i honstly kinda feel bad for Brie, i dont think Captain Marvel got a chance to even be good. Carol Danvers as an alcholic superhuman is a great story to explore and bring her from unlikeable b***h to likeable bad b***h. throw in some happy upincomer from marvel like spiderman or whatever who has the hero glint in their eye and you have a perfect buddy cop movie where the younger more excited teammate gets exhausted and the angry Captain Marvel finds a way to show them that she can be a hero and there is still good in the world. instead they tried to force her into being their mainstay for WOMEN ARE POWERFUL messaging and thats really not good, specifically when the director and the editing team arent on the same page.
Brie is a great actress wasted on a shit script. The concept of Captain Marvel would work fine for a script, but MCU is obsessed with girlboss shit.
Not to mention her various awards from the Academy,golden globe, and British Academy and Actors Guild.
I think she works better in dramas and comedies than capeshit.
>The concept of Captain Marvel would work fine for a script
lmao, Captain Marvel is shit.
If Captain Marvel was a good "concept", you would be able to give us 5 great comics about her.
This shit is impossible, she is a shit character and her sex appeal was the most important part of her character.
All of this is Kevin Feige's fault, for those who don't know what happened, Disney bought Marvel comics in 2009, before the purchase, executives said they would never change just the comics, but years later Feige changed Marvel comics to its woke version, changing Carol Danvers suit to something practical and ugly, just to fit to the live action he changed Carol Danvers, who was now drawn like a man, without breasts, without any ass and with short hair, and her personality, which was praised by fans, became something toxic, imagine Lynda Carter in her prime, that's how women were before Kevin Feige woke management, and now they look like
Elliot Page, Carol Danvers book was cancelled 13 times after Feige's woke changes and the woke Ms Marvel was born, which is a sales catastrophe in comics, games and a disaster on ABC and Disney plus Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel muslin are Kevin Feige babies yes he doesn't understand what he's doing, comics and the superhero genre is a masculine brand, women like it but it's a masculine brand he made the biggest mistake of a manager
>Hey why don't you make super hero movies with female protagonist??? >Doesn't watch movies with female protagonists
Feminism is just one big meme.
Feminists be b***hing about the women on WNBA not being paid as much as the men in NBA yet they don't even show up to their games kek. Heck the NBA subsidizes the WNBA
nah it is simply a sexuality thing. not a single straight female on earth is willingly going to watch a movie about 3 fugly b***hes who don't need no man.
movies with handsome lead actors will always be the best choice for studios because they appeal to men's power fantasies and women's sexual fantasies. when you put 3 uggos as the leads of your movie you're basically destroying any chance of both sexes seeing it. only alphabet people will turn up for this shit
Marvel haven't really done any movies with female pritagonists.
> Captain Marvel was tied to Infinity War/Endgame. > Black Widow had a dead and thus irrelevant protagonist. > Captain Marvel doesn't even get a titled solo sequel that all her male counterparts got.
Marvel doesn't have any female characters that can carry one solo movie, let alone a trilogy.
>72%
wtf I swear it was 60% a few days ago. It keeps getting worse. And Ant-Man didn't even open up that huge to begin with. If the word of mouth is as bad as AM3 it's disastrous. Hunger Games will kill it the week after.
i honstly kinda feel bad for Brie, i dont think Captain Marvel got a chance to even be good. Carol Danvers as an alcholic superhuman is a great story to explore and bring her from unlikeable b***h to likeable bad b***h. throw in some happy upincomer from marvel like spiderman or whatever who has the hero glint in their eye and you have a perfect buddy cop movie where the younger more excited teammate gets exhausted and the angry Captain Marvel finds a way to show them that she can be a hero and there is still good in the world. instead they tried to force her into being their mainstay for WOMEN ARE POWERFUL messaging and thats really not good, specifically when the director and the editing team arent on the same page.
it is but the MCU turned demon in a bottle into 5 minutes of Iron Man 2 so who gives a shit, reintroduce the concept for someone else, obviously wouldnt be as good
they allude to him having a drinking problem in the IM3 flashback, and his IM2 party where he's hammered has his friends treating him like it's a relapse
>Tony was just a playboy who partied a lot, not an alcoholic.
If only there was SOME WAY of familiarizing yourself with the actual source material. If only there were SOME WAY you could google where Favreau stated they were going to use that particular storyline before Disney bought them out. You stupid frick.
>bring her from unlikeable b***h to likeable bad b***h.
This character archetype only works if the character's flaws are taken seriously or if they're ridiculed for them in some way. Marvel isn't willing or able to do that with a female character.
and this is from the new spiderman game
On one side is the most woke company in the world, Disney, and on the other the second, Sony, you already knew what was going to happen when they got together.
>i honstly kinda feel bad for Brie
What I feel is disappointment, after the failure and criticism of Gal Gadot playing Wonder Woman, I thought she would take the role and demand to wear the mask and leotard, look for Chris Hemsworth's trainers and get in shape, demand that she be faithful to the comics, but she lined up the most woke people in Hollywood that took it to the abyss She should know that she serves the audience and not woke producers and in America the absolute majority who consume superheroes are white men, stupid move Brie
>WOMEN ARE POWERFUL
I don't know who this message is even supposed to appeal to. Actual women don't want to act like men. Men don't want butch, unpleasant women.
It's like a handful of angry feminists who don't even really believe the bullshit they're crying about.
No, it's Monica Rambeau. Who at the very least has been an established character for 4 decades, unlike Riri, who was created just because they wanted more diverse crap to use later in the MCU.
She looks dumb as frick here, but she's actually kind of cute for a dark skinned sheboon. Her body is really nice. especially her ass. Would look great bouncing on my BWC.
She looks dumb as frick here, but she's actually kind of cute for a dark skinned sheboon. Her body is really nice. especially her ass. Would look great bouncing on my BWC.
cute smile and great body but that "hair" is a disaster. she looked so much cuter with straight hair in wandavision.
when will black americans learn that afros look like shit
I'm of the reverse opinion. She looks much better with that afro. I think good looking black women with normal looking white noses can pull off the afro rather well.
You have to have watched the shitty streaming shows to know who 2 of the main characters are. Did they not see this as a problem, were they just huffing their own farts and assuming they still had sufficient cultural hegemony that everyone would know about them anyway?
Chris Hemsworth is like top 3% of men. Chris Evans used to be handsome jock characters. Those women are just plain. Now, we had men like the Ant-Man actor and RDJ as Iron Man, but they were both supposed to be guys relying on their technology rather than their bodies. These are more classical characters with strong bodies.
When you have too many plain people playing superheroes it just starts looking fake. It's just "us", people from the next door in superhero suits aided by CGI. Teyonah Parris is probably the prettiest ouf ot them and they managed to make even her look plain.
They just fundamentally don't understand why the women that did like the MCU liked it, and why the ones that didn't didn't. And so now in trying to court the ones that didn't they ended up appealing to neither groups, and the men lost interest along the way too.
Women liked it for the protective chads and gratuitous shirtless scenes from the chad actors in every movie. They have no interest watching women who act like lesbians fumble about for 90 minutes.
>Expecting people to turn up to Mary Sue and the femoids
Marvel's CGI is 10x worse than it was in 2008 and their costume department hasn't evolved outside of tacticool. Why would anyone want to watch this?
>alluded to at end of infinity war >last film before endgame >alleged to be super important for endgame >makes a gorillion off the back of all of this >supposed to be leading the MCU
>basically unheard of for the next four years >film delayed again and again >lumped in with two literally whos from Disney+ shows, one of which is the least watched of all
What went wrong?
Did Brie Larson's string of absolutely awful PR mishaps sink it?
The best part is >Is a complete frigid b***h to everyone in the opening scene of Endgame >Shows up in the last 15 minutes to give Spiderman a boner
Laughable.
They made multiple mistakes with Ms Marvel.
1. They made her absolutely unlikeable.
2. They didn't give her the typical hero's journey, she just kicked ass all the time.
3. They made her too powerful. What's the point in Antman when she can literally destroy ships while flying through them.
Who wants any of that?
Thanos punching her into the horizon was the best it.
That's interesting and not that surprising, I'm not sure I'd know her besides the cheesecake posts otherwise.
I'd guess based off that the only reason she's in the MCU is because she's absolutely OP and they were starting to push the female side of the MCU.
She's so odd as a character though compared to the Avengers. Thor is pretty out-there but he's not Sentry level like her.
>I'd guess based off that the only reason she's in the MCU is because she's absolutely OP and they were starting to push the female side of the MCU.
Basically, Brian Michael Bendis liked her, so he stuck her into the New Avengers during his run.
The thing is, in the comics, at least "back in the day," I never got a sense that Carol was Sentry-level. She was just a generic flying brick. To the extent Carol had a schtick, it's that she was a frick-up who wanted to be an A-lister but was personally lacking somehow.
