>After Mayor Kingpin outlaws vigilantes in New York City and places a bounty on their heads, Spider-Man must fight numerous supervillains targeting him for the reward, and join forces with Daredevil and several other street-level heroes including Ant-Man, Echo, Kate Bishop and Jessica Jones to take the Kingpin down for good.
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I don't care for any of these characters. People say this Daredevil is good, but they're also MCUgays.
Kate is fun
Netflix' Daredevil isn't MCU, it is technically part of the mcu now but the show was made without Disney's involvement
I heard a rumor Tom Holland will be recast as Uncle Ben since this shit's never happening
O'Grady Ant-Man plz
I'm sick of Spidey having to tag team in every new film he's in. Granted DD is still ok because they're equals but still
Apparently it's part of the contract with Sony that they can't just do a solo Spider-Man movie. They have to include other non-Spidey characters and elements tying this version directly to the MCU.
This feels like it was originally a part meant to benefit Sony by associating their failing handling of Spider-Man with the successful MCU, but is now the reverse, with NWH making 2B mostly off of Sony's characters, and the MCU failing across the board.
As if Ant Man, Echo, Kate, and Jessica will help boost Spider-Man and not the other way around.
Sony hasn't made a movie with Spider-Man in it.
Kraven
Morbius
Venom
Madam web
All don't have Spider-Man in them.
Spider-Verse
It's funny. Sony has been pumping out the garbage you listed as a way to keep the Spiday rights to themselves, and yet somehow managed to make
twice, which are the best Spider-man movies we've gotten to date. Talk about hit and miss.
I'd say I'm a fan of spiderverse but they are hardly the best.
Even without the contract, it should be expected that an MCU Spider-Man would have direct connections to the MCU.
Like the plot of Homecoming is specifically about Peter being a friendly neighborhood superhero in a setting where established and more famous heroes already exist (unlike previous Spider-Man series where he was the only superhero in the world) and how that kind of affected how he did his superhero work.
Far From Home meanwhile was kind of hampered from essentially being an epilogue to Endgame because it was the first movie to come out after Avengers so it was really more of a eulogy for Iron-Man.
Then No Way Home was originally going to take advantage of this reputation by being marketed as a Spider-Man vs Dr. Strange movie to hide the real plot of it being Endgame for all the Sony Spider-Man films but then the actors for the villains just casually spoiled their return online (with Jamie Foxx even saying how he was going to be yellow in the new one).
While it would be nice to see Holland Spidey doing something on his own, non-Avengers team-ups like this and The Marvels should be happening way more often than they do.
Spider-Man teaming up with street-level capes is fine. I don't think it can be any more obnoxious than the last trilogy now that we are back to basics.
Daredevil is fine. Antman isn't really street level and the other ones, no one cares about them.
What was obnoxious about the last three?
>I'm sick of Spidey having to tag team in every new film he's in.
I think its the deal they made with sony. For him to be in the MCU he needs to interact with the other heros etc.
At least it's not more multiverse shit
Not even close
>Spider man and his less than amazing friends fight for low stakes
Yeah... marvel is out of gas and walking down the road with the gas can... couldn't have happened to a better bunch.
> HURRRR EVERY MARVEL MOVIE IS ABOUT SAVING THE UNIVERSE IT CHEAPENS IT
> HURRRR LOWER STAKES MEANS THEY'RE OUT OF IDEAS
can't win with you homosexuals huh
Ignore him he's just a Disney hate train rider.
>the only two choices are "world ending threat" and "city ending threat"
>people are already sick of both
Not my fault if you can't score when I'm moving the goalposts.
I'd say that I prefer the Devil's Reign rumors over the Sinister Sony Six ones for Spider-Man 4.
I'll complain no matter what they do.
I don't actually know what I want.
I only know what I don't want.
Which is whatever I get.
>HURR CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
So, you're defending a major corporation making a movie about one famous superhero and a bunch of literally who's.
You can't win? Well, if that's the game you want to play? You don't deserve to win anything, you sad corporate wienersucker apologist for mediocrity. damn...
>another 'civil war'
Can we just get a fricking team of supervillains fighting a team of heroes already?
That's exactly what you're getting, moron.
