https://www.cbr.com/first-gay-spider-man-web-weaver-latest-verse-variant-marvel/
>Marvel will introduce its first gay Spider-Man, a new character named Web-Weaver, in the upcoming Edge of Spider-Verse #5, which releases in Sept.
>Edge of Spider-Verse #5 writer Steve Foxe shared an image of Marvel's first gay Spider-Man, Web-Weaver, onto his Twitter account. "Something I realized immediately when conceiving Web-Weaver is that he can't -- and shouldn't -- represent ALL gay men," Foxe posted. "No single character can. His fearlessly femme identity is central to who he is, but it's not the STORY...which you can experience for yourself in September!"
That's a very cool suit, it expresses both the spider theme and the umm gayness? Spider variations often look good but this one took many creative liberties yet still looks nice
I really like the design. There should be more spider-men designs based off actual spiders rather than just basing them off the original red and blue.
why do gay people now all have to be femine you can have a gay dude that looks tough, I know like three gay people and they don't look like jeffery star
Because the best way to represent people written by "woke" white people who want to seem hip but know nothing about the minority they're writing for is to make them stereotypes.
It's not your opinion. It's the usual chud fallacy that basically reads "ummm actually those minorities are being exploited/stereotyped, so it would be better if there were no minorities at all, haha". Also the writer is gay. That would take less than one minute to research. So i guess he knows something about the minority group he's writing. Unlike you who doesn't know what he's writing in his posts
My opinion is the only one that matters because you are all beneath me
Actually i'm above you and my opinion matters more
No I am. You are not the one I am playing the game of Life as
>"ummm actually those minorities are being exploited/stereotyped, so it would be better if there were no minorities at all, haha"
please show us the writers pic then? oh you won't because he looks like a normal dude just gay? wow big surprise
Nah he looks pretty gay, stereotypically speaking. I'm really curious if you chose to defend the earings and nose rings as common accessories of regular dudes or just admit that you got btfo again
looks like he's annoying irl
Exuding pure bottom energy
Woke culture is moronic
Because that's how a lot of gays are, it's not an stereotype, it's accurate. The masc gays are also an stereotype and one everybody hates, both the straights and the gays.
>The masc gays are also an stereotype and one everybody hates, both the straights and the gays.
This just sounds like incredible cope from a flaming homosexual, because this is the first time I've ever heard anything even remotely close to that, and I've heard it twice now in a short span, phrased in a very similar manner.
Seems more like a seething samegay.
i thought this board liked stereotypical homos. you people are all unpleasable
It's the new type of homophobic behaviour. It's "ok whatever let's have gay characters BUT DO THEY HAVE TO DO OR ACT LIKE GAYS?!?" now. So you can nominally be gay, but nothing about how you behave or look can ever reveal you're gay. It should be basically an open secret never voiced out loud. Basically don't ask don't tell of comics.
That Trixie Mattel eye
I dont mind gay characters, but why do they have to always make them flamboyant. I know plenty of gay people who dont have their entire personality revolve around their sexual preference.
This isn't even true.
Well then how would you distinguish a Gay character from a straight one in a comic book besides showing sexual tendency or preference? making his personality ridiculously flamboyant or over the top is a stereotype
Yeah that stereotype exists and is used in comics but there's plenty of 'normal' or masculine type dudes that are queer too. Midnighter, Herc, Tim Drake, Jon Kent, Constantine, etc
how else would people know the character is gay?
They're self-hating homosexuals. Nobody likes them, straight OR gays.
Yeah, because people totally prefer the twats who make their voice nasally and whiny just because they happen to like wiener instead of vegana.
Hey you said it not me.
Sarcasm, anon.
We made fun of those whiny fricks even in 1st grade, because it's obnoxious to act like that. Anybody who bases their personality around something as superficial as their sexuality or race are the most boring and backwards people you will find.
so being effeminate or flamboyant is self hating? That doesn't really make sense.
Man, you can tell all these new Spider-Brand adverts are getting shelved immediately afterwards. Besides, no one likes flamboyant gays, not even flamboyant gays themselves.
I liked it because the thumbnail looks like he's wearing Doc Fate's helmet.
Looking closer, though, that eye-shadow shit is moronic.
Looks like a stereotypical gay outfit. Going to act like a gay stereotype too?
I like it a lot. Needs a bigger butt tho
Cool suit, but I can already tell it's going be full of very cringe quips because marvel writers can't make jokes anymore.
fixed
Looks worse
You ruined it, now he looks like a cape and not a fashionista reject.
You made it worse.
>Lets take everything that gives the design a strong sense of personality and turn it into luke warm capeshit
Booooo
>They hated him because he told them the true
*RUINED
why does he have to look like a flaming gay?
gay guys can look normal too
marvel already has gay characters that look normal. whats wrong with having a character like this? if anything, a guy like this is more likely to put on a spandex costume when he gets superpowers than a normal gay guy.
He looks fabulous.
i like it
Spider-Fist
The hell's with that collar? I thought the guy was supposed to be a fashion designer, but that looks awful.
>The character designed for Web-Weaver was created by Kris Anka.
Oh, that explains everything.
Who's Kris Anka?
The (actually) gay artist who brought us such amazing fashionable designs as pic related.
If I'm supposed to hate this look, I don't, though the elbow wings activation thing seems like a mess. Cute concept, but incredibly clunky if you actually take teo seconds to try it.
