From the new book about the formation of Marvel Studios.
PRE-MCU
>Marvel’s 90s bankruptcy battles were nuts. At one point, Ike Perlmutter and Avi Arad sprinted through the streets of Manhattan to crash a meeting with their pitch to save Marvel.
>Kevin Feige applied to USC film school six times before he was accepted. He and Geoff Johns were friends and junior staffers for Lauren Shuler-Donner. The first time Feige went to Comic-Con, he borrowed Johns’ car.
>Shuler-Donner believes studying under her and Laura Ziskin gave Feige a more "intuitive, empathetic" style than most film executives. Pressed for one of Feige’s shortcomings, Shuler-Donner allowed that "neatness is not his forte."
>Bryan Singer had never heard of the X-Men when he was approached to direct. Michael Jackson lobbied for the role of Professor X.
>In Spider-Man 4, John Malkovich would have played Vulture, and Anne Hathaway was Felicia Hardy, as previously reported. Angelina Jolie was tapped for Vulturess, who would be Vulture’s daughter. Sam Raimi ultimately left because he couldn’t see how to turn profits on a film that could cost nearly $400m.
>Before Iron Man, Jon Favreau and Avi Arad kicked around a comedic take on Captain America, an Elf-style journey of a squeaky clean 1940s soldier adjusting to the modern world.
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PHASE 1
>The Mandarin was the original secret third act villain of Iron Man, but was cut after X-Men 3 and Spider-Man 3 were criticized for having too many villains.
>The final scene written for the film (Stark tricking Stane into icing his armor) was turned in minutes before the 2007 WGA strike.
>The film’s final explosion was so large, it accidentally fried $180k worth of lights and drew the attention of the LAPD.
>The Norton VS. Marvel squabbles were mostly about tone: Norton wanted a longer ponderous movie, Marvel wanted a shorter adventure movie. The Captain America deleted scene was Norton’s original opening for the movie, but Marvel found it too dour.
>Feige has always delegated day-to-day to creative producers, who journey with the film from development to post-production. The first creative producers were Jeremy Latcham (Iron Man) and Stephen Broussard (Incredible Hulk).
>Don Cheadle was at his kid’s birthday party when a Marvel executive called, giving him an hour to decide whether to be War Machine. When he said he was in the middle of laser tag, the executive replied, "Oh, take two hours then.”
>The infamous Marvel Creative Committee was formed by Dan Buckley, Joe Quesada, Brian Michael Bendis, Louis D’Esposito, Kevin Feige and Alan Fine. The MCC’s most unpopular decisions and toxic feedback culture came from Fine, who was Perlmutter’s attack dog. “Screaming matches” were had because the MCC wanted Captain America to be set in the modern day.
>Even before they cast Tom Hiddleston, Marvel knew they wanted Loki to be the villain of The Avengers. Thor screenwriter Zack Stentz: “They literally said, ‘If you fail at everything else, please just give us a villain as good as Magneto in Loki.’”
>Chris Evans turned down Captain America twice, even after Marvel offered him the role without an audition. Robert Downey Jr. was enlisted to call Evans and convince him.
>Whedon chose the Chitauri for The Avengers because he didn’t want an alien army with complicated baggage, like the Kree or Skrulls.
>Whedon only intended Thanos to be a quick bit of fanservice, and Marvel approved the cameo without any thought or planning on how that would shape the MCU.
>Perlmutter resisted even Black Widow being an Avenger: he wanted the team to be all men. Marvel corporate believed the sweet spot to move action figures was white men in their 30s.
>The Runaways movie was cancelled because it wasn’t "toyetic" enough.
Yeah maybe they BTFO the toy corporate bosses with Black Widow, but she rose up under RDJ in other movies as a minor character, and she fit in. She wasn't her own brand. They tried to make her one and that dived.
>Marvel corporate believed the sweet spot to move action figures was white men in their 30s.
Yeah, you know them white men in their 30s and the way they hate sexy women...
the runaways would get greenlighted in current day
>Whedon chose the Chitauri for The Avengers because he didn’t want an alien army with complicated baggage, like the Kree or Skrulls.
As much as I don't like Whedon, and I don't even like Avengers, this was actually a smart decision, it let the focus of Avengers stay on the Avengers. Could've done better if Loki was a more credible threat.
Where are those executives who believed the sweet spot for an action team were white men in their 30s? I want them back, they're definitely absent during current MCU
>“Screaming matches” were had because the MCC wanted Captain America to be set in the modern day.
Good grief, was it really such a big deal to have the movie take place during WW2?
They lost the black audience which is why they had to add Black Panther to a Captain America movie (Civil War).
"Period movies are seen as boring by audiences" was the thinking.
But the same setting is what made the first Wonder Woman a financial success when the second was a failure, and Wonder Woman was a period movie in more ways than one.
>Bendis
>>The infamous Marvel Creative Committee was formed by Dan Buckley, Joe Quesada, Brian Michael Bendis, Louis D’Esposito, Kevin Feige and Alan Fine. The MCC’s most unpopular decisions and toxic feedback culture came from Fine, who was Perlmutter’s attack dog. “Screaming matches” were had because the MCC wanted Captain America to be set in the modern day.
resisted even Black Widow being an Avenger
>the Creative Committee became a production chokepoint, insisting on reading all scripts but taking longer than ever to respond to them, and coalesced around a single idea: the Marvel Cinematic Universe should exist to sell merchandise.
>>When Rebecca Hall signed for Iron Man 3, it was explicitly to play the film’s villain. The MCC forced Shane Black to change this due to toy sale concern
>When Blade, Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Ghost Rider reverted back to Marvel, Feige wanted to use them, but the MCC assigned them to Television, over Feige's objections.
>Star-Lord’s mixtape was her idea, which the MCC opposed.
