>After Mayor Kingpin outlaws vigilantes in New York City and places a bounty on their heads, Spider-Man must fight numerous supervillains targeting him for the reward, including the Scorpion. Spider-Man then joins forces with Daredevil to take down the Kingpin for good.
>The movie will feature appearances from numerous street-level MCU heroes including Ant-Man, Echo, Kate Bishop and Jessica Jones, and follow Spider-Man’s journey to become a leader, which will be pivotal to his role in AVENGERS: SECRET WARS.
https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/spider-man-4-rumored-to-be-the-mcus-street-level-version-of-captain-america-civil-war-a208386
Nooooo just keep it daredevil frickkkkkking idiots
jessica jones? are they that desperate?
based if they keep her getting wet for Spider-man.
>Street Level
>Ant-Man
>Guy who just saved the QR from Kang
In a way, it's true. Scott is a street level guy at heart but he can also escalate and be effective when it's time play in the big leagues.
Doesn't Scott operate out of California though? They could swap him out for Luke Cage or Iron Fist.
they could, but those are shit characters
they're fricking terrible
Cage is a white guy's idea of how to fix Shaft to be less black, Iron Fist is a pastiche of a tv show that was briefly popular literally 50 years ago about a white guy playing an asian guy who has the magical power of choking himself to death in a hotel closet while jerking off with a tangerine up his ass
neither of them are parallels you want to draw attention to, there's a reason Luke Cage wasn't in either Black Panther movie when so many other characters were and it's because they're not ready to go down that 1970s route and just make fricking Blackula movies
>filtered by the heroes for hire
>Blackula movies
Anon, your Blade?
Because everyone knows a superhero's origin and creation wholly defines their popularity and quality. Thanks for the Wikipedia info.
name one good iron fist story that isn't just a retread of Shang Chi at this point
name one good Luke Cage story
name a Luke Cage villain, just one, someone who is definitively a threat and definitively part of his rogues gallery
shit characters, fifty years of development and they've got no background beyond boomer pop culture
NTA but even in the meh at best show, I found Bushmaster kinda cool, he was also a threat. Caribbean gangsta who do capoeira and hoodoo vodoo is kinda cool.
Kinda like Spiderman has always been
Yeah, and Scott in the comics kinda is what a grown up Peter would be like, a street level hero that has adventures with her sidekick daughter. Only downside is the divorce.
>Only downside is the divorce.
still better than the alternative
Mitch Carson still has those Pym Particles from the 1st Ant-Man. Maybe we'll finally get O'Grady's Ant-Man as closure to that?
Mitch WAS responsible for O'Grady's origin in the comics.
Spiderman and Disney+Marvel, that's not street level that's kiddy pool level.
>Adapting the worst storyline in Zdarsky's Daredevil
Frick man.
Hey, what if we made a Spider-man movie with...just Spider-man? I mean I like the idea of Kingpin as a villain and keeping shit grounded, but fricking Ant Man?
lol Spider-Man since the very beginning has always fought against and worked together with other heroes like the Fantastic Four, Daredevil, and the Hulk.
this is a lie. it wasn't constant cross-overs. stop gaslighting. every once in a while, he might see someone else but it was not like how it is in the MCU where he goes from big event to big event to big event
>this is a lie
it isn't
>2 examples in 16 issues
Yeah so constant
I really wish we’d see more of this. Spider-Man wasn’t really trusted by any of the other heroes at first, he had to earn it
MCU just has Iron Man vouch for him, then he’s beloved up until the dumb ending of Far From Home and now it’s the other extreme where everyone hates him
While I'd like to see the MCU actually try a solo Spider-Man movie, I'm reading through the Lee/Ditko Amazing Spider-Man right now (currently on #34) and it really does feele like every other issue he's running into or butting heads with another hero, especially Johnny Storm. Hell the first appearance of the Sinister Six was filled with plugs for other hero books.
>it wasn't constant cross-overs
Anon?
