I will acknowledge that the latest installment is very good... so far.
I will admit to being wrong.
But I'm sure as frick not apologizing.
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I will acknowledge that the latest installment is very good... so far.
I will admit to being wrong.
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>I was wrong but I'm not apologizing!
Why would you apologize. The previous series was absolute shit, they tried to fix it a bit (still have to take he man out because they don't know what to do with him) and improved, but there's nothing to apologize for what the frick kind of mentality is that.
>(still have to take he man out because they don't know what to do with him)
He-Man is so powerful his strength solves basically all problems. Taking him out for at least a bit is necessary to establish the bad guys getting the upper hand.
That's the mindset that ruined Superman
"Here's a reason why Superman isn't at full power" is a time-honored Superman plot point from the invention of Kryptonite onward.
So He-Man needs Kryptonite also?
Just make the badguys outscheme the goodguys and use magic and punch stronk?
Reminds me of that episode from 2002 where Teela said Adam was worthless so he ran off without his sword to prove that "Adam" has a lot to offer aside from the raw strength of He-Man, only to get captured and totally defeated, proving that Adam is actually worthless without his strength.
It's a hell of a thing watching this show handle "Adam without his powers" better.
The 2002 show is a dull chore anyway, so that's not a tough bar to clear.
Why does everything devolve into tribal bullshit with you people. You can't just say 'I like x because y' you have to shit on something else.
There's nothing tribal about it. The 2002 show just sucks and shouldn't be the standard for anything.
Counterargument: it had some good designs and concepts, even if the scripts were shite.
And its Teela was better than the versions in either Netflix MOTU show, even if she could be a total b***h at times.
No one said they should be what the frick are you talking about. No one even said anything good about 200x
You have shit taste. The 2002 show was the best He-Man. It’s treated more serious without being up its own ass about it and the music and animation are great.
The only thing keeping 2002 from being the worst He-Man is New Adventures.
>It's more serious without being up its own ass
It was too campy/kiddy to be a good "serious" cartoon, and too serious to be a good camp/kiddy cartoon. It tried to be both and failed in two directions at once.
Wrong, but you are welcome to that dogshit opinion
It's always funny when a show tries to teach morals and somehow makes them stupidly broken.
The lesson in that 2002 episode is "don't throw away your tools for saving the day because your ego got a bit hurt". It's more complex than "everyone is great just the way they are"
>It's complex!
It's schwarbage.
The message is shit because you shouldn’t have to rely on tools all the time to get shit done. Realistically, Adam can’t be totally reliant on He-Man to save the day all the time, and he shouldn’t be.
LMAO, look at this human thinking tools shouldn't be relied on
I'd like to see you start a fire without a single tool
No, that wasn't the moral. This was a show that literally had someone explaining "the moral" at the end of every episode. This episode's moral was "people aren't always what they seem and may have hidden strengths."
Which is an odd moral because in the actual episode when Adam didn't have his sword he wasn't just useless he was a liability that people had to save.
They wanted to do a "there's more than Adam than being He-Man" ep, then somehow forgot that's what they were doing while making the episode, and instead made it an ep that pretty much said "yeah Adam, without your sword you're pretty awful."
Wrong, the hidden strenght of Adam is He-man so that's why the moral fits. It's a fabulous *secret* power after all.
OG ep: Adam wants his dad's love, tried to prove himself as Adam, fricks up, turns into He-Man to save his dad, during the rescue hears his dad say "You know He-Man, I love my son," learns he doesn't need great feats to have his dad's love. Episode moral: Maybe your parents have a hard time saying "I love you" but they do!
2002 Ep: Adam wants Teela's respect, tries to prove himself as Adam, fricks up, gets captured, other people have to pull his ass out of the fire.
Moral: "There might be more to people than it seems!"
Central conflict not really resolved, and the moral is something you could say in any ep.
The original works much much better.
>2002 Ep: Adam wants Teela's respect, tries to prove himself as Adam, fricks up, gets captured, other people have to pull his ass out of the fire.
>Moral: "There might be more to people than it seems!
you are not a smart person, either that or you wilfully completely misunderstood
In the original he wants his father to feel good about him and finds out yeah his father does love him.
In the 2002 version he wants Teela's respect.
Aaaaaaaand yeah, no, she doesn't feel any respect for him, nor should she since they had to go save him. In fact, when they showed up to save him and Man-At-Arms brought the sword, he ignored the "you really should use the sword" lesson he'd just learned and tried again to show Teela he wasn't useless, only to get his ass handed to him a second time. The "he wants Teela to respect him" conflict that started the episode off ends in flames.
Both writing rooms approached a similar idea, and the latter did a much much much worse job.
Yeah, this sounds to me that you just hate Adam in 2002 He-man
I'd like to like him, but the writing is quite bad. It's from a particular era where writers did things like have a young hero go "look at what I can do!" on front of a girl, then proceed to have him get his ass kicked. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing if the writers knew to go somewhere with it, or could make it funny. That's not the case here.
that's just BS
it's the first episode after the intro
He wants to prove himself valuable not only to Teela but to all the masters and his father
this comes directly after the previous episode where they note he ran away
He is brash and realises that he is better off helping as He-Man and to swallow his pride
I don't think your dislike of the show comes from the writing at all, I think you are being dishonest
It comes across as a single anon shitting on 200x in the last 2 or 3 threads out of an autistic 20 year old hateboner or worse a shill trying to make Kevin Smith's show seem better
>it's the first episode after the intro
It doesn't get much better, anon. Wish it did, since I stuck with it in the hopes it would.
>Only one anon in Cinemaphile MOTU threads thinks 200x was poor
I'd be worried if that was the case, but thankfully I'm not the only one.
sure anon
You're entitled to your opinions and I can understand why you'd hate the show but that guy is being a pissbaby about it and won't let it go.
arnold swartzenegger might be strong af but that doesnt mean he can just take on the mafia and win. not without a two hour movie full of killing and hype. I dont see why strength means he is invincible or can just waltz in and stop the bad guys who may have an army and a lot of influence
It's always an idiotic criticism. It completely ignores the idea that every conflict isn't always physical. Super strength is often used as a tool to achieve a larger goal.
I like the fact that strider from LOTR was an incredible ranger and could fight his ass off, but if you give him a big enough ogre, or a swarm of orcs, he would be in trouble. I dont see why he-man has to be 'debuffed' just so he doesnt walk into snake mountain like george jefferson and flick skeletor and his guys like fleas putting them into comas. being the strongest or having strength doesnt always make being a hero a walk in the park. hercules and others could attest to that.
and to add on, youre right
that political and criminal organizations dont just disappear because one guy can lift boulders and has a bad ass sword.
>I dont see why he-man has to be 'debuffed' just so he doesnt walk into snake mountain like george jefferson and flick skeletor and his guys like fleas putting them into comas.
Because this is a (if you squint and aren't too picky about canon) sequel to Filmation He-Man which repeatedly established that baseline-strength He-Man honestly probably could have strolled into Snake Mountain and stomped it off the map without trouble, but he didn't because... well he just didn't, okay?
