COPY PASTING FALL OF CYBERTRON WAS SO FRICKING HARD?
FRICK HASBRO AND FRICK PARAMOUNT THEY CANT FRICKING STOP RAPING TRANSFORMERS
>MCU quipfest
COPY PASTING FALL OF CYBERTRON WAS SO FRICKING HARD?
FRICK HASBRO AND FRICK PARAMOUNT THEY CANT FRICKING STOP RAPING TRANSFORMERS
I wish somebody raped the fanboys for a change. Maybe they'd finally shut the frick up.
blame the Bumblebeegays
Yes
Who are these fricking who liked that pile of shit anyway? Bumblebee was the worst Transformers movie by far
Bumblebee has been the best live-action TF movie so far, by far.
Bumblebee remains the highwater mark for the live-action films by virtue of being a competent movie.
You're a silly man
Self-insert whales that want non-human men to marry their asses. It's the Shape of Water of Transformers franchise.
Are you moronic? Bumblebee is the only moderately good Transformers movie besides the original.
I'm convinced the only reason people like this movie is because of the last minute crunch and asset dump ILM busted their asses to do to create the Cybertron opening. Yeah it's actually competent compared to all the other movies and has "not Bayverse" loosely going for it but what else does it really offer?
A good story, with good action, with good designs, and good characters.
This is all regardless of the Cybertron scenes that haters will always claim "is the only thing people like". No. The rest of the movie is good too.
LOL
The movie sucks its just the Iron Giant but with the Transformers brand slapped on it. It's just a generic young human teen befriends alien while hiding from US Goverment movie. A lame generic plot thats been recycled a dozen of times. I'd take any of the Bayformers over that shit.
You're out of your mind. Bay films are barely coherent slop.
Who cares they're still cool. Unlike the lame ass Bumblebee movie which only appeals to nostalgiagay redditors. The Bayformers films atleast did something unique and experimental with the IP which is more than you can say about Travis Knight's Iron Giant knockoff.
This, despite the often irreedeemable plots and screenwriting of this "trilogy" there was still a lot of talent behind the scenes and genuinely cool new ideas in the play, flashes of professionalism that briefly shone through. Now imagine if they actually had good writing (that isn't only good for memes) to back up the groundbreaking spectacle in setpieces/vfx/soundtrack. Or if the Cybertronians screen time wasn't limited by hardware limitations and whatnot or used more smartly. Or if the Decepticons looked more like Decepticons.
>5 minutes of robot action squished in between of the most awful dated leftover 90's action movie humans
It's like Bay and his writers saw ID4 and Godzilla 98 and pattered all their writing after that.
>5 minutes of robot action
Have you never seen any of the films? Like what are you even talking about. The movies were nothing but action it was to a fault. It was one of the main criticism of the films from critics.
>It's different so it's good!
Not how this works
No its cool so its good. Objectively cool.
If you think random triangles and incoherent, amateurish videography are cool I guess
>incoherent, amateurish videography
you can't just slap random terms to any comment and expect to be taken seriously
The camera shakes around randomly and he can't keep the characters in frame. Sorry but your precious Bay is a terrible filmmaker
Certain anime pull similar shit nowadays. It's done by people who are bad with choreo or don't bother with it since shaking and moronic camera jumps look like epic movement to idiots. The truth is that it's just frantic, nonsensical rushing and jumping and it's too fast for some people to realise that the action scenes themselves are shit. Same with bad CGI scenes and color filters/darkening.
i'm sure you aren't lying and just writting any bullshit argument you saw someone else make, but i'm going to have to ask for an example, and to explain why what you say is bad/amateurish/incoherent
>Baytard can't fricking read
Surprise surprise
I swear these shots just have a sort of eternal energy to them that just hasn't been replicated anywhere else since. ILM 3dgays were fricking legends working on these movies. Like I just look at something like this and still find myself in disbelief it was brought to life on the big screen.
I don't get that feeling from the art style in this ONE movie.
Ya know ILM animated One?
>ILM animated One
I refuse to believe this, I thought they left after Bumblebee and that someone else did the VFX for ROTB (which is why it didn't turn out so good).
Rise was done by WETA and some company called Moving Picture Company.
But ILM came back to animate One.
>WETA
I figured It'd be WETA but they can do better. I suppose this also explains why they couldn't re-use ILM assets from the Bee movie. There had to be some production frickupery going on for the CG to be in the "it looks like we can notice they fricked up somehow" territory.
>But ILM came back to animate One
>It's real
Fricking hell. To think we used to have the same people who did shit like create planet Cybertron for WFC working at Blur Studio and then ILM for DOTM to whatever we have now taking orders from whatever the current execs is depressing. I wonder what guys like Jamie are doing now and if they're still involved or not. He used to post stuff and give background explanations on Deviantart.
I volunteer. Gonna give those fanboys a dicking that’s more than meets the eye
Oof and yikes if you don't like this corporate product you're an incel neckbeard
Was the Dungeons & Dragons movie an MCU quipfest? Because that film was fantastic.
This looks good actually. A prequel about Megatron in particular - if this becomes a trilogy or longer -; these movies could do what the Star Wars prequel trilogy fricked up and tell and actually GOOD story about how somebody becomes a fascist/how fascism comes into power.
>A prequel about Megatron in particular
it looks like a dumpsterfire, the shitty Prime prequel comics show a better Megs origin, even the fricking IDW pozzed comics
Megatron Origin was long before IDW's pozzed days
It started even earlier as a Dreamwave script
>Was the Dungeons & Dragons movie an MCU quipfest?
It was but it was genuinely funny. The MCU formula done right.
Funny you say that because the directors wrote Spider-Man:Homecoming
Homecoming is alright
Both of those movies had jokes (and apparently every joke is a quip now), but those movies also allowed for (family friendly) serious moments. Moments without a joke interrupting the tension or drama. More importantly, though, was they didn't have any jokes where they painfully described what just happened on screen. Bonus points if it's in an obnoxious voice. That is the MCU-Whedon shit that people hate.
When the D&D trailer came out I saw similar reactions to this, and people ended up liking it anyway. I expect a similar reception to this.
There's a lot of action in the trailer that nobody is talking about because they're so focused on the Bumblebee jokes that it's all they can think about.
It makes sense for DND because the game is supposed to be you farting around with a group of friends.
If you said that in front of a D&D nerd, they'd get upset and tell you all about the deep lore and serious shit going on in the kingdom. Same way a D&D nerd saying Transformers is supposed to be funny would receive a hostile response from anyone who knows of Transformers lore.
Transformers is about warfare and resource scarcity.
Transformers is about how kids wanna buy cool robot toys and cool car toys
>If you said that in front of a D&D nerd, they'd get upset and tell you all about the deep lore and serious shit going on in the kingdom.
>He thinks nerds who play D&D stick to one consistent set of lore
No two tables stick to the same shit. It really is just farting around with a group of friends, and most players will be really open about that. It's the main appeal of the hobby.
Airachnid?
Also these three.
Did I see Prime Vehicon drones and Quintessons too? Was that Alpha Trion or Amalgamous Prime?
Alpha Trion. Also maybe a corpse of Shockwave's Fursona.
Everyone is here
Looks like Kup on the top left?
How are these graphics from a modern blockbuster movie? This looks like a game from the 00s.
I don't follow cinema shit since the late 00s anymore, is it normal for CGI to look as bad?
Nah, ILM just always sucked at getting visual appeal right for animated movies. Rango was their only movie that looked good and only because being grotesque was part of it's visual design. Everything else they've done has this "the guys making it clearly don't get cartoons" feel.
Yeah, I can't fricking believe ILM is working on this. This looks like something a young guy with Blender and unlimited time could create. How is this shit $110 million? Where did that money go?
This Soundwave looks good. Better than the Reactivate one, anyway.
Yes D&D was gaurdians of the galaxy incarnate, but is still enjoyable just like the last gaurdians movie
Your fault for caring about transformers
this, TF died in 2015 with TF Prime
Wrong
It died with Transformers Fall of Cybertron.
Wrong
it died with Transformers Animated
Wrong
it died
Cyberverse is good
I liked it
Didn’t people hate the Netflix show that was pretty much the same thing without quips?
The Netflix show was nothing like the the game. In the games you see the war at its fever pitch; huge battles raging all over the planet, the brutality of Decpticons, how certain characters are recruited, and ETC. The Netflix show was more in line with FoC, but still different.
QUIPS EXISTED BEFORE THE MCU
But the difference is they were actually funny.
But the thing is the milennials writing today grew up on Buffy and Dr. Who and Star Trek Generations. And they never heard a good honest joke in their life. Slapstick doesn't always have to beat you over the head. It can be situational. This scene from Joker was very funny despite being completely opposite to what you should be feeling, which is scared. The whole movie is like that. You don't have to announce that you WON'T slip on a banana peel before slipping on three banana peels. They think "and then the opposite happens" is a funny set up and punchline. They think being snarky and rude is clever. And then they wonder why my generation laughs at shit like skibidi toilet.
Did you seriously just use Joker 2019 as an example of modern writing
I ised as an example of good comedy. It was a bit of a non sequitor but the entire movie can have some good comedic moments from basic slapstic
>like Arthur slamming headfirst into a closed glass door
or humourous writing
>but sweetie... don't you need to be funny to be a comedian?