I read it. It was not one crossover story, then another crossover with the entire focus being on the crossover. They did have arcs that focused on Peter by himself. Maybe he might run into one person for a moment. But it was not "Multiverse Crossover", then "Street Level Civil War"
>Posts side books that most readers ignored
>he doesn't know about Marvel Team-up
lmao fake fan indeed.
So, not "Amazing Spider-Man", his mainline comic series? Cool.
Lmao
and one more because I like the cover
Ant-Man is multiversal+. He should be the main villain of an Avengers 2-parter who threatens the multiverse with his quantum powers unlocked on a multiversal level. I don't see how anyone of the current avengers could take him down without searching the multiverse for an alternate ant-man to counter him.
For real, an evil Ant-Man would be a pain. There's no real counter to shrinking someone to subatomic size, only ones I can see beating that are Strange and Wanda
They kinda already did that in What If, with Hank Pym slaughtering the Avengers.
>Actual Yellowjacket suit
criminal we never saw something like this in live action
Yup, and Pym didn't even need to summon an giant army of ants.
Why can’t he just be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man?
Spider-Man and Daredevil teaming up to take down a crime lord would be the most "Friendly Neighborhood" thing this iteration of Spider-Man has ever done.
So not only are they just never gonna let MCU Spider-Man stand on his own they're gonna steal a Daredevil event to adapt instead of one of his?
They really have no idea what to do with Spider-man, have they? Also, they must be quite desperate to put Ant-man anywhere after Quantumania bombed.
It's current MCU, the upcoming Captain Falcon movie is basically a Hulk movie without Hulk.
>Also, they must be quite desperate to put Ant-man anywhere after Quantumania bombed.
Ant-Man wasn't even bad in that movie, he was just stuck in a meh story that didn't give him any agency
That could work if they need someone for a team of evil supers, it would also be one of the longest unresolved plot threads in the MCU.
>it would also be one of the longest unresolved plot threads in the MCU.
Besides the Marvel TV stuff pre-Wandavision has there been one that's older than that Mitchell Carson one?
There's Tim Blake Nelson getting set up as the Leader back in The Incredible Hulk, but he's finally making a comeback in the Captain Falcon film
Pretty sure the terms with Disney require MCU characters to be present in some fashion. Holland's Spider-Man was never planned to stand on his own like Toby or Garfield
Which makes sense in a way, Tom Holland made his debut just two years after Amazing Spider-Man 2 came out, I think that still holds the record for the fastest movie reboot ever.
To make the MCU Spider-Man distinct and unique from the previous Spidey films that were still pretty fresh in audiences' minds, they had and continue to take advantage of the premise that this was the first Spider-Man to exist within a wider superhero setting.
>Spider-Man’s journey to become a leader
What age should peter be by now? Real talk now, the last great "saga" movie I watched was avengers age of ultron or civil war or Iron-man 5 with spider-man, idk I really dropped out when in order to watch a movie you should watch 3 other streaming shows, read some other mediums, rewatch a movie from 2009, follow "celebrities" on social media and so on. It got tiresome, can capeshit movies go back to being around 90-120min again and that's it?
Should have just had Spider-Man, Daredevil, Deadpool, and symbiote shenanigans.
>All of these nobodies
>Not a mostly Spider-Man and Daredevil team up with Black Cat popping up as Peter's new love interest.
>No mention of Luke and Danny being heroes for hire
>No mention of Punisher in a movie involving "Taking Kingpin down for good" to serve as counter to Spider-Man's ideals.
Lame.
>"noo the TASM2 movie tanked Spider-Man's appeal and reputation with audiences we have to add Iron Man, Fury, and Doctor Strange to his movies to make him more interesting and recover his image!"
>movies keep making more and more bank to the point NWH is the second highest grossing MCU movie
>think maybe finally they'll let Peter have his own movies now that he's proven himself as the biggest Marvel draw again
>"nooo the post Endgame movies tanked MCU's appeal and reputation with audiences we have to add all these irrelevant characters to Spider-Man's movies to make them more interesting and recover their image!"
It never ends
Spider-Man fricking carries, yes.
Part of the deal with Sony/Disney is that all the MCU Spider-Man movies have to be team ups. If Disney gets use Peter in their movies, Sony gets to use Disney’s characters.