I like that design.
You have to go back. It’s not even about your shitty opinion, it’s about the fact that you see this design the first time in your miserable lives when there was a time it was spammed to hell and back here on Cinemaphile. You do not belong here. Go back and stay there.
Neither of those replies mention seeing it for the first time.
>He thinks normal people that didn't participate in 2016 woke shitshotrms have miserable lives
Lol, lmao
He doesn't look like a melee sort of guy. I guess INT/ mostly traps and keikaku based? The lace collar makes him look sorta high class, which reinforces the "I don't get my hands dirty" sorta theme he has going. Might actually be fun
Kris Ankha Balls, homie
heheh
He looks like he could be a Bayonetta alt-costume.
He better be a sassy gay that quips i swear to gawd
>it's not rainbow colored with a hole on his ass
They actually showed some restraint for this one.
>New spider buddy just dropped
Wow that is gay as frick.
Didn't Butcher kill him?
This guy better be an English fop for that collar to work
I'm bi and Web Weaver looks awful, but that Kraven is fricking sick.
AAAAAA A PICTURE OF A GAY CHARACTER IM LOSING MY MIND
the eyeliner gives me drag queen vibes
Look up Trixie Mattel and that is the way he does his eyeliner.
I like it.
Reminds me of that gay robot sketch from SNL.
I know this is a radioactive hot take, but I feel that being gay doesn't mean you have to look or act in any particular fashion.
It doesn't, nor is that meant to be the takeaway here. Some gays are fashionable and fem, and this gay character is too, but it's not meant to represent a whole.
Alright. Next time when I create a black character. I'll make water melon as theme.
Just do a reboot of Ed, Edd, 'n' Eddy with Jonny as a black kid instead; there ya go.
Misread this all you like it changes nothing. There was already the Miles-Thor mess example anyway and the difference in cases is notable.
It's not controversial at all, though it depends on your social circles I guess. There's not a right way to be gay, and gay men will be fem or masc or neither in different ways. This character doesn't change that nor attempt to inspire any such change so far as I see it. I think it's a lot more known these days that gays can be whatever.
Old school Oscar Wylde style flamboyant homos are cool with me. They still manage to have a certain entertaining panache while not feeling like complete sissies. Way better than the drag queens and eyeliner wearing wannabe Jim Kardashians.
Don't have any issue with stereotypical or effeminate gays.
Just don't think anyone's beholden or obligated to adhere to anything other than what they choose to.
And perhaps I'm mistaken but that tends to seem like a very controversial opinion.
This is actually a good design.
Collar is moronic. Rest is fine, if impractical. I look forward to something as tone deaf as MilesThor.
I won’t lie, the design is unironically nice but I know most gay people hate the flamboyant stereotype a lot because it was what most media applied to them for decades and want to distance from it as much as possible. Ironically there is also a sector of gay people who just embraced the stereotype as well, but still I feel this might arise controversy at one point when we see the actual writing.
The writing itself is definitely the make or break imo. It's one thing to have a more flamboyant and stylish looking gay, that's just fine, but somehow it won't sit too right with me if every other line out of his mouth sounds like it's a quote from Drag Race.
>but somehow it won't sit too right with me if every other line out of his mouth sounds like it's a quote from Drag Race
>I.e. "Okay fine, look flamboyant but don't you DARE act or sound like it, mister!"
Sounds very much like a (you) problem.
Maybe, though I meant more that that territory seems like it has a thinner line between representation and parody. You can act and sound like that sort of gay without being a full mascot about it, and sure even gays like that exist, but it'd be a lot touchier imo.
I don't like the shoulders. Still a nice suit though
Puhleeese.
This is entirely TOO GAY.
Omigod, your webshooters like..shoot glitter.
I hate it. Literally worst gay character ever
oh yeah thats pretty gay hahaha but in a good way. could be a 1602 variant aswell
I just hope it doesn't change in to someone trying to show his writing skills in a bid to be the next men on Grace 3.0.
>first gay Spidey
>looks like Liberace so you know he’s gay
Can’t make this shit up.
Well be is a Fashion Designer. He'll get really mad when you tear his suit
I mean the outfit is cool in a fruity period piece kind of way. A super gay stereotype would be pretty funny I guess. the high ruffle collar is nice. can we just have like an over the top witty gay from the 1800s without it being some political thing?
>without it being some political thing
hahaha, in the CURRENT YEAR? no, but you WILL swallow everything they shit in your mouth!
I don't understand your reaction, it's like you behave that way because you believe you are expected to do so, or trying to fit in maybe. There's nothing intellectual about crying about muh current year endlessly. It's an opinion that existed and was popular at all times during the masses. Just because you are getting older and starting to miss the past doesn't make current year any worse than the past ones. I mean, we had that awful America Chavez comic like what, five years ago?
>during
Among*
Frick
>I mean, we had that awful America Chavez comic like what, five years ago?
And we had that Miles Morales comic like what, five minutes ago?
Shit hasn't changed, anon.
>I mean the outfit is cool in a fruity period piece kind of way.
You ever wonder how comic fans in like 2050 are gonna look back on this era, like how we look back on the 80s or 90s?
They're gonna think 'racial representation was fricking stupid back then, like jfc just write a character who cares if they're trans'
>First gay Spider-man
Umm will there be second?