Joker was not funny.
it most definetly was. You just didnt get it
>did you seriously just use [modern writing] as an example of modern writing?
Underageb&
>But the thing is the milennials writing today grew up on Buffy and Dr. Who and Star Trek Generations. And they never heard a good honest joke in their life. Slapstick doesn't always have to beat you over the head. It can be situational.
Sorry anon Zack Snyder suck
I’m not saying the user you’re responding to is entirely accurate but why do you have to bring Snyder into this?
I swear to god, you people supposedly hate him and yet you can’t stop mentioning him— something will have almost nothing to do with him and you’ll still bring him up.
Even those that like his films don’t mention him as much.
Can’t you just leave him out of random conversations for once holy shit
Is Buffy really that outdated?
The show is 27 years old anon.
>Aint a cheeky c**t?
The people replying to you are being homosexuals (imagine my suprise), so I'll actually go to bat for you here. I saw this in the theater and the audience's reaction to the panicked midget's attempts were amazing. I'd always read about "strangled laughter" in books, but hearing it is something else. People viscerally laughed and then realized what they were laughing at and it died in their throats. That was some good shit.
Joker was legit a really funny movie. It's a shame that the movie has a bit of a bad reputation now because of normalgays but I thought it was a nicely written movie
>milennials writing today grew up on Buffy and Dr. Who and Star Trek Generations.
it's so funny hearing zoomers talk about Millenials as a core millenial. Star trek Generations came out when I was 2, dude. Buffy and Star trek were shit older people in their late teens and 20's watched. All the buffy fansites, meetups, whatever, in the late 90's would've been done by Gen Xers. The Doctor Who revival was big for a while but that pittered out in the early 2000's.
the only live action milennials watched was power rangers and the sopranos with our dad, other than that we watched movies from the 60's-80's and current releases as they were in endless repeat cycles.
Never met anyone other than my Dad watching Buffy, Xenna, Smallville or any of those series. In fact i was the weird kid at school watching Angel/24 and asking people about it.
On our teen days we watched Jackass and other nonsense on MTV, and Dr House and Malcolm.
>all that shit about joker's comedy
i never noticed the movie was trying to be dark humor until people point it at me, in fact is everywhere almost on the level of a quipfest. That scene is probably the only ones i can say worked because of Arthur intentionally scaring him, i think it humanize the character, the entire movie is presented as this autist that has troubles understanding reality, but then it's shown perfectly aware of what he is doing.
No shit, just like how slasher movies existed before Halloween, but it was what popularized endless imitators because it's what ruled the zeitgeist for years. Joss Whedon is basically Patient Zero.
Reminder trailers always cherrypick the most comedic moments of movies to promote it to the kiddies even when the movie is good.
The director already said it doesn't represent the whole film
Are we still doing this
>Guy! We haven't seen the whole show, Starfire is probably going to be orange and not some normal looking black girl!
shit again in 2024?
Your example and this have nothing to do with each other. What the frick are you even talking about Starfire.
Lurk more obvious newbie
Holy fricking underage zoomershit
>no response
I accept your concession
Then make another trailer thats better, homosexual.
>trailer don’t represent the film
Then what’s the point of a trailer
>marketing
And marketing what? What the buyer wants to pay for. What the general idea of the film is gonna be about
The point of trailers is to get morons to buy tickets.
It comes off as a kid trailer which it does need too if it wants a fresh audience.
>Then what’s the point of a trailer
To make normies happy
Normies love comedy
Yeah, it's pretty lame. I bet it's gonna make hunereds of millions if not over a thousand million, though.
If the market rejects it, then and only then it's a faiIure. I really don't like the tone and the comedy, but I'm not gonna be the guardian of the narrative integrity of Transformers, which is a toyline and a cartoon that served as advertising for said toyline.
Of course the Transformers movie was gonna be like this, after the most recent TMNT movie did so well all of them are gonna have that kind of humor and dialogue.
If the market embraces it, well... Sorry, but welcome to a world that's no longer for you. They don't have you in mind and you're only gonna become less relevant.
At least they didn't make the female one ugly. You know they would have uglify her, but couldn't because the designs are limited. She's gonna be the one with a bossy and "correct" attitude in a millenial kinda way, though. So, be ready for that cringe.
>did so well
It didn't do well at all, nobody cares about Mutant Mayhem shit.
Dude its so self aware!
>https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_timeline
>The Big Bang creates the universe as we know it. The protons, neutrons, and electrons that will eventually compose Transformers are formed, ruining it forever. A Thursday.
It's nice to know that Transformers "fans" are honest enough to admit that pleasing them was never going to be possible.
Transformers have always been moronic. This movie is just moronic in the current style.
Test.
-ies
Ooohh right in the deceptiballs
AUTOBALLZ ROLL OUT
I hate everything about this trailer. I'll stick with the current comic run thank you
Oh, no!
>oh no, quips in my transformers
I think people are complaining that the humor is 2024 style.
Which is moronic, because it IS the year 2024. I agree that this generation has a bad, bad sense of humor, but to actually complain is to yell at clouds.
....why is Megatron walking on all fours like an animal?
it's funny
it's just a bad trailer is all
>it's funny
I know, I'm just confused and amused at the same time.
It's an intrinsically goofy concept, gays. Robots that transform and are aliens? That's silly.
Don't be autistic, don't take this shit seriously.
I only kinda sorta know about Transformers through cultural osmosis and an Optimus Prime toy I had as a kid that came with a DVD of some short movie.
I like how this looks, what's wrong with it?
Some people think Transformers has to be 100% serious business.
Fair enough, were the old shows super serious? What about Transformers Animated?
I haven't really watched any of them but Animated always seemed to be pretty lighthearted, and I thought the fandom liked that, is the franchise usually just super serious overall?
I'll admit I didn't exactly love the jokes, but I also didn't hate them, I can live with them just fine, I think the animation looks good and the plot looks kinda interesting.
>Fair enough, were the old shows super serious?
Not really, I'd say the only really serious shows were like, the later half of Beast Wars, Beast Machines and Prime. And the parts of the 86 movie where Hasbro is getting rid of old product (they didn't think people would care).
I'd say Animated is pretty lighthearted but has serious moments. I think this will probably lean towards that direction as well.
Why do people get so pissed when this is just how animated movie trailers work?
At this point it's all just par for the course. Just boring sludge using popular IPs and trying to jam everything that was popular 5 years ago in.
I get that big studios have a hard time bucking trends, but why are all of them headed by such single mindedly stupid execs that don't even know how to try?
I don't like this Megatron. I appreciate the black helmet but that's about it. He is between a joke and a clueless grumpy friend. He isn't the kind of character that can evolve into a strategic tyrant by going down a bad path. I think the writers set an unnecessary challenge for themselves.
I kinda get the feeling they're aping Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship from Attack of the Clones here, especially with:
>"If we survive this, I'm going to KILL YOU"
That very much felt along the lines of "That boy will be the death of me" (especially since Megatron has killed Prime before)
>Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship
They felt more like protagonists in a buddy film to me.
>"If we survive this, I'm going to KILL YOU"
That was one of the jokes I liked. It is ominous from our point of view but both characters say it lightly. It reflects that they're carefree and inexperienced.
Orion came off to me like the basis for his future self is present and that he will naturally evolve into Optimus as he goes through sobering experiences. Megatron on the other hand doesn't feel like he could develop megalomania or a powerful intellect by being scarred or by being forced to adapt to situations. I think War Within handled him the best out of all tf stories so far.
Tbh this i agree op, usually megs is either serious and quipical like g1 or rid, or death serious like animated, prime or movies. Technically a tragic butthole in idw. So this take on him being a run of the mill guy kinda reminds me of that prime from idw who went from a sweel guy to a psichopath. Also its cool that zeta prime is there.
Tbh hes the only guy in the team to both seem pissed at the current state of things and also the one that is serious all the time. He acts like an autistic rebellious teen. Orion on the other hand is taking everything so easy that i can see megatron getting tired of his shit and then grow into current megs
>He is between a joke and a clueless grumpy friend.
According to what? He's the only one aware of the danger of their adventure and angry about the situation everyone puts him in. He and Alita are not quipping in the trailer.
Think of this as Megatrons younger days before he turns into a billains.
oh.. so that TMNT movie wasn't just a one time thing... this will be tone of all the movies now huh? Can't wait for GI Joe's one
>YOOOO JOEEEE-- uhhhh You guys aren't gonna do it with me?
>We don't do that
>I mean-
>We've NEVER done that!
>... Snake eyes?
>*muted shrug*
>*muted shrug*
he'll be a wise cracking motor mouth as a joke for how he goes mute later, just like that's the joke about Bumblebee in this movie
you know what? Ooze DOES have a better ring to it.
I wish that's what the GI Joe movie will be like. Instead it will be the most dreadful boring and serious movie ever, with like 5 moments of comedy in the middle of mindless action.
maybe this is hasbro's plan to devalue public perception of transformers to force viewers into watching those awful gi joe movies because is "more realistic mature".
transformers is for kids anon
so is gi joe, what does that have to do with anything? kids love dark serious shit.