>>The MCC noted the hell out of Ant-Man, shoehorning in MCU references
>>The MCC wanted to cut Tony Stark from Civil War. They also pushed for the airport fight to be Avengers VS. supersoldiers.
jesus fricking christ did these morons have any ideas that weren't pure fricking brainrot?
>Bendis
Bendis?
The writer?
Wow the MCC sound like absolute Black folk
That’s what you get when Bendis is involved.
PHASE 2
>As Marvel Studios entered Phase Two, the Creative Committee became a production chokepoint, insisting on reading all scripts but taking longer than ever to respond to them, and coalesced around a single idea: the Marvel Cinematic Universe should exist to sell merchandise.
>When Rebecca Hall signed for Iron Man 3, it was explicitly to play the film’s villain. The MCC forced Shane Black to change this due to toy sale concerns. For the same reasons, Hela was replaced as the villain of Thor 2.
>Marvel Studios and Marvel Television were housed on opposite ends of Disney’s Burbank headquarters. Marvel Studios regarded TV spinoffs as "forced synergy." When Blade, Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Ghost Rider reverted back to Marvel, Feige wanted to use them, but the MCC assigned them to Television, over Feige's objections.
>ABC was developing a Jessica Jones show which fell apart because the network wanted to retool the show to focus on Carol Danvers, who was originally a supporting character.
>Nicole Perlman wrote the first draft of Guardians of the Galaxy and initially had Nova as the lead character, but it was decided a more roguish figure was needed. Star-Lord’s mixtape was her idea, which the MCC opposed. Otherwise, they didn’t contribute much feedback because they believed GOTG would inevitably fail and they could use its flop to control Feige.
>When Blade, Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Ghost Rider reverted back to Marvel, Feige wanted to use them, but the MCC assigned them to Television, over Feige's objections.
Morons!
Daredevil is better than any of the MCU so I'm thankful for that. That run of Daredevil and the Punisher really exposed to me how bad the movies are.
>Star-Lord’s mixtape was her idea, which the MCC opposed. Otherwise, they didn’t contribute much feedback because they believed GOTG would inevitably fail and they could use its flop to control Feige.
The MCC are idiots.
There's a story about how Bendis, having seen the early scripts and ideas for Guardians from his role on the MCC, used them as the basis of his terrible comic, which James Gunn specifically told the actors not to read as part of their research, instead giving them older volumes.
Gunn sounds based
Also frick Bendis for his Spidey run.
>>When Rebecca Hall signed for Iron Man 3, it was explicitly to play the film’s villain. The MCC forced Shane Black to change this due to toy sale concerns.
I still love that they replaced Maya with Aldritch due to toy sales and then proceeded to not make any toys of Aldritch. Because "evil shirtless businessman" is everyone's favorite Marvel villain, right?
>they believed GOTG would inevitably fail and they could use its flop to control Feige.
Why did they need a hundreds of millions flop to control Feige?
>Edgar Wright first pitched Ant-Man all the way back in 2001, four years before Marvel Studios even existed. Wright was hired in 2006, but production was never an urgent priority for either party. Each time it was pushed back, the culture inside Marvel Studios changed, reconceiving how the film would serve the MCU.
>The MCC noted the hell out of Ant-Man, shoehorning in MCU references, which Wright and Cornish struggled to make work. To nudge things forward, Marvel Studios hired an in-house writer to do a rewrite, but it backfired. Wright was so shocked, he no longer believed Marvel operated as good faith collaborators and left the film.
>Patrick Wilson was originally Yellowjacket. The Adam McKay/Paul Rudd rewrite expanded Hope’s role in part because Evangeline Lilly hadn’t actually signed her contract. After Wright left, she negotiated for a larger part.
>Edgar Wright wanted to make an Ant-Man movie, but he wanted it to reflect his vision, not the larger needs of the MCU—so much so, he walked away from his own film. It marks a significant “What If . . . ?” moment in the history of Marvel Studios: If Wright had filmed his Ant-Man script in the early years of Marvel, he likely would have been able to make it his way, and he might have even shifted the trajectory of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, infusing it with his own sensibility and humor. He just waited too long.
>The infamous Marvel Creative Committee was formed by Dan Buckley, Joe Quesada, Brian Michael Bendis, Louis D’Esposito, Kevin Feige and Alan Fine. The MCC’s most unpopular decisions and toxic feedback culture came from Fine, who was Perlmutter’s attack dog. “Screaming matches” were had because the MCC wanted Captain America to be set in the modern day.
>As Marvel Studios entered Phase Two, the Creative Committee became a production chokepoint, insisting on reading all scripts but taking longer than ever to respond to them, and coalesced around a single idea: the Marvel Cinematic Universe should exist to sell merchandise.
>The MCC noted the hell out of Ant-Man, shoehorning in MCU references, which Wright and Cornish struggled to make work. To nudge things forward, Marvel Studios hired an in-house writer to do a rewrite, but it backfired. Wright was so shocked, he no longer believed Marvel operated as good faith collaborators and left the film.
So Disney is repeating the mistakes of the MCC?
PHASE THREE
>The MCC wanted to cut Tony Stark from Civil War. They also pushed for the airport fight to be Avengers VS. supersoldiers. Iger called Perlmutter to try and smooth things over, overriding Ike on greenlighting Black Panther and Captain Marvel. The production grew more contentious and the Russos threatened to quit. Finally, when Perlmutter decided to fire Feige, Iger cut the strings, freeing Feige. The MCC was dead.
>Sony’s contract with Marvel specified that after the release of a Spider-Man movie, the studio had to start production of the next one within three years and nine months, and get it into theaters within five years and nine months. Otherwise, the Spider-Man movie rights would revert to Marvel.