Miles
Miles is the first gay Spider-Man though so I don't even know why this guy is being called it.
I thought the Brit Punk one was gay?
I really hate multiversal heroes like spider-man and batman
>multiversal
They're only "multiversal" because they're the most popular.
So, really, you just hate popular heroes.
Multiversal in the sense of , spider-man and batman, now only have multiverse stories, is so tiresome this last 12 years with too many batman and too many spider-man
Mulvierse stories and mulvierse heroes is worse than hero vs hero.
Oh, then I definitely agree with that comment.
Writers have largely forgotten that people like seeing stories where Batman just solves a mystery, rather than having some big event with everybody in the "Batfamily" (hard to call it that now, because it's so filled with nobodies that they don't really feel like any sort of family) joining in on the action--just because.
Why every thread that critique stuff like this or "By Odin fade!!!" Ends up like this?
Yes, Multiverse was a mistake.
Social media has polarized everyone. Either you want to push leftward until you legalize fricking dogs like Canada did, or you're a racist sexist [x]phobic bigot who is killing innocent minorities. Suspicion of being a bigot results in cancellation and with it destruction of career and reputation, resulting in discontent that radicalizes people to actual hatred because "frick it, they won't listen".
>Suspicion of being a bigot results in cancellation and with it destruction of career and reputation, resulting in discontent that radicalizes people to actual hatred because "frick it, they won't listen".
THIS, exactly!!!
Most normal people don't think about woke shit the way we do. They tolerate and ignore it, because otherwise they'll be perceived as "hateful monsters who belong in the 20th Century!"
If "non-binary" happened in the 90s, it would've been laughed off--as it should've been now.
>Suspicion of being a bigot results in cancellation and with it destruction of career and reputation
Yeah i remember thst happened to Chris Pratt and..uh well, gotta maintain my le enlightened persecuted victim persona any way
We're talking about normal people, moron, not cult personalities.
Convinient way of avoiding proofs for your words
>Umm just normal people ok, i can't prove it but it happens because i say so
You are just as bad as SJWs were in early 10s. And what's funny you are too moronic to realize it
Are you going to now pretend that "peer pressure" is a made-up phenomenon? That humans aren't social creatures?
I think that people who use strawman memes and /misc/pics instead of proofs for their words are wrong by default in every discussion. Or are you going to pretend that proofs are a made up phenomenon?
So, now you're onto ad hom? The picture is relevant to your hissy-fit:
>You are just as bad as SJWs were in early 10s
because your rationale is the exact same as that image.
You keep the fallacy going while avoiding providing actual substance for your claims. You claim about le opressed "normal people" being fired but you can't prove it, because it's not true. And some random picture of gays
have nothing to do with it. You are not smart, you are not right about anything, you repeat opinions that are not even your own and you can't even explain why. And no amount of strawman memes would change it
>You keep the fallacy going while avoiding providing actual substance for your claims.
Alright, refute this logic, anon:
Modern American society is very sensitive about matters of bigotry following the treatment of women, black people, gays, and other minority groups. Because of this, there exists a disinclination to confront things that don't make sense about matters that are considered "progressive"--because doing so would open yourself up to criticism that
>You just HATE [blank group of people], you don't really care
or something along those lines.
This leads to people falling in line and shutting up about those matters, even when what's being suggested doesn't make real sense.
Now, that is a logical conclusion based off of information that both you and I know about both people and American history. Please, refute my logic.
All I see is /misc/ nonsense and still no actual proof for your claims that regular people get fired for wrong opinions on regular basis. I guess you just can't provide it, because you are wrong. Post as much walls of text as you want, whatever makes you feel smart and persecuted i guess
>All I see is /misc/ nonsense
I'm really glad I decided to give you a chance for actual discourse, anon. This way, at least I'm able to confirm that you actually are a troll, and aren't stupid enough to be unironically espousing such opinions.
Thank you for the conclusion.
>Can't back up his theory with proofs
>Still expects others to debate his theory
It's cute how you expected yo be treated seriously. Just like i said, whatever makes you feel smart and persecuted
>And some random picture of gays
have nothing to do with it.
Also, you're an idiot for assuming every poster arguing with you in this 62-person thread is the same person.
What
said. High profile incidents are the most visible examples, but I was referring more to ground-stuff like HR department witch-hunts and mandatory sensitive training, among others.
gay Spider-man
>Umm will there be second?
Look at how things are progressing (or regressing to be real), you know there will be more. Soon we'll see the first ftm tyranny Spider-"Man".
I'm betting he's the one in the back
He's the one in the front
The one in the back is Kraven the Spider
that's his lover
Reminder that Webweaver was already a character in The Boys comics
https://the-boys.fandom.com/wiki/Webweaver
I'm not sure a single piece of art and one ore two dialogue references constitutes a character.
The Gayer Giraffe Man?
>WEB-WEAVER: A not-so-mild mannered fashion designer at Van Dyne gets spider-powers and shows us a very different kind of Spider-Slayer.
Is Janet Van Dyne going to be the JJJ of this world?
So not even Peter Parker?
>fashion designer
>flamboyant
>orange is a prominent color
Maybe it's Kingsley.
Did he get his powers sticking a radioactive spider up his hiv infected ass?
Why is he called the gay Spider-Man when his hero name is Web-Weaver?