I meant heroes, Cap, Thor and Iron Man. Not Marvel Knights crap.
And go frick yourself with a straight razor
>Ant-Man
>Street level
uh he fricking killed Kang in his last movie
Ant-Man is like Spider-Man, he's flexible and fits the street level or the more big scale adventures.
Yeah but he’s just another bug guy lol he has a silly name lmao he’s not a real hero
I love how schrodinger Ant-Man is a now a thing, either too weak to be able to fight Kang or too strong to be considered street level
Scott really is in his own niche, that is heisting to stop a scientific threat that may lead into political and global disaster
And he just initially got involved because he was looking for a way to pay child support
If they had any guts the "street civil war" would be caused by Luke being an butthole post season 2 ending.
So bootleg Devil's Reign
>Kingpin outlaws heroes in New York
>Ant-Man is involved for some reason
Uhh...?
>for some reason
you fool there's a reason he's involved. and it's simple. it's ants
Christ, I love the idea of Scott joining along imagining he's everyone's mentor because of his seniority, but is consistently outclassed because of ineptitude. Despite this, he continues to insist he's the leader throughout the movie.
>Despite this, he continues to insist he's the leader
That doesn't really fit Scott, though.
Instead of Quill's arrogance, it's from a good place - Scott wants to protect all the kids and assumes he's best equipped for anything that comes their way. Everybody plays along because he's a good dude.
One of the set leaks for Born Again showed a Pym Foundation flag on a harbor that Fisk was walking by so my guess is they have some stake in the election.
Scott is the most famous in-universe of the lineup and has the most experience in dealing with Avengers level threats like Thanos and Kang but technically Matt outranks him in superhero seniority (DD started career like a month or two before the events of AOU) and has more experience with Kingpin. They were both hunted by the FBI so they have that in common though.
Just fricking kill the MCU already holy frickin shit
Aside ant-man and specially daredevil, because he's actually one of the few heroes that matter in the spider-man solo story, everyone else is worthless, she-hulk could have been cool but we know how that ended.
Do people even care about jessica jones, kate bishop, and specially echo? marvel even fricked up the most decent "new" hero with miss marvel.
Marvel want to tell me people care about "new" heroes like young avengers, but in my life i ever found another comic fan that actually cared about those guys in real life.
Kamala, Miles and the young Nova, are probaly the only exceptions to that rule, even scarlet witch sons are super lame in general.
Heck, heroes for hire with luke cage and iron fist could have been a cool team-up with spidey, but every nomalgay was b***hing about iron fist being white to give a damn when the character was always like that in the first place.
I hated Jessica Jones, I don't remember kate bishop, but Echo was alright.
>I don't remember kate bishop, but Echo was alright.
They were introduced in the same series. Kate Bishop is Clint's protege, the new Hawkeye.
The only good thing about Jessica jones was her jeans
Haven't seen echo yet but kate was good.
Lineup makes sense if Kingpin is the main villain. Spider-Man is the main NY street hero, Daredevil is Fisk's mortal enemy, Jessica Jones is DD's ally, Kate and Echi have fought Kingpin before. Half of them aren't iconic at all so that almost defeats any "hurr they forced Iron Man/Nick Fury/Dr. Strange into the Spider-Man movie" complaints.
The only one who sticks out is Ant-Man, because he doesn't really have any stake in or connection to the conflict.
Take out Ant-Man, replace him with Iron Fist and Luke Cage. Give Danny Rand a few cool, heroic moments, end with him getting hurt and passing on the Iron Fist mantle, then he settles down with Misty Knight and funds Luke Cage's business.
Iron Fist already ended with Danny passing down the mantle to Colleen while he went abroad to go on cowboy adventures with Ward.
>The only one who sticks out is Ant-Man, because he doesn't really have any stake in or connection to the conflict.
yfw Eric O'Grady is one of Kingpin's goons using the Pym Particles stolen by Mitchell Carson in the first Ant-Man movie, and Scott is there to retrieve them.
Eric does fit being street level
>Ant-Man
>Street level
I don't get people have said multiple times they want more hero movies focus on the character to see him grow and develop, instead now we have Peter sharing the spotllight with like 5 other heroes
>everal other street-level heroes including Ant-Man, Echo
I didn't watch Echo, but didn't the showrunner make a point before it aired that she was still a criminal and the show wouldn't try to turn her into a hero?
