>there would be no toilets on the plane so the crew would relieve themselves at the bomb bay door
>but as you may have noticed this ball turret was directly behind that
ballbros, what did they mean by this?
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masters of the air
it's wild that boomers were conned into exterminating each other by the millions so their kids could import a bunch of brown people
Masters of Goym
The whole trailer was so absurd and obvious propaganda
>boomers
It literally happens right now. Americans are brainwashed into killing Arabs because of reasons and the Russians are brainwashed into killing Ukrainians because of reasons.
Oh yes all the vets from all the previous thousand year of warfare would have foresight that what's their fighting for directly culminates to demonic trannies reading stories to kids or Black folk robbing a Walmart
WWII was fought by boomers' parents and grandparents. Boomers were conned by ~~*economists*~~ into importing infinite minorities for muh cheap labor.
"Boomer" is just an umbrella term for old farts.
yet another reason why being in the ball turret fricking sucks
I've read that it was only occupied half the time, you had to be a manlet to fit inside and a lot of the time people would refuse. Even being the tail gunner position was preferred.
If you watch old gun camera footage you can see the ball turrets hardly ever moving or firing.
My uncle was a fat, bald, old man when I knew him. It was hard to imagine him, short as he was fitting in that thing.
B17 tail gunner was a pretty comfy post, you had actual armour around and a little bicycle bench
Statistically, the tail gunner was most likely to be injured or killed and they all knew it.
during landing sometimes they wouldn't retract back in or they forgot to retract them in/tell the gunner to get out of it I forgot which but sometimes the gunner would still be in the ball and it wouldn't be a pretty sight
That's B24 liberators, the B17 ball turret didn't retract. That didnt mean it couldnt jam or get stuck pointing in a way that the hatch to get out couldn't be used, so if it took damage and the rest of the crew had to bail out the ball turret gunner just had to sit there and watch the ground get closer and closer.
Of course if the landing gear failed anyone in the ball turret would get smeared on the ground like you described. The pilots knew it would happen too, if the gunner wasn't out of there. Pretty rough to have to defintiely kill 1 friend to (hopefully) save the rest.
>The big bomber shuddered, felt suddenly very heavy and began losing altitude. Rojohn grasped almost immediately that he had collided with another plane. A B-17 below him, piloted by Lt. William G. McNab, had slammed the top of its fuselage into the bottom of Rojohn's. The top turret gun of McNab's plane was now locked in the belly of Rojohn's plane and the ball turret in the belly of Rojohn's had smashed through the top of McNab's. The two bombers were almost perfectly aligned - the tail of the lower plane was slightly to the left of Rojohn's tailpiece. They were stuck together, as a crewman later recalled, "like mating dragon flies."
>The ball turret, hanging below the belly of the B-17, was considered by many to be a death trap - the worst station on the bomber. In this case, both ball turrets figured in a swift and terrible drama of life and death. Staff Sgt. Edward L. Woodall, Jr., in the ball turret of the lower bomber, had felt the impact of the collision above him and saw shards of metal drop past him. Worse, he realized both electrical and hydraulic power was gone.
>Remembering escape drills, he grabbed the handcrank, released the clutch and cranked the turret and its guns until they were straight down, then turned and climbed out the back of the turret up into the fuselage. Once inside the plane's belly Woodall saw a chilling sight, the ball turret of the other bomber protruding through the top of the fuselage. In that turret, hopelessly trapped, was Staff Sgt. Joseph Russo. Several crewmembers on Rojohn's plane tried frantically to crank Russo's turret around so he could escape. But, jammed into the fuselage of the lower plane, the turret would not budge.
>Aware of his plight, but possibly unaware that his voice was going out over the intercom of his plane, Sgt. Russo began reciting his Hail Marys.
Ballbros…
makes me wonder why they wouldnt have the ball just be a sphere that protrudes the hull and the gunner can operate it from the fuselage from some anchored position that turns with it, like a tank's cupola in reverse. youd lose some minor firing angle which is already covered by the front+tail gunner anyways. considering how awkward it was in the turret i doubt if the ball gunners scored that many actual gunnery kills.
>no parachute
>soaked in piss
>bombardier gets an xbox controller controlled turret
>meanwhile ball turret gunner has to eat piss and shit and die
JUST
Back in the '60s, I used to go to 4th of July family gatherings when I was a kid. The first thing my mom always told me was you can't shoot off any firecrackers because your uncles are here. That was when I found out one of my uncles had been a B-17 pilot and the other one had been the ball-turret gunner.
you're 70?
Yeah, so?
some people have been on this site for close to 20 years lil bro..
>so traumatized by loud noises you can't allow your nephews to play with fireworks
pretty cringe tbh
If someone put a 20mm cannon shell through your windshield, I think it would stay with you for awhile.
It reminds them of the time they used to drop bombs on houses and killed children.
Even for them we can remember the good times
Yeah, that happened, and the krauts completely destroyed Rotterdam for no good reason. What's your point?
A besieged city being bombed due to a frickup in communications does not excuse a years long campaign of terror bombing, the stated goal of which is to destroy as much civilian housing and kill as many civilians as possible to damage the morale of front-line soldiers.