>Captain Marvel was a period piece to avoid figuring out how Carol would interact with SHIELD and the Avengers. They considered setting it in the 60s and 80s. The same firm that de-aged Patrick Stewart in X-Men 3 de-aged Samuel L. Jackson. The technology itself hasn’t actually evolved much: the artists are just more skilled.
>As they prepared to expand into television, Feige established the Marvel Studios Parliament, the top creative producers who have been with the company the longest. (They're basically Feige's direct reports.) Members: Stephen Broussard, Eric Carroll, Nate Moore, Jonathan Schwartz, Trinh Tran, and Brad Winderbaum.
>While filming Avengers: Endgame, the on-set plan was to have Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Spider-Man be the three new faces of the MCU. It didn’t work out well: Marvel temporarily lost the rights to Spider-Man, Chadwick Boseman passed, and Brie Larson became disillusioned about working with Marvel due to years of internet harassment campaigns.
>Brie Larson became disillusioned about working with Marvel due to years of internet harassment campaigns.
We fricking won?
>>The MCC wanted to cut Tony Stark from Civil War
That's like cutting Bruce Wayne from the Batman V Superman movie.
>The MCC wanted to cut Tony Stark from Civil War.
What is wrong with the MCC?!!
>Brie Larson became disillusioned about working with Marvel due to years of internet harassment campaigns
My poor baby. I hope you morbidly obese subhuman homosexuals are happy
>The MCC wanted to cut Tony Stark from Civil War. They also pushed for the airport fight to be Avengers VS. supersoldiers.
Was it even gonna be called civil war then?
Yes, the original pitch was "Avengers VS. U.S. government".
Now THAT'S problematic.
So Ike's brilliant idea was "The Avengers without Iron Man"? Hahaha what the frick
He thought RDJ was too expensive.
Yeah, but like... How the frick do you do an Avengers movie without Tony? Especially at the peak of "RDJ is the face of the MCU"?
Who is behind Brie Larson big push in the MCU again?
>>The MCC wanted to cut Tony Stark from Civil War
There people are moronic.
>The same firm that de-aged Patrick Stewart in X-Men 3 de-aged Samuel L. Jackson. The technology itself hasn’t actually evolved much: the artists are just more skilled.
tfw hollywood had access to deepfakes since X-men fricking 3!
>Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Spider-Man be the three new faces of the MCU
Oh think about the demographics and the toys!
>Brie Larson became disillusioned about working with Marvel due to years of internet harassment campaigns.
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAH
>brie larson
>hahahaha
...it's morons like you that make sure shitty movies get made for some anime trash that nobody watches or Sam Hyde.
>Chadwick Boseman passed
He's still such a fricking dick for having cancer and not telling anyone. I understand that it's a personal matter and everyone is entitled to some privacy and all that but holy shit they were clearly planning on him/T'Challa being around for a while.
>the on-set plan was to have Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Spider-Man be the three new faces of the MCU
I'm not a huge fan of any of these characters but this would have worked way better than whatever cluster frick they have going on now. I guess it goes to show that even with good planning and unlimited money you can only hold together a franchise like the mcu for so long before something completely unexpected fricks you over.
PHASE FOUR
>Marvel Studios was so determined to minimize any connection with Marvel Television that Eternals wasn't allowed take place in Hawaii so as to not risk reminding audiences of Inhumans.
>After Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, Gunn planned on sticking around the MCU to flesh out its cosmic side. But after being fired and rehired, he made clear his future loyalties would be with DC.
>For Disney Investor Day 2020, Feige and Kathleen Kennedy were pressured into announcing projects “nowhere near ready,” namely Armor Wars and Fantastic Four. "The event wrongfooted Marvel: The studio struggled to deliver on all the promises it made during that presentation."
>Spider-Man: No Way Home basically never had a finished screenplay because so many elements were in flux. Gwen Stacy, Mary Jane Watson, and Sally Field’s Aunt May were all in various drafts. Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield weren’t signed until two months into filming.
>Marvel Studios assigned junior executives to work on their initial TV series. This freed up the writers/directors from bothering Feige and the Parliament with creative minutiae, but also meant Feige didn’t perform much oversight over the TV shows. The shows were built more like movies: the head writers delivered scripts, but the director ultimately called the shots on the production. Kate Herron had a mini-room reworking Waldron’s Loki scripts.
A lot of these don't ring true. They just sound like damage control stories that didn't happen or conveniently make sense but are lies.
They could have avoided filming in hawaii for any dozens of reasons for example.
Inhumans wasn't even that bad for a tv show.
That and why the hell would people be reminded of a show nobody saw?
hahaha
Maybe it's bait to get people to watch it. I have no idea but there is always an angle with these articles. Whatever OP is posting was obviously planned for some reason.
Inhumans is a sour spot for a lot of people at Marvel due to how much Ike Perlmutter pushed them to replace the X-Men.
Doesn't seem like he pushed very hard if it only got a tv show.
It was originally a movie. After Feige convinced Bob Iger to make Marvel Studios autonomous, Feige promptly cancelled it, and Perlmutter turned it into a TV show.
It is all forgotten now, but it was a big deal during development: It was filmed entirely in IMAX, and Perlmutter cut a deal for the first two episodes to receive a limited theatrical release (which had an attendancy of dozens).
Because executives are morons. Go read the Sony emails and tell me these sound outlandish.
>They just sound like damage control stories that didn't happen or conveniently make sense but are lies.
Sounds exactly like an out of touch executive with too much control, I believe it.
There's other decisions going on. The psyop power of these films can't be denied. Someone is guiding these decisions. It's not just a matter of toys and bullshit.
I think you're overestimating the kind of inept parasites that gradually slide their into positions of power one something becomes successful.
I have no doubt some of this goes on, but to say the final product is a mishmash of this chaos is ridiculous. There's clear deliberate propaganda in these movies. There's subversive themes and characterizations. There's subliminal messages. Each film targets different demographics very carefully. There's still a curtain we're not seeing behind.
