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Episode 2 was pretty good, not as fun as Episode 1 but hard to beat a Nebula-centric episode.
Would've preferred someone like Heimdall or SIF over Thor but still fun.
Episode 1 was boring, fun concept but no stakes at all.
I wanted to skip the first episode because the premise sounded boring but it was pretty fun
This is true though
Episode 2 should have been called "What If... Peter Quill cucked Scott Lang?"
Eh, I thought it was cute. Maybe Hope will actually have a kid in this universe.
I thought the part where they managed to get trough to Bucky was pretty good as well.
I really feel like these episodes should be around 40-50 minutes, the scenes need more time to breathe. The scenarios are interesting but it they're always speedrunning through the.
In that spirit they´re weirdly in touch with the comics then that for most What Ifs are contained to one, no? Thats always a thing i noticed between those and the Tales from the Dark Multiverse DC did.
Better ship to be honest
More of a adopted sibling relationship to be honest.
b***h please, you know they are fricking.
No, I don't think they will.
Is it just me or is this show going out of the way to have as unsatisfying and abrupt endings as possible?
ANTS
I just sae S2 E1 today
Nebula really works as a noir detective. I love me some Howard the duck, and the fact he called his henchmen rock, paper, scissors was genuinely funny. Color me surprised that when she needed a lock smith it wasn't Rocket. At first I thought it eas going to be men le bad woman le good but glad they went the ending they did.
S2E2 is even better.
Yeah, it was. For once actually had me liking Black Panther. Although I was too hard on Chadwick Bozeman and I'm sorry for that. Who was gaint man? Honestly nice seeing Thor just be more straight up Thor without having to change or be a party animal.
>who was giant man?
Young version of the OG Stature. Pic related.
Goliath, who made his first appearance in Antman & The Wasp.
>Honestly nice seeing Thor just be more straight up Thor without having to change or be a party animal.
It's more OOC to be honest, 80s Thor should have loved that Quill genocided Jotunheim since the first Thor movie's plot was kicked off by him starting an international incident by killing Ice Giants for fun.
This Thor already lost his home, and possibly his family. It makes sense that he's a bit more mature.
lol, more women fully dressed, acting like a man
no curves allowed at all, totally based on the MCU, even in other universes, women need to look, act and dress conservatively and the X-Men 97 is going the same way as the Madelyne Prior toy shows she was wearing a black military outfit like the MCU, they take the elements that make comics fantastical and surreal and put a realistic stripe and woke on top, Marvel comics died for this just like the MCU, this cartoon will meet the same fate.
just make your move Musk
Goddamn the seething is strong in this post. I'm surprised you didn't complain about there being black people on screen.
Also I just looked up that Madelyne Prior toy, what shit are you smoking where THIS is a military outfit?
i just hate women
So do your parents know that you're gay?
That's probably about as close they could get to her stripper look from the comics in a kid's show.
I'm honestly surprised they even gave her a boob window. I like that she gets the thigh high boots.
that baby is frightening
Agreed and frick any of the homosexuals who disagree with you. Preemptive KYS to any moron who quotes me with bullshit.
Shut up redditor LOL take your coombrain bullshit elsewhere you failed abortion
Why you bring Musk into your rant? Kek
Rightoids probably think musk is jockeying to save western society or something, “just make your move”, kek
It’s amazing the turnover rate of their conspiracy garbage these days because literally nothing they come up with has any sanity at all, so they just move on to the next thing in a day or two because even they can’t take it seriously
>more women fully dressed
Coomers need to be euthanized. Imagine getting upset because a cartoon has fully dressed women in it instead of cringe outfits made to arouse 400lb neckbeards.
You're the type of person who would complain if a fantasy video game doesn't put women in chainmail bikinis and thongs.
You're a porn-addicted loser who is so addicted to cooming that he can't handle watching anything that isn't at least softcore. You're pathetic.
>women need to look, act and dress conservatively
Imagine leaning right and opposing this. You are all degenerate fricking frauds, oh my god
>coomer gayget
Many such cases
You are right and seethe you generated is awesome.
>You are right and seethe you generated is awesome.
God I love this, the second people talk about enjoying anything some homosexuals gotta' come out the woodwork and call everyone else homosexuals because this stuff is ruining the fandom or some bullshit.
I’m sorry, is this AI art having Captain Marvel shit over everyone?
Yes, probably created by that Bing AI thing.
>STOP DISLIKING WHAT I LIKE!!!
What was the input image & prompt?
>Opening their mouths when CM is taking a super shit
all those dead people lol
Well also Hammer having everyone murdered in cold blood at the party, but Tony’s just like “lol WHO’S HUNGRY?”
No one dies though
It is super heavily implied his goons kill all those hostages at the beginning. We hear a bunch of faint shooting and we don’t see them again after that
I watched season 1 and I am NOT watching season 2
There isn't a WAY I'm watching this garbage of an animated show when marvel can actually make good-looking ones like Moongirl
The animation isn't anything to write home about but it's serviceable, and the stories are better than everything else Marvel shits out these days.
>and the stories are better than everything else Marvel shits out these days
yeah no not really
I've seen almost no MCU shit besides Loki (which was arguably good), Spiderman Far from home, guardians of the galaxy 1&2, Avengers Ultron, maybe thor 1??? and What if S1, and What if was definitely on the bad side of it.
You're mentioning older stuff. All the new shows suck.
The art style bothers me. Feels girly.
It looks like AI. Not even "good" AI.
the 3D stuff is pretty wonky sometimes but their use of 2D effects in some episodes (especially the dr strange one) is genuinely great, I hope for more of that stuff this season
Art style looks uninspired to say the least and only a third of the stories of season 1 had potential and only really one realized it.
>make good-looking ones like Moongirl
Who the frick are you kidding?
It's a very stylish and energetic show, reminded me of cartoons from the 2000s
>Start watching episode 1
>What if the Nova Dome worked
>Bunch of characters that weren't even on the planet when the dome was gonna be closed like Watiti's absolute butchered Korg
I did like the Korg-Groot-Miek trio as Rock-Paper-Scissors
It was a nice understated joke
Whatever that was fun. Also quite possible they were hanging out with Howard the Duck when they put up the shield
Its as if the episode was set in an alternate universe or something
Man, why's Asgard always getting fricked in these AU's
Worf Effect.
Oh, come on. It happened again!
my one big issue with the show is the short af run time, I feel almost every episode would benefit greatly from being 5-10 minutes longer just to not rush everything. Also just me or was Sebastian Stan WAY better at voice acting here than he was in the one episode in season 1?
This is meant to be just "cheap" Disney+ fodder. It's just a month's worth of content in an endless schedule of content.
i've had the same issue since d+
it's explicitly not made for television, give these writers & showrunners as much time as they want
I doubt it would hurt the story they want to tell
Just saw episode 1
aside from a few convenient cliches, it was entertaining. I saw Glenn Close's betrayal coming a mile away, but it was enjoyable to see Nebula wrecking her shit. Although it was a bit convenient that Ronan was killed by the shield closing and he never considered using a ship to escape.
Goddamn episode 2 was so fricking cool, I'm so fricking giddy
Should have been absolutely been a movie, 88 Avengers with Hank Pym as the leader works so fricking well I don't understand why they didn't use the concept until now. Is there any chance they get a spin-off too?
Maybe a follow up next season.
Captain Carter got a lot of stuff after the what if episode so sure.
heck Agents of Atlas was created in the comics from a well done What If
First season was garbage, but this Nebula noir episode is good enough that I want a whole show
Why does the art look like shit?
Same reason your dad gapes your gay ass
You okay, anon?
I should be asking you, you're the one getting gaped by your gay dad
You have to be over 18 to post here, kid.
So when are you leaving? When your dad climbs off?
Cannot imagine getting this pressed over calling out Marvel slop.
ESL poos are all the same, don't engage them
>Why does the art look like shit?
Looks fine to me. Go watch a tranime where people with no face jump and hang in mid air while a gong sounds
It's actually sad that anons like you love animation but hate anime. The average shonen is better than this by a mile
>It's actually sad that anons like you love animation but hate anime. The average shonen is better than this by a mile
NTA but HA HA HA HA HA HA HA NO.
This show isn't perfect, but at least no one does that moronic hands-behind head nazi walk & they wear something other than their school uniforms.
NTA anon either but What If's animation is leagues above most of Japan's 3D animation, it's kind of weird how far behind they are when it comes to CGI with 2000s era tier modeling and stiffness. The only exceptions I can recall was that Lupin movie.
I kinda want to watch that Earwig movie just for the laughs.
Episode 1 I liked, it has some annoying quips that ruin a bit, but I enjoyed it.
Episode 2 is pretty good, not as good as 1 was, but good.
Hopeful for the rest.
Nebula with a Mohawk is hot.
I'm still waiting for phase 4 what ifs, not those 2 gotg borefests
Always nice to see gilf Peggy
I gave up after episode 1. The plot is just senseless stupidity piled ontop of itself for the sake of an obvious twist you only wouldn't expect because of how little sense it makes with the previous scenes.
Whats even funnier about how badly done the plot is, is that they never established that the rest of the Nova Corp, who she mowed down and killed by the dozen without blinking or caring, even knew about the plot of the person she immediately tried to spare. Lets put aside the stupidity of "Needing a cyborg(For a computer accessed by normal people all the time and has seemingly never had a cyborg access it by a corps who are all completely corrupt but also none of them have cyborg components), the short opened with that same character turning the shield on and now she needs to jump through insane hoops to get the code to turn it off. Glad all that Ronin buildup got cut off by something they could've done earlier, apparently, nevermind him surviving this in the movie itself.
I had hopes they'd turn it around but this shit is just as poorly plotted as season one. Time to wait till the end and see if any highlights appear like the Strange one from the last season.
>the rest of the Nova Corp, who she mowed down and killed by the dozen without blinking or caring, even knew about the plot of the person she immediately tried to spare.
In hindsight she really wouldn't have any way of knowing or any reason to think ALL of the Nova Corps except herself was in on the plot, for sure not the people she just up and fricking murdered walking in who would've been low level grunts on her level. And even then she tries to save the lady who just tried to stomp her into falling to her death literal seconds ago. You know, most people like to make jokes about "The hero who mows down dozens of grunts but then all of the sudden can't kill the big bad because "No, I won't kill him!", but I can't think of any movie where that actually happens, and then this one finally gives an example of that being played straight and nobody points it out.