The CGI reboot leaned more toward the idea that He-Man was powerful but not powerful enough to solo-fight all the bad guys and win, whereas this version seems to have gone with "when he's in He-Man form he can win any fight, so the bad guys have to resort to disguises, hostages, depowering him, and general chicanery."
Didn't He-Man always beat Skeletor in all 100+ episodes of th 80's series??? The plot armor was built so thick for He-Man he needed to lose once and Skeletor had to win once
I just think the mentality of killing He-Man is how Star Wars froze Han Solo in Empire Strikes Back. Kevin Smith liked Empire Strikes Back because it "ended on a down note" That's what Episode 1 of Revolution was, it was a great exciting episode that had a down note. Kevin Smith is a genius that's just widely misunderstood.
>Kevin Smith is a genius because he copied one of the most popular and beloved movies of all time
I cant tell whose trollin whose shillin and whose moronic anymore
Revelation was badly executed, but there was nothing wrong with the notion of Skeletor having a (to-the-viewer) temporary win, that lasted for years in-universe, as a way of driving home that things would go straight to hell in a handbasket without He-Man.
If they hadn't screwed the pooch with how Teela (the viewpoint character) was written, it could have worked well to establish a show where the good guys were starting off at a disadvantage.
I liked how she was written, she was in shock and in griefas He-Man died Her father was banished from so,that made her angry. and also found out his He-Mans real identity was Adam. How was she suppose to react? Cry like a little girl and just grieve?? Be sympathetic for a King who banished her father. Women really do spaz out when they experience crazy shit happening. Teela could not be nice like many casual fans wanted.
Defend this to me.
Well she didn't say that line at the bottom, for one thing.
Badly implemented, but it makes sense that her grief at losing him would be mixed with anger at being lied to for years and years.
I don't believe there was a comfortable way to portray her grief and anger at the same time. They also wanted the characters to portray complicated emotions which was not possible in the 80's children's cartoon. The producers and Kevin Smith outright stated they want this to be fan service for the now 45 year olds who watched this show as kids. 45 Year old viewers were expected to handle the dramatic dark and complicated emotions these characters are forced to experience. A lot of us true 80's kids enjoyed the drama in addition to the Kevin Smith brand of humor.
I don't entirely disagree, but the dialogue was badly written to the point where I don't blame the people that were deeply unhappy with the episodes where He-Man was "dead."
>No true 80s Kid.
It's the non-sense drama women use towards men when they're angry. As I said before, she's not supposed to be nice and happy in this phase. My wife would most likely act even worse than Teela under the similar circumstances, even if they are fictional situations.
>my wife would act even worse than Teela
I'm so glad He-man's giant muscles turned me gay I wouldn't be able to deal with women logic
A realistic depiction of an emotional woman. You're not supposed to follow their logic.
I can't understand the logic of my mother, my wife, and many women I have worked with. i could deal with this emotional Teela because I already knew she was acting this way as part of the story line I
What disturbs me the most is not the show, but by how many low IQ people don't realize this show is still functioning as a toy commercial Teela's was not going to remain in half b***h phase, they're not going to erase He-Man as a well known brand mascot after 40 years and close to a Billion Dollars in toy sales.
Maybe it is just that Keven Smith and co. made Revolution too mature and iit did target the 40+ crowd too much.
>just accept bad characters
god you people are insufferable
All the Masters of the Universe characters were bad characters. They also all had a status quo that needed to be shaken up. It's another comic book gimic, also used in WWE Wresting.
Now characters like Teela are not as bad because she experienced grief, betrayal, anger, lost love, and now re-u ite with her chosen true love.
People that think like you are exactly why there is endless trash now, you get exactly what you deserve
All the MOTU Characters except for the onese in the She-Ra line were created through corporate toy creators before the cartoon. If you consider yourself a He-Man fan, the creation of his toy is his true creation origin and you should know this.every MOTU character was poorly created from a story point of view, they had no story.
Irrelevant
totally relevant. .
Characters have clear mannerisms
expand on them, play into the focus of their toys
Only immature writers hate the source material, that's why you get shit like current marvel or rings of power
>they had no story.
>Literally had a comic to show the story of the toyline before the cartoon even came out.
That's not exactly true though the toys had stories. Mark Taylor had a story for all of the first He-Man characters he made, including environmental storytelling that explained the background of the world in the Castle Greyskull set. Unfortunately part of it was removed because Matrel waa cheap but still. Then all of the toys had minicomics (which is where snake green teela was from)
https://battleramblog.com/mark-rebecca-taylor-on-the-origins-of-he-man-2/
Oh and some of his characters and stories date back to the 50's or something
Mark Taylor sounds like he was a fascinating guy. The Netflix "Toys that made us" documentary came off as multiple people created He-Man, but now I'm convinced Taylor is the originaly creator of the core characters. The thing I question though is how good was his original storyline and was it fully fleshed out? he was an illustrator and package designer, not a trained and experienced writer at that time. Mattel originally rejected his storylines for each character because they wanted to rush them to production. ..and yes they did have mini-comics, but those comics contradict the Filmation cartoon which came out a short time layer. I can still maintain my position all these characters ended up with poor storylines , especially because of corporate interference of the creative process.
I think someone posted it in the comments of that article
You have to keep in mind two factors. First, Netflix decided to split the season in half, so for months the only thing people could see were the first eps, which were rough, had less He-Man, had dead He-Man, and had Teela in broody b***h mode. Second there were the youtube twats out to farm for clicks by whipping people into a frothing rage over how their childhood was being stolen by SJWs.
Had it been shown in one go without the click-farmers it would've been viewed as pretty flawed, but there wouldn't be anyone writing essays about how this all relates to World Economics, or whatever.
He-Man fans took it personally because they were promised a sequel to the show they grew up with. It's the first installment in the franchise in two decades after getting told the She-Ra reboot wasn't for them. And instead they got a show where Teela was the focus and He-Man played more of a supporting role rather than being the main lead, and there was no news about a second series with a different focus. People understandably got upset about that, added on top of all the other traditional boy franchises having their male leads getting upstaged or having to share the spotlight with female characters. It's a reasonably reaction. The only downside is that Cinemaphile is filled with actual spergs that can't articulate for shit and you get an endless array of low quality posts about the subject matter they're so sore about.
>after getting told the She-Ra reboot wasn't for them.
Show staff literally said that, anon. It's not a very smart move to tell your old fans that kept the brand alive to frick off.
>Show staff literally said that, anon.
Did they though?
I don't save twitter screenshots. Maybe some other anon will indulge your skepticism.
>Skepticism
There were non-staff on twitter saying variations of "it's not for you," and shitty "news" sites were posting "The Controversy Explained" articles quoting those randos because that's how shitty "journalists" throw together an article out of nothing. Cue people that skimmed those articles mistaking randos for staff, then going around spreading the word about how the crew totally said "it's not for you."