Tv and movies have had propaganda since the beginning of time. This isn’t something new. You’re going too far into tinfoil hat territory
I am not.
>It smells like a new car in here!
It's just ideologues being ideologues. Much easier to make power-grabs when you mask it with "inclusiveness."
What Marvel probably doesn't want to mention, since it's still technically one of their products, is that Inhumans seriously damaged Hawaii's economy. They got huge tax breaks to film there because the Hawaiian government was led to believe it was a Marvel blockbuster and not a cheap TV show, and that housing it would boost the local film industry, which it obviously didn't.
>Kate Herron had a mini-room reworking Waldron’s Loki scripts.
how the frick did those scripts get past two fricking writers and the rest of the production team? fricking hell, what were they DOING?
> Literally have to create a mini-room to rework Michael "33 rewrites" Waldron's terrible scripts.
I hope Marvel, DC Comics, and Hollywood have learned to never trust anything Bendis touches ever again.
>Victoria Alonso joined Marvel during Iron Man, becoming the #3 executive in the company, responsible for VFX and post-production. In 2019, when Feige became head of Marvel Entertainment, he immediately promoted Alonso, but a rift began developing.
>Feige was incensed after Alonso criticized CEO Bob Chapek for not denouncing Florida’s "Don’t Say Gay" bill, breaking Feige’s "don’t air dirty laundry in public" rule. Feige speculated if she had "outgrown" her role.
>One of the only times Alonso refused a request from the higher-ups was removing LGBTQ references in Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania for release in certain countries. Louis D’Esposito hired a VFX team behind her back, which she considered a profound betrayal. When Disney fired Alonso this year, nobody from Marvel Studios intervened.
>Feige places a great deal of pride on the MCU’s Rotten Tomatoes scores, displaying the “Certified Fresh” plaques in Marvel Studios.
>Following Black Bolt's surprise cameo in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, everyone in MCU history appears to be on Feige’s call list, except for two people: Edward Norton and Joss Whedon.
>Feige places a great deal of pride on the MCU’s Rotten Tomatoes scores, displaying the “Certified Fresh” plaques in Marvel Studios.
LMAO what a basic, artless b***h
places a great deal of pride on the MCU’s Rotten Tomatoes scores, displaying the “Certified Fresh” plaques in Marvel Studios.
Oh ffs who gives a shit
>When Disney fired Alonso this year, nobody from Marvel Studios intervened.
Kek. Imagine being that awful to work with.
This b***h made a ted talk and took a lot of pride in stuff SHE contributed in. But everything I read about her just screams bullshit, I don't know why Kevin kept her around for so long.
What did whedon do lol
He dropped the ball with Age of Ultron and tried to shift the blame. Marvel is pretty merciless with people who do that. Recently they fired the Ant-Man: Quantumania writer (who was at one point going to write the next Avengers movie) and the Secret Invasion producer.
I think whedon is just unlikable due to being a beta cuck and is probably unpleasant to be around
>>One of the only times Alonso refused a request from the higher-ups was removing LGBTQ references in Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania for release in certain countries.
Why does a subordinate get to refuse a request to do what the higher ups tell her to do?
>Louis D’Esposito hired a VFX team behind her back
And why do they have to go behind her back?
Like I said, it's all bullshit.
places a great deal of pride on the MCU’s Rotten Tomatoes scores, displaying the “Certified Fresh” plaques in Marvel Studios.
What a fricking manchild, god that's pathetic. Makes a lot of sense though.
More BTS stories
>The Incredible Hulk was Marvel Studios’ safe bet, while Iron Man was the risky side project.
>Robert Downey Jr. met with Marvel Entertainment about playing Doctor Doom in 2005’s Fantastic Four.
>The Marvel board favored Timothy Olyphant over Robert Downey Jr. for Tony Stark due to RDJ’s past issues with drug addiction.
>The original Iron Man script was terrible. The Mandarin was the villain and his plan was to dig a tunnel under Stark Industries to steal Stark’s inventions. The story only came together when Jon Favreau decided to make Obadiah Stane the villain and give him his own suit.
>There is a deleted scene revealing Stark Industries built Doctor Octopus’ arms from Spider-Man 2 and an alternative post-credits scene where Nick Fury directly references “radioactive spider bites” and “assorted genetic mutations” as other shit SHIELD is dealing with.
>Producer Ike Perlmutter originally didn’t want to pay the royalties to feature Black Sabbath’s “Iron Man” in the movie. He also complained about the opening scene originally featuring a convoy of 10 Humvees and ordered the number to be cut down to two.
>Mark Ruffalo was the first choice to play Bruce Banner in The Incredible Hulk, but he wasn’t available at the time.
>Edward Norton argued with the producers constantly during filming for The Incredible Hulk and ended up being fired from The Avengers.
Ike Perlmutter originally didn’t want to pay the royalties to feature Black Sabbath’s “Iron Man” in the movie. He also complained about the opening scene originally featuring a convoy of 10 Humvees and ordered the number to be cut down to two.
Jesus Christ what a fricking israelite. How fricking expensive could renting some cars be for a movie studio?
>Jesus Christ what a fricking israelite. How fricking expensive could renting some cars be for a movie studio?
All those little costs add up
>Edward Norton argued with the producers constantly during filming for The Incredible Hulk and ended up being fired from The Avengers.
Edward Norton is a huge Marvel nerd and probably had better ideas than what they had in store for him. Hulk is such a joke character now.
>Edward Norton is a huge Marvel nerd
He's probably a total c**t like every actor who identifies as a "method actor." Imagine having to work with Daniel Day Lewis and having to resist the urge to kick his ass.
Super-model face for the Hulk's face? Nah frick you. Norton's Hulk is the worst Hulk.
Bana>Ruffalo>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
Nobodys talking about Hulks design. Norton wanted to delve into the psychology of Banner and Marvel didn't.