And why the frick couldn't prime just turn off the shield herself, that made no sense. She turned it on.
The What If episodes I actually enjoy are the ones that actually seem plausible, like Stephen Strange going over the line. When you contrive a character around a premise instead of make them naturally react to the setting, like make out T'challa to have Commander Shepard-level plot dialogue options even without being raised in Wakanda's court, I just stop caring because the story clearly doesn't
I have absolutely no expectations they will explain how the Ten Rings can stand up to the most powerful gods of Asgard. I just want to see the trainwreck out of morbid curiosity.
>I have absolutely no expectations they will explain how the Ten Rings can stand up to the most powerful gods of Asgard
The same way how Hulk can stand up to Thor and Loki. The Mandarin is super strong.
Can I get an episode list?
i'm sure it's in the archive there were tons of threads just spouting off episode names
>What If... Nebula Joined the Nova Corps?
>What If... Peter Quill Attacked Earth's Mightiest Heroes?
>What If... Happy Hogan Saved Christmas?
>What If... Iron Man Crashed Into the Grandmaster?
>What If... Captain Carter Fought the Hydra Stomper?
>What If... Kahhori Reshaped the World?
>What If... Hela Found the Ten Rings?
>What If... the Avengers Assembled in 1602?
>What If... Strange Supreme Intervened?
The guy doing Tony's voice is pretty convincing as RDJ
Just finished the Tony/Sakaar episode. Dude could have fooled me for sure. Also the animation was out of this world for that one. And love that they continue to get Brolin back for Thanos even if it’s just one line.
Jeff Goldblum genuinely believed Mick Wingert was RDJ
He pretty much fooled anyone who didnt know RDJ didnt voice as Tony
I always thought Eric Loomis (EMH Iron Man) is the perfect RDJ impersonator but Mick Wingert takes that title. Loomis is still the definitive Iron Man voice though.
Too nasally for me but I haven't heard much from RDJ since Oppenheimer
Who's Kahhori?
New OC created just for this show
Basically What If the Tessaract had ended up in America before colonization and empowered some indigenous chick
>Hela and the Rings
I mean, throwing hadoukens must be fun but that's hardly an power-up for her.
That latest What If episode could have easily been a canon short set before Age of Ultron
I was actually thinking that by the end. lol
I think Hogan is stuck in his Freak form so that means anything after is def. alt universe territory. But if it weren't for that, it would've made for a nice Christmas special if they were doing that by that point.
I honestly would like to see like a New Years Episode of Happy having to be the Freak and going on some Avengers missions while waiting on Tony to figure out a cure. I also love how he brushed it off implying he didn't think that far ahead when it comes to curing someone going Hulk.
I'm only even sort of interested in the last 3, OP. Who the frick cares if Happy saves Christmas? Because the MCU sure as frick doesn't care about Happy anymore.
Kind of funny they're trying so hard to write Thanos out of the 'verse so other characters can shine, though.
Thanos appears in the 1602 episode
That's a really weird place for him to appear especially since I've never been sure how old Thanos is supposed to be in the MCU, but all will be forgiven if he shows up in a top hat and monocle or something
>The Mandarin is super strong
I saw Shang-Chi. I am not convinced he's THAT strong, unless he's supposed to be able to dish out damage on par with a dwarf star.
Remember. Hela was at least able to keep getting up and fighting against Thor as he was at the end of Ragnarok so long as Asgard was intact. Nothing short of an Infinity Gauntlet user should be able to stand against her AND Odin.
>Remember. Hela was at least able to keep getting up and fighting against Thor as he was at the end of Ragnarok so long as Asgard was intact. Nothing short of an Infinity Gauntlet user should be able to stand against her AND Odin.
Hela is the one using the rings after Odin banished her and she becomes a champion of Ta Lo
>That's a really weird place for him to appear especially since I've never been sure how old Thanos is supposed to be in the MCU, but all will be forgiven if he shows up in a top hat and monocle or something
1602 won't be a normal What If...? episode, the premise is that Uatu sends Capter Carter to a universe where the Avengers somehow get stuck in the past during the events of Infinity War and Thanos is the antagonist of the finale, the leaks say it'll involve an incursion. Also the actual canon Sacred Timeline Steve post-Endgame might appear in the season
The third one was okay. The only real standout part was the robot gore.
>still no what if quicksilver lived
Can't afford his actor?
They're already using other VA's, so that shouldn't stop them.
That's funny how you think Disney can't afford anyone on this planet.
Have you been living under a rock? They’re in deep financial trouble nowadays.
Yeah yeah two more weeks. I've heard all about it.
Investors are suing them for lying to them.
Yeah yeah Disney is totally finished this time! Like I said, I heard all about it.
I liked Blade Runner Nebula and 80s Avengers. But they could've explained Ronan more. I assume he had the power stone? They don't make it clear what the divergence really was. And the Avengers cast could've been developed more in E2 but the runtime doesn't allow for it. If there's a sequel maybe they will though.
>They don't make it clear what the divergence really was
Ronan had more balls and managed to kill Thanos
>It was two hours prior.
>And the tower wasnt yet on fire.
Do we know the release schedule?
One episode each day until December 30.
So far this season, I wish all the episodes were longer/full on movies. It's a step up from Season 1 overall so far.
Thanks
see
Yeah:
>"What If... Nebula Joined the Nova Corps?"
>"What If... Peter Quill Attacked Earth's Mightiest Heroes?"
>"What If... Happy Hogan Saved Christmas?" (We are here)
>"What If... Iron Man Crashed Into the Grandmaster?"
>"What If... Captain Carter Fought the Hydra Stomper?"
>"What If... Kahhori Reshaped the World?"
>"What If... Hela Found the Ten Rings?"
>"What If... the Avengers Assembled in 1602?"
>"What If... Strange Supreme Intervened?"
The Tony one is a given due to the cut from last season, but aside of that, Hela and 1602 they sound a bit like a whatever, with Strange Supreme not being clear on what to intervene.
>with Strange Supreme not being clear on what to intervene.
Most likely dealing with letting Thanos win in Infinity War.
That would just be Doctor Strange, Strange Supreme is the specific title for the one from S1 that got his universe destroyed.
I meant more along the line fo Strange Supreme interfering with that moment, and killing Thanos or something. It's one of the few huge significant changes that can actually have a drastic effect on things.
Although, it also could be Strange Supreme interfering with the events of Iron Man 1, which kickstarted the whole MCU anyway.
The production brief sent out to the press states:
When Captain Carter teams up with an old friend to hunt down vicious Universe Killers terrorizing the Multiverse, she finds the greatest threat to all existence may be closer to her than she realizes.
I assume he's trying to harness their power like he did with the monsters in his original episode to rebuild his universe with Christine, since he never got over losing her.
Isn't this the plot to Multiverse of Madness?
>>"What If... Happy Hogan Saved Christmas?" (We are here)
Was really thinking this one was going to be an overturn of Iron Man 3
Yeah that would been my first guess aswell. Nice to see Hammer being a fricking clown again though.
Just saw the episodes, was surprisingly kino
>Happy is the Hulk Hogan of MCU
>They finally went and gone for the "Happy Hulk Hogan".
It was a reference to Happy becoming The Freak in the comics.
Episode 3 should have been called "What If... Sam Rockwell finally returned in the MCU?"
So when would this Christmas episode take place, seems to be before Ultron. Did IM3 not happen in this world?
Before age of ultron, you don't see him working on the staff for Ultron
i think its 2012, Iron Man 3 is in 2013. there's a line that says the people need this christmas party given the year we just had which signalled the Chituari invasion had just happened.
Ep 3 was... okay. It feels more like a filler episode of a series than a What if, but I'll give it a pass today.
It does feel like What If is being hampered by the need to pander to kids. It's like Marvel thinks that because this series is animated, it has to have episodes that appeal to children like the Party Thor one or this latest episode. On one hand, this is basically the MCU Saturday Morning cartoon show that Avengers Assembled wanted to be so badly.
It's more just the constant jokes. The zombies episode is a good example of this. The writers worried the subject matter was too dark so they lined it wall to wall with humor.
So just the standard issue the movies been suffering since around GotG
Technically Iron Man
>okay
It was trash, don't sugarcoat it.
It was basically them trying to cobble together a christmas based episode just because...
I don't like how Utau vaguely resembles Bernard
>that doesn't look like anything to me
sexo
sexo
That zipper needs to be lower.
I was ignoring this because S1 was so shit. These are actually good.
homie there's shards of glass in there
Well Hammer is a gigantic moron, so that works
Still wonder how the MCU made Gamora so great. She is really comparable to th best of her comic self in terms of how fun she is too see.
Didnt even realise I typed Gamora instead of Nebula
Is it weird that episode 2 made me like Wendy far more than Carol Danvers? 1980s Avengers was pretty amazing.
no since it made me too and I'm definitely not weird
That's what I thought to, Wendy so far is the most likable Captain Marvel. And maybe not making the characters know it all and actually friendly helps.
Carol is also not a know-it-all and is very friendly and is super likeable.
>Carol is also not a know-it-all and is very friendly and is super likeable.
We watched completely different characters. I will say this though: Whoever wrote The Marvels turned her into a completely different and much more pathetic character than the bossy b***h she was presented as in Endgame, and knowing she was deliberately avoiding Earth like the plague specifically to avoid a black girl she met decades ago and she's spent DECADES not only crushed by guilt but doing fricking nothing about the Kree after blowing up the Supreme Intelligence makes it seem like all her aggression was just desperately fronting.
MEGA?
I think I'd prefer it if the What Ifs branched off the movies rather than be an excuse to one off stories. Like "What If the Other Half was Snapped?" or "What If Iron Man stopped Captain America in Civil War?". That said it's always good to see the Avengers working together on normal missions. In the movies we got like Age of Ultron and that was it.
>In the movies we got like Age of Ultron and that was it.
There was that one they severely screwed up at the beginning of Civil War
That was Cap's squad. I was hoping to see Iron Man, Hulk and Thor in action too.
The thing with What If is that its basically endless excuses for alternate stories, you wouldnt burn through the big ones like that in the first two seasons, that stuff can go on for a long time.
>What if the other half was snapped
Why is Cinemaphile so obsessed with this particular scenario? Every fricking thread.