Didn't Noelle made twitter posts about how She-Ra isn't for old fricks but for young queer girls?
No.
I might be remembering wrong, but I'm fairly sure it was actually Dobson that said the infamous "not for you" line that people ran away with, not actual crew.
>Show staff literally said that,
>Didn't Noelle made twitter posts about how She-Ra isn't for old fricks but for young queer girls?
You people make up the dumbest shit and convince one another it's true.
New York City Comicon in 2018, the Nu-shera voice cast did indeed shit on the OG show. Hell, in the "2nd season" they spent a whole episode mocking it.
Oh god they seriously did the Thundercats Roar and Teen Titans Go thing? Why is that a thing that keeps happening?
>Oh god they seriously did the Thundercats Roar and Teen Titans Go thing?
No.
Why do you people see un-cited "this totally happened you guys" and go "My GOD, it totally happened!"
Your teachers should have been much harsher on you.
Yeah that happened. Any criticism was called sexist and every website denounced anyone who criticized the show by the usual ad hominem attacks.
"Marketing" at work.
That's it? That's what you're going with? Outrage-mongers kept going after the designs on twitter, a VA asked about the tweets said "mocking women's bodies isn't cool, but it's easy to ignore" and you think that's pretty-much the same as Thundercats Roar having OG Lion-o appear in the show to say that the show is a worthy successor of the original and the people who think otherwise "have poop mouths with poop opinions"? That seems pretty equivalent to you?
Don't criticize my teachers or insult me when your teachers never taught you what a question and question mark was. I was asking if it really happened. You dumb fricking smug c**t.
Also your post isn't cited either dickweed
>New York City Comicon in 2018, the Nu-shera voice cast did indeed shit on the OG show.
I'm pretty skeptical that happened, partly because I know of the 2018 NY City Comicon interview that's online where we got things like Stevenson saying "Trying to find a version of the show that honors the original and captures the feeling of the original, like the feeling that you get when you're that kid watching Saturday Morning Cartoons and playing with the action figures, and like taking that so that kids today can have that experience. It's going to be different in a lot of places of course, but like really just capturing that same environment, that same atmosphere and fun of the original." Followed by two of the main VAs talking about how intimidated they were stepping into iconic shoes and saying they hoped old fans liked their stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCamoGLTq6Y
But let's say there's some other place where a VA did say "yeah I'm not a fan of the original show." Voice Cast = Writers, and yes there's a big difference. If your writers are going out knocking the original show, that's a problem. Shit the VAs say isn't on the writers. But again, I'm not finding anything from googling around so I'm skeptical even that little faux pas happened, just clips of the VAs being nice and saying things like "I hope the hardcore fans of the old show can enjoy what we bring to the table."
>Hell, in the "2nd season" they spent a whole episode mocking it.
Fricking lol. How thin-skinned do you have to be to watch "the most Morally Upright member of the crew has a BRIEF fantasy sequence where he acts like an 80s Heroic Paragon and everyone's in their Original Series costumes" and walk away going "they spent a whole episode mocking the original series!"?
>Shits on classic IP
>People don't watch the show
>"You're thin skinned"
>People continue to not watch the show
Many such cases
>Shits on classic IP
Still waiting for you to provide an example of them shitting on the original.
>Revelation is too mature
Hahah holy frick I've seen everything.
Netflix MOTU was more unironically more mature in themes and moral lessons (wow one of the things the original show was about). Revelations was purely underage edgy, like a teenager getting exited to go see the dog shit horror movie take on a public domain children's character.
Please, don't. I don't think I could handle someone trying to pit these two enjoyable but shockingly immature shows against one another. It's like a dick-measuring contest between eunuchs.
you know Eunuchs have no balls right?
Not their dicks
I do miss the best Skeletor since the OG and having OG Skele as King Greyskull.
RIP we'll never have Bathordack and his Batdaughter
>Revelations was purely underage edgy
Surely you didn't expect anything else from Kevin - my only claim to fame is a 30 year old movie - Smith.
Eunuchs come in 3 variants. Everything snipped, balls snipped and sterile via crushed balls.
>Netflix MOTU was unironically more mature in themes and moral lessons
It wanted to be, but it dropped the ball. We got shit like Randor rejecting his son for all of five seconds, the idea that some citizens were living in sub-poverty that never really got followed up on, and the whole Krass plot.
Still enjoyable but you're overselling it.
I am glad there are still people on here that gave sane opinions and aren't talking hyperbolic
>gave
have*
i wish we could have an ultra violent Conan like He-Man series. Just go hard on the sword chopping and blood!
Go watch Tigtone
Link??
No, he's a very different type of fantasy hero.
Tigtone's the one you want.
SPEAK ENGLISH ! Que is Tigtone?? Donde' esta el Linko?? Tu Comprende??? Pinche Pendejo! En Ingles por favor!!
He's making a Zelda joke because you said Link lmao. You know what fricking sucks though? TotK had a chance to go full He-man because the Zonai were originally barbarians in BotW but it got changed to sexy goat aliens.
Is Primal any good if I want to scratch my Barbarian unga bunga itch?
It is good, but not barbarian
however if you like non vocal story telling, you'll love it
Kinda mad that this never got the greenlight
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnfdy
Tigtone is Barbarian-adjacent.
I was saying Primal is not barbarian
Tigtone has the gore that he wanted but the quirkiness of He-man
Unfortunately I don’t think you can find it anywhere legally
This show, like any western animated property, thinks women are better than men. Men must be emasculated or be evil in some way. It comes from the minds of simps, homos, and femdomgays. Hence why every woman must look like and act like a man. The only men who like properties like this hate themselves.
Her mom the Sorceress also died and she became the new Sorceress. He-Man also came back. If you saw a man-hating message, that could mean you are deranged and insecure over a cartoon that markets toys to kids and adult collectors.
This is a perfect example of the self-hating man who watches these kinds of childish homosexual shows. Don't be like him anons, free yourself. .
Anyone upset over a main super hero type character dying in the first episode of a ten episode series is a low IQ idiot. You are one of those low IQ idiots. You hate Kevin Smith because you were very easily fooled believing he would never come back. You fell for a classic Death and Resurrection Gimmick used in numerous amounts of fiction.
You are hyper-focused on just one aspect of the show that I didn't even fricking complain about. Take your autistic rants elsewhere and stop worshipping your daddy Kevin Smith.
my point is you are a low IQ idiot who exaggerates aspects of the show, if its not hos death then it's Teelas Haircut, or her muscles, or her black friend or because you hate Kevin Smith .
>Keep screaming about low IQ idiots with your own low IQ idiot take.
I know you want to sound smarter than you are, but come on.
People wanted a He-man story with He-Man in it after 15+ years and got a not-good Teela-focused story instead. Revelations was a comical misstep.