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This will work animated
Reminds me of the shenanigans Lady Joes had to be involved with
Yeah, I hope they tone it down before we get to TMNT levels of one-liners and Self-parody. But they'll probably get Seth Rogan as a producer for everything.
the humour isn't the problem, the characterization is the problem. neither of these characters act or talk like anything but quirky millenials, or how bad script writers think quirky millenials talk.
WAKE UP IN THE MORNING FEELING LIKE P DIDDY
Retconing orion being the go getter while megatron being the 'coward'
Might be trailer misdirection since the Cinemacon footage showed Megatron eager to do something that Orion objects to, but goes through with it anyway
Cowards are evil.
not a retcon if it's a different universe
There is no real concrete continuity in the movies
They’re just loosely connected
...no, there's pretty concrete connections and separations.
Bayverse is 07, ROTF, DOTM, AOE, and TLK.
Beeverse is Bumblebee and ROTB.
Oneverse(?) is One.
You need to rewatch the movies, each one retcons the previous with each subsequent “ancient evil awakening”
>They’re just loosely connected
No one actually believes that lol
The mentality killing IPs
Transformers has had separate universes since the very goddamn beginning, you stupid frick.
Am i the only one that feels the mivie is trying to do much? We know this is the rise of the decepticons but the quintessons are literally there as a threat. We know have 2 threats and the whole thing that optimus and megs drift apart. How the frick will they cram all of that in one movie? That or this shit is going for trilogy shit.
They've daid they hope it becomes a trilogy. From the trailer, I think they won't really deal with the schism beetween OP and Megs and instead they'll save it for the sequel, will this film centers on the rebellion against the Quintessons and jst plant the seeds for Megatron's turn.
>waiting for a trilogy for shit to get good
wew
I don’t think the decepticons will be a threat in the movie
To me it seems either Gurren Lagann or bugs life
The decepticons will form after the story
Fricking yikes
Ahhh cool. Optimus Prime lips. We've come full circle, bros
Orion Pax lips. That's not Optimus yet.
Arcee's head is shaped funny.
Because that's not Arcee, that's Elita-1.
Why the frick is Bumblebee there? Prime, Megatron, and Elita-1 are actual accepted pre-war Transformers. Bumblebee is the little homosexual who came along centuries later. Yeah, I know the audience recognizes him, but making him Prime's equal is fricking bullshit.
>Why the frick is Bumblebee there?
$$$$$$
Forced marketing honestly
People have been wanting Bumblebee to die since TFP for a reason
Putting Bee into the Age of Wrath when he was literally part of the final generation born around the time of the war just exposes how forced and nonsensical this is
Why couldn't they give us someone more fitting like Ratchet instead
He's been a big brand name since the first movie back in '07.
>Prime, Megatron, and Elita-1 are actual accepted pre-war Transformers. Bumblebee is the little homosexual who came along centuries later.
>Prime, Megatron, and Elita-1 are actual accepted pre-war Transformers. Bumblebee is the little homosexual who came along centuries later.
Says who? This is a new universe. They can do what they want with it.
Transformers ages are such bullshit that honestly it doesn't bother me, he could easily still be younger than them and still be there.
Honestly, I'm more bothered that they're not using Airiel as Elita's pre-t-cog name.
They can't use that name on toys, so why bother using it in the movie?
I hope the faceplate will be permanent on Optimus instead of a battle mask.
homietron
That is all.
>megatron's the black guy
Megatron is a gat.
>gaygets like OP seethe over based quips
>Basedwood makes even more movies with them
#BestTimeLine. How many years of whiny gaygets like OP has it been already?
How do I get into Transformers?
I started with cyberverse and continued with all g1 This was just last year
All chapters are on YouTube
The good thing about cyberverse is that it is a very good summary for those who don't know anything about transformers, it doesn't require having seen anything else
learn from the turtles and make orion talk like an idiot.
I thought this was going to be a netflix series. holy crap an animated TF movie in 2024. I expect it to flop.
>bumblebee
why? he should be a baby or not exist yet.
expect elita to say something woke about female transformers
I saw everyone in the YouTube comments already revving up the defense force, pretty funny shit
Half of them were like "I know a lot of people won't like this, but" or "People will be getting angry about this, but"
I unironically saw more defense comments than any one complaining about it.
Is this how you people have been conditioned to behave now?
What, is the incel army gonna come swoop in with Delta Force and gun you all down? So you have to run interference preemptively?
The only place I see anything particularly negative about it is here.
That being said, I understand Bumblee being the wacky quip guy, but do all of them have to do that? Even the more jokey Transformers series don't do that. Just look at Animated as an example. How often do you see Optimus or Prowl quipping to each other? Not very much from what I recall.
Ironically, this reminds me a lot more of the Japanese dubs of Transformers where they just make everything into a joke and the characters make laser noises when they fight, including the usually serious ones.
As your pic shows it's why everyone gets defensive, most new things attempted in Transformers gets met with scorn when first announced. When Beast Wars unveiled the hardcore fans were reeeing it wasn't G1, when Animated was showcased the hardcore fans were reeeing it wasn't G1. And While I think most of them are gone one way or another 40 years later I feel a lot of older fans still recall the knee jerk reactions to "old thing good new thing bad"
>but do all of them have to do that?
Are they though? I think people are just confusing anything comical with the word quip. Like G1 Dinobots would be accused of being a quipfest in this year.
Blow it out your ass.
>but do all of them have to do that?
They aren’t. Only Bumblebee. People think comedic interactions = quips now.
You're forgetting this is YouTube, Hasbro probably has their bot defense force in full capacity trying to drown out negative reactions
>Hasbro probably has their bot defense force in full capacity trying to drown out negative reactions
There's no doubt about it. Compare the comment sections from last night to right now and see how "sanitized" they've become. It's a classic strategy of these channels since 2016.
can you green text the quips from the trailer?
Depends on your definition of a quip. For me, I did not hear any. Pax and Megs just acted like its a buddy comedy.
HQ screenshots for anyone who cares.
Beautiful film
Is that fricking deathsaurus?
Sentinel Prime (Jon Hamm)
Weird how he has deathsaurus wings
Are we sure on that? Sentinel Prime leaks have been for Orange toys
Considering he usually is orange, I think you’re right
And I can’t think of a single other transformer with the same wings
He's also been blue before. And I could easily see Sentinel being used as a puppet ruler by the Quints.
We dont know if the blue guy is a “puppet” he could just be the leader of those grey seekers.
It's kind of a guess, but we know Sentinel is in the movie and the blue guy looks important enough.
And him being some sort of antagonist tracks with a lot of modern Sentinel Primes being antagonists of some kind.
wasn't the last important Sentinel Prime version the IDW 2 one who is far away from being an antagonist
I still think it’s this guy
I bet it’s going to be a flashback with alpha trion
Nah that's Shockwave's fursona.
He's got a different head, chest and his wings seem to be silver rather than gold.
Yes, curtesy of Quintessons corruption/upgrade
Take his T-Cog out and install Breast force
Im not sure getting groped by a squid counts as important, the director already said their be deep cuts, I don't think they make Sentinel look like Deathsaurus and give him the same body all the grey jet guys have. I think at best he is just going to be some grunt commander that's their to tell the grey seekers what to do and at worse he is just going to be killed in that scene to show how serious the threat is.
> and the blue guy looks important enough
>entire model is recycled parts from other units in the movie
>important
The Warden at the start of the trailer had more unique parts than this guy.
>And I could easily see Sentinel being used as a puppet ruler by the Quints
That's basically the lore. They install him as a puppet ruler, he eventually revolts and kicks them off Cybertron so hard they leave behind most of their stuff in the ensuing panic. Afterwards that's used to fuel interstellar expansion, Cybertron becomes a powerful empire and experiences a golden age of science and technology. After a rust plague breaks out the space exploration, cyberforming, and colonization efforts were abandoned to contain the spread with the destruction of the space bridges. They retreat inwards and become decadent, Sentinel implementing a caste system to try and micromanage and prioritize efficiency when constrainted to their single planet. This of course sows the seeds for the eventual civil war as with age he leaves most of the governing to the corrupt senate and self-interested magnates.
Perhaps we could get lucky and he works like animated Longarm/Shockwave and he has two robot modes, one for the populace of Cybertron and one for the quints.
Codenames have nothing to do with the actual content of the product
>tfw twitter early screen shitters praised it as the "best looking CGI of the year" but it looks like an early PS3 game at best
Frick even WfC (game) looked better and the games are ages old. This is at best on the level of ES which is a tv show, how comes?
>You potentially have only one chance to go for the goldmine that is the pre-Civil War era
This. I honestly ever fricking wanted a movie about that time specifically because of how much a fan I am of that. I knew they would turn it to shit and since the mass only watches movies this will become the "definitive" version of the fandom since nobody reads comics or watches older cartoons anymore. I bet we won't even get any pre-war robots aside from some shitty OC Sentinel. Biggest amount of wasted chance in ages. I already know that 1/3 of the movie will be nothing but cringe Bee jokes and the rest is childish drama. You can't thematize oppression and war if it has to be a quirky christian toddler story.
Will Megs and Optimus finally kiss?