>recognizable hero in costume
>recognizable hero in costume
>recognizable hero in costume
>some girl?
>some girl?
>some girl?
bottom row is not marketable at all tqbh
Don't worry, Echo got an ICONIC and AMAZING new costume!
I apologize for it being in shit quality and only half of her because despite looking in google I couldn't actually find one of her IN the costume and full body. There's plenty of her costume just on a display stand but Disney seems real reluctant to show her in the full costume for utterly unknown total mystery reasons.
One of the main draws of the MCU at the start was that it actually had comic accurate, colorful costumes in contrast to the X-men movies giving everyone black leather uniforms. How did we end up with generic shit like this, Shang-chi and Eternals?
MCU designs really fell off. Especially as they put more and more Ys on everyone.
It was literally just Tony and Cap, and Cap's costume became way more muted (and much more popular) in the winter soldier. Every MCU character has had a pretty muted/dark costume, if they even GET a costume. Even most of Spider-man's costumes are a giant mess of dark reds, blues, and yellows.
>Eternals
I...... kinda like the Eternals redesign. But the rest? Sucks, though I am a sucker for Thor's latest suit.
Technically speaking, the character in the middle below does have a suit that Hawkeye himself shared in design
Although yes, I hope she has a more detailed costume in the future.
>and Jessica Jones t
She's a legal detective. The only real reason anyone would be after her is because her rampant stupidity has gotten a lot of people killed.
It's actually kind of amazing.
Usually in shows like these, the reason why villain manages to last for an entire season and get such a high kill count (I hate that particular term, but coomers ruined "body count" so frick it) is because the villain is some high IQ mastermind who's ten steps ahead of the hero and it amounts to a battle of wits as much as it does to a physical fight.
Jessica Jones chose its own unique way in that it's all about a big fight over who's a bigger idiot: herself or her villain.
Note: "unique" doesn't equal "good".
It's been a while since I've watched Jessica Jones so forgive me if I have a detail or two wrong, but I love that one episode where she tries to train Killgrave to be a good person and he tries in his own way but he's obviously gonna need some work but he's at least open to it but then Jessica says "Frick it, nevermind" because it's gonna be too much work.
There's a high chance it's just another manipulation and the show pretty much spells out he only liked it because people praised him while dismissing the act itself as a "waste of time" earlier. Not sure if trying to redeem him is in any way a reliable option. There's probably a discussion to be had about a small possibility he MIGHT change but I don't find him or anyone on that show an interesting enough character for that. What I find a lot more interesting is that he gave her tiny orders several times before the supposed big twist next episode which you'd expect a former thrall to catch onto, but this show has zero subtlety whatsoever and it needs to hammer everything down.
My personal "favorite" is the next episode where the lawyer b***h helps him escape. No checking the equipment before letting his parents inside, no thinking of any other measures.
Everyone in this show is a fricking idiot and the writing actively insults the intelligence of anyone who's not a microcephalic monkey.
>There's a high chance it's just another manipulation and the show pretty much spells out he only liked it because people praised him while dismissing the act itself as a "waste of time" earlier.
Sure, but at the same time, he's a villain making his first attempt at heroic actions. Liking the praise and thinking something like "Oh, this is a waste of time," is to be expected. He's a bad guy, he's not going to be 100% on board the very first time he does something nice. But he still did it, and from what I remember, he even succeeded at what Jessica told him to do (He helped diffuse a hostage situation, didn't he? Like I said, it's been a while). Was it just a manipulation? Would it have stuck? Who knows. But if a villain puts that much effort into doing something good and then the hero trying to redeem said villain says "Eh, frick it"... That's almost as villainous an action as anything an actual villain would do. "Yeah, I could've potentially redeemed this villain and saved countless lives in the future as a result, but eh, it was too hard, I didn't wanna."
>Not sure if trying to redeem him is in any way a reliable option.
Isn't it great that they spent a whole episode on it?
>Isn't it great that they spent a whole episode on it?
This whole show feels like a gigantic waste of time, really. Nothing was really accomplished, just misery porn for the sake of misery porn and not even good kind at that.