Because it's easy and infinitely more interesting than anything in season 2. At least the concept has something they know and would understand and you can see where it goes.
Of course, considering how much the Neblua and Ego episodes remembered their own baselines, or episode 6's nonstop shitheap to jack off its character, it's for the best they don't use it. Last thing we need is for Ms Marvel to pick up the guantlet and become a god or something. I don't know if she was snapped, I have not seen a single thing she's in.
Because it is an interesting scenario, perhaps? Way better than Pocahontas but with superpowers.
>What if
Neat!
>It's only MCU shit
bleh
Marvel Zombies!MCU is bland as frick, because there are like, twenty four heroes in the whole universe, and after that it's a bunch of generic zombies. Like, I think that episode soured me on the whole series, because I realized the wasted potential.
Watching Thanos getting instantly bisected with a laser was fricking hilarious, though
>Hammer miraculously and basically offscreen manages to take down Maria Hill with what he calls "Prison Taekwando".
Thats the real mystery there, was he locked up with a master martial artist?
He didn’t though. One of the Iron Legion subdued her and kept her there. Like usual, I think he was just spouting bullshit to sound impressive. He kept mixing up Jiu jitsu and taekwondo if you listen closely.
He just mashes the punching mechanism and calls it Jiu jitsu and taekwondo which i pretty much in character of being ignorant while also being hilarious
Feel like they should have had an Eternal or something, feels weird having two Pym Particle people
Was Red Guardian active at this point? Would have had him instead of Bucky, but he turned out ok
>Feel like they should have had an Eternal or something, feels weird having two Pym Particle people
Marvel really wants you to forget that the Eternals exist
>Was Red Guardian active at this point? Would have had him instead of Bucky, but he turned out ok
Would have been more fitting actually, since he was undercover in America at that point
They're still doing Eternals 2.
Wouldn't be surprised if it gets shit canned along with Blade
They're saying they are but that doesn't really mean much until production gets going
They announced that sequels to Superman Returns, Green Lantern, Fant4stic would be made but that didn't make it so
>They're saying they are
No, they aren't. Leakers are.
They haven't started it yet and are coming off a year with a shitload of flops specifically because most of them, like Marvels, are stuff people showed no interest in.
Banking on a sequel to a movie that already did poorly and had mixed opinions at the most generous regarding it is an... interesting choice.
It will probably be retooled into a series if not outright cancelled.
kek is that pic real?
Everything on the internet is real
Red Guardian cant exist if Steve Rogers never became captain America. Remember, the Russians were inspired by Cap to make RG
But Steve did exist in that episode, they even referenced him going down in the arctic, it just took place in the 80's before they woke him up.
>Feel like they should have had an Eternal or something, feels weird having two Pym Particle people
That's not bad actually. Would've been cool to have seen them after Marvel has been pretending they don't exist.
Having both a Growing Man and a Shrinking specialist is classic for the Avengers though
Whenever they have Giant-Man and Wasp on the same team
Or Goliath and Wasp
Or Yellowjacket and Wasp
Or Giant-Woman and Ant-Man
So if Ego can just show up and activate his spore, why doesn’t he just always do that?
In Gotg2 it is explained as he is too weak to do it himself a lot. So he tries to spawn children who can do it for him as it drains him a lot. He could do a planet or two before it gets too draining
I wonder if Mantis is alive yet in this timeline
He probably never had Mantis in that timeline as Quill was able to achieve his goals. He doesn't need a Mantis like child to help him rest
Any webm requests?
Grandmaster melting. Even as a gif.
Now this episode should have been called "What if... Tony Stark cucked Peter Quill?"
The melty death stick on Sakaar seems so OP for how goofy the planet and the Grandmaster are
the melty stick is OP as frick
Do these writers have some weird grudge against Thanos or something?
It seems like he gets punked like a b***h in every single appearance. His best performance is where his whole motivation was talk-no-jutsu'd away by T'challa somehow.
It also makes IW and EG look dumb, with how easy he loses in this What If episodes.
>His best performance is where his whole motivation was talk-no-jutsu'd away by T'challa somehow.
what
T’challa as Star Lord talked Thanos down from his 50% annihilation theory and plans
Goddamn that episode was bad. If there was ever an episode to showcase the lost potential of this series, it's the episode where 99 percent of all the amazing and impactful and totally great actions by the totally not jacked off MC happens offscreen. It's not just that it's a completely naked attempt at someone dryhumping a cutout of their favorite character, they can't even be arsed to figure out how he actually pulled off any of this shit he totally did no problem and relegated it to voice overs so they could skip to more explaining he's awesome while showing what has to be the most boring week of his life. Can't even pick one event to focus on that actually mattered, it was mostly a boring ass shootout in between a frickload of exposition.
Saying "This great amazing perfect character outdebated Thanos... now here's a bog standard not particularly well directed action scene we're going to show instead!" is just this whole series in a nutshell.
I liked the episode a lot, but yes would have been much more fun/interesting seeing a scene between t’Chala and Thanos where the conversation actually happens
I picture it humorously mundane.
>"Once I decimate half of all life in the universe, the survivors will be grateful that I restored cosmic balance."
>"No, Thanos. They will be sad about the loved ones they have lost."
>"... Frick."
i kinda envision it like the men in black scene with the table, where Thanos explains to Blacklord his plan and Blacklord drags 2 fricking chairs awkardly with the tension high as frick for everyone else and sits down and challenges Thanos to an actual debate for a infinity stone and Thanos just accepts out of pure amusment
That episode was such a naked attempt to hype up Chadwick it's truly sad he passed when he did, seeing Black Panther 2 with this level of dumb shit wank would've been way more entertaining.
>Black Panther is so great he convinced the Ravegers to be good, as a child! No we won't show this.
>He totally outdebated Thanos! No we won't show this.
>He totally fixed Nebula's personality and now she loves him! No we won't show this, but we will make her a platinum blonde. You know why.
>He beat every space badguy, saved the universe and everyone loves him! No we won't show you how.
>But oh no! The world is in danger because Ego found Quill on earth!
>Does this mean there's literally any danger, at all? Nope, solved in literally under a minute in an aside on the next episode. We will not show how, just that he carried Peter out, somehow.
>Now, you might be thinking "Hold on, shouldn't Ego be on his core planet? That was literally the entire basis of the second movie.", and to that we say, if you're still here after the Thanos thing you're clearly too stupid to have even realized this massive plothole, don't play that game. Shut up and pretend this pretend guy is awesome because we told you he is, we don't need to show it.
Watching Chadwick go this full on unabashed jackoff on Namor would've been endlessly more entertaining than what we got, I'm not even going to lie. If you're gonna go for it just go for it.
You know, that’s an interesting point. Maybe they should just lean right in on this more than they’re doing? I mean objectively, the episode was bad from a storytelling standpoint, all tell don’t show for the major bits and what they did show wasn’t 1/100th as interesting Or difficult to write, since they’re really not smart enough to pull that off but if you were a black panther fan who just wanted to see an episode say your guy is the best and just tell you it, lean the frick into it. He can convince anyone to do anything and beat anyone in a fight without trouble and gets the cold girl but makes her pretty. Pure utter wish fulfillment at a level even Batman doesn’t do. There has never been as much Batwank as that one episode, I dare someone to show otherwise.
So why not just go into it? Have an episode where Tony fixes everything because he’s the smartest and doesn’t really need the others. Have one where Hulk comes early and just wrecks all the villains because really, he’s the strongest, and he gets a hot girlfriend too. Or have Black Widow just use the infinity gauntlet without an issue constantly because she was trained for it or something. Have Hawkeye take out Thanos with an arrow because he joined in Infinity War.
These shorts are already dumb as frick, just go full stupid wank and make that the joke. Either you’re in or not.
if nothing else it could have spurred on some "MY favorite is better, SEE!?" back and forth instead of this thread
>An episode where Wanda just gets a hold of America Chavez, takes her powers and is just a suburban mom with everything going her way for 20 minutes
>Ends with Strange admitting she was right all along and she's the best mom
Fricking fund it.
BP was the closest thing to a new Ironman. Should've recast him, Chadwich was great but the show must go on and the guy probably understood that as well.
>Watching Chadwick go this full on unabashed jackoff on Namor would've been endlessly more entertaining than what we got, I'm not even going to lie. If you're gonna go for it just go for it.
Frick that, Wakanda Forever works because it's like one of the few MCU movies that actually took itself seriously and didn't have that much jokes.
probably just a worf effect sorta thing
This episode reminds me how much I hate Ragnarok and Taika Waititi characterizations.
Grandmaster and Korg are just unbearably annoying characters trying too hard to be funny and quirky.
Newest episode came out. I feel like episode 3 and 4 should have been switched since Episode 3 was much more Christmas themed. The stick is really OP. It was ok, Ragnarok was really good due to the cast, and changing them reveals a lot of flaws.
The Iron Man what if should have been the plot of Iron Man 3
Yeah well, Shane Black’s a moron so we got fake Mandarin and a completely shredded Demon In A Bottle
What was the Iron Man what if?
After taking the nuke through the wormhole at the end of Avengers, he doesn’t make it back through and instead gets bounced around through space until he crashes on Sakaar. Because of time/space differences in different parts of the universe, his already become famous for defeating Thanos’ army. Gamora tracks him down on Sakaar, shenanigans ensue. It was really good. And like other anon said, would have been a much better Iron Man 3.
That does sound a lot more creative
It certainly would’ve added more weight to Thanos/tony confronting each other in Infinity War and Endgame
Is there a mandate to have Korg appear as much as possible? At least his appearance here makes more sense than in Ep 1 of this season.
Milei rn
The writing on the last episode was weird.
Grandmaster apologizes to Gamora for not recognizing her being Thanos' daughter. Then the next moment calls her a muppet of Thanos
Lot of characters do stuff that dont make sense, writers need to do better to narratively go from A to B without making characters do something they never would
>Grandmaster being a quirky fricker.
That surprises you how?
It would have made more sense to have not acknowledged her being Thanos' daughter or at least never believing it. Not believing it moments after acknowledging it comes off as writers not paying attention to the screenplay
Didn’t seem that weird to me. He’s a kinky freaky fetishist. And a psycho. He probably got a little chub in that moment realizing who she was but then immediately went back to being a manipulative cheeky c**t
it was alright
liked the suit making stuff from the og Iron Man
Suit transforming into a car & back was cool as always
All these episodes including season 1 were 99% "What if minor boring change" or "What if this character is that character now" it's so fricking boring.