Because you can't put "gay Spider-man" on a poster
I thought they already had one.
Anyways, I'd get rid of the high collar, that's just uncomfortable looking, but otherwise I'd ask to be saved by him any day of the week.
isn't she technically trans
How do
They never use her anymore
>Ultimate U destroyed thanks to years of mismanagement and poor ideas starting with Ultimatum
>it's been teased being brought back or shown restored multiple times but every time it's ignored or redestroyed
Isn't she FTM trans? She's a dude stuck in a female clone body.
>Gay Spiderman
>Make him fricking flamboyant and sterotypical
Did they learn nothing from Black Thor?
Honestly I'm more interested if he's campy and flamboyant, at least then he has an identity
Flamboyant gay people exist and you have far better representation of different kinds of gay people in media these days that it isn’t even a negative stereotype anymore.
bullshit, first gay friend i had i didnt even know was gay cos he acted so straight for first 2 class weeks
and people don't know I am Black or male until I speak in discord.
Wait, you're telling me you people DON'T say "homie" every other sentence? Golly, I think I've been sold a bill of goods.
Cool anecdote, bruh.
>flamboyant gay people exist
>nuh uh i knew one gay guy who was not flamboyant
I knew they would rip off Lord Recluses design eventually, it was just too good to waste
Based City of Heroes enjoyer.
But they already did with the Iron Spider Boy.
It's the little fuzzy cape that makes it.
I always thought the design would work well for an Injustice type Spider-man.
The timeline change is that both Mary Jane and her baby died when Peter was fighting Norman Osborne.
>His fearlessly femme identity
>he can't -- and shouldn't -- represent ALL gay men
They're finally starting to realize the galbrush paradox is real. Now they just need to learn making sexual preferences an identity simply does not work.
I will not stand for this Penelope erasure!
When will she get her spotlight?
pedo
I just mentioned her existence. You’re the one who automatically assumed sex
Uh oh, gutterbrain detected
cute young lesbians
Uoooh ToT
Fricking based
>His fearlessly femme identity is central to who he is, but it's not the STORY...
Which is why you're making an announcement about his sexuality before any elements of the story were revealed. Of course.
To advertise the comic to gay nerds and make some money i guess
He is going to shoot webs from his limp wrists--and you will CLAP.
>His gesture to shoot webs
Once again I'm more interested in reading the parody than the real thing.
First gay S-...Isn't there a version of Peter that's married to Wolverine or something?
That happens in Muh Phoenix, kind of.
>hey boss, comic sales are in the shitter and everyone is sick and tired of woke crap. what should we do?
I thought Miles was their iconic gay spiderman
>first?
Is Penelope even gay anyway? Because I don't think she is
I thought the black one was a gay
No you didn’t
Yes I do
Then you’re either a troll or a dumbass considering nothing points that way
he's a skinny black zoomer who isn't into sports, he's most likely a homo
God I fricking hate gays
Doesn't this sortve imply that being gay is entirely nurture, not nature?
Isn't that the exact opposite of what gay rights groups have been trying to argue for years because its the logic used by conversion camps?
It was likely the truth all along, but gayness as a learned behavior is an inconvenient thing when you're trying to entrench your community culturally for validation, especially when you have to ask who they learned it from.
In what way does it imply that? You guys are desperate with your bullshit
Well if its an alternate dimension, but peter is still the same person then presumably he has the same genetics and so differences in his behaviors or actions would be the result of points of divergence in the timeline.
Also I'm not
guy and I think he's a moron. I just also think if they're gonna do an alternate universe gay spiderman they should put a bare minimum amount of thought into it.
Oh so you made the first post so you could talk to yourself to share your exciting headcanon in homosexuality. Now it makes sense
What? I'm a different anon from
I was just commenting on the logic.
What logic? It's alternative universe Peter, is being an anime girl or a talking cartoon pig also a question of nurture? I am picking strong implications
Don't be coy, this guy probably isn't even Peter. It's pretty obvious what I was commenting on.
>Doesn't this sortve imply that being gay is entirely nurture, not nature? Isn't that the exact opposite of what gay rights groups have been trying to argue for years because its the LOGIC used by conversion camps?
Who else can they shill copies of for easy name-recognition leeching, Wolverine?
If you think he isn't even Peter, then where exactly is the implication of gay nurture?
His personal experiences and/or upbringing? That's usually what "Nuture" means, unless you have a different definition.
So we have a gay character in an unpublished comic, and because he's gay there a nurture implication for you?
I think you mixed
and me up again. I was focused on the proposal of "gayness being nurture rather than", he's the one who proposed it had anything to do with the comic.
Should we jinx it?
>another gay where being a gay is the """selling point"""
>LOOK AT ME I'M SO FRICKING GAY
>what's your favorite color?
>GAY
>do you have a favorite band?
>GAAAAY
>have you ever been to south america?
>I AM GAAAAAAAY
god, i'm so sick of this shit
i get it, there are gay people and they are gay, can you please for the love of god shut the frick up already
>His fearlessly femme identity is central to who he is
When are these fricking morons going to realize that making a character's personality their sexuality/race is not only boring, but insulting?
Probably whenever we get another perfect storm like New Warriors when they get blowback from even the people they try to pander to
We sorta got that from the Miles What-If: Thor comic, at least in terms of a character's race being their whole personality.