The main villain couldn't control the hero all along so he spends the second half of the season shitting his pants and running away (when he's not getting captured like a moron. Such a scary villain.) and trying to improve his powers. There's no way those writers would ever let a rapist get away with a win in the end of their Marvel property, especially after going out of the way to establish how stupid and pathetic he is, so there was zero tension in the finale.
>This whole show feels like a gigantic waste of time, really.
I just suddenly remembered the cop character who I think they tried to make a lame proto version of USAgent or something? Jesus Christ that show did spend a lot of time on meaningless bullshit, didn't it?
Oh boy.
It was a whole lot worse than if he was just some dumb proto-USAgent OC.
He was supposed to be Nuke.
In a better, more just universe, we would've had Nuke on Daredevil instead. Preferably if that show would've adapted Miller's Born Again instead of wasting him like this.
Who the frick is Nuke? That's the dumbest fricking thing I've ever seen. And yeah, there are plenty of characters in the MCU that weren't well known beforehand, but at least those were mostly fun characters like Rocket and Groot, not this edgelord '90s tryhard bullshit.
Assuming I'm not getting baited, read Frank Miller's Daredevil. The classic run without which any modern incarnation of Daredevil, ESPECIALLY the Netflix series, wouldn't even exist.
>Assuming I'm not getting baited
No, seriously, I've never heard of Nuke until just now. Maybe I heard of him when the Netflix show first came out and I was all "What's the cop's deal?" and I've just forgotten since then. But he's definitely not a character at the front of my Marvel awareness.
Then I recommend reading Frank Miller's DD.
It and "Born Again" storyline in particular are among the iconic Marvel books so I instantly assumed everybody on Cinemaphile is familiar with it, hence me doubting you.
Spider-Man can solo all of these losers by himself. This is never happening.
>Ant-Man throws giANTS at him
Now what lol
He's a spider, he'll just eat them.
Can Spider-Man eat 100 giant ants? Also isn't Ant-Man also able to control other bugs and not just ants?
Scott and his ANTS are no match for Spidey's spider-sense, speed and strength.
I feel it could go either way because Scott has that really good trick of going tiny to giant almost instantly and his giant form is way bigger than the one from Civil War.
>After Mayor Kingpin outlaws vigilantes in New York City and places a bounty on their heads, Spider-Man must fight numerous supervillains targeting him for the reward,
>Mayor outlaws vigilantes
>Vigilantes hunt vigilantes because cops can't do shit about supers
Uh... okay?
Don't be silly. He banned vigilantes, not supervillains.
In this movie's defense, the "The government outlaws superheroes" plot is always stupid no matter how it's done. Like in Civil War.
>"Do you know how much damage you Avengers caused in New York?"
>"Yeah? And? Your solution was nuking the entire city."
>"Well... You're still outlawed!"
Fisk will probably deputize those guys as private contractors.
Were the civil war laws ever actually repealed? And if they were, why would anyone want a do over? If they weren't, why even ban them in the first place?
>why even ban them in the first place?
fisk is a bad guy who wants to use the police to lock up the dudes getting in his way?
>wants to use the police to lock up the dudes getting in his way?
>I have eyes on Spider-man... and he's gone over a building.
>I see Doctor Strange shooting magic lasers at a giant tentacle demon, proceeding to ask if he has a license to do that!
>TONY STARK'S WEARING HIS IRONMAN SUIT! HE'S ARMED! SHOOT! *sounds of bullets plinking off armor ineffectually*
I don't know what Fisk thinks cops can do.
>Oi oi oi, wot's all this then
>Ya got a loicense for that arcane magic?
In She-Hulk, Matt mentions the Sokovia Accords had been repealed
I don't care
I want the GOAT duo
Fricking this. I was honestly pleasantly surprised by Season 2. Losing my father around the same time was a definite part of it by I honestly feel like the season was a 10/10 by comparison to the first and easily in the top 3 of the Marvel Netflix seasons...unless you're one of those people who, fairly, rates every single Daredevil season above Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and The Punisher.
Crime boss Luke Cage was shaping up to be interesting. A shame it got cancelled before we got to see it.
It really would have been interesting to see how the Bulletproof Man would have ran Harlem. And especially how Danny would be there to keep his best bro from falling to the darkness.