But yeah, as another anon said, Carol's claim to fame for a long time was that Rogue stole her powers and put her in a coma. Carol has never really topped that drama-wise.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Didn't some alien guy impregnate her with himself once?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah.
>I'd guess based off that the only reason she's in the MCU is because she's absolutely OP and they were starting to push the female side of the MCU.
Basically, Brian Michael Bendis liked her, so he stuck her into the New Avengers during his run.
The thing is, in the comics, at least "back in the day," I never got a sense that Carol was Sentry-level. She was just a generic flying brick. To the extent Carol had a schtick, it's that she was a frick-up who wanted to be an A-lister but was personally lacking somehow.
But yeah, as another anon said, Carol's claim to fame for a long time was that Rogue stole her powers and put her in a coma. Carol has never really topped that drama-wise.
>it's that she was a frick-up who wanted to be an A-lister but was personally lacking somehow.
If she had been written like Jessica Jones, powerful but with personal problems, then she might have been a hit.
But kicking everyone's ass and her only problem being "girls can't play baseball" and being a wienery fricker in every interview tanked that.
8 months ago
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>Jessica Jones
MCU/Disney really dropped the ball not developing JJ as a character.
8 months ago
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Bendis doesn't like Carol. He kicked her off the team when he purged the classic line-up and was basically forced at gunpoint to put her back on the roster (as she was the only classic Avenger Bendis didn't scorch Earth or straight up kill off in Disassembled) to try and damage control shit by his editor when the backlash against Bendis's rape of the franchise didn't go away no matter how hard Bendis and his astro-turf goons tried to silence them.
To Bendis, Carol's nothing more than a punchline about how she married her own son, who was a rape baby reincarnation of said son.
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>But yeah, as another anon said, Carol's claim to fame for a long time was that Rogue stole her powers and put her in a coma. Carol has never really topped that drama-wise.
The only reason I ever heard of her was because of the X-Men cartoon with this storyline and I still didn't know what the character looked like for years or what her powers were. I literally know way more about Sentry and The Thunderbolts than I do about Carol Danvers.
For many years she was literally known as that character that Rogue put in comma many years ago. That was all she accomplished.
Then they brought her back for whatever reason.
This isn't true, Ms. Marvel got 50 issues in the early 2000s without any sort of diversity push. That's a respectable run for a female MC in Marvel, especially when it's not being kept on life support for political reasons
>2. They didn't give her the typical hero's journey, she just kicked ass all the time.
exactly like Rey, in the blink of a finger she is the most powerful in the galaxy >3. They made her too powerful.
She faced Thanos even though he had the Infinity Gauntlet and now in this new film she can't beat a one-star villain, this is Kevin Feige's MCU
>3. They made her too powerful. What's the point in Antman when she can literally destroy ships while flying
this is a legit criticism of western comics as a whole though.
to be fair, both of those things are very comic-accurate. Several a-listers among the avengers had a beef with Carol in one way or another. And it's a well established fact Parker crushed on her, although he's been turned down after their first and only date
You got it all wrong. It was delayed because the early work was bad. She got lumped with two literally whos because they're similar characters to her. They aren't trying to tank her, the character is doing it all herself.
Yes they are. Brown woman superhero. Black woman superhero. White woman superhero and she's the strongest superhero out of all too, smashing any ceiling.
>What went wrong?
Disney thought that anything branded with the MCU would be a surefire hit, so they got wienery. Went all-in on cross-media promotions to goose those Disney+ subscriber numbers.
Disney ended up making the mistake WB did with its DC properties. They thought "it's superheroes" or "it's Character X" would be enough to sell tickets. Early MCU recognized nobody gave a shit about Iron Man or Cap, so you had to make audiences care.
>Early MCU recognized nobody gave a shit about Iron Man or Cap, so you had to make audiences care.
Yeah, early on they worked pretty hard to introduce their line-up to audiences. Nowadays they’re just slotting characters into the roles of their first line-up and expecting people to care in the same way.
What also helped the original round was having comic book fans hype up the future arcs. I remember back in college having no idea who any of these chucklefricks were and being unimpressed by one of the mediocre early entries. But I had several comic nerd friends assure me the upcoming Civil War arc was fantastic in the comics and they were optimistic about future movies. Nowadays the comic crowd all mention that the current line-up had super shitty arcs in their comics. It doesn’t encourage one to stick with it.
>But I had several comic nerd friends assure me the upcoming Civil War arc was fantastic in the comics and they were optimistic about future movies.
It was a massive clusterfrick with no clear bad guy in some books/storylines, and Tony just stopping short of putting heroes into ovens in others while everyone claps. It's fortunate the adaption was as loose as possible and more of an intimate character drama around Bucky.
>What went wrong?
I genuinely believe Captain Marvel was either a flop or vastly under performed because if it was the success Disney claims it was none of the things you listed would have happened. Her role in Endgame was also mostly removed from the movie; which doesn't make any sense at all if CM was so successful. Another thing to remember: >went on a literal MEN BAD press tour before CM dropped >after the movie dropped she did a complete 180 and started dressing bawdtier and shut up with the MEN BAD garbage
If anything she should have turned into MORE of a c**t if CM made all that money, but she did the opposite.
>overbloated franchise >bloat it even more with series made to promote your new streaming service >tie everything together to make sure even your movies are hardly accessible for neophytes >main story arc is over, but fail to redirect the attention to a compelling new one >competent boomer writers and technicians moving to retirement >now replaced with millenials who are either mediocre diversity hires or demotivated whiteys >consequence : plots are nonsensical, endless reshoots, CGI has to be redone again and agains, so each movie cost over 350 million (without marketing) >lazy and overused multiverse plot, also abused by DC movies and DC series >actually your plan is also a confusing universe reboot, just like DC movies and series did, the same plan that caused the crash of those franchises >Mr Fink forces his agenda: now it's unlikable Marie Sues everywhere >the loved and inspiring male characters you had up until now get diminished and humiliated >divisive ideology inserted into the content >to fill those requirements you adapt the Marvel Comics of the 2010's which were a commercial disaster >general capeshit fatigue
>main story arc is over, but fail to redirect the attention to a compelling new one
You can't just kill off Iron Man, Captain America and Hulk, then start filling up on C-listers like IronHeart and establish the next big bad in the final episode of a TV show.
It's absolutely fricking nuts looking back how badly they gimped the series. They wrote off so many big stories because they killed off the core of their cast.
>>Mr Fink forces his agenda: now it's unlikable Marie Sues everywhere
Who?
>killing off Iron Man, Captain America and Hulk, then start filling up on C-listers
Those characters were C-listers to begin with. The MCU success is not directly related to them, it was just a weird period in which the majority of people were starved for Cookie cutter scripts with flashy CG. After ten years, the zeitgeist is different. If you re-implement the MCU with the same formula with rebooted characters, you will not reach the same level of success either.
No way, man. Iron Man and Hulk were popular enough to have their own cartoons like the Fantastic 4. They definitely weren't "cool" and maybe weren't household names until the MCU but there's no way Echo or Agatha or Ironheart compare.
>popular enough to have their own cartoons like the Fantastic 4
Which no one watched. The f4 even got two movies which were barely not failures, and they had Chris Evans on them. Marvel before the MCU was two things: Spider-Man and the X-Men.
The age of comics is over. The time of the manga has come.
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Anonymous
He wasn't a big name when he did Captain America either. Arguably is not a big name now; he normally does cute indie movies who most people don't watch in between barely competent mainstream shit like Push, The Losers or thay last one with Ana De Armas I forgot the title of already.
London is still his best work, IMO.
8 months ago
Anonymous
He wasn't, when the F4 films came out he had like three bigger movies to his name but was a supporting character in all
Facts. Most people would name 10 superheroes before Iron Man in the 90s and 2000s, Thor was not popular at all, Cap and Hulk are definitely B list though behind the first class, Spiderman Wolverine Batman Superman.
8 months ago
Anonymous
false anon. you werent there. dont cap
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry my african american jazz brother but I am a 50 year old 292 pound man and I have read more comics than you have used toilet paper in your tiny little baby life
8 months ago
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I doubt it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I would argue that Hulk is just below Spider-Man in terms of popularity and recognition and above the X-Men, but they just don't know how to translate that into movie success.
Everyone knew the Bill Bixby show when I was a kid. Only kids knew the X-Men from comics and the cartoons.
The only one with real star power at the time of their first Marvel movie was Norton. Chris Evans has always been in between nobody and that-guy. Even today he's mainly known for playing Captain America alone. Downey Jr was always a great actor but Iron Man was his comeback to fame after SEVERE drug issues and rehab sessions that nearly tanked his career.
>Zoomer knows nothing about the world before 2010.
Downey Junior
Borderline 80's has-been in 2010, former junkie and jailbird.