Teela's a central figure, and her origin was something the MOTU writers were beating around the bush with since... I want to say like episode 3 or something. Very early on at least. Given that they were pretty confident they'd have something like 20 or so eps to tell a story in, they figured they'd spend a decent chunk of the early ones dealing with all the baggage carried by Teela, Adam's obvious one true love, while also showing that a world without He-Man went to hell in a handbasket, re-establishing how essential he is.
It was handled poorly, but it wasn't a crazypants idea like you're implying.
the crazy pants idea caused chaos, and chaos is fun. The 80's kids like me loved it, and really loved seeing and reading about how people were so upset. You have to understand 80's kids were the generation that also lived thru the death Transformer Optimis Prime. The 2nd Robin was killed, Batgirl was Paralyzed. Early Anime like Robotech where favorites like Roy Foker and Ben Dixon die. We saw loss in movies like Empire Strikes Back, Childish cartoons like He-Man we once loved we simply grew out of.
The He-Man fan base is a lot bigger than it was in 40 years, there's also sub groups of the fambase where half like Revelation series and the rest either want a show exactly like the 80's show or the 2k era show. then you have the casual toy collectors and hard core toy collectors.
You know on the balance of probabilities if his "genius" nuked enthusiasm for the second season of his show this hard, maybe he actually is moronic.
Just saying.
Kevin has laid off smoking pot, so he doesn't say everything on his mind this time around. The show also got a respectable score on IMDB and is in the top 10 on Netflix.
That was an episode from the 80s as well, where Adam gets fricked in the ass by Beastman because he wants his dad to respect him.
Similar but different. The 80s episode was about Adam and his dad, with Adam wishing there was a way to earn his father's love, volunteering for what should have been a cakewalk guard duty assignment only to get bushwacked and have his father kidnapped. It was basically presented as some bad luck on his side, although obviously it could've been avoided if he'd been in He-Man form. He immediately used the sword ran off and saved his dad, with the story showing that the two just needed to be better at expressing their feelings (with the "here's the episode's moral" segment specifically talking about how it can be hard for dads to show their love but that doesn't mean it's not there). It wasn't the best of the old eps, but the 2000s version was weaker. That version showed us that Adam's feelings were hurt from being teased by Teela, so he volunteers to be a guard, and charges into danger without turning into He-Man. One of the the big differences is that in this story he gets captured and the others have to save him (and he's even more reluctant to just turn into He-Man, still wanting to prove himself and failing). And it wasn't about getting his father's love, so there's no "you don't need to do great deeds for your father to love you" story element. It ends with the moral that people aren't what they seem, which doesn't really work.
So basically copy the Dragon Ball Z formula. Always knew anime was superior to this troon shit.
Wonder Woman's movie approach - the MC is invincible, but those MC wants to protect are not.
Add also villains having successful side plans like Light from Young Justice, and there is no issue with having powerful MC while building up tension
The issue was He-Man always won in the 80's series. They made over 150 Episodes, and each and every single one of those episodes He-Man beats Skelator. . He-Man needed to lose once, and the most dramatic way to do that is kill He-Man, ut don't keep He-Man dead because he is the face of the franchise.
It's not just that He-Man won. Skeletor and his crew were clearly underdogs. The world was basically at peace.
You want to do a Big Stakes He-Man For A New Generation, the bad guys needed a big win, and some room to grow that wasn't possible with He-Man breathing down their necks.
150 Episodes of He-Man winning, the Toys made almost a Billion dollars also, but then it got too repetitive, the cartoon didn't grow with the kids and so eventually the kids moved away from He-Man and the toys stopped selling and the show ended.
Skeletor either gets smart pills or a power boost.
There were tons of ways to not repeat the 80s without removing or even nerfing the titular character.
2002 had the Ram Stone as one of the power ups that made him on par with He-Man
Yes they could have kept He-Man alive but that doesn't emotionally grow the show up. The writers are looking for drama and emotional connection. They're looking for big fireworks for a big statement , and the biggest statement was to kill He-Man and I feel like it worked
>I feel like it worked.
The reaction, drop-off, and Revolution being damage control said otherwise.
Okay, at this point I'm convinced half of this thread is just Kevin Smith himself defending his moronation and shilling the new show.
>Still have to take He-Man out
This is a bonkers argument. He got tricked into going to the wrong place, and thought he was doing the right thing by handing his sword over for his friends to use in an experiment, only to get depowered BRIEFLY, which gave Adam a chance to show off that even without his powers he's still brave, skilled, and cunning enough to be a threat. Then he gets powered up again and we get the satisfaction of him kicking ass left and right.
Superman is a different kettle of fish, because when he's in his Clark Kent disguise he doesn't lose his powers. Depowered Adam has human-level strength. There's nothing inherently wrong with stories where someone swipes his sword, blocks him from the power, demands he complete a quest "as Adam," etc.
shill thread
I don't care if Kevin himself is making these threads, I'm just glad we're getting sexy designs for Teela again and can talk about MOTU.
shill thread
Yeah I'm not even gonna bother with it, the praise is always super generic and there's no way it's even half decent after the shitshow of last season.
That first season is so bad it's even worth a second chance.
>The praise is super generic
The writing was extremely fun, a solid story expanding on the He-Man mythology, making excellent use of both A-list and lesser-known characters from the Filmation cartoon (and surprising use of stuff that came outside of the cartoon). Hordak's Horde made for a good new threat, but it was done in a way that let Skeletor still have his moments of shining. They expanded on the old lore of Keldor in a novel way that felt like it worked well with what came before while still adding to the story. Most of the better-known characters were written in a way that rang true for their established characters. The ending promises that the next part will dive into shit that fans want to see.
The animation was excellent, the voice-acting absolutely top-notch (with some frustratingly good choices), the pacing felt right.
Music was nothing to write home about but wasn't bad either, and there was maybe a lack of quotable lines or especially kickass "you have to see this bit" scenes, but overall this was a damn good update.
What came from outside of the cartoon?
Gwildor is in there and Mother Board is a nod to the movie version of Evil-Lyn. Same VA and similar design elements.
Oh shit that's awesome. I thought people hated the movie and it was a massive flop?
More or less, but just because the movie was mostly bad doesn't mean we can't enjoy a few elements retrieved from the ashes. Evil-Lyn's design was cool, and the show found a good use for Gwildor by making him and Orko bicker back and forth as representatives of Team Magic and Team Technology, calling one another short.
I like how Cinemaphile tried to tell me that Orko and Gwildor are gay for one another, and then I watch it and Orko is just going "this mo-ther-fricking dwarf" from scene 1 right to the end.
Dark Orko alternate origin story.
>Uses the phrase "Orko percent chance" to mean "small chance"
>"Orko percent chance to create a multiversal mess" or something like that.
A line most people miss, but that explains why He-man final armor has elements from different versions of the character.
Come on now anon, did you miss that ending?
What, the bit where Orko goes "better check on Gwildor" as an excuse for leaving Adam and Teela alone to kiss?
To see anything in that you'd need yaoi goggles that /y/ would consider excessive.