Ali dickriders refuse to watch the show after the first half season.
Even then Daredevil season 2 is only half good. Punisher half was decent enough but then they cribbed that to cram in magic ninjas just so they could set up their teamup movie nobody like. Suffered the Iron Man 2 syndrome of "Yeah you've got a decent story here but we really need to cram in a whole bunch of shit to set up the big teamup, so, cut that whole personal demon thing and compelling antagonist angle wayyyyy down."
Oh yeah. God! The HAND. I was so motherfricking over them as a villain. I bought into Elektra being Black Sky or whatever the frick. That was a term that was dropped back in Agents of SHIELD so it kinda took me by surprise. And then they just dragged their fricking feet. You know what was really offensive? Foggy in Season 1. They wrote him like he was jilted lover a woman in place of an actual man. Like, I get being really concerned for your best friend but everything about Foggy's obsession with dragging out an argument with Matt about where he's been and connecting the dots between his disappearances and his fatigue--God it drove me up a wall. From his dialogue to his mannerisms Foggy comes off as this super fricking clingy ex-lover instead of a bro who just understood and supported Matt. I get Matt getting that kind of treatment from the women in his life. Night Nurse and Karen. But not from an actual man. The exchange would've gone done waaaay fricking different. They wasted an entire episode having Foggy b***h and cry.
The entire Defenders saga could have easily been condensed to just the Daredevil show
>Season 1- Kingpin (the same as we got)
>Season 2- Punisher (only that, 8 eps tops)
>Season 3- Killgrave, JJ, and Luke Cage (8 eps)
>Season 4- Elektra, Iron Fist, and the Hand (10 eps)
>Season 5- Born Again, Kingpin and Bullseye (13 eps, basically the S3 we got)
damn he got a baby face
Remember when Spider-Man Movies were about Spider-Man and not C-Tier Avengers?
>Spider-Man 3
>The Amazing Spider-Man
>The Amazing Spider-Man 2
Yeah, I've had enough of that.
>ant-man
>street level hero
>one of the main reason why everyone came back after being snapped out
>somehow in a shit way, defeated a multiversal frick
I'm just glad I'll get to see Kate again in something. Phase 4 kept introducing new characters and then never using them again. I really enjoyed Shang-Chi and at this point it's been so long I've basically forgotten everything about him and his movie. I know it has Trevor from Iron Man 3 and dragons... and that's about it.
Why can't we just get a Spider-Man vs. a villain movie? Why is everything a crossover?
Despite TALKING about Iron Man, Far From Home isn't a crossover. Unless you count Nick Fury, I guess.
They made Kingpin lose to a girl. Twice. Literally FRICK Wilson Fisk and whatever plans they have with him. I don't fricking care.
>Spider-Man, Ant-Man
>two heroes audiences would be more than happy to support
>Jessica Jones has fans, me among them
>two fricking losers that the other three have to support
>Daredevil but they seem like they regret making him into this fricking idiot in She-Hulk so maybe he can be GOAT here
Damn. Damn they're just making the A-list heroes who men actually like babysit the women. Alright, well, this is all going to come down to writing. EVERYONE knows Echo is shit. I can call Kate Bishop trash all day but truth is I didn't see the series and find limited interest in her comic portrayal so this film should be treated as everyone's fricking debut to her. The EASIEST way to make she's endeared to the public is to have her flirt with and have it reciprocated by Spider-Man. People will ignore Echo unless they give her the Electro Jamie Foxx treatment and just let her be comic relief and score laughs. Rather have audiences look at Alaqua Cox and be pressed to laugh than met with contempt or worse, utter apathy.
>I can call Kate Bishop trash all day but truth is I didn't see the series and find limited interest in her comic portrayal so this film should be treated as everyone's fricking debut to her.
I was all set to find her annoying (I figured she'd be the "Look at me, old man, aren't I awesome?" *fail, fail, FAIL* type sidekick), but she's actually really funny and charming and shows her wits in a few scenes. Plus she has a nice dynamic with Yelena, which I hope to see more of... at some point. Really, the only "Ugh, why are THEY here?" in this group is Echo. Replace her with Elektra or something.