Somehow I don't think Sony is eager to get their hands on legends like Echo or Kate Bishop
Shared universes are gay.
Having other MCU characters in major roles in these Spider-Man movies is something both Sony and Marvel/Disney want.
Sony wants it because it means that movie Spider-Man is finally associated with the Avengers et al. in the public consciousness.
Similarly, Marvel/Disney wants it because it means that Holland's Spider-Man is forever associated with the MCU, and can't easily be taken out of it.
Ironically, the most successful MCU Spider-Man film is No Way Home which has almost no MCU characters in it and is basically a giant Sony-verse film
You're forgetting that Dr Strange plays a pretty major supporting role in it, in addition to all the other extended cameos
Strange spends 80% of the movie away and he's got one real scene with the action sequence, arguably the movie would have had better pacing without him.
Yes which is why I said ALMOST no MCU characters.
Spider-Man is carrying the MCU at this point with the string of flops Disney has been putting out. Of course Disney wants to piggy back off Sony
What's carrying the MCU are the epic fanservice crossover movies, the highest grossing MCU films post-Phase 3 were No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness, the latter probably because people expected more insane cameos and them having a bigger role than we actually got. The only MCU film coming out next year is Deadpool 3, which is also a fanservice fest with a shitload of cameos, I expect that to make a billion dollars and another wave of "is the MCU good again/saved???" speculation as what happened with No Way Home.
good. I want to see a spider-man team up without world-ending stakes.
you mean echo the show that was so bad they cut it down to 5 episodes and are dumping it all at once?
It's getting good reviews.
Whose corn flakes did these 2 piss in not to get invited to the street level event? I mean Jessica Jones was not that special and Marvels was a complete failure and they will still keep Carol around so why do these 2 get forgotten about.
Did you not see the shit show when virtue signalling normalgays found out about Danny? His character has yet to recover from it
Feige wants to reboot them.
Danny's show was a disaster.
Don't know why they're not getting that Luke Cage though.
Reception to Luke Cage was lukewarm at best, while Iron Fist was by all accounts a failure. Jessica Jones at least had her first season that did well with fans and critics, and Ritter was still pretty well received even after the show went to shit. Daredevil was the only one of the Netflix heroes to come out generally unscathed and with people clamoring for more.
>went to shit
But it was shit since day one.
Danny got fricked over by the Perlmutter vs. Feige feud.
>Perlmutter believed the fad wouldn't last and they should strike while the iron was hot. Pushed for Marvel Television to have a bunch of stuff to license. Didn't want a Black Widow movie because girls don't buy action figures. Thought no one would notice the War Machine recast because black people all look alike.
>Battle between the two of them. Loeb was caught in the middle as being in charge of the Marvel Television department (seperate from Marvel Studios).
>Early MCU was a compromise, hence why Scarlet Witch could show a bit of clevage in Age of Ultron but later on she couldn't. Feige is now pushing for all the diversity stuff because he won out.
Anyway:
>Studios pushing for the end of Netflix deal with remaining contractual obligations withstanding.
>Iron Fist was being changed to be a streaming movie but they also wanted it to lead into their defenders.
>Rushed production meant the lead had no time to train.
>Choreography was done on the fly leading to massively lacklustre action scenes.
>Iron Fist should be Asian social media campaign was generally small but it was connected to things like The Ancient One in Doctor Strange being white (half to appease China because of the Tibetan thing and half to not be stereotypical old Chinese master).
>Feige took that to heart hence why we got Shang Chi.
>Iron Fist was awful, season 2 was a slight improvement. Defenders was also a disaster.
>Iron Fist should be Asian social media campaign was generally small
Was big enough for them to take it away from Danny in the comics
That was just part of their moronic cope.
>Didn't want a Black Widow movie because girls don't buy action figures. Thought no one would notice the War Machine recast because black people all look alike.
nice to know Perlmutter is the old school kind of israelite
I don't care what anyone says, Iron Fist S1 was awesome. The Meachums fricking carried that show
Holland's Spider-Man clearly can't stand on his own
This. They keep forcing him to be mentored or paired up and it feels like Marvel believes Spider-Man himself isn’t good enough to carry a film (which is insanely ludicrous)
But why, why fill these movies with more people nobody cares for when they want to see a spiderman film?