I feel like that's not going to deter people from continuing that trend, however.
Why does it feel like we have an unpaid Marvel intern among us?
Because some anon not joining the chud echo chamber is too much for you to take i guess
Man, Lowe doesn’t give you any breaks, does he? Are you the same intern that was all “akchually, it’s not racist, chud” in Miles-Thor threads?
I live in your walls
He pays you so little you have to break into someone else’s property just for shelter?! Poor thing, working for Lowe AND doing it almost for free. No self-respect at all!
>Why does it feel like we have an unpaid Marvel intern among us?
How do you think we got that letter in America Chavez's book?
Xe wasn’t doing xir job very well so our little prank went unnoticed till the very publication?
Forget being gay, let's talk about a serious question...
WHY ANOTHER FRICKING SPIDER CHARACTER?! HOLY SHIT
ITSV is the Sonic subsection of the fanbase, if you can even call secondaries that.
Strange, Since most gay dudes fap to Venom.
Gay dudes have degenerate fetishes so of course Venom is right up their alley
>muscle
>latex/living latex
>some mc/corruption
>monster
But straight guys find symbiotes hot too, other than (sometimes) the muscle.
>Marvel introduces its first PLEASE GOD BUY THIS COMIC OR AT LEAST TALK ABOUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA Spider-Man as the latest Spider-Verse Variant
Nah lol
It'd be nice to have a male gay character that isn't a femme or a twink.
Rictor, Shatterstar
>Inb4 doesn't count
Straight people are born when their are raped by their mothers
>Inb4 i wasn't raped by mom
Yeah you was, you just forgot it because it's a traumatic memory
I don't think it's only "the privacy of their homes".
here come the snowflakes crying about gays
Notice how fast he posts, with pics and links from his designed anti gay folder. What a sick individual
>Cinemaphile is one person
Yeah, that poster is one person, that also samegays a lot and talks to himself
Look at Miles Morales as Thor to get a clue about how the type of people who write this stuff think.
Meant for
Like what? Flamboyant gay people do exist, why are you so ardent to erase any semblance of them? If this was the 90s when that was the entire stereotype you might have a point but this is 2022. There is space and room for all kinds of gay people in media, and flamboyant ones aren’t exactly oversaturating the market.
Wow, why can’t milescucks come up with their own name?
>You assume everyone was raped as a kid
But you were the first to bring child rape up, so i guess you and your straight friends were all molested by your parents, so you project and assume it happens to everyone around you.
What tantrum?
Huh, but you got raped by your mother, anon. That's why you are straight. That's how sexuality works
I was just being a c**t when I made the tantrum comment, but he really IS throwing a childlike fit. Holy frick.
It's quite obvious you spam all those pics with the usual /misc/ nonsense. I've seen all this stuff a million times already.
>Marvel introduces its first Gay Spider-Man
Will this never end?
Miles getting the Iceman treatment.
>explicitly femme
That's kind of nice, I guess. My biggest complaint about gay representation in Western shit is that femme dudes get zero love. I'm sure he'll still be some scruffy brown dude instead of a cute twink though.
Something tells me he will be black.
>That's kind of nice, I guess. My biggest complaint about gay representation in Western shit is that femme dudes get zero love.
Are you serious?
Will it be American Chavez 2?
>all those homophobic pics were, in fact, posted by one person
Lol, /misc/acks just physically cannot not lie, lying is in their veins
He was also samegayging a bit.
>Marvel's first gay Spider-Man, Web-Weaver
>Fashion Designer
Ya know it could have been legitimately interesting an alternate Peter Parker who was gay but everything else was the same. Leave it to marvel to do a very outdated stereotype instead. You'd think they would have learned from the recent Miles/Thor thing.
It's so he can "weave", you silly willy. Clothes and spider thread, it's a very apparent gimmick. Besides he's clearly meant to be more stereotypical so yeah he's a fem gay into fashion. Those exist, it's not representation that's setting us back 20 years or nothin.
>Captcha: 20ASS
Honestly though the Web Weaver design is actually alright. That Spider-Woman design is mediocre at best.
Let's talk about Anya's new costume instead
tom holland spiderman is going to be in this?
I still don’t get what’s those canisters tied to her belt is suppose to be?
I hope something to do with her Carapace
Maybe she can change the shape/material by opening the jars
Kinda reminds me of that lake redesign they gave 2099, so I almost dislike it on principle.
A little poncho, really?
Nice to see the hunter's tattoo back.
But hasn't Miles existed for a decade?
Can we have a Superman/Spider-Man crossover where they spend the entire issue buttfricking and sucking dick and cumming in their asses and eating cum? It’s the only proper way for both companies to celebrate Pride month without being bigots.
It’s really nice when they tell us months ahead of time that theirs nothing of value in the comics they’re making. Nothing about the character or what he means to the overall plot or what his relationship with peter is, nope it’s just “this character sucks dicks”
This gives new meaning to Spider-Man being a bug catcher.
Huh, thread's still up.
Femme Gay man costume eyelashes still beat by father Green Goblin. What did Marvel mean by this?
If he's like pic related, I won't mind him.
Nah. Definitively not. If they made him like our Durian, then it would've been a massive plus.
ok he's gay, but why did they draw him like a gay?
Why is it so effiminate, I don't get it.