Having the Hulk with a super-model face is the most moronic shit I ever heard. Good thing that moron Norton is out.
>>The original Iron Man script was terrible. The Mandarin was the villain and his plan was to dig a tunnel under Stark Industries to steal Stark’s inventions.
That's some Team Rocket shit
>Terrence Howard was paid more than RDJ for the first Iron Man. RDJ managed to negotiate a pay raise for Iron Man 2 due to the first movie’s success, and Howard tried to do the same. When Marvel refused, he threated to sue and got fired and recast with Don Cheadle. Perlmutter allegedly claimed nobody would notice because “all black people look the same”.
>Iron Man 2 was not originally part of the plan for Phase 1, but Perlmutter rushed it into production to cash in on the first movie's popularity, and the tepid audience response convinced Marvel to avoid rushing into sequels without having a clear creative vision.
>Emily Blunt was originally cast as Black Widow in Iron Man 2, but had to drop out due to scheduling conflicts with Gulliver’s Travels, and they cast Scarlett Johansson instead.
>Justin Hammer’s butler Jack was a real-life chef they hired to cook the food Hammer and Ivan Vanko would eat during their first meeting, but the guy had such good banter with Sam Rockwell they wrote him into the movie.
>Chris Hemsworth blew his first audition for Thor and was turned down. The shortlist for the role was Chris’s brother Liam Hemsworth, Joel Kinnaman, Charlie Hunnan and Alexander Skarsgard. Joss Whedon encouraged him to film another audition while they were doing Cabin in the Woods together, and it impressed Marvel enough that Hemsworth was cast.
>Sebastian Stan, Wyatt Russell, Chris Pratt, Ryan Phillipe, Garrett Hedlund, Chace Crowford, Jensen Ackles and John Krasinski tested for Captain America, with Stan later best cast as Bucky, Pratt as Star-Lord and Russell as John Walker. Ackles was later offered Hawkeye as well, but turned down to stay on Supernatural.
Blunt was originally cast as Black Widow in Iron Man 2, but had to drop out due to scheduling conflicts with Gulliver’s Travels
Bluntbros... did we chose right?
>Perlmutter allegedly claimed nobody would notice because “all black people look the same”.
hahahaha
>and the tepid audience response convinced Marvel to avoid rushing into sequels without having a clear creative vision.
lol
lmao, even
>Kenneth Branagh didn’t want to call the hammer “Mjolnir” because he thought audiences wouldn’t be able to pronounce it. He wanted to call it “Uru” instead, but Kevin Feige told him fans wouldn't accep it. It led to the joke about Kat Dennings’ character not being able to pronounce it in-universe.
>Chris Pratt tested for Thor’s friend Fandral. Stuart Townsend was originally cast, but got fired after showing up on set drunk on the first day of filming and instigating a physical fight with the costume designer. He got replaced by Josh Dallas.
>Ant-Man was supposed to be part of Phase 1, but was delayed so Edgar Wright could finish the Cornetto trilogy first.
>The original plan was to release one movie per year, with Ant-Man in 2009, Thor in 2010, Captain America: The First Avenger in 2011 and The Avengers in 2012. Ant-Man’s delay left 2009 without a film, and Iron Man 2 took the 2010 spot while Thor had to be delayed to 2011 due to the writers' strike.
>Earlier drafts of The Avengers were very Iron Man-centric per the demands of the Marvel Creative Committee and even featured Zeke Stane as a supporting villain alongside Loki.
>Scarlett Johansson nearly dropped out of The Avengers due to salary disputes, so Joss Whedon wrote a couple of drafts replacing Black Widow for The Wasp, and he wanted Zooey Deschanel for the role. When Johansson ultimately signed on, the Wasp was cut to focus on the preexisting characters.
>Perlmutter wanted to pander to China with special cuts exclusive to the Chinese market with additional footage set in China and starring Chinese actors. The Chinese cut of The Avengers was meant to include a post-credits scene introducing Shang-Chi as the main character who would appear on the Chinese cuts of most MCU films, but the idea was postponed to Iron Man 3 due to the tight production schedule of The Avengers.
>Perlmutter wanted to pander to China with special cuts exclusive to the Chinese market with additional footage set in China and starring Chinese actors. The Chinese cut of The Avengers was meant to include a post-credits scene introducing Shang-Chi as the main character who would appear on the Chinese cuts of most MCU films, but the idea was postponed to Iron Man 3 due to the tight production schedule of The Avengers.
How cringe.
Johansson nearly dropped out of The Avengers due to salary disputes, so Joss Whedon wrote a couple of drafts replacing Black Widow for The Wasp, and he wanted Zooey Deschanel for the role. When Johansson ultimately signed on, the Wasp was cut to focus on the preexisting characters.
Zooey bros....
>Stuart Townsend was originally cast, but got fired after showing up on set drunk on the first day of filming and instigating a physical fight with the costume designer. He got replaced by Josh Dallas.
He was also meant to be Aragorn but was replaced by Viggo while filming.
I'm sensing a pattern
>got fired after showing up drunk and instigating a fight
>irish actor
Hmmmm......
wanted to pander to China with special cuts exclusive to the Chinese market with additional footage set in China and starring Chinese actors. The Chinese cut of The Avengers was meant to include a post-credits scene introducing Shang-Chi as the main character who would appear on the Chinese cuts of most MCU films, but the idea was postponed to Iron Man 3 due to the tight production schedule of The Avengers.
Aha... Ahahahahaha. A lot of Perlmutters decisions were based but this idea's hilarious given China fricking hated Shang-Chi. They said Awkwafina was an insult to Chinese beauty and banned the film.
What’s the book?