Evans
D-lister who nobody knew the name of before Captain America. >>Mark Ruffalo
Failed romantic comedy lead, zero charisma.
Norton
Fight Club second fiddle to Brad Pitt, notoriously hard to work with.
Iron Man, maybe, but you can't tell me with a straight face that Captain America and Hulk are c-listers. In your mind, who are the A-listers of Marvel other than Spider-man?
you mean those were the only comics you read or heard of anon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I mean those were the comics that people who were not already comics nerds had only heard of. The popular ones.
8 months ago
Anonymous
image comics was taking over in the 90's. DC had to kill Superman and break Batman's back to get them back in the public eye. Marvel actually went bankrupt aound this this time anon. You werent there.
The Hulk has always been an immensely popular character. Cap is well-respected *within* the comics, looked to as a paragon of virtue and leadership who punches way, *way* above his weight, but among comics fans, he’s a known character but not a terribly popular one. Thor has always been more popular than either him or Iron Man. A-list in Marvel was always Spidey, Hulk, Thor, and Wolverine. I’m working from memory here, but I’m pretty sure they were all among the top-selling solo characters for decades. I’m reasonably sure that Daredevil consistently sold better than Cap or Iron Man.
The only thing I’d say you’re wrong about is that I think the performance of RDJ and Evans really helped people get invested and elevated the franchise but other than that you’re right. It’s been well over a decade since we’ve been getting these films, people are just tired of the MCU formula which shouldn’t surprise anyone. Coupled with uncharismatic leads and then you got flop after flop on your hands.
people are tired of garbage agit prop anon. if they actually focused on being entertaining and giving the audience what it wants, the MCU would still be a thing.
It's funny. They started with the woke crap in the comics and they lost a lot of readers. But instead of learning the lesson and avoiding the same mistake in the movies they repeated it as if it would magically give them a different result.
8 months ago
Anonymous
the staff are idealogues at this point so they dgaf if they end up on the street. same with what's been happening with comic companies like DC and IDW(pushed gay transformers GIJOE)
8 months ago
Anonymous
It’s the “everyday until you like it” approach
So does the fricking HULK and look at what they did to him, you window licking moron.
We were talking about diversity hires. What does Hulk have to do with that?
marvelsisters, we're so coming back
I’d buy the Monica one if it didn’t have that ugly figure on top
8 months ago
Anonymous
Marvel comics actually announced that they where gonna backtrack on wokeness because nobody wants woke comics. The fricktard leftists, who's never read a comic book in their lives, threw a fit and marvel abandoned their plans to leave woke behind. I don't know how everybody can be so fricking moronic.
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Anonymous
That's not even the worst part. Of course it's true that they are moronic and they dig their own grave, but the worst thing here is that they told those who supported them for decades, those who even went through bullying for supporting them, that they didn't want to have to do anything with them anymore. That they didn't matter. That they should go frick themselves because they didn't fit their agenda. You have to care about your audience and treat them with respect. Not doing that is a lost worst than bad selling numbers. Even if the wokeness proved to be successful what they did would still be horrible.
>After ten years, the zeitgeist is different. If you re-implement the MCU with the same formula with rebooted characters, you will not reach the same level of success either.
Currently rewatching the films and just finished Civil War. Could just be nostalgia, even though I doubt it, since I never was that big of a fan of MCU, but these films are much better than what is being released now.
>Why didn't they make the Scarlet Witch the next big bad?
Because they don't have mutants for her to wipe out, and that would have always been a mistake because Wanda is love.
Actually they should've made her the "big good" first. Have her lead the Avengers. Become a key figure. If they plan to bring the mutans make her the bridge between Avengers and muties, the public face against their discrimination.
And that way her descend to madness would've had a lot more impact. Imagine if it wasn't just Strange, but also the Avengers and the X-Men facing not just a random Avenger, but THE most important Avenger after Tony, Cap and Thor retired. It would've been a lot more meaningful, it would've made her demise really matter.
To make things worst the one who faced was Strange, who had little interaction with her previously, so instead of him fighting someone he loved she was a random baddie for him to defeat.
At the very least they should've develop her link with Strange a lot more in the Avengers movie before she lost it.
She’s still alive so we’ll probably see her again in the near future, though I don’t expect her to stick around after Secret Wars, don’t think Disney wants a walled actress which she’ll probably be by then
But the story has been already told.
In the comics it made an impact because of how much people cared about her, and because they all had to decide whether if they should kill her or not.
In the MCU no one give a frick. The only person close to her was Vision to begin with. Cap might've cared, but he's gone. And Dr Strange would rather not harm her, of course, but he didn't have such a profound relationship with her that would make him actually grieve his death.
Also if they did all I said in the previous post it would've been an interesting mirror to the way Endgame finished, with Tony's funeral. But this time a funeral attended by those who had to actually kill her.
The problem is that Downey Jr. and Evans wanted to get off their roles, so killing them was inevitable. That I can understand. But they butchered Thor and now they are trying to build everything around characters no one gives a frick about. Right now Thor and Spidey are the only two characters that could possibly lead the next generation. Dr Strange for some reason didn't quite work yet, despite him being A-list and having a very popular actor in the role. And no one likes Carol Danvers. Black Widow is gone. Thinks aren't looking good.
Dr. Strange became a side character in his own movie in MoM. And the MSHITU isnt pushing a white male character. Clea will likely take up more screen time the way theyre going if they ever shit out that 3rd movie.
If this isn't 45 solid minutes of Rhodey slinging hot lead and flinging missiles against laser drones and Metal Gears, with twenty minutes of character development, ten minutes for a breather, then it's a waste of everyone's time.
Killing off those main characters made sense, but they're not doing a good job filling that gap.
It feels like The Avengers just fell apart. There are a few side characters and children hanging around, but there's no organization anymore.
What big characters do they still have left? >Spiderman mindwiped the planet so he could be a friendly neighborhood spiderman again. >Strange was always separate as the sorcerer supreme, and now he's not even that. >Captain Marvel, Thor, and the Guardians are fricking around in space and barely care about Earth. >Ant Man has never been a very popular character. >Hulk is still hanging around, but it doesn't feel like it. >Vision came back as White Vision or whatever, but we haven't seen him since so there's no telling what remains of him.
Fury should still be there, but they fricked the character beyond repair. Turns up he never was a super spy, he was just an useless butthole who had skrulls do his job for him.
If they ever begin the "MCU" anew I hope they bring the REAL Fury back. With the white hair in the sides, his classic blue attire and everything.
The world of the MCU sure feels empty as frick. They should just make a movie where they introduce a frickton of new capes (even if they're just footnotes that will get developed later) and revitalize the world a little bit because damn.
>hey should just make a movie where they introduce a frickton of new capes (even if they're just footnotes that will get developed later) and revitalize the world a little bit because damn.
...So Phase 4 and 5 then and everybody hates both
>>to fill those requirements you adapt the Marvel Comics of the 2010's which were a commercial disaster >can't do any of the avengers v xmen films because you don't have the xmen >can't do any typical avengers stories because the original avengers are all dead >what do we have >femthor
Marvel should've made a "buddy cop" crossover movie with DC's Shazam.
The box office of an unlikable b***h with superpowers and a man-child with magic powers teaming up would've been higher than both movies combined.
If the authors were intentionally writing her as an unlikable b***h, I’d watch it.
I don’t mind characters being c**ts as long as it’s on purpose. It’s only insufferable when the writers mistakenly think they’re writing a cool character.
I'm not with the seething manchildren ITT who clap because the woman who was mean to them is failing - get a grip, you pussies - but the movie genuinely looks terrible from the trailers. There's a character saying the line YOU TOOK EVERYTHING FROM ME, even. It looks cheap and unimaginative, so I won't be surprised if it performs poorly.
They will be making a big pivot to focusing on video games instead but the issue there is that video games take a crazy amount of time to make compared to movies. AAA games take 5 or 6 years to make now.
The problem is that Downey Jr. and Evans wanted to get off their roles, so killing them was inevitable. That I can understand. But they butchered Thor and now they are trying to build everything around characters no one gives a frick about. Right now Thor and Spidey are the only two characters that could possibly lead the next generation. Dr Strange for some reason didn't quite work yet, despite him being A-list and having a very popular actor in the role. And no one likes Carol Danvers. Black Widow is gone. Thinks aren't looking good.
>The problem is that Downey Jr. and Evans wanted to get off their roles, so killing them was inevitable.
They could have recast, although Iron Man ending it was fitting.
>But they butchered Thor and now they are trying to build everything around characters no one gives a frick about.
Exactly this and it's made even worse by the fact Hemsworth seems upset at what they've done with the character.
>Right now Thor and Spidey are the only two characters that could possibly lead the next generation.
And Sony still have the rights.