That's basically what the original What If comic was, they tended to have simple scenarios like character swaps. Sometimes they get really shitposty with it like "What If Galactus was Uncle Ben's nephew?" (that's a real issue).
"ahem"
Isnt racist and discriminatory to put graffitis on buildings and statues so the reader can say "oh yeah this IS BLACK ASGARD!"
Its trying so hard to be black it went full racism, yes.
That's what their culture is, graffiti and gibberish
>ignoring that Thormiles is raping in that page
>ignoring the shoes on the telephones lines
they 100% knew what they were doing
The craziest part is that the comic was written by some Mexican dude.
Dude let his intrusive thoughts win. Also don't forget this gem of a quote
>By Odin's Fade!
>Odin is actually bald in said universe.
>The craziest part is that the comic was written by some Mexican dude.
I mean, this whole site is proof that Latinos can be racist against blacks too. Which is stupid for a number of reasons.
God, I hope so. First movie wasn't perfect but I did enjoy my qt deaf waifu.
Latinos are probably the most racist towards black than any other group of people, i say this as a Latino
>Latinos are probably the most racist towards black than any other group of people, i say this as a Latino
I mean, that doesn't change anything I said.
Reminder that supposedly they're bringing in a variant of his son after Secret Wars to take the mantle. That's the rumor anyway.
I keep expecting expecting Hellspawn Rocket to show up for his cameo. This last episode seemed a reasonable spot for that but no go. I guess the Hela episode will be where he appears.
Wonder why "what if the other half got snapped?" taking so long. That's the one everybody wants to see, right?
In any scenario, does Scott Lang still save the day? I was really hoping we’d learn whether the Snap affected the quantum realm
I guess so. I like Scott but would've love to see Pym with the original team, and of course he'd probably die.
I don't want to see because it'll begin and end with someone picking up the gauntlet from the dust that was formerly Thanos.
There was a delay in the snap. Thanks portaled back to his farm world and the Avengers only found the gauntlet there because they tracked the energy signal of him using the stones to destroy the stones.
if they need a new villain and they don't, they got THE cosmic god pissed off for aborting his brother.
Yeah that seems like a pretty huge fricking deal. Eternals was based. I don’t get the hate.
That's a good excuse to bring their version of Galactus, and also claim all the Eternals got swallowed by him.
Shang-chi was their best new entry, beats me why Feige isn't milking the guy.
Well T’Challa was supposed to be the milk machine. Seems like there’s a lot of opportunity with Shang Chi now though
T'Challas successor is just as good.
My local ollies has a Shuricopter stack so high I'm constantly worried it's going to fall over.
>beats me why Feige isn't milking the guy.
His movie did terribly and his toys are still clogging up liquidation stores to this day, right next to the glut of Eternals shit that will never leave.
There's really nothing to milk, that cow was dry within a week.
It had a decent performance during the pandemic , it helped to renew faith in releasing movies during that time along with that Ryan Reynolds flick, fricking Sony was ready to hold Venom 2 release if Shang-chi did awful. But then again releasing movies at that time also meant not reaching many fans so no buzz and popularity.
>ucking Sony was ready to hold Venom 2 release if Shang-chi did awful.
I really doubt they were going to push it back a month from release based on if a completely other movie did numbers. And if they were basing it on anything, it was Fast 9 which did wayyyy better but was also far enough away they could move it back without too much issue.
I just saw episode 2
Did no writer on the show actually watch the second guardians movie or what? They were very clear on how it works and they seem to be going out of their way to do the opposite
Its an alternate universe dummy
>Opening narration says it's the same universe, but Yondu actually delivered him to Ego
>Somehow this means literally every single aspect as to how the power they're basing this entire "What if" off of is completely different except for some things still sort of being there
Makes perfect sense. "Remember this thing!" But also "Don't think about what happened during this thing." Oh and then they didn't even bother explaining how this completely new version works since all their references were to the thing that worked differently, it just changes from scene to scene. Just hitting that shit writing from every angle.
That's the crazy part, assume for a moment you had 0 idea about GOTG2 and saw this episode, you wouldn't know what the frick was going on.
>Episode just shows Peter Quill being abducted, but it doesn't give any context why he's out in the middle of the field when it happens
>Says he's being brought to Ego, doesn't bother explaining why Ego even wants him or the previous attempts
>Doesn't bother explaining why the seeds are there, or even what they do besides "Destroy the planet"
>Now Peter has superpowers, but they straight up just don't explain any of that or what those vague powers even do or why they work sometimes
>Suddenly Ego can control him except no he can't except yes he can wait no he can't.
>And has Peter say at the end "If I put this in me, I'll always have a part of you in me", which, A, makes no fricking sense since they didn't establish that drawback about killing Ego or not being on the planet, and B, doesn't make any fricking sense since he's been popping off like crazy off of Ego anyway, the drawback from the movie doesn't work here because he hasn't been on Ego this whole time. He's doing something to fix a problem they don't have in this world they never even explained before now.
They told you nothing and then reminded you of something they themselves just kept getting wrong, whatever nepotism got this writer hired has got to be some strong shit cause they can't even follow an adult cartoon for their kid cartoon.
Feels more like the writing was being affected by the pacing more than anything else, they can only do so much in just 30 minutes so they have to rush or handwave a lot of shit to make the plot work in a lot of the episodes.
You know what might help that? Not radically changing how shit you're basing this off of works.
>Oh no, we changed literally everything, but our entire plot hinges on you knowing about the stuff we changed and now we don't have time to explain what we changed it to or how it works!
>Man, if only there was an easy way to fix this that also allowed people a quick and easy way to get all of the rules and questions for themselves answered if they didn't understand something. Some kind of previous explanation, perhaps, that we don't even need to provide.
>Man, whoever I know that got my ass hired really should have told me everything would be better if I literally didn't add a single thing from my head.
They have to "radically change shit" specifically because of the tight runtime.
That makes no sense, that only adds to the amount of stuff they have to explain or give reasoning to whereas if they kept it consistent then the audience always has a means to figure out what’s going on themselves even if it’s not said. Now, if they started as if nobody had seen the previous one and explained everything there, then they could make whatever rules they wanted. Like the evil strange one, that one straight up doesn’t require you to know anything about Dr Strange, and explained any and all changes. But because it still was based off it, you could always just look to the movie to explain something like his necklace if you wanted.
A short runtime should mean keeping as many of the established reasoning even if you toss out the plots, especially if you’re hard dependent on said original plot to do most of the heavy lifting in your explaining, like the Peter episode did. If you haven’t seen GOTG2, nothing makes sense. If you have, you understand the motivations, but nothing about the plot makes sense and contradicts what gave those motivations. Don’t have time? Use what’s been established. Want to do something new? Don’t base it off something that told your audience something different. This is basic ass even a moronic child could figure out storytelling, but we’re not dealing with the C team even here.
What were the contradictions anyway? A lot of the plot was just rushed
For which episode?
Frick it, I'll just use number 2.
>The entire fricking basis of GOTG 2 is that Ego needs Peter to specifically be on his planet(The only place a celestial gene will activate and be able to be used, which is why Peter can't do any of the powers off the planet) to act as essentially a second battery to begin the assimilation of other planets by hatching those seeds he planted that spread out, assimilate, and convert the planets he put them on. That's the plot. If Peter is on Ego, and Ego activates his genes, that's when the seeds turn on and start spreading. This is what happened in the movie, it was very straightforwards.
>NOW all of a sudden Peter needs to be sent planet to planet to activate the seeds(Why? How? Why didn't it turn on when he was in the building? Why did he get shot down by missiles when he went to multiple places like Asguard who shoot spaceships from the sky?) He can use his powers off Ego(So he should always have it) but Ego can mind control him(Except no except yes except no not at all he never does that?) and Ego can use his full powers on earth(So he doesn't need to touch the seed he is the fricking seed, worst case scenario he just uses another one) and can activate them even without Peter(SO WHAT THE FRICK WAS THE POINT OF THE KIDS!?) But then Peter absorbs the seed so he will always have a part of Ego in him so he can keep using the powers(Which he's been doing the entire episode!) and he blasts Ego's body away
Meanwhile they could've just had Peter fight back, or escape, or the 80'svengers be the one to beat Ego, it's not like he's invincible off his planet in the movie. Rocket blasted his form to a skeleton ON Ego. They added in a ton of stuff that made no sense, needs explaining, contradicted the obvious, and still relied entirely on you watching that movie to know anything at all about Ego or his planet or what he's doing or why.
I think their explanation was that Peter only had powers on planets that had Celestial Seeds
His presence helped to activate the Seeds and he got Cosmic powers for as long as it takes to get close enough to the seeds
So Peter Absorbing the energy of the Celestial Seed meant he got to keep a small fraction of Ego's power
I think in GotG 2, Ego decided to activate every single Seed at once and needed Peter there with him to make it happen because Peter on Ego maximizes their power
So I guess 30 years of having and then killing his own children made him more impatient and he decided to get it over with all at once
>I think their explanation was that Peter only had powers on planets that had Celestial Seeds
So he would've had the power on earth the whole time, which makes no sense. Also, doesn't make sense with his actual plan in the show, or movie, or just in general because either he's using Quill as wifi or he's using him to just turn the things on, which he could just do because Qull now has the powers always.
>His presence helped to activate the Seeds and he got Cosmic powers for as long as it takes to get close enough to the seeds
The seed specifically and visually did not activate until EGO went down there personally, so even if this was their intention they fricked it up.
> he got to keep a small fraction of Ego's power
He was just shooting shit the entire episode without it ever turning on, where was the original power coming from then? Ego said Peter was cutting him off and he went off to a carnival at the start of the episode.
>I think in GotG 2, Ego decided to activate every single Seed at once and needed Peter there with him to make it happen because Peter on Ego maximizes their power
Nope, see
>So I guess 30 years of having and then killing his own children made him more impatient and he decided to get it over with all at once
You know what the worst part of this is? Not only are you wrong, but Ego would've been giddy as frick for the majority of this episode because he wanted Peter to join him in turning on the seeds. In the movie he wanted to do it together, but even if they absolutely had to stick to this contradictory and poorly thought out alternative, Ego would've been right there Quill the whole time turning on seeds instead of the weird head thing. I mean, Peter can apparently use Ego powers off Ego, the one reason he didn't just go with him in the movie is gone, and Ego has full power off his planet in this episode, right? But no, can't even get that right and maybe have some conflict with Ant Man.