>Iron Man 3 actually had a Chinese cut with an entire subplot about the doctor who would perform the surgery to remove the shrapnel from Stark's chest. Chinese audiences absolutely hated it and the concept of the Chinese cuts was promptly scrapped.
>Iron Man 3 was rewritten so many times that they only managed to figure out the third act because RDJ had to take a six weeks leave after an on-set injury.
>The original script featured Aldrich Killian using his Extremis-enhanced pheromones to seduce Pepper Potts into an uncontrollable lust, record their sexual encounter and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark.
>RDJ was not available for the final scene where Stark throws his Arc Reactor into the ocean. It was performed by a stand-in and RDJ's face was digitally superimposed on his body in post-production.
>Benedict Cumberbatch was originally approached for Malekith in Thor: The Dark World, but was unavailable at the time. He remained in contact with Marvel and voiced his interest in Doctor Strange before learning that Feige was interested in him for that specific role.
>Loki originally had a really small role in Thor: The Dark World and would have died for real, but the character became so popular after The Avengers that they had reshoots to expand his role and change his fate.
>Anthony Hopkins signed on for Thor to work with Kenneth Branagh and never cared much for the role. Due to the troubled production of Thor: The Dark World, where Odin’s role was changed several times, he quit the franchise, and the plan was for Loki to have killed Odin off-screen in order to usurp the throne, but Hopkins later decided to sign for Thor: Ragnarok because he wanted to work with Taika Waititi.
>>The original script featured Aldrich Killian using his Extremis-enhanced pheromones to seduce Pepper Potts into an uncontrollable lust, record their sexual encounter and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark.
In this episode of the writer's undisguised fetish...
>The original script featured Aldrich Killian using his Extremis-enhanced pheromones to seduce Pepper Potts into an uncontrollable lust, record their sexual encounter and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark.
What
We can't have people learning about 6th and 7th + senses.
Ironman was a highly sexual franchise. It would have made much more sense than what we got.
Never let cucks into a creative role. They make everything about their fetish.
A similar thing happened in an Ultimates comic but I believe it was Stark's sextape with Black Widow?
>The original script featured Aldrich Killian using his Extremis-enhanced pheromones to seduce Pepper Potts into an uncontrollable lust, record their sexual encounter and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark
How perverted or how high you have to be to think they'll would have been good idea
Just a normal israelite
Ironman 2 has a giant sex bunny stuffed animal and Tony fricks models in the opening scene of 1 and lusts after agent red head in 2, and goes to frick in a hotel room in 3 and meets a little boy in 3
>>The original script featured Aldrich Killian using his Extremis-enhanced pheromones to seduce Pepper Potts into an uncontrollable lust, record their sexual encounter and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark.
Now, imagine how much better this plotline would've been if they'd kept Maya as the main villain.
>The original script featured Aldrich Killian using his Extremis-enhanced pheromones to seduce Pepper Potts into an uncontrollable lust, record their sexual encounter and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark.
Lmao no way that's real
>The infamous Marvel Creative Committee was formed by Dan Buckley, Joe Quesada, Brian Michael Bendis, Louis D’Esposito, Kevin Feige and Alan Fine.
>Hawkeye had an entire subplot in Captain America: The Winter Soldier that had to be cut to shorten the runtime. He would chase Cap after he escapes from the Triskelion, leading to a big fight in an abandoned warehouse where Cap overpowers him, and he surreptitiously warns Cap his SHIELD suit has a tracker, leading Cap to ditch it before meeting up with Black Widow at the hospital.
>The original plan was to introduce Gamora, Drax and Rocket & Groot in three Marvel One-Shots ahead of Guardians of the Galaxy, followed by a fourth one-shot about young Peter Quill ending with him being abducted by the Ravagers.
>There were persistent rumors that Marvel would adapt Planet Hulk during production of Avengers: Age of Ultron, so Feige changed the original ending where Hulk’s Quinjet flies into orbit and disappears in space to it disappearing over the ocean to avoid giving fans false hope.
>Captain Marvel was originally going to be introduced as a member of the New Avengers at the end of Age of Ultron to set up her spinoff solo film.
>After the success of The Avengers, Feige named Whedon creative director to Phase 2. Whedon read the scripts and gave notes on all Phase 2 projects, but ultimately cracked under the pressure of delivering on Avengers: Age of Ultron, which had a troubled production with numerous clashes between Whedon and the studio. Whedon was fired after AoU came out.
>Perlmutter wanted to cut Tony Stark out of Captain America: Civil War so they wouldn't have to pay RDJ's big salary.
wanted to cut Tony Stark out of Captain America: Civil War
>>The committee was also against Giant-Man
How stupid are these people that they never learned that everything they said not to do turned out to be some of the greatest, most beloved parts of the MCU?
>>The committee was also against Ego turning out to be evil in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 claiming audiences would complain if Kurt Russell and Chris Pratt were advertised as a father-son duo only for Russell to turn out to be evil.
This just in: The MCC has never seen or heard of Star Wars.
>The committee was also against Giant-Man, so an alternative airport battle was drafted where Scarlet Witch blows up an underground pipeline as Team Cap’s big diversion.
>James Gunn initially refused to see Chris Pratt for Star-Lord, claiming he was “all wrong” for the role. But after numerous unsuccessful auditions with other actors, he was convinced to give Pratt a try and 10 minutes in was convinced Pratt was the one.
>Chadwick Boseman and Lupita Nyong’o auditioned for Drax and Gamora in Guardians of the Galaxy years before being cast in Black Panther. Karen Gillan also tested for Sharon Carter before landing Nebula.
>Joss Whedon was the one who recommended against making Star-Lord the son of J'Son of Spartax in the MCU, claiming that making Star-Lord royalty would rob the character of the "relatable everyman" factor that had made him so popular with audiences.
>The committee was also against Ego turning out to be evil in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 claiming audiences would complain if Kurt Russell and Chris Pratt were advertised as a father-son duo only for Russell to turn out to be evil.