The difference is the Dutch are arguably human beings. The sand people are not.
>the Dutch are arguably human beings
I see, your mistake is believing "war crimes" are real, but they're not, because who is supposed to hold the winning side accountable for their actions? This means the only "war crime" that exists is losing. Propaganda just manipulates people into believing their crimes are justified because uuhhh they saw it a movie once or something.
A crime can exist even if the criminal is not punished.
It's not a crime if it's not against the law, and it's only against the law if you lose, because the winning sides control the justice system.
Yes they did an assessment after the war and found out that bombing accuracy was not as good as they thought it was. But they're intended goal was not civilian targets.
>load your bombers with incendiaries
>order your bomber crews to aim at city centers
>watch as medieval cities are consumed by firestorms and tens of thousands are killed
>repeat
Am I expected to believe these people were morons? Of course not, they knew exactly what they were doing, any claims to the contrary is just optics. Look up the dehousing paper authored by Lindemann.
Coventry, Birmingham, Manchester, London, Liverpool etc, etc, etc. The world was at war. At the time, it was thought that bombing could induce a population to rise up and overthrow its government. That didn't happen obviously.
>muh medieval cities
and can never be replaced. It is a terrible loss. I hate to think what the world would be like if Hitler had won. Well, I'm old and grouchy so I'm going to bed. You kids enjoy your arguments.
>Hitler never bombed/fire bombed historical monuments
Yes, the suffering the British people endured and the damage to their country was terrible. What do you expect of me? "Heckin based! Total br*tbong death, do it again Reichsmarschall Göring!" The bombing of civilians was started by the British government and continually escalated until its climax with Dresden, a pointless slaughter of innocents that dwarf anything the Germans did. The fact that a single RAF raid killed more Germans that the entire Blitz killed Brits is telling of who was worse in this. But if you expect me to take perverse pleasure in the death and destruction of Brits and British cultural heritage, which is not uncommon when it is the other way around, you're mistaken.
>But they're intended goal was not civilian targets.
Even a moron couldn't believe this, this is pure NPC freestyling
My point is civilian-killers A are (rightfully) called monsters and civilian-killers B are called heroes and have glorifying movies and tv series made for to this day.
Civilian-killers A killed good civilians civilian-killers B killed bad civilians
That just means the propaganda is working.
You've obviously never met a Dutchman
fireworks are for shitskins
Firecrackers, lady fingers and M80s are fun if you're careful.
In the same way wienerroaches are superior to me. They can survive in shit, chemical waste and nuclear radiation, but I still prefer to be a person(White) over being a wienerroach(shitskin) tho.
Except that unlike wienerroaches or yourself, shitskins are capable of creating beautiful music, writing books, and getting laid
Are you?
I’m a shitskin I bang white women all the time and also write rap lyrics
You're a liar and a homosexual.
And every day you secretly wish you were white
I forgot to mention at the end of my post but I am transgender (mtf) btw
Didn't even check.
SPLAT
Sounds like moronic boomer bullshit. They weren't flying for 10 hours, they could either hold it in or piss/shit in a bucket and throw that away.
>grampa was a b17 top turret gunner and mechanic
>burned his uniform after the war
>took me to the aerospace museum on long island where there was some old war planes to tell me stories
>years later someone stole his war medals, flight notebook and crew picture from his house during his final year
>think it was a visiting nurse
i have never wanted something back in the family so badly as that picture and medal case. frick whoever did that.
>burned his uniform after the war
Did he tell you why?
my dad said he came back with bad ptsd, had to get electroshock therapy and spent time away from home for a while to deal with it. by the time i was born you'd have thought he was just some nice old man or i was too young to see it. he was deeply disturbed about dropping bombs on people, especially civilians getting killed and it stayed with him long after the war, he'd wake up screaming in the night. he told my dad he witnessed one of his crewmates pull a gun on another midflight and order them to do their job or he'd be shot and that messed with him. he had originally gone to sign up for the army but when questioned if he had any skills he mentioned being a mechanic so they filtered him to the air corps and that is how he ended up as a gunner/flight engineer. he flew on the b17 bad egg.
PS, I'm glad he made it back. There's an old movie that deals with returning service men called The Best Years of Our Lives. Just thought I'd throw it out.
thanks for the suggestion anon, i'm glad he came back too.
I have a family member that collects war medals and most of them aren't even worth anything unless it's for some famous unit, so whoever stole them probably didn't even benefit from them.
>what did they mean by this?
Eat shit and die.
So what's the consensus on this series so far? I haven't seen it so I'll just have to trust your judgment.
surprisingly good. Though I'm into military history so can't speak for most here
Lancasters came with toilet pans, but they were only for the most dire of emergencies, because it was bare metal and absolutely will freeze to your arse. Also, if there was anything in it, it sloshed out all over the place if the plane had to go evasive.
Crews avoided this problem by simply taking Stress Pisses back at base while waiting for takeoff.
>pick up some newspapers from the AB
>tape it around the rim
>call it "shitter mk2"
this is what i would have done with my flightbois