That wasn't Orko being Gay for Gwildor, that was Orko using every opportunity to throw the dwarf under the bus.
Fricking techno-fetishist tried to use the sword of power HIMSELF ("I've always wanted to do this") when it was time to hand it to Adam.
I watched an interview with the producer and Orko’s voice actor. They said everyone always talks about that great adventure they went on to Earth that one time together except for Orko. He’s been sick of hearing about it and now he has to work with the guy who got to go instead of him. It’s pretty clever and amusing. They had some great takes on things this time around. Ted has been involved in the fandom for a long time, I remembered him from early Power Cons and during Classics. One of things he’s oddly remembered for is at one SDCC he snapped a pic of the scalper guy who bought about 50 copies of that super limited artbook.
>They said everyone always talks about that great adventure they went on to Earth that one time together except for Orko. He’s been sick of hearing about it and now he has to work with the guy who got to go instead of him.
OK, that's hilarious.
I wonder if Marlena went in this unseen version of the movie.
>everyone always talks about that great adventure they went on to Earth that one time together except for Orko. He’s been sick of hearing about it and now he has to work with the guy who got to go instead of him.
This I like.
People are mixed on the movie. Skeletor is generally considered a great take on the character, though
It does have a secondary rep as being very influenced by Jack Kirby's new gods stuff.
Ok fine the shills won Im going to watch the movie and revolution just for skeletor but Im not paying money for any of this. I just heard he was the best part of the movie and the focus of renovations so frick it
>I thought people hated the movie and it was a massive flop?
It was a massive flop but people have had different opinions in later years. Langella's Skeletor in particular holds up well to adult viewing.
Have you watched it?
it's about 20 minutes a MotU movie that turns into a teen drama isekai
>bare feet
>spats
Is Teela Scrooge McDuck?
>spats
are you blind anon?
THAT'S where your mind went?
It's amazing someone this pure still exists.
>The ending promises that the next part will dive into shit that fans want to see
Ah so it’s a dangling carrot kind of show… frick that
Ah, so it's a b***h about things he doesn't understand anon.... frick you.
Frick carrots do you know you shouldnt even give rabbits carrots what kind of fricking bullshit is that
>Don't end the first half of a show on a note that leaves people wanting to see the rest of the show. That's "dangling a carrot."
That is what "dangling a carrot" is, yes.
>Music was nothing to write home about but wasn't bad either
Gotta say, I thought Bear McCreary brought his actual A-game to Revolution. I wasn't very impressed with his Revelation score and his He-Man theme still doesn't touch the Filmation original (why don't they just pony up that Netflix money for it, anyway?), but this score feels much more developed.
Oh shit the Battlestar Galactica guy did this series? I never thought to follow what else he did despite lovinb BSG.
I'm done
I'm glad he man's doing better but coming back would just feel like rewarding bad behavior.
cant have that.
glad I can draw porn of Teela again with a clear head. That was really bumming me out.
This series is a complete course correction from the previous series. He-Man is front and center of the conflict with Teela and Skeletor playing important roles while not outshining him. If anything, you'd be rewarding good behavior.
>I will deny myself watching something good, to teach a lesson or something
Your call but I'd still advocate watching.
Cus Kevin hurt my feelings saying I’m not a true fan for not agreeing with his vision?
Cuz every time Kevin farts,mike zeroe and clownfish and the quartering HAVE to make another 1000+ videos and my algorithm needs to make Damn sure I see everyone of them?
This was a fun little show I watched as a baby and I gotta listen to that ass clog moan about ‘I hate watched every episode there was never any violence or stabbing muh mum muh”
And all I can do is sit there and be like”you directed movies..arguably decent movies, how in the gurgling frick did it come to this?’
If it's popping up on your algorithm it's your fault dipshit. I started watching He-man shit and only get cool toy customizers and regular He-man shit and episodes and toy reviews etc
You can turn Youtube algorithms off, newb. Or purge it to start fresh.
stop being a fragile b***h
Why they keep shilling this dead series?
Your new and modern audiences were not good enough?
Maybe I'll download a torrent later
You seem to be having an odd one-sided conversation.
>12 unique ips
>24 responses
>getting this defensive with any mid-criticism to the series or its creator on EVERY post
yeah... hope you find a new job soon
Democracy always wins
Are people really upset that the show seems to be leading up to "He-Man decides monarchies are a bad idea and goes in the direction of democracy instead"?
He-Man's mom is literally an American Astronaut from Earth. Frankly it makes sense that he'd decide to do Democracy. And maybe have some hot dogs and apple pie after playing baseball.
It's cliched. Rational has nothing to do with it. The one thing the final season of Game of Thrones got right was having everyone laugh at the idea of a peasantry democracy and carried on business as usual with a new elected king.
The big plot thread this season is "Skeletor is royalty, if things had happened differently he would've been King for realsies, no backsies."
And that's a plot thread building on OLD stuff.
"You know what, hereditary leaders are a bad idea" makes perfect sense as a next step in the story. And if "replace the monarchy with a democracy" is a cliche, so is "don't replace the monarchy with a democracy."
You know there are other forms of government beyond just those two, right? Politics isn't a binary. Going from monarchy to democracy just makes it stand out as American writing.
>It seems very American
He-Man's mom is literally a NASA astronaut.
You said that already. It does not change any of my points.
>You said that already.
I actually did not. More than one of us are aware of how American the show is and always was.
Yee-haw.
I was so fricking happy when I saw that sonofabitch. I'd forgotten about him.
I wish we got more MotU cowboys and pirates and crazy shit
It was a mixed bag. For every awesome cyber-cowboy we got two Leprechaun-dryads.
Even the Holy Bible is against gaining royalty based on who is first born or their bloodline. The right to be King or a leader has to be earned, not given thru inheritance.
>"You know what, hereditary leaders are a bad idea" makes perfect sense as a next step in the story. And if "replace the monarchy with a democracy" is a cliche, so is "don't replace the monarchy with a democracy."
One thing that heightens my hate for "He-Man abolishes monarchy on Eternia" is that, with only 5 episodes, Eternia barely felt bigger than Randor's capital. There's the city, Castle Grayskull, Snake Mountain, a cave with one dragon, and Gwildor's house.
Going by previous canon, there are a bunch of other monarchies allied with the House of Randor like Avion and the Bee People/Andreenids. Is the newly-elected government going to fight them? Buzz-Off certainly seems to disapprove of He-Man's political decisions.
What I dislike is that Adam is put in a situation where he has to choose to either be king or He-Man but can't be both at once because plot.
But Teela can be the powerful sorceress and is also able to leave Castle Grayskull unlike her predecessors. No sacrifices whatsoever.
Double standart much? Just let Adam be a barbarian warrior king, Hasbro. Sheesh.
Whoops I meant Mattel lol. I get the two confused sometimes
The writers didn't know what a "Constitutional Monarchy" is. Also King Greyskull being black now means he was a terrible ruler.
No idea why they made him black. Blue, gold, or white all would've made more sense personally.
Wait, why gold skin?