I liked it. What's wrong with it? I'm guessing Megs isn't a slave anymore and Pax isn't a white collar clerk or whatever. No caste system so what started the war now? Quitesons seem to be the enemy.
Too much emphasis on the comedy.
Even though the stuff with Megatron will be serious, hence him being not as prominent compared to Bee, it’s the jokes are kinda overwhelming
I think that's the fault of the trailer.
>What's wrong with it?
It's not dark or political enough for us mature transformers fans (homosexuals who latched onto the dumb deception dicksucking bs backstory)
>people actually liked the functionalism backstory
It harkons back to classic Sci-Fi and world history. It's fitting for a civilization as ancient as Cybertron's. Artificial population control is something they naturally progress towards after eons, especially a Kardashev Type-2 civilization hosting an interplanetary and interstellar empire that puts the likes of Krypton to shame.
You know what's funny, it seems that either Paramount or Youtube are deleting most if not all the negative comments about the movie from their video. Which is unsurprising, studios have been doing this for years now.
I just checked back after last night to the 20-30 or so chains that I was involved in and pretty much all of them are gone. I had a feeling I had a feeling I should have kept those tabs open to finish screenshotting instead of shutting down for the night.
Functionism is an interesting enough concept to throw out from time to time because it helps to characterise Transformer society and differ it from our own in a way that's immediately understood; there's no war, but there's also tremendous persecution due to an inflexible caste system. That's a good way to stoke societal unease until it reaches a tipping point.
My main objections to idea mostly stem from Transformers changing bodies/alt modes like we change socks, across not just prior continuities but IDW as well. Felt as though it was Roberts willfully misunderstanding that the old bios having "function" on them denoted "military role" and not a literal built-only-for-this function.
It works when they are enslaved
>Transformers changing bodies/alt modes like we change socks
Does that not make perfect sense for a machine civilization bases on silicon, plasma, and programmable matter though?
It does. Which is why "Functionism" being this ubiquitous, inescapable philosophy doesn't hold water. A truck transformer can opt to reformat into a jet without any problems or threat to his wellbeing.
But, if you squint to ignore that, it's still an interesting idea.
>A truck transformer can opt to reformat into a jet without any problems or threat to his wellbeing.
Depends on the rules of what needs to happen for that change to occur. These series have been vague and depending on lore transformation cogs can wear out and need replacement.
To expand on anon's though consider for a moment how much status of all types matter in our society from your genetics to what you own it effects how others look at treat you, from your height, to you face, to what car you drive, to what clothes you wear, all of that reflects your status and power in the world. Now picture a society where that all gets mixed into one, where your height and positions are the same thing, where you turn into both the clothes and the car, this would have wild effects on how social economics would work and would go to one extreme or another due to how much of that would just accelerate evolutionary norms and behavioral.
... Bruh, did you not actually read the IDW comics? Functionism is a form of fascism. It's inherently a bad thing, and it's portrayed as such.
What gave you the impression I didn't? When I say it's "good" I'm talking about it as a writing concept that gives context to Transformers society, not approving of a draconian caste system.
And a problem with it as a writing tool is that Transformers continuities (including IDW itself) have portrayed characters as able to swap their alt modes without much hassle, which pokes holes in why functionism (re: the persecution of someone being derived from their alt mode) can be upheld. You kind of have to agree to ignore that precedent in order to explore the concept and its consequences in a story.
>moronic secondaries once again shitting up the fandom
If these idiots ever actually watched their precious geewun, they'd fricking hate it.
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Seems like a friendly discussion, what’s gotten up your ass?
He needs something to hate that isn’t himself. He needs others as miserable as he is everyday.
Im enjoying how hard one anon here is trying to stir the pot but just isn’t getting any bite.
>moronic secondary's
Yes, the comments in the YouTube videos are quite disheartening. Especially since they're deleting anything to the contrary.
Frick you homosexual Op.
I liked it. In fact I look forward to it! It looks fun.
>Fun
And that's the problem, not necessarily because it's fun, but it's disingenuous fun. It's a skinner box that gaslights you into having fun. It has no thematic thread weave, it is a parasite of the dialectic, wrought with dopaminergic but dyslogistic entropy.
>disingenuous fun
>gaslights you into having fun
Is the new version of that "forced soul" meme? The actual FRICK are you talking about, homie?
It's like if you were to put a child in a simulation body and asked them to murder some people, and gave heroine injections as a reward after each time they do it and being congratulated for it.
I just think people overreacted to the trailer. Especially since, in a kinda fricked up way, animated movie trailers try to make every movie look the same.
No, people aren't being harsh enough on this movie. You potentially have only one chance to go for the goldmine that is the pre-Civil War era and the Civil War era and put it onto the big screen and they frick it up with Earthspark kiddieshit and MCU-tier tone deafness. They are SQUANDERING a golden opportunity to create true cinema.
What they have done is tantamount to sacrilege of the highest order.
It's more underwhelming than anything.
>badassitron
Execute the "writers" immediately. People lambasted nu-Trek for much less than this.
Out of all the lines, that sounds like something Bumblebee would say
Though that makes me wonder why he's even there. I guess they really needed a dedicated comic relief character, but isn't he supposed to be way younger than the rest of them?
Bumblebee wouldn't say that because he's not on Earth. Cybertronians have their own lexicon. They don't use Earth slang. Simple shit like this is now apparently lost on these pathetic excuses for writers. Who even is writing the script for this movie?
If I had to guess, giving them probably way too much credit, they're trying to "adapt" how Cybertronian would sound to people now given the context of English and the equivalent of slang.
But you're right, as in most other works, they have specific terms only they use like I remember them saying skidplate for ass in the past, but I guess the writers couldn't find a way to make that role off the tongue.
>Cybertronians have their own lexicon.
So what, you want them to speak in a language nobody can understand?
Pretty sure they've used Earth slang in other series too.
That's not what that means. Cybertronians have no concepts of Earthly objects or slang. What we hear them speaking about in English is the result of the universal translator being applied by the fourth wall.
That's a skill issue on the writers part.
It's literally one of the most important pieces of Transformers media published.
>Cybertronians have no concepts of Earthly objects or slang.
"Me Grimlock kick butt!"
"Amusing. A booby trap that actually catches boobies."
"What’s the matter, fearless leader? You and Starscream look real geeky!"
Like, the only way I can see that you would 'make it more transformers' is if he wanted to be called Badaftatron instead.
That dialogue was already done on Earth. This was also still early in the series.
>It's literally one of the most important pieces of Transformers media published.
The only thing of importance it did was give designs to the Thirteen that hadn't appeared in anything and a stable roster.
But even that mattered little since the Thirteen introduced in the book are barely relevant.
It was a cute attempt at trying to tie up the brand but this toy product has always had dozens of alternate takes and communities and they would have been much better suited to do a DC thing and just share different universe than try and tie it all up in one.
Serious question: why 13? Where they pull this number?It just muddles down everything.
>We cannot afford to rest on our laurels.
Who is this "we"
>Serious question: why 13? Where they pull this number?
Furman presumably chose it because thirteen has sinister connotations.
The Original Thirteen are actually a really good example of this "definitive history" mindset limiting storytelling; after they became a thing any new continuity was met with people online impatiently waiting for the Thirteen origin to be revealed or dismissing any evidence to the contrary. It all became about checking off boxes rather than experiencing a new take on the property.
Oof, that's just a muck of issues, I feel six would have served the same sinister connotations but even that feels like too much for filler.
>It all became about checking off boxes rather than experiencing a new take on the property.
I think that's what saddens me the most about the fandom is how lost they got in definite tales and stupid shit like that. The MOTU fans seem to really enjoy seeing attempts to reinvent the wheel so long as just core ideas stick (ie He-man vs Skeletor) and the Joe community is even more radical with the story telling part taking just about any wild take so long as everyone has their role and looks like they should. With Transformers fans it just feels like a lot of hissing and screeching from people wanting it to be exactly what their head canon of G1 was.
While there was always a contingent of dedicated whiners, typically new ideas/series were accepted and just added into the overall mix. That hasn't been true since about c. 2010, give or take. These days we can't even have Megatron be something other than gray.
I think Furman threw it into the Ultimate Guide for some reason or another.
A forgotten part is that the 13 wasn't really finalized until recently. Anyone remember Logos Prime?
The roster could fluctuate because aside from The Fallen none of the individual Primes actually mattered. Vector Prime gets to have a dedicated slot because of his prominent role in the Cybertron series, but even him having divine origins is stitched on after the fact (the series proper only ever calls him a guardian of time). I think personally the final straw for me was the idea of a "Megatronus" Prime, which is not only lazy conceptually but also deprives Megatron of his own sense of individuality.
>I think personally the final straw for me was the idea of a "Megatronus" Prime
That idea actually goes waaay back from Beast Wars, where the name "Megatron" comes from the Transformer Bible.
Whilst that's true enough, the idea of an apocalyptic figure named "Megatron" trumps shoddy pseudo Latin. It's just a lazy name and concept.
There is no "final" 13, they can have different members each time they appear.
not including Logos Prime but including Alpha Trion in the 13 was fricking stupid
>It's literally one of the most important pieces of Transformers media published.
Looking at how it's been treated?