>Tom Holland sent several videos of himself doing acrobatics in his backyard as part of his audition for Spider-Man. Jon Watts and the previz department used the videos as the basis to choreograph Spider-Man’s fight scenes.
>Taika Waititi almost didn’t land the Ragnarok gig. He was in Hawaii and had to meet Feige in Los Angeles to talk about the movie, but his passport was held in New Zealand. He only managed to make it because he had written the first draft of Moana and still had his Disney visa letter.
>Hopkins was the one who pushed for Odin to die as a delusional vagrant in the streets of New York in Ragnarok, since he hated cheesy family reunion scenes. Waititi agreed at first, but after the scene tested poorly, he conceded that Thor and Loki needed a genuine final moment with their father and convinced Hopkins to reshoot the scene.
>Holland sent several videos that ended up being used to choreograph fight scenes.
This and others from this post are absolute cringe.
was the one who pushed for Odin to die as a delusional vagrant in the streets of New York in Ragnarok, since he hated cheesy family reunion scenes.
Based
Waititi robbed us
Hopkins was right. A king dying as a vagrant is actually poetic and Shakespearian.
But they re-shot it with bland CGI.
I will always be of the view that Brian Blessed (Branagh's choice) was born to play Odin.
Quit pretending this is cool. It's fricking stupid. Could have been done better, but it says something to keep his secret from them until his last breaths. People with such extremely long lifespans would do things exactly like that.
>The writers were reluctant to revisit The Avengers. Earlier drafts had Stark accompanying Thor to 2013’s Asgard and using a stealth armor to steal the Tesseract from Odin’s vault, leading to a fight with Heimdall, while Cap, Hulk and Ant-Man would steal Loki’s scepter from the Triskelion in 2013 (hence recreating the elevator scene from The Winter Soldier) while Scarlet Witch and Rocket go to the Sanctum Sanctorum to get the Time Stone from the Ancient One.
>The idea for the all-female scene in Endgame came from a pic that the actresses took during a filming break. They were afraid it could come across as pandering, so they did reshoots to include more scenes of the characters fighting together beforehand so the big team-up felt more organic (it didn’t).
>Chris Hemsworth thought he was going to be phased out of the MCU when he found out he wasn’t going to be in Civil War.
>Paul Bettany had been told by his agent that he would probably never land a big role again moments before getting a call about playing Vision in Age of Ultron.
>Feige's original vision for the Endgame ending was all six Avengers sacrificing themselves together to defeat Thanos in a moment akin to the "jump into the furnace" scene from Toy Story 3, but it was ultimately decided that all six MCU leads dying at the same time would rob each death of its full emotional impact.
>Stark originally said nothing when he snapped Thanos away in Endgame. After test-screenings the Russos felt he needed to have one final line and considered many options before the editor suggested “and I am Iron Man” as a callback to the first movie. Filming Stark’s death was difficult for RDJ so he was reluctant to go back to reshoot it at first.
>>The writers were reluctant to revisit The Avengers. Earlier drafts had Stark accompanying Thor to 2013’s Asgard and using a stealth armor to steal the Tesseract from Odin’s vault, leading to a fight with Heimdall, while Cap, Hulk and Ant-Man would steal Loki’s scepter from the Triskelion in 2013 (hence recreating the elevator scene from The Winter Soldier) while Scarlet Witch and Rocket go to the Sanctum Sanctorum to get the Time Stone from the Ancient One.
This would have been so much more fun
TLDR: movie-making is gayer than a Black person homosexual
>Ken Watanabe was the original choice for the Ancient One in Doctor Strange. After the media accused the character of being a racial stereotype, they considered Morgan Freeman and Bill Nighy for the role before landing on Tilda Swinton.
>Wong also wasn’t present in the original script for Doctor Strange since a Strange having a Chinese manservant would be problematic and both Wong and the Ancient One being Asian could have the movie labeled a white savior narrative. Only when Swinton was cast as TAO that they decided to include Wong as one of Strange’s teachers instead.
>Pierce Brosnan was the backup choice for Hank Pym if Michael Douglas declined. Joseph Gordon-Levitt was the runner-up for Scott Lang against Paul Rudd, and Jessica Chastain was originally approached for Hope Van Dyne before they cast Evangeline Lilly.
>Jessica Chastain turned down several love interest roles in the MCU because she knew she would only get one shot at it and wanted to play a superhero or supervillain. She ultimately signed on for Dark Phoenix over at Fox, where she was supposed to be play Empress Lilandra in a two-part epic, which was fricked over by the Disney/Fox merger, and ended up a cheap box office bomb where she had to play the nameless queen of the not!Skrulls.
>Jessica Chastain wanted to get her MCU role just right and ultimately decided on playing a character in a Fox X-Men movie
>Problematic
Such a loaded homosexual term.
So is that why Strange isn't Sorcerer Supreme and Wong is just shoehorned in with really shitty plot fill ins like
>Oh by the way, she is prophesized to rule the multiverse or destroy the book hehe
Wong: The Darkhold was written by an ancient demon, Chthon.
Movie proceeds to be completely about the fake kids.
>Marvel’s creative process is they shoot the film, Feige reviews the footage, and they have additional photography based on his notes.
>Feige wanted to do three movies and two series per year, but Disney demanded more content to prop up Disney+. Because of this, Feige wasn’t able to give notes on all the projects and inexperienced outside producers had to be brought in to handle certain projects, leading to quality decline.
>WandaVision was filmed without an ending due to the production overhaul of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness after Scott Derrickson left and Sam Raimi came in.
>The Falcon and the Winter Soldier was heavily reshot to change the original storyline featuring a pandemic due to Covid.
>Marvel was blindsided by Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania flopping. Internal feedback and test screenings were very positive, and they thought they had a hit.
