From reputable insider Daniel Richtman.
>Marvel is very confident about Deadpool 3 and it will be their only movie of 2024.
>Deadpool 3, Fantastic Four, Shang-Chi 2 and Spider-Man 4 will set up Avengers: Secret Wars.
>Shang-Chi 2 and Spider-Man 4 will start production in 2024-2025.
>New seasons of Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk with a higher episode count have been discussed.
>Eternals 2, Doctor Strange 3, Black Panther 3 and Thor 5 are in development, some probably only coming after the Multiverse Saga.
>WandaVision creator Jac Schaeffer is eyed to write and direct a Scarlet Witch solo movie.
>Sam Raimi and Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead are among the directors considered for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars.
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>Eternals 2
financial suicide
It did decent numbers for a pandemic movie, and the popular discourse was just that it was boring rather than BAD. If previous releases restore MCU goodwill and they make it shorter, lighter and more action-packed, it could do well.
Shave off half an hour from Eternals and it would have done a good bit better.
Aside from the She-hulk S2 this doesn't seem completely horrible.
>could do well
You mean if done less homosexual.
But then Jolie would refuse to sign.
>A five-second gay kiss? AAAAAAAAHHHHHH I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAAAAANEEEEEEEE
Yes, and most of the world agrees
>appeal to the authority of bugmen and poos
lol
It bombed, moron
Like I bombed your dad last night.
He enjoyed it
>unironically a homo
drop dead
>NNNNNNNOOOOO homosexualS ARE OPPRESSED NNNNNNNNOOOOO
Well I mean it lost them upwards of $50m at the box office
>Shang-Chi 2 and Spider-Man 4 will set up Avengers: Secret Wars
Fricking how
...
fricking why
As well as Thor 5
Love and Thunder made more money domestically than Ragnarok, and reached $750M globally without China.
Yeah but it had a highier budget, meaning it made less money than 3.
They are apparently attempting to make a Captain Marvel 3. Financial suicide seems to be the current strategy.
creator Jac Schaeffer is eyed to write and direct a Scarlet Witch solo movie.
HE DOESN'T READ THE SOURCE MATERIAL !!!!!!
>HE DOESN'T READ THE SOURCE MATERIAL
This isn't a bad thing. Whenever anyone does look at the source material for Wanda, they inevitably turn out to be morons who gravitate to the worst crap in her history.
What about Captain Marvel 3?
Canceled, Brie is let go and Carol's absence only gets a one-off line in Kang Dynasty.
>Carol's absence only gets a one-off line in Kang Dynasty.
>a line about her leaving Earth to marry Kang's son who is also Carol's son
>she-hulk
>eternals
>shangchi
flopbros, we eating good tonight
It was a pandemic success
Which is PR speak for "flop"
No, it was a success during the pandemic
He also mentioned:
> The "special presentations" on Disney+ are being called off because nobody watched the first two. The "Witch's Road" presentation they shot with the Agatha show will be shown but handled in a different way.
> They still want Young Avengers to be a movie but they haven't decided whether it will be Avengers: Children's Crusade or something else.
Werewolf by Night was the best thing in the MCU for fricking years, why didn't people watch it?
Because it's on Disney+ so the only people who are going to even be aware of it are the people already following MCU. I actually like recommending it and Moon Knight to people who aren't up to date on MCU stuff but have Disney+ because they're stand alone. However the public opinion is that all of the Disney+ stuff have some required watching material, which is sadly true for the most part. The average viewer stopped at the first Avengers because they didn't want to watch two movies a year
>> They still want Young Avengers to be a movie but they haven't decided whether it will be Avengers: Children's Crusade or something else.
This is going to bomb
>The "special presentations" on Disney+ are being called off because nobody watched the first two.
Which was the other one besides Werewolf? The Guardians Christmass Special?
Yeah, apparently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Studios_Special_Presentations
Takes more time to read Wikipedia's entry than to watch the total number of Marvel Special Presentations.
So they're moronic, werewolf was the most MCU feeling thing they made. moronic
they should de-canonize iron fist and the defenders and then re-do iron fist as a movie. Find the dirtiest alleyways you can in the poorest Asian country that will let you film and just have Danny beating the frick out of people and getting his ass kicked in kind. Film it on a camera from the 70s and pay the extras enough that they don't hold back. Cast an unknown white guy who actually learns how to fight and works out a little bit as Danny.
>they should de-canonize iron fist and the defenders and then re-do iron fist as a movie.
Its very likely Iron Fist and Luke Cage are going to get hard rebooted whenever they come to the MCU
>Eternals 2
Fake
They're developing a licensed Metroid comic and cartoon with Nintendo Pictures.
>Samus getting the Carol Manvers treatment
please god no
>a bunch of stuff that may or may not happen
Wow, these leaks are incredible!!
>Scarlet Witch movie and not WandaVision movie
What did I do wrong god?
Even if he's not in the movie's title, Vision needs to be in it, needs to be the love interest, and it needs to finally give their story a happy ending.