Straight spider-man isn't super macho or anything.
Why not just turn the original Peter into a homosexual? That's the endgoal anyway. Simply wasting time here.
Likely someone at The Mouse with actual business sense is vetoing them because he's their Batman-tier "always sells" character who needs to stay on-brand.
I heard Stan Lee himself said no. Kind of hard for Disney to argue on something like that with a creative as influential as Lee and say Disney isn't messing with Marvel
They have documents that prevent them from doing that and a bunch of other shit with Peter (like how he can't drink alcohol/smoke unless he's bonded to the symbiote)
> he can't drink alcohol
And yet there’s a page in Clone Saga where he shares beer with Ben (and soda for pregnant MJ). Also, he drinks with Logan in the end of more recent zombie what-if mini, what’s-its-name.
He can't drink if he's canon underage
Peter hasn't been underage for a while I think. Cartoons and movies go to that status quo for familiarity, but he's been able to get married for god's sake.
Those notes are for Sony and what they are allowed to do and not do with Peter Parker/Spider-Man. Internally at Marvel Comics they can editorially do whatever they want.
Shame they made him a gay instead of a Gay.
Not all gay people are hilariously over the top and flamboyant. You can be gay and not let it drip from every pore of your identity.
ah yes, a comic about superhero where the lead character and main focus of the book, isn't mainly a superhero doing superhero thing, but rather a fem gay who is a super hero on the side. Briliant, just what every superhero fan wants to read and collect.
>he can't -- and shouldn't -- represent ALL gay men
well he's going to. these morons seem dead set on returning gays to the hateful and harmful stereotypes of the 1950s
All you're doing is basically demand that gay people shouldn't be noticeable at all. It's stupid as frick. Some people are more out and about the fact they're gay. That's a fact
Because normal gay people, like me, are impossible to distinguish for people who are not gay. The idea that to be gay you have to "luv" the art, fashion and run around with rainbow hair and a plug up your ass, is not what we were fighting for in the 80s and 90s.
Hey moron, you do not represent all gay people. Some are more flamboyant than you. Deal with it. They exist. They get to be portrayed in media as well. There's a wide selection of different types of gays in media now, so it's not stereotyping like it was forty, fifty years ago. Stop being a whiny little girl when everything isn't about placating your tastes.
You will get us all killed or take us back to the 1950-60s. Well I will probably be dead by then, but it won't be good for young gay people.
>NOOOOO I HAVE TO BE INVISIBLE TO BE SAFE
Then why not stay in the closet and live afraid? Because that's what you seem to want.
It seems like he just wants to be treated like a normal human being and not some sideshow freak
Which, you know, was kind of the whole point of the movement.
What about the pride parades? Those get pretty damn fruity to an almost fetishistic degree,
Yes they do... now. But back in the day it was to show that yes they were gay but they were just like everyone else. Then, much like the movement as a whole it got co-opted by attention seekers who wanted to let their freak flag fly and became what it is now.
>But back in the day it was to show that yes they were gay but they were just like everyone else
And they are still that. You just now cry when they actually do and talk about gay stuff and issues.
Which gay issue is this gentleman talking about?
How is he not being treated like a normal being if a fricking alt. Spider-man who is gay has a flamboyant costume? It has zero impact yet this guy is crying out of his man-panties that he's now going to get murdered if every fictional gay character is not borderline invisible and straight passing.
Yes.
So afraid. You didn't have to live through the AIDS epydemic. You don't know what and how it is when being a male homosexual was a crime, specialy when your daddy isn't a influancial person. We walked in marches to show people that we are the same as them, that there is nothing to fear or be disgusted about us. You on the other hand make me sick. Pride was about comemorating people that died, not about walking nude in front of children and getting fisted on platforms.
check how they looked like in the 80s.
Ah, so you’re an angry, out of touch, old gay guy whining about kids of today while bemoaning how he isn’t comfortable seeing other people being freer to express their sexuality during Pride. Sad.
And you're going to be responsible for every single gay man being associated with being an aids ridden crossdressing pedophile for generations to come just like they did for decades before
Which was something that old gay guy fought desperately to prevent
Oh yes, that’s all on me for thinking let people be whatever they want to be, flamboyant or square. Gays should be forced back to the closet and pretend to be utterly straight so that nobody can suspect their real sexual orientation. Mandatory fear based repression needs to come back to appease a bitter frick who can’t do anything better but to protest how other gay people dress and act in public.
At least you admit you and people like you set the entire movement back to square one
Fun fact. Effeminate gays have existed for hundreds of years. Liberace was diagnosed with aids 18 months before he died and he existed most of the 80s.
Pride parades are held everywhere including countries where being gay is still illegal.
Gatekeeping modern members of the comminity helps no-one but weirdo who get off on that and think it's more widespread than it is and bigots who think the propaganda is real. You aren't trying to hurt anyone but you are parroting some interesting things as if they're facts. You'll find strippers and other weirdos existed in the 80s too.
You act like things not being as bad as they were is a crime. Resentment does not win arguments.
Liberace pretended to be straight all his live, till his day of death, and for many years after it, my polish homie was 100% publicaly straight. You know that ain't what I am talking about.