No, not really.
the most important piece of Transformers media is the Marvel comics, the Covenant of Primus is just another piece of Transformers media that was relevant for a specific period that eventually got ignored just like Windblade
>Windblade
Where did she GO anyway? For a while it felt like she had a guaranteed spot in the same two dozen characters they regurgitate every line.
>For a while it felt like she had a guaranteed spot in the same two dozen characters they regurgitate every line.
Because... she did. That was the entire point of the character. That's literally why she was made.
Well why did she stop showing up?
Because things change? Are u a dumdum?
She wasn't in Siege/Earthrise/Kingdom because those series were devoted to updating as much of G1-BW as possible that wasn't covered by TR. And Earthspark is doing it's own thing. But she was in RiD15, Cyberverse, and the Machinima Prime wars stuff which is a good mount of media.
And both IDW universes.
I suspect she was replaced with Elita-1 because she was from the original cartoon and they didn't want to bother with Windblade anymore anymore
I wish they would vary the fembots too I am sick of Elita and the spider prostitute as the generic femme fatale.
His point is that the change was reverted.
It's a bad joke and a bad line for sure, but you're wrong about Transformers never using our slang. You've even got guys called "Jazz" (an Earth genre of music) and "Blaster" (80s slang for a boombox) off the top of my head.
That's an apples to oranges comparison.
>Grimlock literally calling himself "badass".
>tone deafness
Transformers really has no set tone for it to be tone deaf for anything.
And I honestly, pre-war cybertron is such an unexplored era that any actual movie/show about it would be dissapointing for some.
>Transformers really has no set tone for it to be tone deaf for anything.
Copout. Also, read the Covenant of Primus as an appetizer to get an idea of what pre-war Cybertron was like. I'll give you a hint, not whatever this clownshow is.
Nobody gives a shit about the Covenant of Primus, anon. I doubt anyone here read it either.
This
It's a generic retcon
It's not a retcon, either. It only applies to one universe.
The idea of the 13th appeared in the Cyberverse cartoon so it no longer only applies to one universe. It's also unfortunately commonly accepted as the canon mythos by alot of people so it is essentially a retcon
No, you dumbfrick, I mean the Covenent of Primus book only applies to the universe it's set in.
OF COURSE other universes can reuse ideas from previous series, but that doesn't mean they're the ACTUAL SAME INSTANCES.
>I doubt anyone here read it either.
I did. I even got the cool little Autobrand holder that makes the transforming noise when you open it.
>Also, read the Covenant of Primus as an appetizer
Ew, no. Next you'll ask me to read the Binder of Revelation.
If you're writing a Transformers story you have to read and be familiar with these books and documents.
Disagree. Whether it's the Ultimate Guide or the Convenant of Primus or the Binder of Revelations. They're always staid and boring to slog through because they try to distill everything down into one homogeneous, inflexible "history" when the strength of the Transformers brand was always its emphasis on reinvention. This attitude would never have allowed room for new ideas like sparks or protoforms, or given us the idea of lost colony worlds, or the mini-cons etc. It's silly to say there's only one way to go about this.
Having said that, this new trailer looks utterly awful, but it's not because the writer/director didn't read a self-important textbook.
You realize a lot of these ideas and concepts date back to the 1980s? They were only refined later on around 2010.
And even in the 1980s there were two contradictory continuities: the Marvel comics and the G1 cartoon. Ideas from both have been taken and remixed and given fresh input or refined into something else entirely. That's the opposite to what stuff like the Covenant of Primus sets out to do, which is to make a "definitive" approach and backstory that only encourages stagnation.
>that only encourages stagnation
Then it is the duty of writers to keep refining and innovating it further for the purposes of storytelling. We cannot afford to rest on our laurels.
>We cannot afford to rest on our laurels.
Between TF Prime, RiD15, Cyberverse and the netflix shows, the writing and world building in Transformers has been rock bottom for about fifteen years or so.
How's Earthspark shaping up?
>How's Earthspark shaping up?
Slowly turning into a show that everyone forgets like New Adventures of He-man, or the 2009 Garfield show
Pity.
Absolute schizo
Absolute non-argument.
I have been wanting for so many years an adaptation of the Megatron - Orion Pax origin story. I wanted it to be serious and show Megatron as D16 the enslaved miner turned gladiator turned revolutionary, with the show becoming darker as it leads into the war for cybertron. Literally just adapt the origin story from Transformers Prime and drag it and the war out by showing what different people are doing during the war. But instead we get this absolute dogshit where they have to constantly make jokes and have ugly designs
Didn’t you just make this same comment with the same image last thread?
yes, it's almost like he just wants to push a narrative and little else
Even if that was true, you see the same comments being posted on all the trailer videos by the same group of people. Frick off with this "whataboutism".
I don't think I've ever posted on this board before
What the frick narrative am I pushing? I thought the TF Prime and WfC origin stories and settings are really cool and have been wanting a well made show about that for years, so I decided to voice my displeasure with this newly announced movie that missed the mark. What "narrative" is that?
>TF Prime and WfC origin stories
Prime is literally just a few shots and a narration. Not really a setting.
WfC is barely an origin story. And while they're fun games I wouldn't really say story in one of those games.
>Megatron as D16 the enslaved miner turned gladiator turned revolutionary, with the show becoming darker as it leads into the war for cybertron
I hate this IDW retcon. His origin in the G1 comics and cartoon is cooler and better.
- Megatron's G1 cartoon origin was "we built an evil leader to lead our evil faction"
- Megatron's origin in the US Marvel comic was... nothing. He had no origin story.
- Megatron's origin in the UK Marvel comics was that he was... a gladiator that rose to power.
- IDW didn't "retcon" Megatron. It's a separate universe, they can do what they want without affecting other stories.
>- Megatron's origin in the US Marvel comic was... nothing. He had no origin story.
>- Megatron's origin in the UK Marvel comics was that he was... a gladiator that rose to power.
Technically they're the same thing.
No, they're not. Marvel US and Marvel UK are different universes. Shut the frick up, Boco.
Personal canon.
To be clear, if you think US and UK are the same, that's YOUR personal canon. They are officially and canonically different universes.
Fair enough.
She was just in Cyberverse. I really wouldn't be surprised if she's in S2 of Earthspark.
they're both separate universes yes but some stuff from the UK comic are canon to the US comic like the Deathbringer story being mentioned in the US comic
being mentioned just generates an offscreen event for that universe whose only confirm events are the ones mentioned.
>- Megatron's G1 cartoon origin was "we built an evil leader to lead our evil faction"
fits much better the class system angle they are going for.
Megatron was literally created to fit a role in society. Optimus represents literal change and transformation.
This
Miner Revolutionary Megatron origin is lame and gay.
Your circuits are loose
The gladiator origin is badass and fits his character, it downgrades his status to have him be just another power hungry puppet
Bayshit already tried that too
megatron is all about deception (heh), he is more than just pure muscle he is a master tactician.
>Your circuits are loose
Grow up
>The gladiator origin is badass and fits his character
I never said I had a problem with this. Only the lame idea of him being a miner and a revolutionary.
>I never said I had a problem with this
You literally did by calling the slave miner to revolutionary backstory "lame" as opposed to the "we built an evil leader to lead your evil faction" backstory
The hell are you telling others to "grow up" suggesting something like that
the Bay origin for Megatron is just taking Cy-Kill's origin from Go-Bots and giving it to Megatron
>general zod and kal-el
I wonder what origin the new Sentinel will have because I would love his origin story from G1 if that Sentinel who was born a slave of the Quintessons and rebelled later was actually Sentinel. That aside I also love his IDW1 and IDW2 backstory. But I bet they will just make him a generic butthole without an own story, probably not even a likeable one like TFA Sent.
Anyone wonder if there's even going to be a passing effort made to flesh out the world of Cybertron in this production as opposed to just winging it with no rhyme or reason?
Closest we ever got to so much as a proper map of Cybertron as a planet or system was the Allspark Almanac stuff and this map from Siege. Been gathering notes so I'm wondering if anything from apocrypha is actually is gonna show up.
Only if it sells well and it's clear that's whats making the brand profits. The reason it never really sticks and/or keeps changing is because it's not having any impact in sales and what not.
I suppose this is something that's way too nerdy for low art products, trying to flesh out Cybertron in such a manner is more up the alley of traditional Science Fiction authors and futurists which is more of what I've been trying to do.
I like the idea of Cybertron being the size of Saturn or at least a mini-Neptune of sorts (given how nothing ever really feels too small for them), but for any realistic depiction there is going to be an upper limit on mass and radius for terrestrial rocky planets. Realistically it might just be only around 2.3 to 2.85 Earth radii. This is without even accounting for possible Super-Mercury worlds unusually rich in metal like Cybertron. Even if we account for terraforming all that metal has to come from somewhere.
If Cybertron is in some sort of triple star system anything similar to Shaula or Lambda Scorpii (this is my preferred candidate since they go to Theta Scorpii in one story at some point which is a close by stars system) then I could see them using starlifting to harvest all that material from rather young and metal rich stars as opposed to ancient metal-poor stars. But then that creates the problem of "how is Cybertron 8-10 gorillion years old" even with the rogue planet shit being thrown in. Because either you don't have enough metal that early on in the universe to form something like Cybertron or you somehow use its ion vents and planetary engines and put it in a system that needs it harvested to then terraform it somehow. Because for some fricking reason one of the writers put it in a star system with 2 B-Type stars (not good for planet formation) and a Protostar.