>On the other hand, Secret Invasion had a troubled production and had to be almost entirely reshot, so Marvel was prepared for it to flop.
>Fantastic Four and X-Men are the top priorities.
>Feige is hard at work to fix things: Content output has been reduced, upcoming projects are being more extensively tested, the production method for the TV shows is being overhauled, and continuity more carefully maintained.
>Feige's plans to reboot the MCU after Avengers: Secret Wars, establishing a new continuity that includes the Fantastic Four and the X-Men and prunes all characters/storylines that didn't work.
>RDJ knew how important Iron Man was to Marvel and was known to pull his weight around on productions, helping actors get pay raises and pushing for specific storylines he felt attached to. This is one of the reasons why Perlmutter attempted to axe him from Captain America: Civil War, and also why Iron Man 4 never happened despite RDJ being interested and even recommending Mel Gibson to direct.
>After being asked to give notes on Spider-Man: Homecoming and Captain Marvel, James Gunn reportedly claimed he was the "new Joss Whedon" AKA Marvel's creative figurehead, something which Feige disputed. Gunn has recently claimed to have collaborated on most Phase 3 projects.
>Eternals was an attempt to make an arthouse superhero film. After reviewing the footage, Feige reportedly feared it wouldn't work and recommended reshoots to add more action and humor, but Chloe Zhao's Oscar win midway through production emboldened Marvel to not interfere with her vision. Alas, the movie flopped both critically and commercially.
>Spider-Man, Doctor Strange and Ant-Man are being positioned as the new leads of the Multiverse Saga, along with legacy characters such as Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man, Hugh Jackman's Wolverine and Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool.
>All those shouting streetshitters got Tobey Macguire back into A-list territory.
Redeemed, sirs.
>recommending Mel Gibson to direct
Imagine.
was an attempt to make an arthouse superhero film.
Non-shit capeshit
lmfao
The current MCU roster is so shit they have to drag Tobey and Hugh Jackman out of retirement to save them
It's bizarre that they keep introducing all these new characters and then continue to do nothing with them. I really enjoyed Shang-Chi (both the movie and the character) but it feels like that came out like five years ago and he hasn't even been referenced once.
go to bed, chang.
They are trying to have instant hit like black cat man
They don't want to work hard to make these characters
It's like they make sure not to include them in any significant plotlines to test the waters with them. If they just committed, they might have less issue.
I liked Shang-Chi too but only the father and mother scenes. I don't really liked the Americanization of Shang and his moronic side kick.
Shiang Chi is a nearly great movie let down by the Marvel formula. It's at its best when it's doing its own thing.
>Iron Man 4 never happened despite RDJ being interested and even recommending Mel Gibson to direct
We ware fricking robbed.
>This is one of the reasons why Perlmutter attempted to axe him from Captain America: Civil War, and also why Iron Man 4 never happened despite RDJ being interested and even recommending Mel Gibson to direct.
based rdj
too bad he wasn't powerful enough to make it happen
Ike Perlmutter sounds like everything wrong with Hollywood personified.
He was right about blacks and women tho
Dude is 80. He was senior citizens when iron man came out.
And people tought it was fine to listen his inputs over comic book movies?
On otherhand. Kevin feige is 50. He was mid 30s when iron man came out.
That elf idea sounds kino. I can imagine him telling blacks to GTFO of his train car.
Only inside info i wanna hear about marvel is about how they are reacting to all the bombs after they went full shitlib post endgame. Yes I am aware there was a bit of woke shit before then but they clearly stepped it up afterwards.
Not sure how we would hear much. It's the same with BlizzardActivision. They purged all the non-shitlibs, so who would spill it for us.
Reading all of this it's clear how much important 'respecting the comic fans' was during the first half of Infinity saga. It's only after the last 5 years somehow the message turned into 'if you dont like it, dont watch it, this is not for you." And now the damage has been done and there's little to no chance to bring those genuine respect to the fanbase back.
>The hammer has to be called Mjolnir. The fans won't accept anything else.
>I wanted to make MODOK look like a giant moron-baby because I thought it'd be funny, and if the fans don't like it, frick them.
They really need to stop hiring Rick & Morty writers. They are incapable of any form of sincerity.
Rick and morty is high art of our times
Yeah, it's absolutely insane.
So basically no one knew what the frick they were doing and even Iron Man being great was pure luck.
>it's a "Feige is a genius who was always right" shill thread
EXCLUSIVE: They wanted to make Wong one of the Marvels until Brie flipped out because she'd long been jealous of him. For no reason because Wong is a piece of shit
There's almost all the MCU actors stories about how they got their role. Nothing about Brie Larson.
They have managed to ruin Thor, Wanda, Scott, etc, to the point that they cannot recover.
I really liked his Daredevil run and Disassembled but as soon as Bendis started getting real power at Marvel he turned into a never-ending disaster
Why am I so horny for Wanda???
Because you want to frick her and dominate her.
It's not normal to have those thoughts about actresses, bet she's married.
>despite advertising their film releases in phases years ahead of time and having movie storylines synchronize up with each other there really is no consistent through line or plan behind this shit.
>It's literally just a bunch of petty and moronic producers squabbling and meddling with the (often moronic) creative vision of the actors and directors behind the scenes, jammed and squashed into place and hastily ductaped together.
>When a film succeeds it's a completely fluke.
>When a film flops nobody sees it coming.
>They really have no fricking idea what they're doing, even this late into the game, they even thought quantimania was a certified hit
You'd think Disney to have a tighter hold on their shit given that company's history and the stupid amount of money being thrown around.
Looking at Star Wars, Disney sure doesn't know what the frick they're doing.
Anyone interested in the machinations of Marvel comics and the behind the scenes' drama in the 90's should read Dan Raviv's book Comic Wars!!!FACT!!!