Gay men in the past were the men to follow. Smart, educated, proper attired. Now I see a young man come work straight out of school, technicaly the same degree as me. But he has metal shit on his face, blue hair, looks like a wierdo or a man prostitute. Entitled as if he and is ilk were the highest echelon of culture. Doesn't want to work, doesn't take orders from anyone, can't be told he is wrong. Calls people that fought for equality in the 70-80s "homopbobic".
The wierdos should start acting like normal citizents, Making being gay the core of your being is insanity. My generation had poets, singers, soldiers, but also working class dudes. Those were the things that made us interesting, the expiriance of life made us useful to everyone, including non gay people. What do the "rainbow hairs" have to give to the regular society. I am a teacher, a scenographer, a specialists regarding early XIXth century german theater.
What do you know of fear? In the 70s you were beaten by police, you could get killed for being gay. Yet we still "fought" the fight, and we were the ones that won it. The life we gave the next generations of gay men, wasn't given to waste it or make it worse for future generations.
The only thing I am fearful of are the next generations of gay men, that will come after you.
They want litteral segregation, Older guy are leaving the organisation, they founded, because in our organisation Trans, Fem and wierd becomes more important then being a regular gay guy.
>abloo bloo bloo these goddamn kids today why in my day blah blah blah I’m old an bitter frick you my generation was the best!
OK boomer. Now would you please stop shouting at the sky, and frick off with your out of date moralizing. You’re an old entitled prick. You’re just as bad as the conservatives who shat on you for wearing jeans and slightly longer hair.
This 'article' is 21 years old but still curiously relevant, especially to this Spider-Man
https://www.theonion.com/gay-pride-parade-sets-mainstream-acceptance-of-gays-bac-1819566014
Wearing dresses and being femme is NOT "being more out about being gay" the fact that you think that just goes to prove my point entirely
Not every gay person is kurt hummel from Glee and not every gay person is a femme drag queen. The fact that those are their main forms of representation are as harmful as the conservative stereotype that all gays are pedophiles and groomers
>The fact that those are their main forms of representation
They are not. But what they are is a valid way to portray gay people too because they do exist. You just want to restrict gay characters to be bland conservative milktoast versions.
>They are not
They literally are if there's any gay representation that isn't lesbians it's usually some twink drag queen and when it isn't it's some one second throwaway line or kiss
>Steve Foxe
pass
plot twist this guy is incredibly manly in his day job and only becomes super homosexual when he fights crime
His day job as a fashion designer?
I think there was a show about this. She-Zow I think the name was?
that was a transvestite, this guy is just fabulous
The moment he out-camps the prominent false eyelash wearing, nail polish painting, onesie and occasional muscle showing, disco dancing straight guy(who is the grandfather of two children!!!), we can talk about whether the first gay Spider-Man is too femme. He's got a long way to go.
>let's make miles Thor
>*shoves every racial stereotype into the book
>let's make spiderman gay
>cover is a obviously "gay" man, not a normal person
Why can't they just be normal people bros? What does marvel mean by this
'he's just a normal spider man, but fricks a male gwen stacy' is a really boring premise
you'd need to make a new premise(jungle spider man. god spider man. chef spider man) and add the gay thing on to make it work if you wanted normal homosexual spidey
You do realise insisting that everyone is always depicted as bland and carbon copy vanilla as possible is exactly what you whine against all the time? And it's kinda racist and bigoted to demand that every minority character is basically a pallet swapped white guy in bland as frick blue jeans and white t-shirt, and if it isn't it's wrong.
It's just moronic to depict every gay man as a flamboyant twink character. I have 3 gay friends and none of them act like this and think it's moronic. A characters sexuality shouldn't be a personality trait. Hammerlock on borderlands 2 mentions he has a husband in a line of dialog and it wasn't hated because he was just a normal (by borderlands standards lol) guy
oh jesus christ youre serious
>Hammerlock on borderlands 2 mentions he has a husband in a line of dialog and it wasn't hated because he was just a normal (by borderlands standards lol) guy
It wasn't hated because Borderlands 2 was lucky enough to come out 4 years before the anti-sjws lost their minds and started whining about every single thing
You're a moron if you think people, especially you're average FPS gamer want homophobic back then
I never said they should hide themselves moron. I'm saying if the goal is normalization, then show normal everyday people. Not a characature of what marvel thinks a gay man is. DC does gay characters way frickinf better than this bullshit
I didn't say they weren't homophobic back then I said they didn't whine as much
Ok theml, why didn't people complain when the character was in borderlands 3? And this time they even introduced you to his husband and thier love is a whole misson? Nobody complained then moron, because they were presented as normal people. Came out in 2019
Because no one played Borderlands 3 and the ones that did had 50 other things to complain about first
You seriously think the losere who whined for YEARS about two cis women wouldn't cry about a gay guy because he was straight acting?
>no one played borderlands 3
Lmao what fricking cope. That game sold very well moron. People had every reason to shit on 3 with the epic game store bullshit but didn't say a word about the gay character. You're speaking out of your ass
>sold 14 million units from launch in Nov 19' to Oct 21'
You know this info is easily available right? You're not even worth arguing with
>14 million in 2 years
Do you think that's a lot?
It's a AAA developers biggest selling game yet. And borderlands is a pretty fricking popular franchise. Do you think it's not a lot?
>It's a AAA developers biggest selling game yet
That's not what your picture says at all.
>And borderlands is a pretty fricking popular franchise.