Just seems like something fitting, like he's magic or supernatural of whatever and he literally glows gold.
Kind of like how a person might have metaphorical of apocryphal traits given to them after death in order to enhance certain traits they had in life.
But the metaphor would be literal here as his wealth and kinglyness would be literally reflected in his being.
Unironically Blackwashing. The point of King Grayskull was that he was Adam's ancestor along with the Sorceress of the time. The people who wrote Revelations didn't give a shit.
>Blue, gold, or white
I get the sentiment cause he's magic but the whole point of Adam turning into a big beefy muscleman is cause He-man is a reflection of King Grayskull. Of anything, changing the skin color of King Grayskull means Adam should turn black when he becomes He-man.
>Unironically Blackwashing
>2024
>Complaining that a Goddamn footnote of a character was turned black in an effort to make the extended cast less white than mayo
>Advocating white genocide again
What happened to you Batman? What happuned?
>I need ALL the cast to be white!
That or all Japanese.
it's already happening irl
It is OK for non-white people to invade White nations.
>What I dislike is that Adam is put in a situation where he has to choose to either be king or He-Man but can't be both at once because plot
And because you can't be in two places at once? You can't be off having fun adventures AND be the guy that runs things while The Heroes go off on fun adventures.
>What I dislike is that Adam is put in a situation where he has to choose to either be king or He-Man but can't be both at once because plot.
What's funny is king randor had his hear attack in a helipad, after returning from
shooting those evil spirits and fricking around in an iron man armor. So he did rule over eternia and went on adventures, but somehow he man can't. I don't even care about the monarchy or democracy thing, it's just interesting.
>What's funny is king randor had his hear attack in a helipad, after returning from
>shooting those evil spirits and fricking around in an iron man armor. So he did rule over eternia and went on adventures, but somehow he man can't. I don't even care about the monarchy or democracy thing, it's just interesting.
And wouldn't he have gone on military adventures during the Horde invasion? JFC.
I'd say the whole Keldor plot really exposed the weakness of the monarchy though. The bastard son of the King ends up becoming a twisted Ultimate Evil because he got exiled as a 10-year-old for not being the TRUE heir. I'd say they should've moved slower with the plot idea, but I have no problem with He-Man looking at the whole mess and going "maybe birthright-mandated-rule is a bad idea, actually."
And since Skeletor being royalty is an oldschool plot I call shenanigans on anyone saying it's wrong to consider the implications in this.
>So he did rule over eternia and went on adventures
He didn't, watch the death bed scene again, he just went cause he wanted to spend more time with his son, cause he knew he was going to die soon.
I lost faith in democracy so I don't want it in my power fantasy escapist neet shut in world.
I just lost faith in the Democratic Party, ever since 9-11-2001 my thoughts of that party started changing and eventually I registered as a Republican in 2004. Masters of the Universe fan for Trump!!!!
Party politics like comic publisher and console wars are dumb, go for individual candidates, individual writers and individual games.
I for one am voting Orko
Monarchy's suck, even if they are just ambassador and sovereign types for tradition and national identity like in UK or Japan.
I will never forget the depths of Kevin Smith's homosexualry and how he insulted my man Sir Laserlot.
>Black fan named Tim Bland: "I prefer making new unique black characters than raceswapping originally white ones. Instead of wearing your own shirt, you're getting a hand me down from someone else"
>Tim. I hear you. And that will indeed be a party of our story too. But a big hurdle when you’re introducing a new character to a line of so many well established characters is that they are bound to be outsiders, and harder to accept as cannon, at least for a while. Nobody gives a shit about Sir Lazer Lot. We asked ourselves early on about the need for two giant white blond dudes in the pantheon of MOTU. And honestly, it makes both characters less special in their iconography. I wish I could take credit for being the one with the idea to make Grayskull black. Because now, in the history of all the champions of Grayskull a black man has a role of prominence. As opposed to just being the guy with the clamp who’s king Randors body guard.
>Same thing with Andra. She was initially created as a new character… it was my idea to dig into the lore and raise up a character who had a small appearance but a strong following. People have been wanting to see Teela and Andra fight side by side for a while. As opposed to creating a new character that could easily be rejected. Honestly, do we really need two badass redheads? MOTU had no women of color, and we saw an opportunity and took it. Why not give little black girls a hero that looks like them.
You're trying too hard to ragebait. Twitter hot-takes are a dime a dozen.
I recognize that layout, it's actually Facebook.
>Trying to get people to rage at an extremely sensible response
>it was my idea to dig into the lore and raise up a character who had a small appearance but a strong following [...] As opposed to creating a new character that could easily be rejected
Very telling.
All the ruining of old characters is rooted in a fear of rejection.
>In my opinion Republicans are on He-Mans side, Democrats are on the Evil side of Skeletor..
So who are the Snakemen and Hoard
Snakemsn and the Hoard are Democrats, basically anyone who is not a true Chrstian or true israelite is a Republican/Good Guy.
where's the mega?
And no matter how hard you shill it OP, I'm still not watching it because money is the only language that Netflix and Kevin Smith understand. And it takes more than "not completely awful" to buy my forgiveness for S1.
Hope it flops.
>Hope it flops
It's not.
>It takes more than "not completely awful"
It's more than "not completely awful," it's damn good.
>Me not watching it when it's good will teach 'em a lesson
No, it won't.
>it's damn good.
that's a stretch
Fine, it's damn good for a He-Man cartoon.
for 5 episodes it was decent
If it was 10 and we had some actual characterisation it could've been good
Enjoy that Netflix money while you can, Kevin. They cancel shows left and right, nobody is safe. Except Matt Groening somehow.
You're not watching it yet you come to every thread about it to whine about not watching it and crying about how Bluntman hurt your fee feed and how you'll never forgive him. Once is understandable but every thread, it's pretty fricking pathetic.
I have more respect for the deranged angry schizo trolls that shit on it, you just come out as a homosexual b***h.
>Ooooh boo I'll never forgive Kevin Shit, he hurt my feefees.. Boohoo! 🙁
IDGAF that you didn't watch it because I didn't either and I'm just fricking around with other anons. But shit, you come off as a whiny homosexual b***h who is assblasted because Bluntman pumped and dumped you a backalley.
Act like a fricking man, Christ, these posts are fricking pathetic. Fatherless behavior, and since it's He-Man shit I bet you're 40 and balding.
>I bet you're 40 and balding.
Speaking as a 40-year-old balding dude... hey, don't lump us in with him.
>King goes on one mission
>Dies
I mean...
>King goes on one mission
>Dies
>I mean...
lol. I would assume by the time adam is 70 he would have found someone to pass the sword to, or gave it back so tit chooses another champion. I did like that people kept referring to he man as champion, that was cool.
Yeah, the democracy thing makes sense in a way. Like adam doesn't want to be king, and that's fair. Abdication has happened irl too. It is weird that the queen is still there and alive and they have a man at arms and man of war, so the queen can still reign anyway. Now that i think about it, eternia being a place where there can only be a male ruler is kind misogynistic too.