>Dr Strange for some reason didn't quite work yet, despite him being A-list and having a very popular actor in the role.
He's no longer Sorceror Supreme and Wanda stole his sequel so he's not in a good place either.
>And no one likes Carol Danvers. Black Widow is gone. Thinks aren't looking good.
It's OK we've got female Black Panther and Iron Heart and Echo and Cassie and Echo. Things are looking good.
They are recasting iron man, they are recasting everyone in phase 5 to be the “true mcu” where we have Steve Roger’s and Logan fighting in world war 2 etc
It’s the same plan as they had in The Producers only for a modern era. They line their pockets with multimillion dollar paychecks and leave the institutional investors (such as those managing union pension plans) holding the bag.
these new heroes are to appeal to zoomers but they don’t care about capeshit. they overwhelmingly prefer anime. the ones who cared about the infinity saga are in their 30s and 40s now and don’t want to dedicate another 10 Years of their life following 30 movies and 15 shows
Unironically, the downfall of the MCU is that none of their new movies have romantic subplots. Nobody want to admit that token romantic subplot make a movie into a "date movie," appeal to female viewers, and appeal to male fantasies.
Tony had Pepper. Thor had Jane Foster. Steve had Peggy. Star Lord had Gamora. Strange had Whatshername. Peter had MJ and Liz.
Oh well. They wanted a diversity-fest that de-emphasizes white heroes. They even outright want to eliminate Brie to have the brown and black girls take over the title. And bright-colored CGI special effects no longer impress audiences.
Monica would be an upgrade, Kamala would be a sidegrade, she’s both better and worse than Carol
Oh well. They wanted a diversity-fest that de-emphasizes white heroes. They even outright want to eliminate Brie to have the brown and black girls take over the title. And bright-colored CGI special effects no longer impress audiences.
Ms Marvel was always a supporting character in the comics and you'd be hard pressed to figure out what exact personality she's supposed to have.
They didn't really misstep with the first movie apart from casting Brie.
When you have a character like Ms Marvel in the lead you have to find a suitable actress to carry the role with charisma and charn, and Brie is not suitable for that. She belongs in some mopey drama or whatnot, not a fun romp where an actress has fun with the role.
I'm not sure who they should've cast but she was definitely the wrong person since she's pretty much unlikeable.
My choice would be Samara Weaving. She would've handled it better I think and she can handle comedy.
>replace black actor and expect people not to notice >rereplace that actor >reedit movie so the original "Captain Marvel gets her face beat in by the black woman" is now about friendship and womanhood
Yeah. It was always doomed to be shit.
When the initial ones (iron man, Thor etc) started, they had rwo things going for them: a) audiences weren't bloated with capeshit left and right, so they felt more interesting and b) because capeshit and universe shit wasn't a stablished thing, writers had to actually write a good script that would get audiences engaged
But now the mouse hasn't gotten too self assured. They now think they can churn out boring slop, as long it includes a known character ( or at least, an existing comic character), and some color pandering they'll make bucks
Incidentally, they have the same mind with their disney live action remakes: just pandering, frick writing. To similar results
Except audiences do care about writing, don't care about pandering as much as they pretend to in social media, and are also tired of capeshit. Moreso because not only is it everywhere, you can't just pick up a random movie to watch, you need to have watch X TV series and Y movies to understand
This movie is the definition of throwing everything into the wall to see what sticks.
You can not make a female superhero movie without sex appeal. It literally doesn't work. Both Harley Queen and Wonder Woman were successful for this reason.
No one wants to watch 3 unappealing lesbians with subpar wooden acting.
was harley quin succcessful though? Wonder Woman 1 was actually pretty good until the third act. But the thing is shes an interesting legacy character with a lot of great backstory. Theres no other female charcter that compares. All the other ones are basically clones of their male counterparts.
No one watched cat woman either. It's not a new phenomenon.
Marvel deserves what happened to them, to be honest. They went to hire someone who worked in a publisher that didn't even last two years. What could've gone wrong, right?
And I can't believe the gall of this gal. She managed to drop sales everywhere and she's proud of it just because she got to do her fanfic self-insert? What a pathetic prostitute. Give her more time and Marvel will end like Virgin Comics.
So did they crowbar in two other heroes because they knew Brie can't lead a movie on her own and genuinely believe this will help, because they want to tank three at once so they can wash their hands of them, or so when it fails they can rescue one name and throw the others under the bus?
>a combination of the movie being shit and Larson being PR poison kills fan interest in the character >I know, let's team her up with literally who from Wandavision and a literally who from a literally who watched show
TV Disney feeding up into movie Disney was a mistake. According to their new book, it was forbidden for that to happen previously (via Agents of Shield etc).
>have attractive female action hero star solo in a hugely successful film >shoehorn a fat little pig girl from a CW-tier streaming series into the sequel
No complaints about the black chick
i've got my imax ticket. big screen only 5 pounds.
Noones is going to the cinema. its hilarious. There's frick all movies in the cinema also. I'm only going because im walking to lose weight. So I'll walk 10 miles to the cinema, watch the movie and then walk back. Its a little treat and a pit stop for myself.
Helps as well its a morning showing so no Black folk or kids are around. Its quite kino having a big cinema to virtually yourself.
i just think it is the funniest shit that the problems with comic books are replicated in the productions of these movies but they can't just roll back the clock with reboots every 2 years and actors actually die or just stop acting so they have to do something else.
mr gaye I don't feel so good..
They had one job and failed miserably
>fridge body man jaw prostitute
No thanks. Brie has a better body.
>Brie has a better body.
>those knees
Yes but I’ve never seen her come anywhere close to this level again
>Brie has a better body.
Tom Holland has more ass than Brie.
>fridge body man jaw prostitute
literally describing brie
This is going to be their biggest flop.
>fridge body man jaw prostitute
>No thanks. Brie has a better body.
You literally just described Brie's body.
Waifugays are fricking delusional
Brie is a great actress wasted on a shit script. The concept of Captain Marvel would work fine for a script, but MCU is obsessed with girlboss shit.
>Brie is a great actress
lol, lmao even
People loved her in other movies like Scott Pilgrim. Her being a woke liberal doesn't mean she doesn't have talent.
Not to mention her various awards from the Academy,golden globe, and British Academy and Actors Guild.
I think she works better in dramas and comedies than capeshit.
Awards don't mean anything these days.
>The concept of Captain Marvel would work fine for a script
lmao, Captain Marvel is shit.
If Captain Marvel was a good "concept", you would be able to give us 5 great comics about her.
This shit is impossible, she is a shit character and her sex appeal was the most important part of her character.
Frick Brie Larson
Not sure why you got so many (You)s, you're not wrong.
On what planet is Larson hotter than Robbie?
Seek help
NTA but Earth
>Brie has a better body.
margot robbie wishes she had the body of jamie presley
holy yumola
was that actually her? Im inclined to believe so but still..
Of course it was Jaime was a literal Playboy model before getting into Hollywood.
gymnast
Deeeeeeeeeelicious.
Prime Jamie was literal perfection.
MUH
FRICKING
DICK
HNNNNNNG
All of this is Kevin Feige's fault, for those who don't know what happened, Disney bought Marvel comics in 2009, before the purchase, executives said they would never change just the comics, but years later Feige changed Marvel comics to its woke version, changing Carol Danvers suit to something practical and ugly, just to fit to the live action he changed Carol Danvers, who was now drawn like a man, without breasts, without any ass and with short hair, and her personality, which was praised by fans, became something toxic, imagine Lynda Carter in her prime, that's how women were before Kevin Feige woke management, and now they look like
Elliot Page, Carol Danvers book was cancelled 13 times after Feige's woke changes and the woke Ms Marvel was born, which is a sales catastrophe in comics, games and a disaster on ABC and Disney plus Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel muslin are Kevin Feige babies yes he doesn't understand what he's doing, comics and the superhero genre is a masculine brand, women like it but it's a masculine brand he made the biggest mistake of a manager
Nice
Let's see her c**t
If you change it to Jaime Pressly that body might be somewhat accurate
Jeez Barbie looks like that?
Feminists be b***hing about the women on WNBA not being paid as much as the men in NBA yet they don't even show up to their games kek. Heck the NBA subsidizes the WNBA
Mamma mia
>Hey why don't you make super hero movies with female protagonist???
>Doesn't watch movies with female protagonists
Feminism is just one big meme.
people should stop listening to loud minorities
Women won't go to a movie alone like a guy would. They only go as a large group or if someone else is paying for their ticket
I go alone all the time
that's why ywnbaw
nah it is simply a sexuality thing. not a single straight female on earth is willingly going to watch a movie about 3 fugly b***hes who don't need no man.
movies with handsome lead actors will always be the best choice for studios because they appeal to men's power fantasies and women's sexual fantasies. when you put 3 uggos as the leads of your movie you're basically destroying any chance of both sexes seeing it. only alphabet people will turn up for this shit
Marvel haven't really done any movies with female pritagonists.