They're copying Gunn because he was the last person left at Marvel who knew what he was doing
Because they're using Spider-Man to uplift their B-list heroes in the same way they used Iron Man to elevate B-listers like Thor, Hulk, and Dr. Strange.
see
All I wanted was a comfy Peter movie, they'll waste all Peter movies with nonsense like this then they'll force Miles down our throats.
So they can use the budget of a three hour movie to launder even more money at a time.
>Want a street level personal stakes movie because other movies have not been street level barring the first one
>Get rid of personal stakes by filling up garbage characters
WHY?
Just like in the comics.
>other heroes failing in sales?
>quick, put them in ASM!
The things I have to put up with for a Spider-Man/Daredevil team-up
For frick's sake. No one wants to see these jabronis. Just make pic related and you'll draw 2+ billion. Why is Marvel so moronic?
I don't think that Holland-Man needs or deserves another solo adventure on the big screen (especially after that cashgrab of a non-event NWH that weaponized nostalgia, brainwashed the mainstream crowd).
Keep that worthless c**t for Avengers 5-6 & then kill him off for good 'meaning no dusting' (because MCU will get fully rebooted anyway, so why waste a 4th film & a gargantuan budget on the lil' British frick). He is a pathetic actor, a terrible Spider-Man, has 0 personality & 0 understanding of what makes the character work on paper/film.
Problem is, however, if he's kill, then Sony will fast track the live action Miles Morales trilogy outside of MCU (the only big demand would be from the peeps of color & the minorities - not classic Spider-Fans) & we won't see Peter Parker on the big screen for the next decade or so (maybe in animation & video games that will still find a way to sideline him).
The Morales live action films is going to be a victory for all the POC's of the world (written by POC, directed by POC, produced by POC, POC lives matter inc.) because white fellas (old school fans, real aficionados of Spidey) had enough 'white savior-wall-crawler-man' live action adventures from 2002 till 2021 & it's time to put us all to rest, move our crusty cracker butts from the cinema seats & allow the NAH, IMMA DO MY OWN THANG non-character to shine & YELL WHAT'S UP DANGER in your pale cold face.
Pic very much related & is accurate to the future of the POC-Spider-Mane chi-nematic (shout out to Chi-town!) Universe.
trash
This movie also will end with the Symbiote. And he will have the Symbiote for the Avengers films.
>Ant-Man btfo Kang
>Street level
Ok
Ant-Man is in a weird spot because his whole thing is changing power level on the fly, being small is good enough to handle street level threats, while being giant is outright overkill for that but decent to fight bigger threats and the fact that his powerset is based around comic book super-science allows the character keep up and fight even higher threats. It's not that he's the strongest because power levels but more than the character has many options for different situations and the thing that powers him, Pym Particles, are effective on just about anything.
To be fair people only say "Kang lost to Ant-Man" because he was defeated in an Ant-Man movie but if you actually watched Quantumania, he lost to Hank and Hope. Hank's ants carried Kang off and it was Hope who shot him into the collider thing. Scott got the shit beaten out of him in his one on one fight against Kang.
Being fair to Scott, he was the one that gave Kang more trouble than Hope and Cassie when they all fought with powers, he also charged the core with Pym Particles and had the idea kill himself and take Kang with him, at least he got one last hit. Hank and his ants for real carried big time but what can you expect from the scientist supreme? The movie was less "Ant-Man solos the new Thanos" and more "The AntFam together are MCU's Fantastic Five"
It's the typical "male hero does all the heavy lifting, female heroes come in and finish the big bad so they could look badass" bullshit
It's Hank's fault that he didn't give Scott laser blasters
Curious how Hank built that tech for Janet's suit but he never put that on his own, I guess the man liked to handicap himself. While the canon the explanation for the newest ones is literally "Frick you Scott, that's why" gotta love old man Pym.