God these writers suck.
Peter and Ego traveling together on a father/son thing activating the seeds might contradict the movie but that would've required far less explaining and could probably be handwaved away in some short fashion, I dunno Peter's carrying a rock or something. You could even twist it to say Ego could totally turn on every seed at once, but now that his plan is assured he wants to be there to see every planet become "him". He's gonna end up on the planet in the episode regardless, why not have him show up earlier and then make the majority be about having Peter realize his dad's a dick with Hank and Janet like the episode? Keep the teamup and everything, the fight's going to happen regardless. Ego sending Peter to personally flick switches and then revealing he can come down and just flick the switch personally and it still works is just bad writing.
>His presence helped to activate the Seeds and he got Cosmic powers for as long as it takes to get close enough to the seeds
>So Peter Absorbing the energy of the Celestial Seed meant he got to keep a small fraction of Ego's power
So, the seeds have power, but also need Peter, who's being powered by the seeds, to turn them on, where they will get power from.. Peter? Wait no they're giving him power in this case. So are they getting their power to grow from... Ego? But if they can do that, why does Peter need to be in the equation? See this wasn't a problem in the movie. "Peter's genes are tied to his DNA so only activate Ego planet, Ego planet dies and his powers turn off forever because nothing to activate them" Boom, done, explains why he doesn't shoot shit everywhere and why Ego can't just turn on the seeds by himself. He has a reason to make kids, and a reason why he wouldn't know who's got the powerup on their home planet he put the seeds on, gotta be on daddy planet.
Then these writers come in and turn it into an infinite contradiction knot that breaks every angle you look at it. That takes effort.
Try to use this clip in context of the episode.
>No, don't you see? I have to radically change shit, which thus adds to the amount of stuff I need to explain or establish or show, because I just don't have enough time to use the thing that someone already explained or established or showed.
>I mean, I will use that thing they established explained or showed, It'll be the baseline of the episode, but then I'll add new stuff that requires a pretty sizeable explanation. Don't worry though, I've got a foolproof way to get around that time addition! I won't explain shit.
>So going in you'll know what should be going on, since I'm still using the movie as the jumping point, but then everything will be different. Because I have no time, you see, so I'll just add stuff but then not waste time making sense of it!
>This is how writing works according to my fellow nepotism hires who penned the masterpiece, Wish. We're almost at second grade comprehension level!
Between this and the Black Panther episode who also did it but was wrong in a completely different way, I'm guessing they heard from a friend of a friend what happened in a movie they were stoned out of their minds watching and they just kind of winged it. Or they're just bad writers who can't manage to do any better since writing around what's pretty much an instant lose scenario is difficult even if you're good at this, let alone a writer this bad, it's really up in the air.
>Cap getting assaulted by desperate MILFs
Based
People still watch MCU shit? Wow. How do you guys endure so much crap?
Why do they keep making all these GotG episodes without Rocket
I want fricking Rocket. It's cg do they have no excuse.
Someone apparently mandated more of that shitty Korg and I wish for a lego in their shoe for the rest of their days for that.
They didn't even pretend that shit made sense in the first one. He's just there for a lame ass rock paper scissors joke, and then they did that same joke again in the tony episode!
>they actually made Yon-Rogg feel cool for a change
>oh wait, nevermind. He's just comically defeated by Korg. Back to being the same joke he was on Captain Marvel, I guess.
They also had Korg repeat the Hulk Smash Loki move both episodes as well. Who the frick thought this was the breakout character? Because Love and Thunder killed that dead.
This was probably made way before Thor 4 released and Watiti was still piping hot from his previous works
Ep 5 was great, Steves VA wasn't convincing though
I found it a bit boring, but the fight at the end was fantastic.
>I am the Watcher...
>I see all...
>I observe all--
>WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?!
Heh.
Ep 5 has finally done it. It made me care a little about Captain Carter.
Its because technically this wasnt a standalone episode and had the benefit of carrying over from last season
Where did they send her? Who’s “our queen”? Also was that actually Olsen?
She was credited.
If I have to guess Black Widow is probably the queen of the Kingdom of America universe
It looks like the Wanda from the 1602 universe pulled Peggy there to assemble their Avengers for the December 29 episode
And somehow that took the Watcher by surprise, which is potentially concerning
I wonder if we'll hit the bump limit before the end of the season
>I wonder if we'll hit the bump limit before the end of the season
Someone should just continue in a new thread and link that thread here after the bump limit is hit
She was in the credits, which made me keep thinking she was going to show up during the Red Room stuff.
I like how this is basically the talkback thread for the whole season
>Wasp is in the New York attack as it was originally intended
>no Ant-Man
>no Hulk
what the hell happened in this universe
They mention Banner later, he could simply been late with his scooter.
Since it's probably Hope, maybe in this timeline Hank's belt didn't malfunction and disappeared into the QR, so Janet trained Hope. As for Hulk, uh, can he exist if Steve doesn't donate blood?
Maybe it was Janet who is still on Fury's emergency contact list
They just said Banner and referenced him as a scientist. So he could not be Hulk
In that context it could still apply all the same given between Avengers and Age of Ultron Tony/Bruce were sciencing it up in general.
One thing I liked about this episode is how they played with the timeline a bit. Not just by crossing over a lot of characters who were active at the same time, but my mixing character beats.
Hope and Pete both being kids in the 80s who recently lost there moms was a cool beat to work off of.
>watch episode
>few hours later get a DMCA warning from internet provider
So long KimCartoon, you fricking sellouts
I've used it for years and now you bow to the Mouse
Don't go there anons, even with a vpn.
Lrn2torrent
surprised you were still using it I left when they forced to stop using ad blocker to use the site
I missed episode 5. I liked how they tried to mix the black widow movie and Winter solider.
You serious?
>I missed episode 5. I liked how they tried to mix the black widow movie and Winter solider.
My favorite part of the MCU is the war/spy thriller stuff. It's part of why I love Agents of SHIELD & Agent Carter.
That episode was just a better version of the Black Widow movie lol
Black Widow's model looked so fricking hot in this episode. I wish more artists gave a shit about this show so someone could can their own model.
Her constant quips were really distracting though
The only episode I liked so far this season was the 1980's knockoff Avengers one since that actually felt like it could be the plot of a movie.
>"peak human" superhero can fight toe-to-toe with a dude in power armor
Even considering MCU Cap bullshit, anyone else notice that everyone in What If? is way stronger than they would be in 616 (prob because it's a cartoon but still)?
Korg and Gamorra seemed a lot more impressive in the Grandmaster episode than they do in the MCU
Logically I know they're plenty strong and have some feats to show it, but I feel like most of their actions scenes didn't showcase that enough
Frick that just reminds me of Ultron just casually killing off Thanos with 5/6 of the Infinity Stones in S1.
I don't really care that much, as I do love the show but you have to admit, characters do and survive way more in this show than they would in the movies it feels like.
Don´t forget Thanos miraculously managing to get himself infected with the Zombie Virus.
Yeah Thanos and others have jobbed pretty hard too. But idk, I think the staff thing in the Grandmaster episode may have actually worked against him.
Don't forget Scarlet Witch becoming a zombie too somehow?
Wanda getting infected is less farfetched given her powers werent at the point she had gotten ridiculous just yet, thats just one bite needed when it broke out. With Thanos though? The guy literally got the time stone on him (Dont ask how he got that given Strange also became a zombie, i doubt Zombie Thanos peacefully took that) and managed to still get bitten and not just reverse it when he noticed somethings wrong.
Yeah. I love this show but it basically operates on, "Don't think about it too hard," rules. In multiple ways.
Which is a bit of a shame, but another more or less necessary sacrifice to be mostly episodic and fit into like half a hour.
Isnt the comic What if pretty much the same? I mean Galactus was Peter's uncle at one point
Honestly there's a bit of a gap between the Grandmaster episode and Gamora's appearance in the Guardians of the Multiverse
She gets her Armor and the machine that destroys Infinity Stones at some point after this episode
So there's a chance that the melting staff didn't actually work on Thanos and Tony and Gamora had to retreat and come back later with new toys
Yeah that's a good point. That's kinda sloppy I suppose.
>They're operating off Black Widow rules.
Boy, are they ever.
Remember when after everything needed to take down Infinity Ultron, it was Black Widow jumping a motorcycle that dealt the finishing blow?
I 'member
They really, really regret doing nothing with her and then killing her off huh?
Thanos in the What If? universes is somehow even weaker. Like there's apparently some random staff that can just melt him, Ronan actually succeeded in overthrowing him and apparently Cull and Proxima tag teaming can bring him down.
>They really, really regret doing nothing with her and then killing her off huh?
The over compensating just makes me glad she's dead
It really makes me wonder what the hell they planning to do with T'challa if Boseman had lived. The first two movies he appeared in revolved around him struggling to balance his anger and his sense of duty, which-he wasn't my favourite character, but it was fine?
But ever since that What If? episode, it's like there's some kind of in-universe attempt to retcon him into an infallible Black Jesus. Like if you want to talk about Shuri and anger/loss issues T'challa had those in spades from when his dad died. But no, Killmonger cameo.
>It really makes me wonder what the hell they planning to do with T'challa if Boseman had lived.
Marvel wanted Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Spider-Man to be the new vanguard of the Avengers and the new "Trinity" of the MCU as a whole.
Well one of those is still basically the most liked MCU main character even if not everyone likes the Iron Boy angle, while another has been such a bomb that her next movie tried to both downplay her and retcon her into a miserable frickup. I just really wonder if they were going to jump into T'challa being Black Jesus, or if there was at one point a more natural arc for him learning to figure out the best future for both Wakanda and the world at large-and his death was cynically used by marketeers to treat the character like a martyr for...some kind of mystery disease Wakandan medicine can't treat.
Seriously you'd think people would be more alarmed by that shit than most supervillains
They're operating off Black Widow rules.
The movie where she survived this level of shit like, all the time, because that movie was terrible.
>Frick that just reminds me of Ultron just casually killing off Thanos with 5/6 of the Infinity Stones in S1.
To be fair that was a surprise attack. Basically the equivalent of being sucker-punched by someone you didn't expect.