There's a lot of shit to go through and consolidate to try and come up with a plausible depiction of everyone's favorite machine civilization's home planet in any case especially when trying to do simulations.
>If Cybertron is in some sort of triple star system anything similar to Shaula
Furman once stated this is where the IDW version of Cybertron was situated, but he never actually put it in any of his stories. Earlier works by him for Marvel put it in a fictional star system called Hadean.
>but he never actually put it in any of his stories
Probably because he correctly realized that putting Cybertron in orbit of two B1.5IV stars is fricking moronic and makes no sense. At the same time, we've still seen depictions of Cybertron having multiple luminous bodies in orbit (pic related part of WFC is probably just random sprinkling of detail by the level designers but I'm skeptical because of how much homework they did for that game) and also had the neighboring Scorpius systems namedropped in media.
Hadean seems to be more akin to an M or K type dwarf based off visual depictions and how tightly packed the planets are, and also because the star is said to be around 12 gigayears old. Cybertron however only seems to be around 9-10 gigayears.
It's difficult to find a suitable star for Cybertron in that sector because we need a long living star from early in the universe that also seems to have extraordinarily high metallicity. So in principle, Cybertron might present its own Rare Earth scenario. It could still be possible because as I'm writing this I just discovered a scientific paper from a while back which finds there do exist very metal-rich stars that are older than 10 Gyr which slots in perfectly for Cybertron's age.
https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2001/07/aah2231.pdf
Here's a link to that paper.
Imagine if Cybertron was a megastructure big enough to capture stars, lol.
Admittedly you'd get gravity problems, but that's not that big a deal in Transformers.
>Admittedly you'd get gravity problems, but that's not that big a deal in Transformers.
It's a pretty massive issue when trying to simulate plausible surface gravity from density/composition/mass/radius. Even if most of the planet might be hollow and terraformed, the gravity will be higher than Earth. It's not unlike the situation with Kryptonians, you can see the Cybertronians have the ability to perform much greater acrobatic feats more often than not on Earth in most continuities.
Also here's an Interesting coincidence I found in testing; plucking a Mercury-analogue playing the role of Cybertron into a US simulation with a metal rich K-type star similar to HR 1614 or something with much lower density, and setting the orbital period on that world to around ~400 days (going off BW rotational period too) puts it right inside of the habitable zone, leaning towards the outer edge.
Getting the surface gravity to be within ~10% of Earth however is fricking annoying with a Super-Mercury type object. To get the ~0.475 Earth radii of TMTM Cybertron with that gravity the density has to be around ~6.22kg/cm3 and the mass around 0.245 of Earth with Mercury's composition. That's with radius from density. Granted this is with using Mercury as a template as opposed to trying to come up with something more original but with a metal-rich planet like Cybertron we haven't much to compare it to.
>It's a pretty massive issue when trying to simulate plausible surface gravity from density/composition/mass/radius
Sure, but why would you do that for the franchise Transformers?
Cool info
I HATE safety filters so fricking much
>I suppose this is something that's way too nerdy for low art products
I think it's more of why the audience comes to Transformers. Think about Star Wars, it's just as low brow and yet people got lost in books and games that expanded past the core cast. People wanted to see and read the Old Republic. People wanted see and read what other jobs those bounty hunters in Empire Strikes Back.
But Transformers? By majority they want Autobots vs Deceptions and little else, even the more popular stories that tried get away from this still got steeped in that. It's not bad, but it makes your idea near impossible for the masses to tune in on. They don't give a shit how Soundwave and Blaster met all the little people in their chests, they just want to see a cool music themed fight. They don't care what Kaon was like for Megs, they just care that he smashes Autobots like a warrior would. Hell look at IDW and Skybound, IDW was trying to branch out the world very early on and it wasn't bring in sales, moment they tighten it to just character stories it took off. Skybound started the book like the cartoon and people are eating it up even though it's just robots on earth and little else.
The masses just don't want a Space Opera or Trek. They want a cartoon.
IDW1 starting out with Infiltration in the mode of a spy thriller and IDW2 doing exclusively space bound sci-fi vs. Skybound just doing 1984 again is utterly depressing. The comics were the last bastion of fresh ideas and that's gone now.
>Skybound just doing 1984 again is utterly depressing
And it's selling so well they are doing another reprint of issues 1 - 6 to meet demand. People just want giant robots fighting on earth
Worth pointing out that the moment G1 cartoon went into expanding the universe and doing many more stories on alien planets and what not is when ratings died and the series was canned.
Backstory for the war and visiting alien worlds occurs in season two. It's not until the movie happens that the brand takes its first big suckerpunch to the jaw.
Almost like they killed off all the characters people gave a shit about to sell toys. The movie was awesome but it was pretty blatantly a lethal injection for G1 as a whole.
You say that but GIJoe replaced nearly the entire cast and had DiC of all companies make a new series and it lasted longer than season 3 of Transformers.
I'm not saying it couldn't be a factor but end of the day kids grow up and the new generation wants something novel.
>Backstory for the war
yeah and I didn't bring that up.
>and visiting alien worlds occurs in season two
One of Saturn's moons and a teleportation accident into a child's room. Set pieces that hardly went anywhere,2 episodes out of what? 50+ of season 1 and 2? Even counting your time travel you'll be up to 4 episodes. Nothing like Carnage in C minor, Webworld, The Big Broadcast of 2006, The Face of the Nijika, Call of the Primitives, etc, basically 3/4ths of Season 3 was universe/lore building and kids were tuning out.
They killed less than 10 and the G1 comic slaughtered 23 by issue 5 and it sold great.
There's also Sea Change and The Gambler.
I wouldn't ever deny that the show went harder on the sci-fi trappings in the third season, but that wasn't why things took a downturn. It's because they killed off Optimus and nobody liked Rodimus.
>G1 comic slaughtered 23 by issue 5 and it sold great.
>The main ones are still alive by issue 8
You're not helping youself.
Worth pointing out that they also killed 90% of the original cast in the movie for season 3.
They killed off seven Autobots out of a total of forty-nine.
12.
Brawn, Prowl, Ratchet, Ironhide, Windcharger, Wheeljack, and Optimus Prime. Ultra Magnus technically died, but he's not part of the pre-existing cast and also got a reprieve. Who else?
Wasn't Huffer added to the body count in season 3? I guess that makes 8
Oh, sure. But that's not portrayed in the movie proper.
Mirage, Red Alert and Trailbreaker were planned to die in storyboards.
Also this.
>Mirage, Red Alert and Trailbreaker were planned to die in storyboards.
Great. And then crucially they didn't in the finished work, so don't count towards the total fatalities you pedant.
They never showed up again, so it might as well count.
ill never forgive them for killing of wheeljack. i refuse to put that movie on a pedastal.
Cliffjumper, Shockwave was killed off screen
Cliffjumper wasn't killed in the movie; he escapes with Jazz and Bumblebee along with the rest of the cast through Unicron's eye. Shockwave isn't killed either, offscreen or otherwise.
>Although Shockwave's death was written into the movie's script, it did not make it into the finished film. Decades later, Shockwave's death scene was included in IDW's 20th Anniversary comic adaptation.
Unicron crushes him.
>Although Shockwave's death was written into the movie's script, it did not make it into the finished film.
>it did not make it into the finished film.
So he doesn’t die in the film. Got it.
No, wait, blasts him.
If we count plans that it should also be mentioned that Shockwave was originally going to have Blitzwing's role in Five Faces of Darkness.
Citation needed. I know Blitzwing was meant to star in Starscream's Ghost instead of Octane.
I'll dig it up but I believe it was all those recently released story boards that showed it was meant for Shockwave in part 1 and part 3 at least
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/hasbro-memo-from-1986-asks-to-replace-shockwave-in-the-cartoon-and-add-more-predaking/46784/
there were story boards and old drafts too
Neat! The more you know.
To be real this is why even as a teen I couldn't take transformers seriously, I love it and I have good memories with it but it's just a toy show. One of my friends back then was shitting his pants all the canon changes that Beast Wars/Machines was doing to the lore and I'm thinking 'why are you getting work up on a series that was built around what toys to sell at certain times?' Even now I can't understand why people can't just let go and enjoy what they had and just hope these new shows and movies work for newer generations getting into the brand.
It was at its worst in the 80s because they had so much product to advertise and shift. It's less pronounced in shows with smaller casts.
The IDW comics were in a weird place because when they started there was no Classics/Generations toyline peddling new toys of G1 characters, so there were no modern products to showcase and emphasise. Then over time the comic got eaten alive by stupid comic book events like Combiner Wars to advertise contemporary toys.
I get the issues but to me that's always going to be a thing, this brand was made to sell toys and that is still it's goal. I just can't take anything too seriously and expect things like new toy lines to come in and wreak stories because we are all watching/reading a toy commercial first and foremost.
just about every media you watch is trying to sell you something, when you watch a live action show there's a reason the car models you see are the ones they are.
but that's where this gets dumb is a toy series is way for obvious and by it's nature more intrusive to the story. I feel that's why hardcore fans get so much scorn from the general public.