>Daredevil
For once a good idea. I like Spider-Man/Daredevil stories, though the obvious downside is that it's Holland Spider-Man.
>Ant-Man
Meh
>Jessica Jones
Terrible character and everything she's ever been in was shit. Frick Bendis.
>Kate Bishop
I don't care much for MCU Kate. She's nowhere near as irritating as Fraction Hawkeye, I guess.
>Echo
Echo's show just looks like it's gonna be a soulless ripoff of Banshee. Which I guess would put it above the rest of MCU slop if done well enough but I'm not counting on it.
It's going to he interesting seeing Tom Holland's Spidey interact with D'onofrio's Kingpin, they have the complete opposite personalities to each other,
I'm pretty sure Tom will be playing a very different Spidey going forward after all thats happened to him.
>mayor kingpin
The frick is with MCU taking so much from modern comic storylines
What other direction can Kingpin go in at this point? We've already seen him as both the Kingpin of the underworld and a prison convict scheming and slowly rising to the top, him becoming mayor of NY would at least allow him to have a bigger presence and interact with other heroes in the MCU.
Different anon, but I always wanted Fisk to go global, at least beyond just New York.
There was an opportunity with Ronin going on a worldwide mobster-killing spree for Kingpin to fill the void.
Feige unironically just doesn't read classic comics. The signs were always there from the start, but it's become increasingly apparent with every bad decision and crappy modern character/story adaptation Marvel Studios have made in the last few years.
Feige has never read a comic in his life before MCU, and what he has read is just modern storylines.
It's ironic, really. The shit writing of modern marvel has poisoned the well for the one thing making it money.
If it was just Spider-Man and Daredevil, I'd be fine with it. But frick, it's like MCU Spider-Man needs constant other characters from other movies in his series. Let him carry his own. Homecoming was Iron Man, FFH was Nick Fury, and NWH was Doctor Strange. Let the dude have a movie to himself.
That's literally part of the contract though - Sony requires that Disney pony up some of their characters to be allowed to make Spider-Man movies.
I'm really tired of MCU Spider-Man not being allowed to carry his own film.
why does every new spider-man property try to force an ensemble cast
Because they all want to distance themselves away from Raimi and Ditko/Lee/Romita.
They're seriously going from world/universe-ending threats to street-level shit? The multiverse was a mistake. Having small stakes involved in it makes the story boring and is better left for standalone stories. Andor will also show you that, sure it was good but people didn't want to see a show set about small stakes with no named characters.
Honestly i would have just made the film about Spidey vs Kingpin and a hired assassin (insert taskmaster here) and have peter go after him after he threatens his identity because he has nothing left to lose
Would prefer only Daredevil, all these other jobbers will only muddle the plot.
And why would Ant-Man be involved in this?
For in-universe reasons who knows? Ant-Man operates in San Francisco and is not a vigilante anymore, that's his actual job that pays the bills, he's head of security of PymTech. For story reasons it could be anything, Scott has never talked to Peter but they have some things in common, like being everymen compared to other Avengers.
they met and fought each other in Civil War
they better aknowledge this
"met" is kind of a strong word in that scenario
>street-level MCU heroes including Ant-Man
Just frick my shit up senpai
Why did you fricking idiots think we were getting to get """REAL""" Spider-Man just because NWH retconned everything? That should've been the biggest indicator they were gonna go full moron with whatever they do next
I hate this mentality since once the movies got bigger and bigger, they feel like they can't go back so they'll just cram even more random heroes into it to make it feel more epic.
>Ant-man
And it lost me, should've been a story about Spider-Man and Daredevil being hunted by Scorpion after Jameson creates him.
so they're just retooling what would have been daredevil s4? fricks sake. hope they at least keep Matt and his friends alive
Spider-Man, Daredevil, and Black Cat take down Kingpin
That’s it
That’s all you need
Easy $1 billion stuff right there
I just want a Spider-Man film that doesn’t feel like I’m watching a cosmic busting event
I kinda like this idea minus Scott Lang's inclusion because he doesn't live in New York.