Also, Thanos in the Cinematic Universe is weak as frick. Way more vulnerable than his comic counterpart.
>Also, Thanos in the Cinematic Universe is weak as frick. Way more vulnerable than his comic counterpart.
It actually took me awhile to realize that Thanos never had the energy blasts he has in the comics or the half dozen other powers he's always had.
It makes the claim that Maw is a wizard seem even more out of left field, because at no point has MCU Thanos EVER shown the capacity to use magic otherwise even though you'd think he'd get Maw to make him a shitload of enchanted items or whatever. And no, the Gauntlet doesn't count even if it's made of uru. Anyone can use a sufficiently advanced gauntlet, Stark just build his own without any help from Strange.
The only thing MCU Thanos had for him was his super strength, which was on par with Hulk, except that he knew space martial arts so he could be more efficient at throwing punches.
I kind of assumed he built all his shit, but they never actually explain where he got the Chitauri, space whales, Outriders etc from. I guess he doesn't use power armour because he's a savage at heart who likes striding around swinging his sword, but they make it so easy to kill him with energy attacks in What If? you would think he'd have died a long time ago in the main MCU where the movies try to claim with a straight face that stopping him is a one in 14 million chance that you need a magic book that can literally defeat any one opponent to stop.
Hulk got nerfed hard to prop up Thanos and I'll be the one to say it, his fight with Thanos was awful.
You can look at it as Hulk getting nerfed or other characters getting buffed, but he was getting nerfed since IM2 tbh. We went from a force of nature that could casually cave in an advanced space whale's skull to something Iron Man could fight with essentially more padding from metals available from Earth that aren't outright mystical like Vibranium. And Hela's wolf drew blood from him by biting, something it previously took the Abomination's elbow spike to the chest.
>Abomination
That fight was downright brutal.
>Abomination desperately grasping for air and punching away at Hulk as Hulk strangles him only to receive the same spike in his chest
10/10
I feel like with few exceptions MCU often has a fight scene just to have one, there's no real passion in it, no feeling of danger or actual violence. Just choreographed dance moves. I wish we could see an improvement on at least that front.
>That fight was downright brutal.
Agreed. Man, isn't hindsight funny? At the time I remember a shitton of people complaining it was all CGI blobs slamming into each other. Now I wish more MCU fights had that same level of brutality.
Hulk was still a respectable force way into Phase 2. He was always treated as some kind of super-secret weapon that could only be unleashed in dire situations.
It was in Phase 3 when they heavily nerfed him and started to treat him as a joke character.
Considering Peggy gets a car thrown right at her face and manages to shake it off, the What If? characters are definitely war stronger. Last season had Thor and Carol punching each other to other countries.
>Considering Peggy gets a car thrown right at her face and manages to shake it off
Yeah, even with the MCU SSS that seemed kinda excessive.
>Last season had Thor and Carol punching each other to other countries.
Tbh I thought that seemed pretty reasonable, at least for Carol.
I guess since it's before Thor gets his powerup in Ragnarok, I guess that is kinda ridiculous.
>I guess since it's before Thor gets his powerup in Ragnarok, I guess that is kinda ridiculous.
I kind of get the impression the beginning of Ragnarok gave the Asgardians a soft retroactively buff by making them actual no-bullshit gods instead of just aliens.
I like the hydra stomper being smaller
Something feels off about the new season. Did they get their budget cut or something?
Nothing looks as smooth as before and they're hiding models in the dark all the time.
Honestly, S2 really feels pretty much just like S1, only with less narration for some reason and the episode order is odd. Like for some reason they didn't just release the Christmas episode on Christmas?
And yes, I hope Avengers '88 gets a follow up episode in the next season if they're doing another one.
>Honestly, S2 really feels pretty much just like S1, only with less narration for some reason and the episode order is odd. Like for some reason they didn't just release the Christmas episode on Christmas?
It was on christmas eve wasnt it?
Opposite for me, the modeling and lighting look sharper and smoother. There's some jank in the movement but season one had that too.
Probably switched slave labor to different animation studio
Its kind of a shame this story is so bad, it's not badly directed or animated at all. They did a decent job with what they were given.
Kind of all of these, honestly. All of them are
>Here's some pretty colors and decent fights
>Do not think too hard about anything that's going on because it doesn't fit with the thing we're basing it on and also just doesn't make sense in general
>Because that's a good sign, us telling you not to think about the story in an entire series dedicated to unique stories
I don't even know why they needed to contrive Nebula being the only one who can access the big thing because "She's a cyborg" when they could've just had her be a scapegoat in general. But then we couldn't break out this character who was the obvious betrayal before the next also obvious betrayal, no doubt spilling out hundreds of criminals into the streets in a time of desperation and all of them now armed with guns they ripped off the robots. It's already got no time to breathe so lets cram in something that doesn't make sense with the story to eat up more time.
But you see she did it to stop the big bad on a ship oops he's dead anyway all of this was pointless and Nova Prime could've solved it literally any time and also Neblua trying to stop her from activating the code was kind of stupid in hindsight her failure saved the entire planet.
I couldn't even finish episode 4, the frick was that trash?
I've been liking season 2 more so far
I saw episode 1 and 2 so far. Got to say, episode 2 was better than episode 1. I like the 80s avengers. Also my moronic ass thought kid Peter Quill was Franklin Richards having a temper tantrum.
Kind of lame there is no Illuminati episode, that would have been cool
Theres plain no way theyre doing anything covering that until atleast after F4 and the Mutants are properly sticking to the MCU, till then Richard and Xavier are simply fanservice.
They already had Illuminati in Dr Strange, so they need a good spin on that for a What If episode.
"What if people still cared about the MCU?"
Lincoln Campbell will play a role in the Kahhori episode
Do they actually address whether or not Ego is really a Celestial, now The Eternals and Love and Thunder has established that every other Celestial looks and acts very, very different to Ego? And can do shit like create entire galaxies while he's roaming around jerking off on random planets?
Thats just his ego talking
Wait, they ACTUALLY confirmed it?
I think so far ego being Celestial is MCU canon, unless they decide to retcon it in any upcoming MCU content
I'd say that's pretty fricking stupid, but I suppose that's par the course with the MCU at this point with things like Carol being completely irrelevant in every space crisis ever, a random disease offscreening T'challa and the Asgardians (at least Thor) apparently knowing about the Eternals and never bringing them up. Not to mention the Eternals themselves not even commenting on Ego's expansion, Dormammu's incursion or anything you would think would logically interfere with their mission.
Ego is a Celestial but I think the implication is that he's basically a physically moronic member of his species. Probably one that never hatched properly or had a premature birth because he's just a floating brain that takes the form of a planet.
It would add another layer to his character if the reason he felt alone was because he was a god compared to most mortals and aliens yet he wasn't on the level of his own kind so he attempted to compensate by literally assimilating everything to his level.
I'm satisfied with that explanation, I just wish they actually acknowledged it in a movie or series or something because at the moment it feels really weird now they're having Celestials be just kind of a thing everyone who's anyone i.e. a god, maybe aybe Thanos too, now Eros is a thing knows is still around in the universe. Instead of a long-dead race like Knowhere implied.
I think it was originally implied in GOTG, the Collector showed a vision of a Celestial using an Infinity Stone and the outtakes video where Peter and Ronan have an actual dance off has him say that Ronan has celestial blood (it's a joke video but the line seemed like an alternate take or a detail that got cut from the film).
I'd love to believe you, but honestly I don't see it. I don't count things that didn't make the final cut, and what I did see in the first GOTG of Celestials was a video from what SEEMS to be implied to be the distant past given the context is how legendary the Infinity Stones are
That is true, I would argue that late into Phase 2 they deescalated how MUCH of a weapon he was but you could still squint and Tony/the Avengers' threats just upgraded (and conveniently, him and Thor never had another rematch until Ragnarok so all we really know about Hulk vs Thor is they can stand and trade without Mjolnir being involved).
The pathetic husk of a "Grey Hulk" post-Infinity War feels like an attempt to consolidate the direction they wanted for the Hulk being tamed, without having to continue justifying it narratively
It would be interesting if Smart Hulk ended up becoming Maestro down the line in the MCU, I remember reading rumors that Dr. Strange was going to be revealed as the true antagonist of the multiverse saga because of his destructive potential. More MCU heroes should become villains, especially since Marvel is going to shift focus from the Avengers to the X-Men in the next decade.
>More MCU heroes should become villains
No
Finally, a What If episode that doesn't have constant obnoxious quips
>what If series
>takes the most bland and boring examples to bring to screen even within its own canon
Two fricking seasons and not one single kino moment amongst them.
Sasuga marvel.
Supreme Strange destroying his universe was a neat surprise.
>have a veritable cornucopia of who's who gallery of rogues and heroes and the license to make something different because it's literally a one shot that doesn't even affect the canon
>what if le spooderman
>what if le srtange
>what if le ion man
>what if le holk
The show is called "What If..?" for a reason
Yeah.
As in
>"What If Marvel Actually Had Talented Writers?"
I miss Loki
It's an MCU show, no shit they're going to use MCU characters.
>>what if le holk
I fricking wish, all he got in this series was the worst death in the mcu, a cameo in the zombies episode and nothing else.
They fricking fixed the mcu Carol but still refuse to use Hulk properly
why do the indians in today's episode speak in Simlish?
This new one seems like the worst yet, i don´t even know who this was or why it was about indians.
Really think the thought that went into this amounted to
>Hey that new predator movie Prey was pretty popular let's repeat that for some mcu material.
I mean it wasnt terrible but essentially Disney was using the native Americans to jerk themselves off over how progressive they are
this latest episode is so fricking cringe, even by capeshit standards
>le peaceful indians minding their own peaceful business, peacefully co-existing with nature and being at peace, did we mention how peaceful they are?
>until le evil wyte men come and destroy their peaceful village evilly
>quirky MC runs and escapes into magical peaceful dimension full of peaceful magical natives
>she immediately learns how to control the peaceful magics of the peaceful indians
>then she peacefully frees her peaceful kin from the evil spaniards and peacefully slaughters them all
>in the end, she makes a peaceful portal to the evil spanish court and peacefully threatens the evil spanish queen if she doesnt stop being evil
The Spanish were white?
>are european natives white?
gee, anon, i dont know, what do you think?
maybe you should stop using /misc/ so much
>700 years of arab occupation
>spaniards are white
lol, lmao even
Boy, you are seething, lmao.