>Look at me, old man, aren't I awesome?" *fail, fail, FAIL*
Jesus christ I heard it in my head make it stop.
>but she's actually funny and charming
Thank you. All I needed. Well--no. I need Hailee to actually wear some nice attractive attire that shows off her femininity. Like, what the frick. They did the same thing with America Chavez's actress. I guarantee Dr. Strange would've had alot more positive threads if they had dressed the damn girl in the proper outfit, shitty writing and all. But yeah know Kate totally has a chance to keep momentum going since I'm taking what you're saying as gospel.
>replace Echo with Elektra
Damn that's good. That's really good. And Elektra could feasibly end any of her teammates even if they're not flatfooted is how good she is. Frick, I'm sold.
>Yelena
I forgot all about her, frick. Hell, they could've brought her in! Get some hype rolling for The Thunderbolts. As much as I shit on Florence Pugh I actually paid a ticket to see Black Widow in theaters and would like to see her bounce off of more people in a better written film.
>Get some hype rolling for The Thunderbolts.
This is another thing driving me crazy about Phases 4 and 5. They keep setting up the Thunderbolts but I've completely lost interest at this point. We shouldn't have to wait through nearly 20 movies and shows for "MCU Suicide Squad." That shit should've been released close after The Falcon & The Winter Soldier. Maybe, MAYBE, if you really want to stretch it, as the first movie of Phase 5, so it's right after a movie with Julia Louis-Dreyfus' character. We've seen this b***h like three or four times now and she still hasn't paid off yet.
>We've seen this b***h like three or four times now and she still hasn't paid off yet.
There are alot of people out who don't even know what the FRICK her function is. Or wrote her off as "girl Nick Fury", if she's acknowledged at all. Honestly aside from the fact that Julia Louis-Dreyfus I would write her as if this is the first time everyone is seeing her in order to attract as wide an audience as possible. Then I would make a conscious effort to CAST YOUNGER WOMEN because old b***hes do NOT bring young men to the yard. How many more Wonder Woman 2's do we have go through until Hollywood gets the message? Kristen Wiig being dressed down up as the "it" girl and object of affection with sexual market value high enough to compete with Wonder Woman who is canonically the most beautiful woman in all of the DC Universe? Frick out of here.
>There are alot of people out who don't even know what the FRICK her function
Evil goverment lady, Wakanda Forever literally has a scene where she admits she can't wait to see all the horrible stuff Americs could accomplish with vibranium
Oh. I never saw that. But good for her. She has a driving purpose to be an butthole.
Kingpin literally lost in the original show because he let his wife take the lead
This COULD be cool if they get some power players
>Kingpin (A given)
>Tombstone
>Hammerhead
>Silvermane
>The Enforcers
>Mister Negative
I thought this said "if they get some power rangers" at first and I was seriously confused.
You said that but I genuinely want Power Rangers in MCU, even if Power Rangers is dead and MCu sucks at the moment.
I'd really, truly enjoy Silvermane. If only because it's a guilty pleasure of hearing Kingpin's VA say his name with such distaste in his voice.
>...Ssssiiilvermaayyynne....
>Ant-Man
>street-level
didn't he save the Quantumverse or whatever in his last film?
A very small neighborhood.
Yeah and the film before that his major preoccupation was the FBI finding out he was escaping house arrest. Scott by himself likes to stay street level, but because his family are now the Pyms, he gets to be part of weird sci-fi adventures.
>Ant-Man
>No Moon Knight, Cage, Danny or Shang
Fricking garbage.
Is Moon Knight even street level?
When has Ant-Man?
His first two films were street level, even the third one has the premise of "street level hero goes up against the new big villain of the MCU"
Danny and his hot girlfriend/wife showing up and and contributing to kicking ass would be so cool. I don't feel encouraged to see Shang. Because Shang means that fricking Awkwafina's worthless character will be there. You have a character who is designed for men to want to emulate and immerse themselves into...as a package deal with an unattractive asian he isn't romantically involved with. That shit doesn't math. Katie should be deleted or reworked and recast into a proper or potential love interest so she can actually have a reason to be on screen. It is no man's power fantasy to have a platonic female sidekick he does nothing with.
>Wow, I wish I had a sister!
Frick off and get real.