> Captain Marvel was tied to Infinity War/Endgame.
> Black Widow had a dead and thus irrelevant protagonist.
> Captain Marvel doesn't even get a titled solo sequel that all her male counterparts got.
Marvel doesn't have any female characters that can carry one solo movie, let alone a trilogy.
>72%
wtf I swear it was 60% a few days ago. It keeps getting worse. And Ant-Man didn't even open up that huge to begin with. If the word of mouth is as bad as AM3 it's disastrous. Hunger Games will kill it the week after.
>Rachel Zegler movie
They’ll both bomb and get dabbed on by FNaF
Fast n Furious?
Fap nights at Frennie’s
>Ugly costumes
>Literally who is the black chick
>Not watching capeshit on D+ to find out
Like seriously, has the black chick been in anything else besides Wandavision?
Add to it that creature on the left. These casts are literally the 'these will sell our movie' in the flesh.
>has the black chick been in anything else besides Wandavision
Captain Marvel
Yay I can't wait for Diversity Hire 1 & 2 and Captain Feminism to preach for 90 minutes.
Monica Rambeau predates the woke comic era though
Yeah, she was created in 1982. I don't mind her. I do mind Iron Heart, which was clearly created to be Tony's replacement once RDJ had enough.
BMB was trying to create another Miles Morales reskinnned in the Iron Man suit.
Bendis’s cuck fetish will end up transcending time and space itself. He thinks this is a good thing.
So does the fricking HULK and look at what they did to him, you window licking moron.
hopefully it kills the now mshitu permanently so Disney sells off the brand to people who actually like the property ala Power Rangers.
i honstly kinda feel bad for Brie, i dont think Captain Marvel got a chance to even be good. Carol Danvers as an alcholic superhuman is a great story to explore and bring her from unlikeable b***h to likeable bad b***h. throw in some happy upincomer from marvel like spiderman or whatever who has the hero glint in their eye and you have a perfect buddy cop movie where the younger more excited teammate gets exhausted and the angry Captain Marvel finds a way to show them that she can be a hero and there is still good in the world. instead they tried to force her into being their mainstay for WOMEN ARE POWERFUL messaging and thats really not good, specifically when the director and the editing team arent on the same page.
>Father-in-law what are you doing?
>Carol Danvers as an alcholic superhuma
that's just a ripoff of Ironman. but worse cause it's brie
it is but the MCU turned demon in a bottle into 5 minutes of Iron Man 2 so who gives a shit, reintroduce the concept for someone else, obviously wouldnt be as good
id rather just let marvlel die. it's just unoriginal, progressive drivel at this point. give us an original/new franchise, not marvel flick #72
I think you're confusing Tony Stark with RDJ. Tony was just a playboy who partied a lot, not an alcoholic.
they allude to him having a drinking problem in the IM3 flashback, and his IM2 party where he's hammered has his friends treating him like it's a relapse
You have never read any Iron man have you?
No and neither has the man in charge of the MCU which is why it's considered it's own thing by most.
that doesnt invalidate his point anon.
>Tony was just a playboy who partied a lot, not an alcoholic.
If only there was SOME WAY of familiarizing yourself with the actual source material. If only there were SOME WAY you could google where Favreau stated they were going to use that particular storyline before Disney bought them out. You stupid frick.
>bring her from unlikeable b***h to likeable bad b***h.
This character archetype only works if the character's flaws are taken seriously or if they're ridiculed for them in some way. Marvel isn't willing or able to do that with a female character.
Sounds like you want more jessica jones
Carol Danvers was an alcoholic frickup a decade before Jessica Jones was even created
Jessica Jones was supposed to be Jessica Drew but Marvel didnt like what Testicle head had in mind (getting sodomized by power man)
>google jessica drew
>this is what comes up now
I was wondering who that niglet was, never thought it would be a race swapped bogged Jessica Drew.
I miss Michael Turner.
and this is from the new spiderman game
On one side is the most woke company in the world, Disney, and on the other the second, Sony, you already knew what was going to happen when they got together.
>WOMEN ARE POWERFUL
It is been used in every production by hollywood. Very boring and predictable
>i honstly kinda feel bad for Brie
What I feel is disappointment, after the failure and criticism of Gal Gadot playing Wonder Woman, I thought she would take the role and demand to wear the mask and leotard, look for Chris Hemsworth's trainers and get in shape, demand that she be faithful to the comics, but she lined up the most woke people in Hollywood that took it to the abyss She should know that she serves the audience and not woke producers and in America the absolute majority who consume superheroes are white men, stupid move Brie
>WOMEN ARE POWERFUL
I don't know who this message is even supposed to appeal to. Actual women don't want to act like men. Men don't want butch, unpleasant women.
It's like a handful of angry feminists who don't even really believe the bullshit they're crying about.
is that iron heart on the right?
What the frick is up with those breasts?
Big Jim Shooter came back to rescue the company (again) and decided that every female character needs big breasts.
A hero
#blessed
I ignored the pic until I read your post. Lmfao! It's crazy how small details like that make female characters infinitely more likeable.
Are those real?
and they're spectacular
No, it's Monica Rambeau. Who at the very least has been an established character for 4 decades, unlike Riri, who was created just because they wanted more diverse crap to use later in the MCU.
Jesus Christ why do big sagging black breasts make me insane.
Looks like a jailbait photoshop
Uh YA NO DOY EINSTEIN
because you're a straight male.
She is already adult compared to the other kids...
She was 35 in that particular storyline and still hadn't made it through high school.
Busted out laughing when I finally noticed them. Thanks man.
>But... I did have breakfast this morning...
She looks dumb as frick here, but she's actually kind of cute for a dark skinned sheboon. Her body is really nice. especially her ass. Would look great bouncing on my BWC.
cute smile and great body but that "hair" is a disaster. she looked so much cuter with straight hair in wandavision.
when will black americans learn that afros look like shit
I'm of the reverse opinion. She looks much better with that afro. I think good looking black women with normal looking white noses can pull off the afro rather well.
You have to have watched the shitty streaming shows to know who 2 of the main characters are. Did they not see this as a problem, were they just huffing their own farts and assuming they still had sufficient cultural hegemony that everyone would know about them anyway?
This whole time I thought it was a Disney+ exclusive, I didn't realize they were bringing it to theaters
What the frick is this image???
Chris Hemsworth is like top 3% of men. Chris Evans used to be handsome jock characters. Those women are just plain. Now, we had men like the Ant-Man actor and RDJ as Iron Man, but they were both supposed to be guys relying on their technology rather than their bodies. These are more classical characters with strong bodies.
When you have too many plain people playing superheroes it just starts looking fake. It's just "us", people from the next door in superhero suits aided by CGI. Teyonah Parris is probably the prettiest ouf ot them and they managed to make even her look plain.
They just fundamentally don't understand why the women that did like the MCU liked it, and why the ones that didn't didn't. And so now in trying to court the ones that didn't they ended up appealing to neither groups, and the men lost interest along the way too.
Women liked it for the protective chads and gratuitous shirtless scenes from the chad actors in every movie. They have no interest watching women who act like lesbians fumble about for 90 minutes.
This, plus even if they are the self-inserting types, no one wants to fantasize about being a frumpy b***h in an unflattering bodysuit.
>Expecting people to turn up to Mary Sue and the femoids
Marvel's CGI is 10x worse than it was in 2008 and their costume department hasn't evolved outside of tacticool. Why would anyone want to watch this?
What a surprise, a film no one asked for, with characters no one cares about and actors everyone hates. Its bound to be a "banger"
Quantumania made $476 Million
So The Marvels is projected to make $85 Million, that isn't good since it cost about $270 Million to make
>alluded to at end of infinity war
>last film before endgame
>alleged to be super important for endgame
>makes a gorillion off the back of all of this
>supposed to be leading the MCU
>basically unheard of for the next four years
>film delayed again and again
>lumped in with two literally whos from Disney+ shows, one of which is the least watched of all
What went wrong?
Did Brie Larson's string of absolutely awful PR mishaps sink it?
The best part is
>Is a complete frigid b***h to everyone in the opening scene of Endgame
>Shows up in the last 15 minutes to give Spiderman a boner
Laughable.
They made multiple mistakes with Ms Marvel.
1. They made her absolutely unlikeable.
2. They didn't give her the typical hero's journey, she just kicked ass all the time.
3. They made her too powerful. What's the point in Antman when she can literally destroy ships while flying through them.
Who wants any of that?
Thanos punching her into the horizon was the best it.
even before she got turned into carl manvers the character just couldnt get any traction. Stan Lee says this himself in an interview
That's interesting and not that surprising, I'm not sure I'd know her besides the cheesecake posts otherwise.