You homosexuals been seething all summer about AI taking your fricking jobs then go on continuing to write woke garbage like this that no sane person would ever want to see.
Go defend genocides on twitter, champ. I'm sure you can farm more clout there.
>You homosexuals been seething all summer about AI taking your fricking jobs then go on continuing to write woke garbage like this that no sane person would ever want to see.
1. I was rooting for AI. Honestly, ChatGPT should takeover ALL of Hollywood.
2. I don't like wokeshit, but besides the girl boss shonen protagonist stuff, this wasn't really woke.
>until le evil wyte men come and destroy their peaceful village evilly
This literally happened, dude. I'm unironically a right wing /misc/tard myself, but what happened to mesoamericans was pretty evil. They probably would have done the same if the situation was reversed, Aztec, Apache & Sioux crossing the Atlantic to conquer, kill & plunder the tribal white Europeans. But, in our reality, what actually happened was still evil.
>american natives
>peaceful
And diseases did like 95% of the work in decimated the population.
>american natives
>peaceful
Where did I say that?
This, the tribes literally got their shit together after a generation long war, and then some beared frickers start killing people looking for some fricking water.
Was there truce among all the tribes before europeans showed up in america. I was under the impression some tribes would loot and plunder other tribes every chance they got
Personally ranking so far
4>5>1=3>2>6
Haven't hated any of them but 6 really was the weakest
1
>focus on Nebula
>Nebula with Yondus fin and arrow
>Howard and his wisecracks
2
>Kurt Russel actually voicing Ego
>the various interactions between the characters
>Laurence Fishburne getting to be Goliath
3
>just an all around fun episode from Happy, Darcy, Hammer really getting to shine
4
>the interactions with Tony between everyone is nice
>the race
>Gamora
5
>all around good mix of various Cap movies, the Widoe movie, and earlier what if Cap Carter material
6
>its pretty
>has some nice action
>goes a bit to far up it's own ass
>Hey Strange
So, She gets that OP in less than a day? It's good there is more Native American stuff, but holy frick they are too OP.
>dat feel when Evil universe jump Strange likes brown chicks
I wonder how they will follow up on that part, probably something in the final episode.
MCU one does too, Dr Strange has been a pedo all along
We haven´t seen him or a alternate version of him total´ing his universe over trying to save America like Supreme did for Christine yet, so its not that bad.
>Kahhori, I've come to bargin
>She gets that OP in less than a day? It's good there is more Native American stuff, but holy frick they are too OP.
This is how I feel about it. LOVE the concept but holy frick, it's like some rule that they always have to make every new female hero OP as all frick right from the get go.
So they just wanted to write about their magical Indian Mary Sue?
>noooo stop defending yourselves from people trying to steal your people and destroy your land
Can you nazi's be less predictable at least
can your strawman be less moronic at least?
The problem isn’t that they depict colonizers as “bad people” it’s that they depict the natives of the Americas as “peaceful and nothing else” natives constantly fought with each other over resources, land, and of course culture and beliefs. Atrocities always happened long before the first colonizer set foot in America. The scattered remnants of the natives are just salty since we wiped them out via superior technology and introduction of diseases they had no immunity to. Seriously, shit like chicken pox did most of the heavy lifting when wiping the slate clean.
They literally mention bloody civil wars between the natives in this very episode.
So far, the plots are far better than the first one. But the animation continues being garbage. Seriously. You're Disney. Making short animations for the biggest franchise ever. Why is the animation not at least Castlevania tier?
>So far, the plots are far better than the first one.
Eh, is till half and half for me. Some of the chapters are stories that no one asked for.
oops, meant to
Seriously. Any message board talking about "what episodes should What If do" has 300 better suggestions than "what if Captain Marvel was an Indian?"
When will we fricking get "what if the other half was Snapped away?"
EPISODE 6...FRICK ME. Woke Disney at its finest(?).
Native American girl, who's smarter, better, stronger faster than her brother, finds a portal to another world by accident. While she was running from the Conquistadors who invaded... New York State, looking for the Fountain of Youth. She learns about magical powers from a peaceful people, gets the powers, and of course, is already accidentally better at using them than any of the people there. She then decides to use her powers to destroy the white male "Monsters," (her word). Even after taking a cannonball to the face, she's still fine and kills the Main White Monster. Then she destroys two more Spanish expeditions, to New York State, and finally goes to Spain to tell Queen Isabella, I guess, to leave the New World.
GURL POWER and INDIAN POWER at its finest against the White Man. Damn, Disney.
She literally does the bender meme at the queen. Bonus points: She is an OC that has not been in any marvel production. In a show point of which is putting a new spin on what we have seen before.
It's literally just "What if a random ass indian got god powers out of nowhere and could instantly blast stuff stronger than military tech and also teleport"
Well then she fricking wins, doesn't it? This is the storytelling equivalent of playing pretend with the kid who has every power including the power to beat your power. Spoilers, the kid who has every power wins, and absolutely nobody wants to play with them. Whoop de shit, what are we supposed to take from this? What if one of them just had the power to fly, teleport and blow up people with their mind, they would've beaten the guys who won in real life? Whoever could've guessed that, totally a unique and interesting story that had surprising twists and turns.
Yep. Only plus was that unlike fricking wakanda she deiced to do something with those powers. What did not help was all the sky people suddenly going along with it. b***h has been there like 2 days and she is like "if you are worthy of this paradise you will do as I say"
>Only plus was that unlike fricking wakanda she deiced to do something with those powers
Nope, still focused entirely on her own tribe just like Wakanda only cared about Wakanda. Black Panther was A-okay attacking places outside of Wakanda if it was personal. All she did was use instant god powers to instant win a fight. What wonderful representation to say "If only we'd had the ability to shrug off canonfire, those spanish guys would've been fricked! Showed you!"
I think a more interesting conclusion to this What If would've been Kahnari going full 'vengeance quest' after having her brother killed. Would've made her a more compelling character than 'bland mary sue who wants to help her people with her OP powers', especially in contrast to the other Magic Tribesman. Show her trying to master her powers day in and day out, then when the Spanishmen come, have her kill them in a rage, with the others refusing to go with her back to the normal world and sticking to it. After that, you can basically have her do the exact same thing she did in the episode, only with much more outright violence than what we got, rescuing her people and then taking her revenge on the Queen via an ultimatum or just outright killing her. Then have Supreme Strange show up in the stinger, introducing himself to a lone Kahnari, whose terrified her own people so much that she just decided to go full Lone Ranger, wandering the world.
I just think 'Kahnari Reshaped The World' would be a more interesting premise if it actually leaned into the 'angry demigod' angle. Rather than the Magic Pochahantas Disney Princess bullshit we got.
>She then decides to use her powers to destroy the white male "Monsters," (her word).
Yeah? Conquistadors were fricking evil.
It never gets old looking back on all the predictions when it was announced as anons say the most outlandish predictions as to how hard woke they're going to go. And have them somehow exceed even the craziest shit.
Everyone, literally everyone knew it would be badly written gurl power white man bad, literally everyone called it, but even they didn't predict that bad of instant OP out of nothing and telling off the Queen. Ah, Disney, when you think they writing can't get any shittier, they remind you they are the most nepo of nepobabies.
>but even they didn't predict that bad of instant OP
Looks like a lot of people predicted that actually, which isn't surprising after you know all of them all of them did that. All the Marvels just instant knew how to use their powers, what's her face from Secret War could instant use every power including the ones that the actual owners of those powers can't control, just all of them. All of them are the best and unstoppable without ever even trying. It's not just bad writing, it's predictably bad. You're such shitty writers people don't even believe you're capable of not fricking this up. They just instantly know how bad it's going to be and in what specific way you're going to shit it out.
Here's to another year where Disney Plus is a money sink and their movies bomb like crazy! Happy 100!
Nothing was bad about this episode EXCEPT for the MC being super powerful and better at using her powers than everyone else...for some reason. We need more native American representation, we need more female representation, and I mean, Europeans did frick over the natives and the episode is set in colonial America.
The problem is that the writers speedran the character's adeptness with her abilities because of COURSE they would, because a female character can't just get powers and then have to struggle with them in 2023. They have to be pre-Crisis Superman with them right off the bat and anything otherwise would be a grave insult to women and sending them back to the kitchen.
> EXCEPT for
That was like a good chunk of the ep.
>We need more native American representation
In "what if" marvel? For frick say was there no obscure marvel native American? Give me danielle moonstar or something and make them a secondary character to someone who actually was in the movies, not the fricking center of the universe. Its like someone looked at america chavez and said "we can go dumber"
>That was like a good chunk of the ep.
Ehh, not wrong.
>In "what if" marvel? For frick say was there no obscure marvel native American? Give me danielle moonstar or something and make them a secondary character to someone who actually was in the movies, not the fricking center of the universe. Its like someone looked at america chavez and said "we can go dumber"
Like someone else said iirc, the "What if?" scenario was Asgard falling and the Cosmic Cube falling onto Earth. Using the show to introduce a new character in and of itself isn't a bad idea so long as it's only done sparingly, since the whole appeal is seeing how shit would go down in the mainstream universe if certain things had happened differently.
>This whole episode was just nonstop contrivance and instant fixing of every mild problem with cartoon badguys to fight. It would've been a bad story with a 10 minute training arc in the middle regardless and easily one of the worst of the series.
I mean, it would've helped at least. One thing I HATE in a story is when the MC gets super powers or the same powers as everyone else and then instantly becomes 10x more powerful than them....because they're the main character so of course they have to be a living god.
>Like someone else said iirc, the "What if?" scenario was Asgard falling and the Cosmic Cube falling onto Earth. Using the show to introduce a new character in and of itself isn't a bad idea so long as it's only done sparingly, since the whole appeal is seeing how shit would go down in the mainstream universe if certain things had happened differently.
Nope. What if some rando got super powers is not What IF. Cosmic cube should have fallen into the hands of an existing character or should have reshaped civilization, we should have tuned into the 21st century and seen how the heroes we know would be changed by having grown up in a world full of such power. The same way age of ultron is a backdrop to seeing such a change instead of being the center point of it all . House of M tried having a secondary key catalyst being a new character and it was most tacked on addition to the story.
They literally just did by the end of the episode. Spain has ceded the New World to the natives and is bound by treaty and space stone magic. I want to see what new world they can create from there.