Ant mans only street level in size.. spent like four movies in the quantum zone. Civil war plus avengers 4. I get their returning spiderman to street level. But ant man hasn't been street since his first movie
Nah, I say the second movie is even more street level than the first
Lmao. That sounds gay as frick haha give me some big ass breasts
Why is it so hard to gauge Ant-Man's league? is it because he can change size? Because his powers run on tech that's almost magic but the user is just a normal guy?
It's because the character and his movies themselves are low stakes but he's appeared in just as much epic stuff with the Avengers.
Yeah that could be it, in the first movie he proves himself by beating Falcon and by winning his mirror-match, then in the next time we see him, it takes the heavy hitters from team Iron Man to take him down in his new form, after that he's chasing mobsters getting into hijinks in San Francisco, then it's Thanos and his army along the other Avengers. After that he sorta took a break but then Kang happened. It sorta goes up and down, but at the same time, can you imagine Scott pulling this shit on the street?
I'm gonna say that it's because the MCU did something that the comics rarely did and that's have two the Ant-Men be together permanently. The movies dip their toes in both the street and cosmic because of the nature of Scott and Hank as characters, in the comics their niches are well defined and easy to see. Hank is the OG and founded the Avengers, is one of the smartest men on Earth but also made huge mistakes like Ultron so even though he always struggled to believe it, he does belong on the big leagues. Scott is the second Ant-Man, a guy that took a mantle that not even his predecessor was able to fully embrace, and ran with it because he just had nothing better. His life was a mess, an ex-con that struggled to pay the bills and was trying to raise a daughter, but being Ant-Man opened many doors like working as support for other heroes while he usually stayed on the street, because that's where his priorities lie, with his daughter. Having them both coexist full time inevitably leads to stories that feature both elements. I would even say that this sorta becomes an explicit theme at the very end, Cassie who is what grounds Scott, outright rejects the idea of ever wanting to have a normal life, she wants the adventure, to explore and the hero life, things that Hank brought to their lives, by the end they all embrace the fact that the are not going to be a normal family and accept the strange into their lives.
How the frick did Fisk get elected?
He had a lot of money
How did a criminal who fricks over poor people win an American election?
If the girl gets the last hit in then it better be cool. I mean Scarlet Witch killing Ultron levels of cool. She almost did that shit to Thanos.
>Ant-Man
>Street level
MCU's Ant-Man has NEVER done street-level shit.
>Bro didn't watch Ant-Man 2
It's okay, I wish I hadn't
Cut the lower row and Antman and I'll be happy.
I know the reason why people were looking forward to a proper integration of Daredevil into the MCU was so that he and the characters from his show could finally interact with the other heroes but Kingpin getting defeated "for real" in Spider-Man 4 feels like it's going to leave Daredevil and his new show hanging.
Fisk is Matt's nemesis through and through, I would love to see Spidey and Kingpin finally interact but I don't think he should be the one to beat him (and if DD is the one who beats him in SM4 then that could instead leave Peter hanging)
When I was growing up I always only knew Kingpin as a Spider-Man villain. There has already been a movie and a TV show where Daredevil has fought and beaten Kingpin. Let Spider-Man have his turn now.
How the hell does Fisk of all people become mayor of New York in mcu lwt alone have enough power to put a bounty on an avenger?
Isn't Fisk's whole deal is that he always somehow manages to gather influence and power, even in prison?
Money and charisma, combined with a lack of any moral compass, an ideological position that drives him, and an extreme talent and natural tendency to orchestrate a web of manipulation. Kingpin's god-given talent from birth isn't even being a big guy, he clearly works on being a big guy in general, even if he was given a bunch of natural gifts in the physical department. No, his most baseline inherent human talent is in being a puppetmaster either directly through lying and misinformation or indirectly through orchestrating payments and threats. He could be a brain in a jar and he'd be almost as threatening. His physique is just there to show that he's no pussy and to give him a chance at fighting pros if everything goes to shit.
Don't care about any of those other gays, just give me a Spider-Man/Daredevil movie
Ant man is not street level though. Neither is Spider-Man compared to the rest of those guys
Jessica Jones, daredevil, echo and girl Hawkeye would all get bodied by just spiderman or ant man
They could just do what they already did in Hawkeye and She-Hulk where Kingpin and Daredevil suddenly have superhuman strength and abilities to put them on the same level as the other heroes.