I'd guess based off that the only reason she's in the MCU is because she's absolutely OP and they were starting to push the female side of the MCU.
She's so odd as a character though compared to the Avengers. Thor is pretty out-there but he's not Sentry level like her.
>I'd guess based off that the only reason she's in the MCU is because she's absolutely OP and they were starting to push the female side of the MCU.
Basically, Brian Michael Bendis liked her, so he stuck her into the New Avengers during his run.
The thing is, in the comics, at least "back in the day," I never got a sense that Carol was Sentry-level. She was just a generic flying brick. To the extent Carol had a schtick, it's that she was a frick-up who wanted to be an A-lister but was personally lacking somehow.
But yeah, as another anon said, Carol's claim to fame for a long time was that Rogue stole her powers and put her in a coma. Carol has never really topped that drama-wise.
Didn't some alien guy impregnate her with himself once?
Yeah.
>it's that she was a frick-up who wanted to be an A-lister but was personally lacking somehow.
If she had been written like Jessica Jones, powerful but with personal problems, then she might have been a hit.
But kicking everyone's ass and her only problem being "girls can't play baseball" and being a wienery fricker in every interview tanked that.
>Jessica Jones
MCU/Disney really dropped the ball not developing JJ as a character.
Bendis doesn't like Carol. He kicked her off the team when he purged the classic line-up and was basically forced at gunpoint to put her back on the roster (as she was the only classic Avenger Bendis didn't scorch Earth or straight up kill off in Disassembled) to try and damage control shit by his editor when the backlash against Bendis's rape of the franchise didn't go away no matter how hard Bendis and his astro-turf goons tried to silence them.
To Bendis, Carol's nothing more than a punchline about how she married her own son, who was a rape baby reincarnation of said son.
>But yeah, as another anon said, Carol's claim to fame for a long time was that Rogue stole her powers and put her in a coma. Carol has never really topped that drama-wise.
The only reason I ever heard of her was because of the X-Men cartoon with this storyline and I still didn't know what the character looked like for years or what her powers were. I literally know way more about Sentry and The Thunderbolts than I do about Carol Danvers.
For many years she was literally known as that character that Rogue put in comma many years ago. That was all she accomplished.
Then they brought her back for whatever reason.
Link to the interview?
This isn't true, Ms. Marvel got 50 issues in the early 2000s without any sort of diversity push. That's a respectable run for a female MC in Marvel, especially when it's not being kept on life support for political reasons
>2. They didn't give her the typical hero's journey, she just kicked ass all the time.
exactly like Rey, in the blink of a finger she is the most powerful in the galaxy
>3. They made her too powerful.
She faced Thanos even though he had the Infinity Gauntlet and now in this new film she can't beat a one-star villain, this is Kevin Feige's MCU
>3. They made her too powerful. What's the point in Antman when she can literally destroy ships while flying
this is a legit criticism of western comics as a whole though.
to be fair, both of those things are very comic-accurate. Several a-listers among the avengers had a beef with Carol in one way or another. And it's a well established fact Parker crushed on her, although he's been turned down after their first and only date
up in the last 15 minutes to give Spiderman a boner
>Hey Peter Parker. You got something for me?
You got it all wrong. It was delayed because the early work was bad. She got lumped with two literally whos because they're similar characters to her. They aren't trying to tank her, the character is doing it all herself.
>She got lumped with two literally whos because they're similar characters to her.
They're really not at all similar.
Yes they are. Brown woman superhero. Black woman superhero. White woman superhero and she's the strongest superhero out of all too, smashing any ceiling.
>What went wrong?
Disney thought that anything branded with the MCU would be a surefire hit, so they got wienery. Went all-in on cross-media promotions to goose those Disney+ subscriber numbers.
Disney ended up making the mistake WB did with its DC properties. They thought "it's superheroes" or "it's Character X" would be enough to sell tickets. Early MCU recognized nobody gave a shit about Iron Man or Cap, so you had to make audiences care.
>Early MCU recognized nobody gave a shit about Iron Man or Cap, so you had to make audiences care.
Yeah, early on they worked pretty hard to introduce their line-up to audiences. Nowadays they’re just slotting characters into the roles of their first line-up and expecting people to care in the same way.
What also helped the original round was having comic book fans hype up the future arcs. I remember back in college having no idea who any of these chucklefricks were and being unimpressed by one of the mediocre early entries. But I had several comic nerd friends assure me the upcoming Civil War arc was fantastic in the comics and they were optimistic about future movies. Nowadays the comic crowd all mention that the current line-up had super shitty arcs in their comics. It doesn’t encourage one to stick with it.
>But I had several comic nerd friends assure me the upcoming Civil War arc was fantastic in the comics and they were optimistic about future movies.
It was a massive clusterfrick with no clear bad guy in some books/storylines, and Tony just stopping short of putting heroes into ovens in others while everyone claps. It's fortunate the adaption was as loose as possible and more of an intimate character drama around Bucky.
>What went wrong?
I genuinely believe Captain Marvel was either a flop or vastly under performed because if it was the success Disney claims it was none of the things you listed would have happened. Her role in Endgame was also mostly removed from the movie; which doesn't make any sense at all if CM was so successful. Another thing to remember:
>went on a literal MEN BAD press tour before CM dropped
>after the movie dropped she did a complete 180 and started dressing bawdtier and shut up with the MEN BAD garbage
If anything she should have turned into MORE of a c**t if CM made all that money, but she did the opposite.
When are Captain America and Iron Man coming back?
just recast with cheaper actors. the multiverse crap solves this
Yeah because casting literal WHO's isnt what's killing MCU right now. moron.
moron? who you?
>people don't want to watch GURL POWER: the movie
Who would have thought.
>overbloated franchise
>bloat it even more with series made to promote your new streaming service
>tie everything together to make sure even your movies are hardly accessible for neophytes
>main story arc is over, but fail to redirect the attention to a compelling new one
>competent boomer writers and technicians moving to retirement
>now replaced with millenials who are either mediocre diversity hires or demotivated whiteys
>consequence : plots are nonsensical, endless reshoots, CGI has to be redone again and agains, so each movie cost over 350 million (without marketing)
>lazy and overused multiverse plot, also abused by DC movies and DC series
>actually your plan is also a confusing universe reboot, just like DC movies and series did, the same plan that caused the crash of those franchises
>Mr Fink forces his agenda: now it's unlikable Marie Sues everywhere
>the loved and inspiring male characters you had up until now get diminished and humiliated
>divisive ideology inserted into the content
>to fill those requirements you adapt the Marvel Comics of the 2010's which were a commercial disaster
>general capeshit fatigue
Pretty much all this. They should've ended it at Thanos, wait a few years and start again with an all new cast.
>main story arc is over, but fail to redirect the attention to a compelling new one
You can't just kill off Iron Man, Captain America and Hulk, then start filling up on C-listers like IronHeart and establish the next big bad in the final episode of a TV show.
It's absolutely fricking nuts looking back how badly they gimped the series. They wrote off so many big stories because they killed off the core of their cast.
>>Mr Fink forces his agenda: now it's unlikable Marie Sues everywhere
Who?
Larry Fink, CEO of BlackRock.
Didn't read gay
>killing off Iron Man, Captain America and Hulk, then start filling up on C-listers
Those characters were C-listers to begin with. The MCU success is not directly related to them, it was just a weird period in which the majority of people were starved for Cookie cutter scripts with flashy CG. After ten years, the zeitgeist is different. If you re-implement the MCU with the same formula with rebooted characters, you will not reach the same level of success either.
No way, man. Iron Man and Hulk were popular enough to have their own cartoons like the Fantastic 4. They definitely weren't "cool" and maybe weren't household names until the MCU but there's no way Echo or Agatha or Ironheart compare.
Huh? I don't understand.
>popular enough to have their own cartoons like the Fantastic 4
Which no one watched. The f4 even got two movies which were barely not failures, and they had Chris Evans on them. Marvel before the MCU was two things: Spider-Man and the X-Men.
Was Chris Evans even that big a name back then?
The age of comics is over. The time of the manga has come.
He wasn't a big name when he did Captain America either. Arguably is not a big name now; he normally does cute indie movies who most people don't watch in between barely competent mainstream shit like Push, The Losers or thay last one with Ana De Armas I forgot the title of already.
London is still his best work, IMO.
He wasn't, when the F4 films came out he had like three bigger movies to his name but was a supporting character in all
>barely not failures
kys ESL
Femthor is dead Thor is still alive
they werent c-listers homosexual
Yes they were, moron. Before 2012 the Avengers were just bargain bin Justice League.
Facts. Most people would name 10 superheroes before Iron Man in the 90s and 2000s, Thor was not popular at all, Cap and Hulk are definitely B list though behind the first class, Spiderman Wolverine Batman Superman.
false anon. you werent there. dont cap
Sorry my african american jazz brother but I am a 50 year old 292 pound man and I have read more comics than you have used toilet paper in your tiny little baby life
I doubt it.