>Vision needs to be in it
He won't be.
>let's make a Scarlet Witch movie and not give the fans what they want
Great plan.
Well, Schaeffer's next assignment after Agatha is a Vision show, and she's the one who made them world-famous as a couple, so on the comics principle that writers only care about referring back to their own work, he might be there.
Not that any of this is even guaranteed (though after The Marvels it's pretty much either do a Scarlet Witch movie or give up on female headliners in superhero movies, I just think Disney will lean toward the latter).
Why are yall homies obsessed with this relationship? He died. There's white vision but he has none of the emotions of the original. Let Wanda move on if they even bring her back without further fricking her over.
That line about Vision being "the piece of the mind stone that lives in me" does seem to set up how he will eventually come back, though. Wanda's magic could re-create Vision's soul but not his memories, the White Vision has all Vision's memories but not his soul.
I have no idea if they'll actually end up going there, but that's the ending they foreshadowed.
What are they supposed to do with Wanda? Besides enslaving and mentally torturing a whole town, she's a mass murderer in both this dimension and other dimensions. This isn't a Winter Soldier situation, she did it all of her own free will.
I guess they'll have to find some way to bring her back, the comics did, but it's going to be tough.
However they can probably use the "evil book makes you evil" bullshit to write off the multiversal murder spree and then send her on an apology tour or whatever. (They could also replace her with another version of her, but no one cares about alternate versions and I find it hard to believe even Marvel would be that stupid.)
The logical thing to do would have been not to do the mass-murder story at all. Instead they figured they had to do it because "it was in the comics" and now they can't use their most popular female character in anything until it's fixed.
Wandagay tears literally eternal.
I'm not mad now KYS
Which is an interesting belief in its own right. It makes you suspect the supposedly knowledgeable people making the high-level decisions didn't actually read the material either, because that isn't what disassembled and hom were about, and we don't even have to mention later developments that distanced her further from responsibility and had everyone but the X-office dipshits get over it.
I mean they rarely adapt stories the way they happened in the comics. But because the 2000s is Feige's frame of reference for almost every Marvel character, their idea for the essential Scarlet Witch stories is she must snap and create a fake reality (House of M) and she must go crazy and kill people because she wants babies (Avengers Disassembled).
They didn't even do it in the same order as the comics, but what we saw in 2021/2 was one team trying to make a better version of House of M, and another team making an Avengers Disassembled that's even dumber than the original.
This is why I agree with people who think Schaeffer's open lack of interest in comics is probably an advantage.
Yes, the fact that Wandavision was a relatively successful, if abstract, take on House of M and they then fricked it all up is what bugs me most. So much of the dumb shit could have been avoided. Schaeffer may not have known comics inside and out, but she had a pretty clear idea of what the story was going to do and didn't just randomly make up whatever bullshit like the movie guy. It even ended with the character in approximately the right position for further development.
The town stuff could be chalked up to grief born freaky power awakening. It was still rough but can be salvaged. The morons at Marvel however looked at a multiverse movie and went yeah lets make the main Wanda a fricking psychotic mass murderer with no focus on the super demon book corrupting her. In a perfect world its an au Wanda whose killing people and our Wanda had to stop her while getting a harsh look at the horror she could become. In a less perfect world they make it very fricking clear its Chthon and the Darkhold affecting her but they didn't even do that right. So a bunch of the audience probably thinks she's a fricking psycho because Vision died.
Anon, you're being angry at the character and not at the idiots who wrote her doing that. If Disney want to bring her back, they're going to have to find some way to handwave or retcon that.
>Why are yall homies obsessed with this relationship?
>in a franchise full of quips and jokes, why do you like the sincere, wholesome love between a witch and an android?
If you don't get it you'll never get it.
>There's white vision but he has none of the emotions of the original.
>That was a short term plot in the comics, so the movies have to copy it, but permanently
Why are you like this?
>Let Wanda move on
Let's stop repeating bad ideas the comics had. Trying to erase her robosexuality to make her more palatable to people like you just led to a lot of awful comics. Finish the story and give us a happy ending for them both. If Disney can't or won't do that they've failed at their job of being Disney.
>It makes you suspect the supposedly knowledgeable people making the high-level decisions didn't actually read the material either, because that isn't what disassembled and hom were about
This is obvious by how Wanda in MoM becoming a villain who fights superheroes and has villain schemes is like a third-hand misinterpretation of what happened to her in the comics.
They can pull a Children's Crusade.
>hey guys, i'm back and i'm good now
>but didn't you kill all those people because of a book and some babies
>no, that was all doom
>what
>DOOOOOOOOM
why does she need to be good?
if disney wants to subvert expectations make a villain movie for once.
Putting aside a few weak movies getting weird sequels, these plans are better than what they’ve been doing since covid.
>She-Hulk with a higher episode count have been discussed.
This show is universally hated. Why are they doing this?
>This show is universally hated.
You are mistaking Cinemaphile for the real world again.