I've seen more obvious in other media
>I feel that's why hardcore fans get so much scorn from the general public.
I don't think the general public even knows hardcore TF fans exist. People know comic nerds and TrekWars fans, I don't think the general public thinks of transformers as having a fandom, even with the movies. Most people just think of them as disposable disaster action blockbusters. It'd be like them thinking a Twister or Day after tommorow fandom exists, or a magic 8 ball fandom.
It has 8 movies and 6 TV shows, they are aware of hardcore fans
Ae they though ? I never see TF fans joked on like, say, hardcore Star Trek fans. Closest was in clerks II
Mask Singer had a Transformers 40th anniversary event and the jokes were made. All the way back in making of the 2007 Transformers movie the actors and Bay talk about how much Hardcore fans were making it difficult to not circulate news
>say, hardcore Star Trek fans
Where do you even see this anymore? I feel like you are stuck in the 90s, no one even gives a shit about Trek now short of Ecelebrities like RLM, and on that note they have even shat on TF fans back when they watched the first three movies at the same time.
Frick you hasbro. You dont deserve transformers.
anon the people who made those decisions are all gone from Hasbro and/or dead.
You are 100% correct...I just can't help it...
yup, that too, there was a total of 31 changes requested by Hasbro for Season 3 of changing and adding toys - I mean- characters
Wow, kind of a dick move Hasbro.
Japan got it worse where they didn't even get the chance to see the movie before Season 3.
You have to remember that movies used to potentially run for months at a time if they were successful. TFTM didn't end up having a long run, but if it premiered in August it could've potentially run for the rest of the year. So naturally they wanted to have an incentive to watch it.
>Ackually...
They mostly killed off or brushed aside the "main" Autobots and Decepticons for Rodimus' and Galvatron's groups. That's what made the big hole in the season 3 ship.
I'm going to smack down hyperbole like saying "90% of the pre-movie cast were killed off" when it didn't even reach double digits.
>B-but hyperbole!
You're just being pissy for pissy sake, got it.
What crawled up your aft and died?
The portrayal of organic qualities on the surface as well as native fauna brings to mind stuff seen in the G1 cartoon, Beast Wars, and more recently IDW2. It's got potential to be interesting assuming that it's not just window dressing.
Maps of Cybertron don't really matter since each one differs depending on the continuity. Anything we learn about Cybertron in the film will only be relevant to this continuity.
Does feel like they're trying to make it more of a world. Due to Cybertron playing such a bit part in most series the writers are mostly content with showing either big empty metal plains or big metal cities.
I like the look of it
I hope they got more creative with it, because from all the research I've been gathering we have more than enough info to make a full on map of Cybertron complete with the same features as any habitable world might have. The fact that we have a map that allows us to just go into Universe Sandbox and plausibly simulate the system is already big.
We have the info on the nature of its biosphere both on the surface and under the surface, its tectonic activity, rough geographical features, locations of various cities, composition, radius, surface gravity, even atmospherics and stuff like how old the planet and parent star system might be.
I still think it would do justice to at the very least have a G1-esque map of Cybertron like in Siege even if it takes inspiration from Aligned stuff and everything between from BW and Animated. Just as a template.
It's a daunting proposition when the two very first incarnations of Cybertron portray one as the size of Saturn and the other smaller than Earth. Everything after that has been a little more... sensible.
Cybertron was supposed to be smaller than Earth in the movie?
Anon there was mutli-episode arc in season one of the G1 cartoon where Cybertron was right next to Earth. Cartoon Cybertron was always smaller.
It's been over 20 years since I watched this show. I'll take your word for it.
You don't need to "take my word for it", you've been shown THREE different images depicting it. Take the word of the primary sources you've been exposed to. Idiot.
Calm down, babe, it's just cartoons
I'll take your word for it.
It's smaller than Earth in the original series, too. Though there's some debate about whether this shot is supposed to be on the opposite side of the planet.
>the two very first incarnations of Cybertron portray one as the size of Saturn and the other smaller than Earth
The former is cooler but the latter is more probable. Having a terrestrial planet the size of Saturn occur even semi-naturally is just impossible as far based off what I know in physics and astronomy. Your only choices are either a Super-Mercury just under half the radius of Earth or something similar to it or a Super/Mega Earth around 2.35 radii and 5.5-6 Earth masses with Mercury-ish density. MAYBE. That 5.5 to 6 mass increases gravity by around 10% to 10.7m/s2. All things otherwise being equal to Mercury with radius from density in this sim. Which basically confirms what I already suspected here from past notes and observations.
Even if you factor in something with the density/composition of Mars entering the hypothetical Mega-Earth class with around 5-10 Earth masses and around ~3 Earth Radii you still need a stupidly low density like ~1-2g/cm3. Nevermind a 7-9x radii world comparable to Saturn, you'd need a mass similar to 0.175 Jupiter masses to get similar gravity. Maybe you could still get a Mars-ish density to work with that but I doubt anything like that would ever form even with collisions.
No idea what the moons would be, but I'd imagine they'd be similar in composition to primordial Cybertron or something more like Io and Ganymede regarding Hectate and Artemis (hectate the larger one is around ~0.132 Earth radii according to TFTM, Artemis at 0.085). Using Mercury density to dictate this radius would result in a 0.00226 Earth mass and 0.000648 Earth masses respectively for these satellites. If orbiting under the Mega/Super Earth model, part of me suspects Artemis (despite being further out) might end up getting torn apart by the tidal forces of the planet for all I know if it orbits close like Hectate. One thing is certain, Cybertron would get pretty stellar total eclipses.
I need to sleep.
>tfw solving Cybertron's plausibility is just as big of a headache as trying to solve actual exoplanets
I prefer if they leave it vague, or just roll with the fact that in some continuities it is the size of Saturn.
No. IDW2 was the closest, we even learned a few tidbits about Tarn (the city), but it ended soon. I would kill for comic or cartoon that gave a shit about the world and was willing to flesh out the other city states and their respective cultures. Kaon is the only one that was somewhat relevant but only in the comics too (forgot everything about the cartoons). And some of the PC games.
I have no interest in transformers but Hasbro does indeed turn everything they touch to shit
This is weirdly giving off Earthspark prequel vibes rather than being its own distinct thing.
>muh FALL OF CYBERTRON
stfu, that shit was boring as hell.
stfu, you're boring as hell
I've seen people complaining about the faces, which really doesn't make sense to me. They're just the G1 cartoon faces, but 3D-ified.
>3DPD
They hard look similar and look completely worse are you blind?
ironic
3D isn't 2D, overrendering something that works well in 2D isn't going to always be pretty.
How odd is that Alex Ross out of all people become known as the Gatchaman artists due to ADV and Diskotek using his art for their releases, but no one gives a shit about the real man who designed these heroes, Yoshitaka Amano, who started at Tatsunoko
>no one gives a shit about the real man who designed these heroes, Yoshitaka Amano
bro Amano has museum exhibits and thousand dollar statues made of his art, he's not exactly forgotten. Hell even to make it Cinemaphile relevant, he's done art for DC and Marvel within the last couple years.
If you mean with Gatchaman specifically, it's probably because the final art is so far from how his art is expected to look.
I for one think they look great, but I'm no Transformer superfan, so I dunno about the consensus.
It's 3DPDified. It should have stayed animelike. That aside I always wanted to punch G1 Orion for his stupid face and androidlook.
Also frick those damn pupils and frick TFP that started all these shitty trends.
Lots of Beast Wars characters have pupils.
The faces look good, it’s probably just the eyes being like that, which makes them look off to some people
>actually the original is bad so its okay that this new reboot is bad
we still doing this shit after DMC and Lady Ghostbusters?
From an interview with the director
>COPY PASTING FALL OF CYBERTRON WAS SO FRICKING HARD?
Have we reached a point where the WFC games are remembered as some high water mark rather than pedestrian 2010s boilerplate where everyone never stops yelling? The gunplay was a lot of fun, I'll grant you, but it was always disposable.
We reached the point where kids who grew up with those games and prime now post online
It is a 40 year old brand. Hell, 12yo kids that grew up with Cyberverse are old enough now to post here.
The new origin story for the Dinobots Highmoon created for Fall of Cybertron was actually pretty good.
Prefer it a lot more than the ol' origin story of Dinobots.
I disagree because it was a dude seeing a bid outside and putting wax wings on his kid to see if he could fly.
>Prefer it a lot more than the ol' origin story of Dinobots.
Which one? There were two back in the day.
four if you count the old kids books.
>Prefer it a lot more than the ol' origin story of Dinobots.
The Marvel days did it best where they're just a team of hardened commandos who were reactivated to fight Shockwave. Anything more than that is needless fluff.
I like the original because it's just Wheeljack and Ratchet before realizing how fricking insane Wheeljack is deciding to just play God in a single day after seeing some dinosaur fossils
Nobody's talking about the gameplay dumas.
Geez, you guys need to relax.
This entire thread is one giant mid-life crisis
I think it's just one or two anons, everyone else seems pretty chilled with it
I wager it'll be a joke in the film and will be used as a reason he changes his name.
>muh mid-life crisis
>muh nostalgia
Meanwhile the people criticizing this goyslop are likely in the 18-25 demographic.