>lol. I would assume by the time adam is 70 he would have found someone to pass the sword to, or gave it back so tit chooses another champion.
He and Teela are supposed to have a son named Dare.
(Though that's kind of a convoluted story. Pic related is an action figure from the 2010s direct-to-consumer line based on a 1996 pitch to DiC by Lou Scheimer, President of Filmation when they made the He-Man cartoon, for a sequel... in his version Dare was adopted and he told fans that he'd turn out to be the lost son of Adora and Sea Hawk.)
Protagonists of MotU sequels always come across ass too plain and boring looking to me.
>New Adventures of He-Man
>He-Ro
>Dare
They don't even really look like barbarians
He-Man is based on Star Wars and Conan. It's swords and laser guns
Yeah? You didn't think I knew that? My favou
>He-Man is based on Star Wars and Conan.
Having a billion-dollar toy brand (triple that adjusted for inflation) inspired by Conan was lightning in a bottle. As of 1978, every toy company not named Kenner was looking for its own Star Wars. While Conan had high-selling Marvel comics, "barbarians in loincloths" wouldn't have been anyone's first idea for the popular idea to combine with laser guns and sci-fi vehicles until the 1982 movie was in development.
I always loved sword and sorcery settings mixed with technology possibly fallen highly advanced civilizations because of He-man and JRPGs and probably more things I can't remember. I wonder where all that even started because it's cool as frick. Even Star Wars itself is a variation of fantasy and wizards and shit
Star Wars had a more fixed history and general worldbuilding. He-Man is just "frick it, sometimes the baddies have lasers, sometimes swords, sometimes The Orb Of Thingamabob."
That’s some weird conclusion you have reached there anon
I should clarify: I'm talking about the original Star Wars movies that the He-Man cartoon badly wanted to ride the coattails of.
But the Empire vs. Rebellion stuff in the shadow of the old Republic and Jedi knights was pretty well laid out in the first movie. He-Man is just all over the place, everything-and-the-kitchen-sink style.
I think you’ve just got some favouritism here
Both are just as wacky as each other
The only difference is one is a cartoon and is more colourful
>frick it, sometimes the baddies have lasers, sometimes swords
Its kind if random but the original ideas had a lot of worldbuilding about how after society collapsed and fell into tribalism and savagery some tribes rediscovered technology, and some tribes went back to sorcery like Skeletor's tribe. Wizards didnt have a need for technology. So that's why it seemed kind of random. And people would ransack Castle Greyskull to get ancient tech and magic but it would corrupt them and frick them up. So In guess that's why everything is such a weird combination of things too.
That art is awesome but I guy the artist didn't get the memo about what side everyone's on. Why good guys helping the bad guys storm Greyskull?
>Yeah, the democracy thing makes sense in a way. Like adam doesn't want to be king, and that's fair. Abdication has happened irl too. It is weird that the queen is still there and alive and they have a man at arms and man of war, so the queen can still reign anyway. Now that i think about it, eternia being a place where there can only be a male ruler is kind misogynistic too.
Was it ever explained why Marlena become queen other than plot? It could have been her moment. Why couldn't she share the burden of ruling with her son, she could have even started a council of to help rule the kingdom.
If it is a custom only men have ruled Eternos, what chance does Andra even have to become president? Will the next season be about that? Hope not.
My other gripe is that adding democracy stuff to a show with such sword and sorcery fantasy roots feels just off to me. I blame it on modern American writers not wanting to write positive kingdoms anymore. They already pulled that shit on Legend on Korra's Earth Kingdom and it was just as annoying. Hate this trend.
>Was it ever explained why Marlena couldn't become ruling queen other than plot?
Whoops sorry. My bad again
>not.
>My other gripe is that adding democracy stuff to a show with such sword and sorcery fantasy roots feels just off to me.
It toys were always about a highly technological society that collapsed and fell back to tribes but idk if that makes it better. Its possible it was a democracy.
>It toys were always about a highly technological society that collapsed and fell back to tribes but idk if that makes it better. Its possible it was a democracy.
You know, that would actually work a lot better if they alluded to that. Like if they found very old records stating that in the past it was the people who would elect their rulers and the characters finding it really alien, but intriguing. Then in the end they wonder if they could lead towards a system such as that.
At least it could be more elegant and I can imagine the filmation cartoon handling something like that with more finesse despite being the kiddy one.
I could understand if it becomes the focus because HM is more about combat and magic first and foremost rather than politics regardless of system. But the democracy approach makes sense within the framework they explained, the delima Adam faced, and him probably looking up to his mother's stories when he was young.
>If it is a custom only men have ruled Eternos, what chance does Andra even have to become president? Will the next season be about that? Hope not.
"Basic black girl becomes President" would be so fricking boring. If they're doing this, Snout Spout needs to win.
>"Basic black girl becomes President" would be so fricking boring.
Agree, but it's such a current year plot it wouldn't surprise me if it did. Can't wait to see the notTrump adversary they'll come up with for that.
>If they're doing this, Snout Spout needs to win.
He's got my vote
Oh god it's going to be 'King Kiss for president' isn't it.
Star Wars is also about swords and sorcery with technology. Star Wars also contains Monarchy's and Democracy's.
I wouldn't call Star Wars sword and sorcery, at least I fon't think it entirely fits that aesthetic.
I think He-Man got closer to the stories with the main character being a loincloth barbarian, and having lots of other kingdoms, bearded old wizards, oracles, dragons, demons, etc. It's that comfy 80's sword and sorcery Conan and Fire and Ice aesthetic with sci fi elements added to it that made me like MOTU.
Anyway it's just my opinion. At least it was nice to hear they brought back Granamyr and I am planning to give this a watch when I have the time.
>"I didn't watch He-Man and I'm just fricking around, actually, but... !"
Buy a fricking ad Kevin.
2002 He-Man was objectively the best He-Man series.
Wake up Bizarro.
explain why you think it's bad
I'm always happy to hear shows improving. Hope it continues to get better and better for the fans.
What fricking fans? The oldgays who cared about He-Man stopped caring about this show. This new season was barely talked about ffs I myself didn't even know it was released.
Shilling used to be believable
Did Orko mating press Evil Lyn yet?
Is it true they fired Sarah Michelle Gellar and replaced her with someone who could Voice Act?
they got Melissa Benoist to take over since her husband Chris Wood is He-Man in this.
>Husband and wife duet chemistry
Excellent call.
Prime Benoist could've made a decent live action Teela.
Why'd they do that?
I'd say cause she was cheaper but the truth is Sarah Michelle Gellar doesn't know how to voice act.
>Sarah Michelle Gellar
She was such vain c**t.
In the aftershow, her commentary amounted "I love Teela's hair"
Jesus Christ, how did you get this gig? You are essentially playing the protagonist, and all you can say is a superficial comment that you don't even believe in.
>Sarah Michelle Gellar doesn't know how to voice act.