I would argue that Hulk is just below Spider-Man in terms of popularity and recognition and above the X-Men, but they just don't know how to translate that into movie success.
Everyone knew the Bill Bixby show when I was a kid. Only kids knew the X-Men from comics and the cartoons.
>Robert Downey Junior
>Chris Evans
>Mark Ruffalo/Edward Norton
>C lister
Just stfu, zoomer.
The only one with real star power at the time of their first Marvel movie was Norton. Chris Evans has always been in between nobody and that-guy. Even today he's mainly known for playing Captain America alone. Downey Jr was always a great actor but Iron Man was his comeback to fame after SEVERE drug issues and rehab sessions that nearly tanked his career.
>Zoomer knows nothing about the world before 2010.
Downey Junior
Borderline 80's has-been in 2010, former junkie and jailbird.
Evans
D-lister who nobody knew the name of before Captain America.
>>Mark Ruffalo
Failed romantic comedy lead, zero charisma.
Norton
Fight Club second fiddle to Brad Pitt, notoriously hard to work with.
Iron Man, maybe, but you can't tell me with a straight face that Captain America and Hulk are c-listers. In your mind, who are the A-listers of Marvel other than Spider-man?
in his mind probably Batman and Superman
X-Men. In the 90s, early 2000s Spider-Man and X-Men were the bread and butter of Marvel comics, everything else was niche.
you mean those were the only comics you read or heard of anon.
I mean those were the comics that people who were not already comics nerds had only heard of. The popular ones.
image comics was taking over in the 90's. DC had to kill Superman and break Batman's back to get them back in the public eye. Marvel actually went bankrupt aound this this time anon. You werent there.
The Hulk has always been an immensely popular character. Cap is well-respected *within* the comics, looked to as a paragon of virtue and leadership who punches way, *way* above his weight, but among comics fans, he’s a known character but not a terribly popular one. Thor has always been more popular than either him or Iron Man. A-list in Marvel was always Spidey, Hulk, Thor, and Wolverine. I’m working from memory here, but I’m pretty sure they were all among the top-selling solo characters for decades. I’m reasonably sure that Daredevil consistently sold better than Cap or Iron Man.
The only thing I’d say you’re wrong about is that I think the performance of RDJ and Evans really helped people get invested and elevated the franchise but other than that you’re right. It’s been well over a decade since we’ve been getting these films, people are just tired of the MCU formula which shouldn’t surprise anyone. Coupled with uncharismatic leads and then you got flop after flop on your hands.
people are tired of garbage agit prop anon. if they actually focused on being entertaining and giving the audience what it wants, the MCU would still be a thing.
It's funny. They started with the woke crap in the comics and they lost a lot of readers. But instead of learning the lesson and avoiding the same mistake in the movies they repeated it as if it would magically give them a different result.
the staff are idealogues at this point so they dgaf if they end up on the street. same with what's been happening with comic companies like DC and IDW(pushed gay transformers GIJOE)
It’s the “everyday until you like it” approach
We were talking about diversity hires. What does Hulk have to do with that?
I’d buy the Monica one if it didn’t have that ugly figure on top
Marvel comics actually announced that they where gonna backtrack on wokeness because nobody wants woke comics. The fricktard leftists, who's never read a comic book in their lives, threw a fit and marvel abandoned their plans to leave woke behind. I don't know how everybody can be so fricking moronic.
That's not even the worst part. Of course it's true that they are moronic and they dig their own grave, but the worst thing here is that they told those who supported them for decades, those who even went through bullying for supporting them, that they didn't want to have to do anything with them anymore. That they didn't matter. That they should go frick themselves because they didn't fit their agenda. You have to care about your audience and treat them with respect. Not doing that is a lost worst than bad selling numbers. Even if the wokeness proved to be successful what they did would still be horrible.
>After ten years, the zeitgeist is different. If you re-implement the MCU with the same formula with rebooted characters, you will not reach the same level of success either.
Currently rewatching the films and just finished Civil War. Could just be nostalgia, even though I doubt it, since I never was that big of a fan of MCU, but these films are much better than what is being released now.
yeah I even enjoy ironman 2/3 now when I thought it was garbage on release
when the current stuff is so low in quality its not hard to top it.
Why didn't they make the Scarlet Witch the next big bad? And why are they waiting to bring the X men?
>Why didn't they make the Scarlet Witch the next big bad?
Because they don't have mutants for her to wipe out, and that would have always been a mistake because Wanda is love.
Actually they should've made her the "big good" first. Have her lead the Avengers. Become a key figure. If they plan to bring the mutans make her the bridge between Avengers and muties, the public face against their discrimination.
And that way her descend to madness would've had a lot more impact. Imagine if it wasn't just Strange, but also the Avengers and the X-Men facing not just a random Avenger, but THE most important Avenger after Tony, Cap and Thor retired. It would've been a lot more meaningful, it would've made her demise really matter.
To make things worst the one who faced was Strange, who had little interaction with her previously, so instead of him fighting someone he loved she was a random baddie for him to defeat.
At the very least they should've develop her link with Strange a lot more in the Avengers movie before she lost it.
She’s still alive so we’ll probably see her again in the near future, though I don’t expect her to stick around after Secret Wars, don’t think Disney wants a walled actress which she’ll probably be by then
But the story has been already told.
In the comics it made an impact because of how much people cared about her, and because they all had to decide whether if they should kill her or not.
In the MCU no one give a frick. The only person close to her was Vision to begin with. Cap might've cared, but he's gone. And Dr Strange would rather not harm her, of course, but he didn't have such a profound relationship with her that would make him actually grieve his death.
Also if they did all I said in the previous post it would've been an interesting mirror to the way Endgame finished, with Tony's funeral. But this time a funeral attended by those who had to actually kill her.
> Making your most popular female a villain.
That's a fast way to go broke, anon.
The problem is that Downey Jr. and Evans wanted to get off their roles, so killing them was inevitable. That I can understand. But they butchered Thor and now they are trying to build everything around characters no one gives a frick about. Right now Thor and Spidey are the only two characters that could possibly lead the next generation. Dr Strange for some reason didn't quite work yet, despite him being A-list and having a very popular actor in the role. And no one likes Carol Danvers. Black Widow is gone. Thinks aren't looking good.
guardians 3 was good though
Dr. Strange became a side character in his own movie in MoM. And the MSHITU isnt pushing a white male character. Clea will likely take up more screen time the way theyre going if they ever shit out that 3rd movie.
We could have had the Armor War.
>Frick it, I'll do it anyway
If this isn't 45 solid minutes of Rhodey slinging hot lead and flinging missiles against laser drones and Metal Gears, with twenty minutes of character development, ten minutes for a breather, then it's a waste of everyone's time.
Killing off those main characters made sense, but they're not doing a good job filling that gap.
It feels like The Avengers just fell apart. There are a few side characters and children hanging around, but there's no organization anymore.
What big characters do they still have left?
>Spiderman mindwiped the planet so he could be a friendly neighborhood spiderman again.
>Strange was always separate as the sorcerer supreme, and now he's not even that.
>Captain Marvel, Thor, and the Guardians are fricking around in space and barely care about Earth.
>Ant Man has never been a very popular character.
>Hulk is still hanging around, but it doesn't feel like it.
>Vision came back as White Vision or whatever, but we haven't seen him since so there's no telling what remains of him.
Fury should still be there, but they fricked the character beyond repair. Turns up he never was a super spy, he was just an useless butthole who had skrulls do his job for him.
If they ever begin the "MCU" anew I hope they bring the REAL Fury back. With the white hair in the sides, his classic blue attire and everything.
Liam Neeson is too old to play the part tho
The world of the MCU sure feels empty as frick. They should just make a movie where they introduce a frickton of new capes (even if they're just footnotes that will get developed later) and revitalize the world a little bit because damn.
>hey should just make a movie where they introduce a frickton of new capes (even if they're just footnotes that will get developed later) and revitalize the world a little bit because damn.
...So Phase 4 and 5 then and everybody hates both
>>to fill those requirements you adapt the Marvel Comics of the 2010's which were a commercial disaster
>can't do any of the avengers v xmen films because you don't have the xmen
>can't do any typical avengers stories because the original avengers are all dead
>what do we have
>femthor
You do realize femthor is the dead one right?
Marvel should've made a "buddy cop" crossover movie with DC's Shazam.
The box office of an unlikable b***h with superpowers and a man-child with magic powers teaming up would've been higher than both movies combined.
That actually works.
If the authors were intentionally writing her as an unlikable b***h, I’d watch it.
I don’t mind characters being c**ts as long as it’s on purpose. It’s only insufferable when the writers mistakenly think they’re writing a cool character.