This lol. It's Prime/WFC kids having a crisis over the fact that there hasn't been media like what they grew up with.
There's absolutely some 48 year olds(Like CreepyThinMan, Fact!) who are still seething from the Bay movies and BW 30 years ago, too, but we've reached the point where the 2010 generation of fans are what 80's kids were on 90's usenet boards.
Wait so if Megatron is going by D-16 and Bumblebee ALSO has a serial number that they shorten to Bee do we have two characters called "Bee" and "Dee"?
sure why not
Fishburne doing a good Cullen impression.
Hemsworth is pretty good too, but I'm not feeling him atm.
World building was never what brought people to the brand.
Says you.
Nah he's right, ask literally any other TFgay about why they got into the franchise, the core premise of car robots fighting each other will always be the answer you'll get, no sane motherfricker gives a shit about how cybertronians handle marriages or if they have their own form of trooning out or not
Will we finally see this scene rendered in glorious 3D?!
You're very naive if you believe the movie will be anything like MO. Agree that it had some top tier scenes, but we won't see any of this in a movie that is advertised as sanitized wacky shit that catholic helicopter mothers can watch with their kid.
It makes me appreciate his murder in Skybound and his characterization in Earthspark even more. Hell I don't even like ES, but Bee is the one good thing about it.
>catholic helicopter mothers
Are you in a safe place? Are the Christian boogeymen in the room with you right now?
>Cinemaphilemblr once again rushing to defend something that is obviously shit
>rushing to judgment
>homosexual gets filtered by media trope #287: quips and celebrity voice casting
have a nice day.
on a scale of 1 to 10, how "robotic" do you like your transformers to be?
"0" being robots with ghosts inhabiting it, and a "10" being bog-standard living creatures with souls and shit who just so happens to have metal & non-organic body parts.
I like them the most as organetic cybernisms. There are limite to imagining alien life as we know it (imagine how whacky it could get if the restriction on limiting stuff to bipedal humanoids was lifted, especially knowing
attributes for alternate biochemistry) but the dark fantasy and science fiction stuff with a touch of dark comedy works in the favor of the more earthly designs. Some of the initial ideas for Bayshit worked well enough to convey the more alien look but got uncanny fast when they opted for more human looks. At the same time people seem to love character designs like Arcee regardless if its G1 inspired or Bay inspired so there must be something working consistently there. And then you have the elder god shit like Unicron.
Like an eight or a nine.
I like Beast Wars where they did both.
never forget what bumbleegays took from you
in what way did they "take that away"
bay is dead
but that movie still exists. you can still watch it. it wasn't taken away
If I ever become a millionaire I will fund a movie length version of Megatron Origin myself.
>tfw love Megatron Origin (DW)
>also love IDW1's version of it
>also love Megatron's backstory from TFP
>even Megatron's story/stories from G1 and Marvel
>it's somehow the opposite of all of them
Fricking why. How can you watch or read any of the ideas above and think it would be better as le funny nerdy meme story (with additional Bee)? Now it's just another carbon copy of a billion other cartoon movies that already exist and actually look better than ONE.
Megatron actually seems the most reserved of the bunch. Obviously it's all relative, but still.
>also love Megatron's backstory from TFP
Are you genuinely mentally moronic? "Ratchet's voice actor clumsily gives us exposition that the show itself does fricking nothing with because Megatron is just a comically cartoony evil blowhard" is not something worth loving, much less tolerating.
Literally who asked for airachnid to return
Terrible fricking character
I'd take her over Blackarachina.
I'd kill you if I could
Yeah, me too.
I’d rather Airachnid take the bullet than ruin Blackarachnia. She needs to be a nerd with a funny voice who happens to be hot, but they just use her as a generic badgirl
I would be ok with all of this if Bee wasn't here to zoomer it up.
but no gotta have bee for the chilluns. fricking hell.
>fricking airachnid returns
>still no sign of my homie Jazz
A Jazz character would have been a perfect 5th slot for the team.
For me personally, I want a continuity with a distinct lineage of primes. None of that 13 shit. There's already Nova, Zeta, and Sentinel. Just come up with cooler ones than shit like Guardian Prime of Nominus.
if it was up to me there'd be a lot of primes, not just 1. Prime is a title (and an indication that they have a Prime module, like in the original Marvel bio for Optimus.)
Optimus Prime isn't the only Prime, he's just the last one left.
Transformers is trying to move away from the seriousness of the Bay era and back into its sillier roots. This kind of thing suits the same people who like Bumblebee or RoTB: people who never read the comics, hated Bayformers and only ever knew the cartoons like G1 or any of the more modern ones. You know, how the average person knew the franchise before 2007.
It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's harder to stomach with the kind of dialogue on display.
G1 didn't have reddit quips like this
70% of G1 dialogue is squabbling and nagging at each other while doing wordplay, just like most kids media of that time. You're unironically complaining about a 2024 kids movie featuring dialogue aimed at kids.
>RoTB
are you fricking moronic? Rise of the Bayshit was ENTIRELY tailored to Baygays. They spent the entire marketing season telling people how it was a return to Bay's movie making style and how Bay was still in control of the production.
You morons got what you wanted and it was the worst performing movie in the franchise. NOBODY likes Bayshit. It's toast. You tricked the normies for a year or two into watching garbage but they finally woke up.
also
>if you liked bumblebee you don't like transformers
is insane cope by someobody who only likes the absolute loosest and worst possible adaptation of the franchise.
God I fricking hate baygays so much it's unreal.
Nuh uh bay would've never let Optimus Prime look like a Roblox character, that's how you know he was just taking a backseat while the new guy tried to replicate his style and fail.
>implying the 2010s didnt do both
Like there's an entire generation for whom Gary Chalk is Optimus.
Because nobody else is as good as him, merely cheap imitations or just plain bland
And TFP carried on that bc it was BW 3.0
>michael bay
>serious
you mean the movies were bumblebee pees on some FBI agent?
the movies were transformers have literal balls swinging as they walk?
the movies that have Sam mother getting high on drugs?
michael bay movies were NEVER SERIOUS, they were full of immature dumb jokes wrote be some 12 years old.
Kind of a related question, I get why Cullen is associated with the role, but why do some think he's the only voice for Optimus?
Like there's an entire generation for whom Gary Chalk is Optimus.
>Gary Chalk
He fits military Optimus
Yeah I agree. Really miss BW/Unicron era Prime voice but action cartoons are dead sadly.
A lot of it is fans who came on for 2007 onward and missed the fact that there were 20 years where Cullen was absent from the role.
I feel like gary Chalk and Peter Cullen fit different roles for Optimus. At least to me
Gary Chalk fits the more younger/military kind of Optimus. Or even Orion in this case. Reading the comics I used to read cop Optimus in Chalk's voice.
Where as Peter Cullen fits the more older and wiser Optimus. Someone that's been through a lot with the war.
And i know >transformers aging but that's how I've kind of headcanon the voices
Miss this Prime so much.
I like Waspinator. Skybyte is my favorite part of RID. Over all, I'm always a fan of the joke character.
This is going too far, they are all jokes. Also the faces are really unsettling.
Why would you think they'd do that for a kid's film.
https://voca.ro/1lNosH2nB7Fb
All Transformers is basically high budget fanfiction at this point. Change my mind.
Sure, fanfiction has no budget
first you'd need to explain what the frick you're talking about
The lack of clear dictatorial authorship and ownership (you cannot simply point to someone like Anno or Lucas to define the original "canon" for the franchise and then someone like Sadamoto or Terio or Arndt being the secondary derivative interpreters and writers) and constant retcons, disagreements, adaptations, and so forth indicates that people are just doing whatever for their projects just to get by. Each adding an alternative solution of its own. This piles up over the years. People might think there is "canon lore" or something when really its just a collection of ideas spread out over apocrypha. Ultimately this means that whatever the studio puts out is no more valid then what grass roots production put out from a certain point of view. Since the former is really just the latter with a license and a budget.
you are stupid
Anything not directly authored by the original author or writer is considered fanfiction by default. That's just how it works.
goddamn you're stupid
There's a reason why the NGE manga is considered fanfiction next to the original series and the rebuild.
>they're still deleting negative comments from the video
jfc
the most obvious youtube bots I ever saw too
>the most obvious youtube bots I ever saw too
holy shit you weren't kidding
I suppose it makes sense for bots to approve of a film starring only robots.
>it's just a younger version of optimus prime bro
These people are hopelessly moronic.
the amount of people justifying the cast choice beause a g1 episode had a different voice for orion fricking boggles my mind
explaining the situation to these smoothbrained children is impossible
It doesn't need to be Peter Cullen every time.
For now it should. The same should apply to Welker.
No, but it is a tremendous waste to not use Cullen at every opportunity after his 70s. The only reason this is not the case is because American film society does not respect the role of voice acting as seriously as somewhere else. Everyone is just treated as a hired gun no matter if they're the definitive choice.
Having Cullen voice a teenage version of the character doesn't make a great deal of sense.
So Optimus must never again appear in Transformers media once Cullen dies?
Transformers fans have been 100% wrong in their opinions about every single new piece of Transformers media since the inception of the fanbase so there is a 100% change that this thing will be kino.