Meanwhile for Daredevil news
>Series was originally an episodic legal procedural but has now shifted back to the gritty serialized crime drama of the Netflix show
>Filming starts January 22
>Writer Dario Scardapane, who worked on Netflix’s Marvel show The Punisher, and the directing team of Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead, who helmed episodes of season two of Loki, were brought in change the direction of the series.
>Philip Silvera, who acted as stunt and fight coordinator on the Netflix version of Daredevil that ran in the mid-2010s, has returned to the fold to act as stunt coordinator and second unit director for the new series.
>Jon Bernthal is back as the vigilante known as The Punisher.
>Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Henson are rumored to have been hired to reprise their roles of Karen Page and Foggy Nelson, key members of the Daredevil’s original cast.
>The show will not be 18 episodes as first announced or that of a typical broadcast network season but will be more in line with the original Netflix series model of lower episode counts.
>Is expected to be under Marvel's new "Spotlight" banner with a mature rating after the studio found Echo to be a success
>A new pilot episode has been written, footage for the series that was already shot prior to the restart will be reused and recontextualized for the new direction of the show
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/daredevil-born-again-resumes-filming-echo-1235793539/
Man, those all seem like really excellent decisions. I mean, obviously there's TONS of opportunity to blow it, and blowing it is absolutely within their wheelhouse, but spending the extra money to make a better product instead of just pushing out the smooth, softserve turd of what the original idea was going to be means that they have some amount of desire to do a good job. Jon Bernthal killed it every time he was on screen, Karen and Foggy were notably pretty good, and the more grounded, less fantastical tone of the netflix series was way more my bag than a bunch of big-budget explosion nonsense would be. Hawkeye was pretty good, so having some more grounded content like that instead of Blue Laser Punching is a good sign.
It's going to be a convoluted mess
Spider-Man will end up with an older woman after ned starts dating MJ
Someone call Brie on the phone. There's a business opportunity here now that The Marvels bombed.
>super heroing bad
>super bounty hunting good
At least try to make the plot make sense.
>Bad for heroes because now law enforcement will be on their ass
>Doesn't really affect villains since they're already criminals
>Kingpin hires villains, who act outside the confines of the law or morals, to make sure the heroes stay dead on top of being wanted
Everything for your friends, law for your enemies. Nothing new for corrupt politicians.
On the subject of Nuke.
Nuke actually predates USAgent by a few months in the comics. Few years if we're counting Walker actually donning the mantle of USAgent.
Nuke is a Vietnam-era attempt at Captain America who's supposed to reflect that war the same way Steve Rogers reflected WWII, so he's obviously a much darker character.
And now I'm gonna be THAT guy and say that when it comes to villains all women writers know how to make is "muh abusive butthole boyfriend" so he's pretty much reduced to being that on Jessica Jones.
>Spider-Verse shills dicksucking their slop
They can't help themselves, can they?
Cucks don't usually have standards and are easily pleased.
Why Kate is a solo hero all of a sudden? Don't have any money left to pay Jeremy Renner?
Renner ran himself over with a tractor IRL.
Apparently he's back to work filming that tv show he was working on, but I doubt he'll be back to doing action stuff again for a while.
He went back to film a documentary that was ironically about plowing houses, I was surprised that was an actual dedicated side job for him and it wasn't just for occasional personal maintenance.
I don't like the mixed team shit, especially when it's totally random. You got two actual super heros, one c-list metahuman, and three unpowered randos. One of those superheros, while he doesn't flex is much because this is fiction and he's as strong as the plot demands him to be, is in the "Top 5 Strongest People In Marvel". Another could arguably grow until he's even stronger than that.
I mean seriously what the frick does fricking Echo bring to the table if Spider-Man couldn't handle this by himself?
As another anon pointed out, they're all NYC street level heroes and have some connection to Kingpin or Daredevil.
>street-level heroes including Ant-Man, Echo, Kate Bishop
wwhy not just use defenders and puisher who fans actualy wants to see
Nobody wants to see Netflix Luke Cage and Iron Fist.
I do.