depending on the writer, so sometimes Miles knows he's from 1610, other times not so much.
He didn't NOT remember until Ahmed's run, which was funny because Spencer was directly contradicting it in ASM issues coming out at the same time
He's entitled. In Ultimate, he did it out of guilt. He felt bad for not helping Peter when he could have possibly saved him. He has since forgotten about that foundational strife and now thinks that, because he has the powers, he is entitled to the name of Spider-Man and the reputation it has. That's all it is, Miles is a greedy, entitled butthole.
>he could have possibly saved him.
The sheer, fricking hubris.
but he's right because Bendis was writing, so Miles would've easily save Peter.
Nah I gotta be honest here, Miles was there when Peter was going through the gauntlet. He had his powers he could have stepped in and tried to help Peter, but he was afraid. He had every right to be afraid too, but the take away is that had he intervened, Peter might not have been so injured that he would have died later on.
It's a stark parallel between the two that Bendis, being Bendis, never fricking uses. Peter could have stopped Ben's death. He didn't because he was selfish and arrogant. Ben dies.
Miles could have stopped Peter's death. He didn't because he was afraid. In a better world we would see Miles change like Peter did, where the latter is changed into someone selfless and driven by guilt, the former would be reckless, but also driven by guilt as they are both attempting to make up for their foundational inaction.
It would be very, VERY good but we can't have good things.
Given Miles' powerset, being scared is kind of a non-starter.
Dude's invisible with a 1hko touch that works if the other person is touching the same material as him. He's not Pete who has to deck it out with villains. Miles chooses to do that, but he doesn't have to.
>being scared is kind of a non-starter.
Actually, let me amend that: being scared of something/someone that isn't setting off AoE attacks frequently is a non-starter.
Well, keep in mind this is literally when Miles just got his powers. He doesn't know how to go invisible at will, so if he jumps into a free-for-all with Spidey, Goblin, Vulture, and Electro, he's not going to be doing much except regretting it.
Oh of course. But it would speak well of Miles' character to internalize his inaction at such an important moment, just as Peter did, because that's exactly what Peter did. That parallel is extremely strong and would endear him to fans.
There'd be nothing rational about Miles blaming himself in that case for the reason you listed, but there is nothing rational about a situation like that. Similarly, Peter had no way of knowing that crook would then go on and murder someone, much less his Uncle. Guilt doesn't care about logic or reason, and in this case Miles would have also had the power and means. After all, Peter was not that much older than him when he became Spider-Man and started fighting hardened criminals and he still did it.
For this scenario, in Miles' own, survivor's guilt plagued mind, what's his excuse? Peter did it, but Miles was too afraid to. Now Peter is dead, and Miles has to live with it possibly being his fault.
>Well, keep in mind this is literally when Miles just got his powers.
My bad then. Read his origin long ago and thought he'd tested out his powers beforehand.
Nor mastered or anything, but reliable enough to, sat, crawl up a building while invisible.
>so if he jumps into a free-for-all
Ah, would like to say that, with Miles' powers, he doesn't need to jump in. He's more like a guy looking through a sniper scope 1m away and thinking when to use his KO shot that someone who needs to run up to the dude and shank him. Miles fights sub-optimally for some reason.
I think the main difference though is that Peter knows for a fact he could have easily stopped that mugger. He had the power and the means to make a difference and chose not to.
Miles doesn't actually know if he could have helped Peter enough to save him. Peter wasn't fighting muggers when he died, he was fighting five, hardened, super-powered criminals. There's a very real chance that Miles would just also be dead had he gone to help
>"imagine ME of all people telling a kid he can't be Spider-Man, that would make me a huge hypocrite"
it's a good thing Miles doesn't have the same dumbass 80 year baggage about being spider-man. not when he has a kindred spirit in Peter.