How much did Tiny Tina's Wonderlands make?
>Do you think it's not a lot?
I think that since you like to do research on game sales to prove points on the internet the least you could do is maybe look up some other big games and how many units they sold
>NOBODY played it, well except 14 million people
>how much did a spin off that's basically a dlc make?
If you read the earnings report, it did way better than they expected actually.
>gta sold more copies than that so its not a lot
14 million is a lot moron. It doesn't matter how you try to spin it. Again this is all easily researchable information
>I'm saying if the goal is normalization, then show normal everyday people
They do that, and you still freak out the second someone is slightly more flamboyant.
Ok then, like the other anon just asked, give one recent example of this
I'll do you one better. Have a fricking psychological study.
Link the study moron lmfao
Click the link sweetie.
>reremoron
learn a new word
this is right. even this board liked lesbos back then. instead of instictively reeeing
i always liked those old silver age comics where viewers sent in outfits and they were featured. they'd never do that these days.
>It's just moronic to depict every gay man as a flamboyant twink character
They aren't. Maybe expand whatever your narrow exposure to media is if you think this. This sounds entirely like your own bubble problem than any type of old stereotype is being used too much, and just wanting gays to hide themselves outside of incidentally having a same sex partner you never see more than a second, so that the gayness isn't TOO ON THE NOSE for people.
Feel free to point to examples where that isn't the case... outside of gay porn obviously
Off the top of my head, there's that Black person crime show The Wire, Omar the guy who steals from other criminals. But admittedly his gay lovers are pretty minor characters and at least one of them was a twink.
>he can only name one and its a criminal, murderer, loser from a show that came out pre modern sjw era
Great example. Such a normal person
Different anon man. I just noticed you asked for an example of a gay guy who wasn't flamboyant and wanted to throw something so your question didn't get ignored.
That's not me but it would have been fine to ignore my question
plus he kinda has a point if The Wire were made today would Omar be Omar or would he be like the kid from Sex Education and as you said while he wasn't a twink stereotype at least one of the guys he was with was
If makeup is all it takes to make a person a stereotype I guess I am too. I don't even consider myself flamboyant and I'm wearing a teal shirt with silver sequins.
The gay guys in 911 Lone Star
The gay guys in Grey's Anatomy
The gay guys in Station 19
The gay guys in Teen Wolf
The gay guys in Legacies
The gay guys in General Hospital
The gay guys in Spartacus
Do I have to go on? You have to be living in a bubble if you don't think the Bast majority of queer men in media aren't Masc4Masc
>he didnt watch all 5000 epsidoes of greys anatomy to know about "the guys"
moron give us actual examples so we can discuss. Do you think I'd actually watch teen wolf or general hospital?
>The gay guys in Grey's Anatomy
>The gay guys in Teen Wolf
>The gay guys in Legacies
>The gay guys in Spartacus
I asked for examples where it WASN'T the case. Not even going to bother with the soap operas
I think you're not looking at how a couple of these compare to their straight counterparts
Captain Singh from Flash. Pied Piper wasn't particularly in your face gay either. Kevin Keller on Riverdale. I forget his name but on Hacks the gay black guy working for Jean Smart is very straightlaced and professional, one point even gets mistaken for the husband of the other leading actress when they're at a fair. Michael K. Williams' character in Lovecraft Country. Pose had multiple different gay and trans characters depicted differently, from a young gay guy into dance to b***hy queen emcee played by Billy Porter.
>le normal is le setting on le washing machine xd
Oh boy. I can't wait for Youngrippa, Nerderotic, Midnight Edge, and the Quartering to make very positive videos about this.
Still not as effeminate as this guy
We should do whatever they used to do with Hawkeye but just showing gobby shit. We don't even know what he'll act like in and out of costume yet!
Continued because I've been insulted to my face by other gay men for this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2902177/
Feel free to read the rest of it
If they lean into the fashion design aspect they could go with a "new outfit every arc" gimmick, though that might get exhausted at some point.
The only people allowed to be effeminate are the straight villains is what I'm getting from this reactionary bullshit.
Wait till more people learn about queer coding and then we can see people throwing tantrums about that on a regular basis.
Like the Jurassic Park raptors learning how to open the doors, I swear. We should have more effeminate heroes to balance out the villains. Not make them as clean and sanitised as possible
>muh coding
you're allowed to say 'i miss the stereotypes' and not pussyfoot around it
When he shoots his web does glitter come out with it?
>gay spiderman
so... does he spin webs from his wrist? or...?
Why can't he be just a theatrical more ''flamboyant'' spider-man in and of itself? Why are Americans so obsessed with immediately linking it to sexual orientation? If he still happens to be gay somewhere down the line, who cares.
I thought Miles was the first gay Spider-Man
Frick another fricking spider homosexual ruining the gimmick of a spider powered guy. Costume looks fabulous as frick though, that collar is fantastic so I'll let it slide.
I am a black guy and I want my own Spider themed individual to see myself as. He will be a black Spiderman. His name will be Marcel Morale and he's gonna be bit by that same spider who bit Peter. He's gonna have organic web and electric powers and be able to go invisible and frick it he is going to be able to whip out four more arms at will. Calling him Recluse or something, hire me now Marvel.
HOW MANY MORE FRICKING SPIDER-PEOPLE DO WE NEED AAAAAAAA