Point, but she phoned in this performance. Maybe she was cranky that she'd become a big breakout star only to go back to voice acting.
She's busy producing a show on Paramount+, which works out fine because she really sucked as Teela.
>I will admit to being wrong.
about what?
Even if this new series is good (don't know if true, I'm sure as frick not gonna watch it) that doesn't somehow make Revelations less shit.
It was not as shitty as I expected it to be. If the other ones had this vibe it would be a much better overall experience.
You know things are kino when even Clownfish is saying things like "Kevin Smith got He-Man sorta right"
I just hope it spawns some decent fanart. Getting kinda sick and tired of 90% of all new He-Man art being "lol, gay."
The gay stuff will always be there for He-Man. I'd say be used to it already. That perception has always been around since the original cartoon.
There's a difference between a bit of art that acknowledges or pokes fun at "the gay stuff," and having it dominate your search results any time you hope to go looking for fanart. AI is of course making it worse. So many untalented people that think they're being funny...
What kind of fanart are you looking for in particular if I might ask? I guess I never bothered, but I remember there was hardly anything for MOTU Revelation. Mostly stuff surrounding She-Ra. Has there been a constant outflow of fanart for Revolution?
>Has there been a constant outflow of fanart for Revolution?
Nope. There's been a tiny trickle, but nothing like She-Ra's flood.
Hence my hoping that some positive word of mouth kickstarts some art.
Here, first bit I've seen for the new season.
Still bothered the other Netflix He-Man got cancelled.
Shatner and Hamill having Gollumesque split personality paycho-banter is amazing. Blows Revelation out of the water for that alone.
That was the highlight of the season for me. And I kind of feel a little bad for Keldor. It looks like he was a good kid before being shipped off to about-to-be-Horded Island and having his mind broken by Hordak.
If you told me 20 years ago that in 2024 Captain Kirk and Luke Skywalker would be having a conversation as split personalities of Skeletor, I wouldn't believe you, but here we are.
>If you told me 20 years ago that in 2024 Captain Kirk and Luke Skywalker would be having a conversation as split personalities of Skeletor, I wouldn't believe you, but here we are.
I hate how well it worked.
They totally went "lol, how about Shatner as the other voice of a Hamill-voiced Skeletor?"
But it fricking worked. It worked so fricking well. Hamill can nail the shrill luxuriating-in-his-evil voice for Skeletor, and Shatner nailed "kindly lovable uncle Keldor just here to offer advice and give pep-talks."
Sometimes gimmick-casting works.
I loved the Believe In Yourself talks he gave to Andra and Adam so much I kinda wish it wasn't a charade. But at least it was a glorious charade.
>Points to "they made a background character black" as "ruining a character"
You really don't want to be taken seriously, do you?
Don't forget Nimoy and Hamill were in Kingdom Hearts together as the big bad/good mentor respectfully
>I kind of feel a little bad for Keldor. It looks like he was a good kid before being shipped off to about-to-be-Horded Island and having his mind broken by Hordak.
His skin and optimism: gone
Buy an ad or have a nice day, shill.
This thread is so much worse than the last one its just someone hating on 200x culture war shit.
That's because kevin shills himself here, and he's creatively bankrupt so he resorts to spamming ragebait to drive engagement.
The marketers are trying real hard to re-write history I see. Reminds me of how things "evolved" over time from attacking fans (Shera reboot) to lying to them (Revelations). And now we have a very salty kinda giving fans what they want while being passive aggressive (Revolutions).
>The She-Ra reboot crew attacked fans (find your own evidence, I won't provide any), and Smith lied about Clownfish (just don't look at exactly what Clownfish said)
Holding anons accountable for spreading nonsense isn't rewriting history.
>She-ra had a insufferable show runner.
>She-ra had a insufferablly cringe fanbase.
>She-ra was a shit show.
People are really under selling how much this poison the well for He-Man shows.
You get a large enough fanbase you're going to have some people with cringe takes.
Also cringe: Holding onto twitter screencaps of randos' opinions for 3+ years.
>Spend about 5 minutes looking for a pic and turning it into jpeg
>You held on to that for 3+ years? H-Ha! your the cringe.
It's like I'm back in She-Ra threads. Thank you for agreeing on how bad the fanbase was though.
It's a screencap of an image from 2020, dude. I don't really give a frick if you just saved it today, "behold, I'm right to be a hater" while waving around a years-old tweet from a nobody isn't a great look.
>isn't a great look
This is how I can tell you migrated here from tumblr or twitter. We're anonymous so it doesn't matter how we look because we don't have a look.
On top of that, they also bought 5star spambots for rotten tomatoes. Some of the account names even have bits of html code in them.
I love how someone like me, who knows next to nothing about He-Man, can still keep up
why is skeletor never actually a threat?
He was, multiple times in 2002 MotU
he never beat heman or won a fight.
Yes he did
post proof
I mean, he murdered Motherboard, 1v1d Hordak and would have killed Super He-Man if not for the last minute Obi-Wan Randor assist.
Good: Had Rio Blast.
Bad: Needed more Rio Blast.
is this fanart or an unused 200x design because I fricking love it
I want a new He-Man show staring Skeletor as a comic character and He-Man as the straight man foil.
I want a Masterverse fighting game, where you can play as most of the character featured in Kevin Smiths MOTU and as an extra bonus you can play as the other versions of each character also. It would be like owning the toys and role playing as each character and possibly make people happy instead of upset with the storyline of the Animated series.
Why not just watch Batman?
I want to make a Space Barbarian fantasy that stars Jay and Silent Bob, but their identities will become Power Jay and Space Bob.
The villain for Power Jay and Space Bob is a couple known as the WildFish, One is a Grreen Troll and the other is a Fat Cow with Red hair.
So Skeletor was born first, but he was a bastard and also his skin was the wrong color, so he got exiled to a place that was invaded by a bloodthirsty horde while his little brother got to be King, even though Skeletor was clearly more proficient with both magic and technology. Also he got his skin burned off.
Yeah, I'd be salty as frick too.
He wasn't exiled due to his skin colour, it was because he was a bastard, not the same thing
Ehhhh, it sounded like mostly him being a bastard but "a little of both."
It's hard to hide it when you're blue for sure but it wasn't because they hate blue people
Furries, scalies, and bees are ok.
But frick those blue people.
Well yes... and no. My point was that because of his blue skin "being sent home" was an exile sentence, since the people of his island were isolationists and he wouldn't be allowed leave to visit family (or the other way around).
Keldor got the rawest fricking deal possible.
Blue Lives Matter! Get it?? Ha ha!
im not giving this shit a second of my time
You just did.
you just gave it 3 seconds.
In top 10 on Netflix, that's pretty good!
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How is New Adventures of He-Man? I kind of want to watch it out of morbid curiosity after seeing it in the Anti Eternia multiverse comic.
Why couldn’t Adam be both the king and the champion? Couldn’t he have formed his own council to take care of the admin work when he’s off adventuring?