I'm not with the seething manchildren ITT who clap because the woman who was mean to them is failing - get a grip, you pussies - but the movie genuinely looks terrible from the trailers. There's a character saying the line YOU TOOK EVERYTHING FROM ME, even. It looks cheap and unimaginative, so I won't be surprised if it performs poorly.
I don't even hate women. This shit just looks like they tried to be GotG but don't have the variety of characters to back it up.
Capeshit will die in your lifetime.
Yeah, and it will resurface in my lifetime as well. It's always happened. Things have been even worst than right now in the past.
Thank you
They will be making a big pivot to focusing on video games instead but the issue there is that video games take a crazy amount of time to make compared to movies. AAA games take 5 or 6 years to make now.
After the Avengers game flopped, I doubt it.
>The problem is that Downey Jr. and Evans wanted to get off their roles, so killing them was inevitable.
They could have recast, although Iron Man ending it was fitting.
>But they butchered Thor and now they are trying to build everything around characters no one gives a frick about.
Exactly this and it's made even worse by the fact Hemsworth seems upset at what they've done with the character.
>Right now Thor and Spidey are the only two characters that could possibly lead the next generation.
And Sony still have the rights.
>Dr Strange for some reason didn't quite work yet, despite him being A-list and having a very popular actor in the role.
He's no longer Sorceror Supreme and Wanda stole his sequel so he's not in a good place either.
>And no one likes Carol Danvers. Black Widow is gone. Thinks aren't looking good.
It's OK we've got female Black Panther and Iron Heart and Echo and Cassie and Echo. Things are looking good.
They are recasting iron man, they are recasting everyone in phase 5 to be the “true mcu” where we have Steve Roger’s and Logan fighting in world war 2 etc
If they recast Wolvie I hope they make him comic accurate for once. He should be a hairy manlet.
>take characters that consistently failed in their original medium
>do the same but even worse
>it fails
What was the plan here again?
It’s the same plan as they had in The Producers only for a modern era. They line their pockets with multimillion dollar paychecks and leave the institutional investors (such as those managing union pension plans) holding the bag.
>Cinemaphile falls for the old "lowering expectations" gambit
Movie flops, nobody is shocked because of the bad buzz and anti-chud PR prep work.
Movie does meh, WOW A SUCCESS AND TOTALLY NOT A FLOP
Movie does well, "We're so back!"
Somehow black women in Hollywood only have two kinds of haircuts
these new heroes are to appeal to zoomers but they don’t care about capeshit. they overwhelmingly prefer anime. the ones who cared about the infinity saga are in their 30s and 40s now and don’t want to dedicate another 10 Years of their life following 30 movies and 15 shows
Unironically, the downfall of the MCU is that none of their new movies have romantic subplots. Nobody want to admit that token romantic subplot make a movie into a "date movie," appeal to female viewers, and appeal to male fantasies.
Tony had Pepper. Thor had Jane Foster. Steve had Peggy. Star Lord had Gamora. Strange had Whatshername. Peter had MJ and Liz.
women dont watch capeshit for the romance subplot anon. They want to see guys like Hemsworth and Momoa take their shirts off.
Nobody wants to see the same romance subplot rehashed a million times already
Christine
Monica would be an upgrade, Kamala would be a sidegrade, she’s both better and worse than Carol
Oh well. They wanted a diversity-fest that de-emphasizes white heroes. They even outright want to eliminate Brie to have the brown and black girls take over the title. And bright-colored CGI special effects no longer impress audiences.
Ms Marvel was always a supporting character in the comics and you'd be hard pressed to figure out what exact personality she's supposed to have.
They didn't really misstep with the first movie apart from casting Brie.
When you have a character like Ms Marvel in the lead you have to find a suitable actress to carry the role with charisma and charn, and Brie is not suitable for that. She belongs in some mopey drama or whatnot, not a fun romp where an actress has fun with the role.
I'm not sure who they should've cast but she was definitely the wrong person since she's pretty much unlikeable.
My choice would be Samara Weaving. She would've handled it better I think and she can handle comedy.
She was always a vehicle for cheesecake, but since the male gaze is now verboten we get a movie with nothing that appeals to anyone.
I don't think anyone with English as a first language is watching these movies.
esl detected
Marvel-Disney is detecting them that's for sure
>replace black actor and expect people not to notice
>rereplace that actor
>reedit movie so the original "Captain Marvel gets her face beat in by the black woman" is now about friendship and womanhood
Yeah. It was always doomed to be shit.
Hubris and fatigue are the issue
When the initial ones (iron man, Thor etc) started, they had rwo things going for them: a) audiences weren't bloated with capeshit left and right, so they felt more interesting and b) because capeshit and universe shit wasn't a stablished thing, writers had to actually write a good script that would get audiences engaged
But now the mouse hasn't gotten too self assured. They now think they can churn out boring slop, as long it includes a known character ( or at least, an existing comic character), and some color pandering they'll make bucks
Incidentally, they have the same mind with their disney live action remakes: just pandering, frick writing. To similar results
Except audiences do care about writing, don't care about pandering as much as they pretend to in social media, and are also tired of capeshit. Moreso because not only is it everywhere, you can't just pick up a random movie to watch, you need to have watch X TV series and Y movies to understand
Personally, I blame toxic masculinity.
the trailer was awful
You mean charisma vacuum Brie Larson and two literally whos can't carry a superhero movie?
I'm shocked, literally shocked!
Carol Danvers, Monica Rambeau, and Kamala Khan: three generations of poorly-selling attempts to diversify Marvel Comics
This movie is the definition of throwing everything into the wall to see what sticks.
You can not make a female superhero movie without sex appeal. It literally doesn't work. Both Harley Queen and Wonder Woman were successful for this reason.
No one wants to watch 3 unappealing lesbians with subpar wooden acting.
I hope Disney crashes and burns.
was harley quin succcessful though? Wonder Woman 1 was actually pretty good until the third act. But the thing is shes an interesting legacy character with a lot of great backstory. Theres no other female charcter that compares. All the other ones are basically clones of their male counterparts.
No one watched cat woman either. It's not a new phenomenon.
remember when Carol Danvers was outselling Wonder Woman on a regular basis when she was still Ms. Marvel? Those were the good times
Marvel deserves what happened to them, to be honest. They went to hire someone who worked in a publisher that didn't even last two years. What could've gone wrong, right?
And I can't believe the gall of this gal. She managed to drop sales everywhere and she's proud of it just because she got to do her fanfic self-insert? What a pathetic prostitute. Give her more time and Marvel will end like Virgin Comics.
marvelsisters, we're so coming back
They are really struggling to sell this movie as being good.
So did they crowbar in two other heroes because they knew Brie can't lead a movie on her own and genuinely believe this will help, because they want to tank three at once so they can wash their hands of them, or so when it fails they can rescue one name and throw the others under the bus?
>a combination of the movie being shit and Larson being PR poison kills fan interest in the character
>I know, let's team her up with literally who from Wandavision and a literally who from a literally who watched show
TV Disney feeding up into movie Disney was a mistake. According to their new book, it was forbidden for that to happen previously (via Agents of Shield etc).
They made this for an imaginary audience.
They try and impose their imaginary world onto reality only to discover that irl isn't reddit.
did they actually think that people would pay to see this
I doubt I'll every pay for another Marvel movie.
I haven't paid for a marvel movie since Iron Man 3
that pajeeta is built like a fridge
the one on the right, what's that stuff on its head
guardians 3 was also behind ant-man and then it made way more. the audience no longer blindly trusts marvel movies so if it's god it will make money
>have attractive female action hero star solo in a hugely successful film
>shoehorn a fat little pig girl from a CW-tier streaming series into the sequel
No complaints about the black chick
i've got my imax ticket. big screen only 5 pounds.
Noones is going to the cinema. its hilarious. There's frick all movies in the cinema also. I'm only going because im walking to lose weight. So I'll walk 10 miles to the cinema, watch the movie and then walk back. Its a little treat and a pit stop for myself.
Helps as well its a morning showing so no Black folk or kids are around. Its quite kino having a big cinema to virtually yourself.
Look at these cool heroes. I can’t wait to see this film
Ruddbros, we are eating good
No one fricking cares about white women anymore. You have to be either a troony or a gay black man to cash in on wokegays now
>sequel to 3 movies and 3 Disney+ shows
People don't want to have to watch 18 hours of stuff to be caught up on a part 2.
Stupid font makes the i look like an l.
i just think it is the funniest shit that the problems with comic books are replicated in the productions of these movies but they can't just roll back the clock with reboots every 2 years and actors actually die or just stop acting so they have to do something else.
I don’t see characters here I just see some broads in generic costumes.
would Taylor Swift have made a better Captain Marvel?
well she's not an actor so i doubt it