Native American confederation turning into an ubermensch caste ruling the world would be a logical next step unless another source of superpowers or an ayylmao invasion happens, or Strange goes nuts.
They don't exactly seem like the interventionist sorta type so its a matter of what else everyone is doing. After all aren't there like the Eternals still on Earth?
I don't remember the movie exactly but wasn't some stuff with infinity stones accelerating Tiamut's awakening too?
>They don't exactly seem like the interventionist sorta type
Doesn't matter, their the only ones with access to powers so all it takes is their descendants to want to rule for it to happen
Did the events of the episode happen before or after the formation of the Haudenosaunee? That would matter for the political structure of a Kanienʼkehá꞉ka superpower.
We don't have a definite date for the confederation but it's possible it was founded, the episode happened in 1500's, the Spanish expedition was that far north because they were seeking the Fountain of Youth instead of gold.
Whoever wrote this is as bad at history as they are at writing a story with basic conflict.
Just so everyone gets to laugh at said idiot, as they should, it took them till the 1700's to make it to vancouver and the Fountain of Youth legends literally had them going the exact opposite way. You could not have fricked this up harder if you said they thought it was in Antartica.
Bruh there was a space stone powered native civil war. If there's anything that's gonna attract the spanish, its those kinda rumors.
yeah but you never will because the ep ends there and we are switching to whatever endgame Strange is cooking up. you could have seen what you wanted if they had started at the ep at the point where that world was created.
As long as Kahhori and crew don't bite it in the final episode, there's always a chance.
Chance of what? theoretically good ep somewhere down the line instead of one right now?
Considering how badly written and narrativly masturbatory this is, the chances of it being anything other than Wakanda but native americans also with no stakes and just instant winning are 0. They're literally incapable of doing something else. They have shown time and time again they just plain can't manage it no matter how hard they try. They don't have the ability, they don't have the ideas. This shit? This is the best they can do, as awful as it is.
At some point we need to stop blaming them for failing and just accept the people approving this should not have hired someone this bad at their job in the first place. You don't expect a short guy to be great at slam dunking, you don't expect a writer for What If to be able to manage basic ass storytelling.
>They have to be pre-Crisis Superman with them right off the bat and anything otherwise would be a grave insult to women and sending them back to the kitchen.
Pre-Crisis superman literally had an entire series called Superboy dedicated to him figuring out how the frick his powers worked and 99 percent of the plots were either "Superboy can't use his powers well and fricks up" or "Superboy has to figure out how to fix thing without power".
His very first issue shows he grew up with those powers and showed he didn't know how to use them at first(In a single panel! just so you know those "But time!" complaints are bullshit) Doesn't matter though because the entire story is still shit regardless. This whole episode was just nonstop contrivance and instant fixing of every mild problem with cartoon badguys to fight. It would've been a bad story with a 10 minute training arc in the middle regardless and easily one of the worst of the series.
>We need more native American representation
Losers don't need representation.
>Losers don't need representation.
Guess we'll never see /misc/tards like you in media then, thank fricking god.
There's some nice potential here for worldbuilding with this episode. A very nice alternate history in a world without Asgard and thus without any peacekeepers within the realms.
Yeah, I'd like to see comic series or something dedicated to how this world would evolve. But I guess it would be too similar to 1602.
Yes, that exactly what would happen if superpowers existed then. What the frick are you trying to argue?
>Yes, that exactly what would happen if superpowers existed then. What the frick are you trying to argue?
Lack of stakes, lack of conflict, lack of sense, lack of question as to "What if?" It's a fundamentally broken premise because it offers no venues for anything interesting to be said or anything to threaten the main characters obvious and inevitable victory.
Disney continues to shock the world by showcasing that yes, there is in fact a writer so stupid they just said "Here's a character that has absolutely zero chance of losing because she got and instantly mastered a new magic powerup" and pretended this was a narrative instead of just a naked statement. Not only was there a writer so bad they just said "And then my new character wins and is the bestest, the end.", but nobody said anything. This is the level of idiot across the entire writers room. GodDAMN
Try and imagine being the one writer who understands even a basic ass bedtime story and wanting to speak up about how this is essentially just a writer jacking off an imaginary character for the entire runtime, only to realize you’d be arguing against making a native woman perfect in that bubble of a writers room. There are many depictions of hell across the world, few as dark an existence. God himself could not save you if you were a white guy in that room of stupidity
Like I can imagine Northern European history is heavily altered especially without the Norse.
>Yes, that exactly what would happen if superpowers existed then. What the frick are you trying to argue?
Nah. In "realistic" (lol) situation the Spanish that fell into the other world would also get god powers and it would turn into
Magic native chick should've just been Marvel 1602 Sentry and fought the 1602 Avengers.
But seeing a bunch of Spaniards getting killed is fun.
I mean, the Conquistadors really were a bunch of buttholes.
They teamed up with the tribes that were subordinated to the Aztecs and killed the evil overlords that engaged in mass human sacrifice.
Them killing other buttholes doesn't make them not buttholes, anon.
I think so. Moreoever you still have guys like Wenwu wandering about so there's still future antagonists.
And then betrayed there allies and ALSO ruled as evil overlords.
It was literally the "Under New Management" meme.
And the triple alliance was never as dominant as the Spaniards was. So if anything it was replacing one group of buttholes with a much larger group of buttholes.
Wow that was bad
Of the season 2 episodes so far I have only liked episode 1. Which is weird because I was surprised by the first season turning out to be good. and I actually expected the peggy episode to be good this season (something KOTH could manage)
I haven't watched episode 6 through to the end yet because I was annoyed at them ripping off the conceit of assassins creed 3 (same actors too?), and making the spanish the bad guys
I'm not familiar with the MCU much at all (I thought the guy in episode 3 was an alternate universe tony stark until halfway through), so if this episode is actually based on a comic it's going over my head. if it's not, it seems totally pointless
You didn't like the 80's avengers teaming up to beat Ego and preemptively cuck Scott by giving Hope a childhood friend with god powers.
It didn't do anything for me because I didn't think the characters in it were interesting or different, and it didn't raise any tension under the "what if" multiverse premise because I knew the bad guy would lose and the team would assemble as usual
I didn't follow the MCU closely, and ant man and the wasp were some that I skipped, so if there was a particular depth to these alternate characters it went over my head. but I liked GOTG, and there it was just that young star lord is a less interesting character than adult star lord
>ripping off the conceit of assassins creed 3
lolwut
>idyllic Mohawk tribe innocently guarding the repository of ancient godlike alien power, get rolled by the col-o-nizahs, edgelord-sue hero must go on revenge spree
>VO in Mohawk language
I'm not even complaining that these concepts can't work or be re-used together, but it just seems lazy on Disney's part. The language part especially, since it just seems like a pointless flex, even though it's been done before, and there's no thematic or in-universe reason the voices should be in languages the viewers aren't familiar with. The Watcher presumably isn't reading subtitles over every universe he's observing where English isn't spoken?
I wish more shows had the budget to do those sorta things. Would have been real cool to have Onyx Equinox in their actual native tounge.
Well not really innocently. They had a generational war over it where they kept killing each other for it until everyone agreed it was evil and not to bother with it, cause it didn't even really do anything but seemingly steal people
Has Carol shown up yet
So in the MCU there is
>Wakanda home of super advanced African people who were never colonized
>Ta Lo home of magical Chinese people who get powers from their Dragon Guardian
>Talokan home of Aztecs who mutated and became Atlanteans to escape Colonization
>Sky World home of Mohawk and other Native Americans who were empowered by the Tessaract and came back to end Colonization from Spain
I wonder what's next
Magic Sultanate in Spain that valiantly fought off the evil Europeans.
This but uber-mongols sacking Egypt and conquering Europe.
Isn't that just Wenwu?
Wenwu's thing is more covert. I'm talking Rome and Cairo getting the ol' Sack of Baghdad treatment.
Pretty sure he did a world conquest like once complete with invading horde.
I love how non of these countries have any diversity.
>ywn enrich superpowered native cuties
Immigrant bros...
A white guilt libtard's ultimate fantasy
Secret land of magic Neanderthals.
I dunno maybe we’ll get a billionaire white guy who has his own tower and savvy tech
Well they do need someone to take it from and give it to a white woman to be CEO even though she sucks at it, again. Both Marvel and DC love this trick, apparently!
If Disney's really spicy they might have a white king rule a kingdom so they can give it to a brown chick for a fourth time. New and unique, just like Wish!
A team up to kill the whitey
"Since Captain Carter — a woman — ended WW2, the feminist movement occurred immediately after the war," Bradley's thread reads in part. "This had a ripple effect across society leading to more female SHIELD agents, heroes, & women in positions of authority. (Check out the Strike Team at min 12) Since Peggy Carter wasn't around to found SHIELD, that responsibility fell to Hope's parents, Hank and Janet, and also Bucky, and his good friend, Howard Stark. All this lead to Hope taking on the Wasp mantle earlier."
Can't believe that Peggy Carter solved Feminism
well, that's a nice explanation, ig Hulk was just off-screen
>Captain Carter — a woman — ended WW2
What the frick are they talking about? She just fought Hydra, Cap didn't "end WW2" any more than she did. WW2 was fought against the Axis, not one particular cult of whacky nazis.
Ignore the incel, anon
Also new thread when?
>Ignore the incel, anon
The writer for the episode?
I mean you're not wrong but it's femcel. Shocking absolutely nobody.
>Also new thread when?
see
>"Since Captain Carter — a woman — ended WW2
Getting vibes from this skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR2UEnuq8Ec
especially from timestamp 2:36
...my last memory of Captain Carter during the WW2 days was being dragged into a portal, which she appeared out of fighting some kind of tentacle monster
Is Bradley telling me that Captain Carter being abducted by a hentai squid somehow ended WW2?
Hank Pym Kills Fricking Everyone is still the best one so far
He did that twice to be fair.
It's so fricking funny to me that one What If? episode did more to establish Pym's cred as an Avengers-soloing villain than Loki and Quantumania combined did for Kang
There's a reason why the AntFam won in Quantumania
Episode 5 sucks.
How did Thanos get away with leading his armies from the front with a big sword for all these years, without someone just building a melty energy staff to zap him?
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Get in here, you jerks!!!
son beats god, the children reclaim earth.
<3 you homosexuals