Probably because they're giving up on limited series and trying to do traditional multi-season shows, and She-Hulk is one of the few shows they have that fits that format.
The show was a mess in part because Feige assigned one of his Rick & Morty writers to run a staff of writers who had no idea how to write a law show. In theory, hiring a real showrunner to do the "comedic law procedural set in the MCU" could work.
I said "in theory."
>law procedural
Nobody wants that either.
Harvey Birdman applied the formula successfully.
Harvey Birdman is the single most overrated Adult Swim original besides Robot Chicken and there's reason there was barely any court shit in Byrne's run.
Frick Slott and frick court "comedy" for wine aunts.
If you liked Xavier Renegade Angel then we have nothing but blows to trade.
I will when I see the next season of Daredevil.
I am laughing in disbelief.
This is assuming 66% share of domestic box office and 33% share of international.
oops, I cut the column titles.
Budget / Domestic / International / Studio Cut / Net / ROI
>Net / ROI
What are those?
Net is the amount that you've made after you subtract your expenses and taxes.
ROI is return on investment. It'd be the ratio of the budget and the net profit.
MCU's dedication to destroying female characters is kinda impressive.
It's especially impressive they even destroy the ones they want to prop up. Like look at how Carol acted in Endgame and compare her to the emotional shambles she is in The Marvels, was all that bravado just her desperately fronting?
It's worse than that. I think there was a way to adapt Carol well and neither of her movies were that, like they went out of the way to make her as unlikable and boring as possible.
Same with She-Hulk. Smug unlikable c**t who never faces any serious challenges and never encounters a villain she struggles against is not something that's fun to watch. There's plenty to pick from in Marvel comics and what they went with was "sexist redditor strawman of our critics".
Lady Sif was one character who was pretty well-liked and she's consistently shafted.
And then there's character assassinations.
You have Wanda obviously, you have Sharon Carter who's a psychopath now.
If you count Netflix shows as canon, MCU's Hellcat is Punisher-lite edgelord who's in prison now because she enjoys killing too much.
Agreed. Of all the things they could have had Bruce's cousin say to him, they just HAD to go with "I'm better at dealing with anger issues than you"
>Lady Sif
Their handling of her character is just baffling. You have a READY MADE strong female character with a personal connection to Thor, and they sideline her so much it's like someone has a personal grudge against the actress or something. Even after Thor and Jane broke up they're STILL keeping him and Sif apart. Did they crave Natalie Portman's star power that much?
>Hellcat is Punisher-lie now
Damn, and I thought Sharon Carter got it bad.
That was an attempt to course correct when they realized they'd made a Strong Woman instead of a good female character who is a strong woman.
Well they succeeded in doing neither because what they ended up with is a hollow shell of a person that did one thing, never bothered to do anything else and spent decades being too stupid to figure out her own powers.
There was exactly ONE scene in that movie where Captain Marvel seemed like she had any promise as a character, and it was the training montage where she learns to switch effectively with Monica and Kamala. The problem is, like all the other emotional beats the movie tries to rush past into the next HAHA GAG or ACTION SCENE as quickly as possible while brushing over every flaw and consequence. The takeaway being less like Carol has grown as a person and more like she's too incompetent to deal with her vulnerabilities except by charging blindly at something else.
Because the flipside of thinking a Strong Woman is a good way to write women is also thinking women who aren't Strong Women are disaster areas.
When someone hands out that old advice to write a male character and then make it a woman, what they're really saying is "write a normal person with normal issues instead of the caricature you think women have to be."
>more like she's too incompetent to deal with her vulnerabilities except by charging blindly at something else
but that's a well-established character trait of hers
I hate fact that they made the one legacy character that I wanted to see, Cassie Lang, into someone too unlikeable during her grand debut. Plus the recast just left a bitter taste in my mouth, felt like I was watching a new character.
I barely know anything about Cassie but seriously, she's not at all recognisable as Scott's daughter even accounting for growing up. What kind of shitty teenager blames her SUPERHERO FATHER for not living up to her dumb expectations? Is that supposed to be relatable?
It's like they did a 180° on her previous characterization and used the fact that she's a teen as an excuse, plus events that happened off-screen to justify this new development but there's no time to properly explore any of that because Kang and the QR hit the fan so it's just a way to force some form of conflict between Cassie and Scott.
>What kind of shitty teenager blames her SUPERHERO FATHER for not living up to her dumb expectations?
Yeah, this one really bugs the hell out of me. Dude played a major role in saving the universe so he decided to chill and take it easy by just attending some book signings, probably live off royalties. And the cast treat him like he's a deadbeat or something. It's bullshit.
>New seasons of She-Hulk with a higher episode count have been discussed.
More, please.
>Fantastic Four [...] will set up Avengers: Secret Wars.
Please, Marvel. Just put it on the shelf until you've casted a new Reed and Kang.
>New seasons of Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk with a higher episode count have been discussed.
Yes to the first two, no to She-Hulk. In fact, make it so She-Hulk never happened and start fresh.