Why do western audiences, especially Americans some the frick how, hate giant robots so much?
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Why do western audiences, especially Americans some the frick how, hate giant robots so much?
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You're right, clearly westerners love mechs, what with all those western mecha series-OH WAIT.
>they don’t produce it so they must hate it
Guess the west hates anime.
>>they don’t produce it so they must hate it
... YES. If westerners liked it, they would make their own. Are you stupid?
I’ll pray for you.
I'm going to take that as a 'yes'.
Even for Cinemaphile this is some deep moronation. For your sakes I hope this is bait.
Are you seriously trying to deny that western audiences have a notorious aversion to giant robots? Because if so, you're fricking delusional.
I agree with you, seems a lot of Cinemaphile users are completely removed from reality here. Next they'll claim Godzilla is as big in the west as Japan.
>The Autism is strong in this one...
Christ, some people truly are the spectrum itself
Transformers made literal billions.
>But but but it was originally japanese!
Micheal Bay cared little for the samurai.
Lies. Chicks dig giant robots.
Oh yeah? Then explain why literally every attempt at making a western mecha IP has flopped miserably.
Because people want Japanese mecha.
But Murricans hate those too!
As opposed to popular belief, chicks do NOT dig giant robots. They look at them like giant cars, which only guys like, even if they think women like them too.
Nah i've definitely seen some chicks that want to frick transformers
Yeah but they also want to frick starscream, so their opinions shouldn't be counted.
>oooh is that a gundam?
>GOTCHA b***h
Plenty of girls might actually know Gundam, at any rate. Wing and Seed sparked quite a few fujo phases. Witch from Mercury might have sparked a new one in the other direction. It's like the subaru of mecha, going by the car metaphor. Because of lesbians, you see.
>Watch out, this one's some kinda mech!
Will we ever get a TV show as good as Deus Ex?
Fricking hate giant robots. There's nothing interesting about a hunk of metal. Is it some kind of fetish?
No need to act like that, anon. You can be genuine.
>morons hate mechs, but make an exception for Transformers for some reason
I hate Transformers the most. I tried to read the IDW comic and it's, like, why is everyone a giant robo? What's the fricking point?
People don't make it because it's a pain in the ass to draw detailed mechs and only the most autistic would put in the effort, and they have more profitable avenues for that talent.
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH DRAWING AN ANGULAR OBJECT IS REALLY HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD
Artists have less than no right to b***h about AI. If the stupid c**ts insist that we mere mortals worship the ground they walk on, then they should try not being lazy pieces of shit.
So does anyone actually know why westerners hate mecha? Cause there sure is a lot of desperate avoidance of the issue here.
Because it's a shitty question based on a presumed reality that was just asserted as fact.
I could just as easily ask why you're such a gay, anon. Care to comment on this indisputable fact?
>Because it's a shitty question based on a presumed reality that was just asserted as fact.
Every attempt at a mainstream mecha property in the states has flopped. Ask any person on the street if they like giant robots, and they will say no. This is a well known fact that you are denying out of sheer contrarianism.
>every attempt
>Mecha
The original question was about giant robots and Transformers was a massive success until it stopped, and it wasn't because people hate giant robots so much as it was because they were shitty movies that overstayed their welcome.
Battletech was a fricking TTRPG series that spawned several book series, video games, and at least one TV show. The games are still solidly popular to this day.
The first Pacific Rim was very popular, but the sequel bungled it by fricking up everything good about the first one. Same deal with the TV show.
Are you asking about cartoons? Because I'd really like you to name me more cartoons about giant robots that aren't transformers or megas XLR or symbiotic titan, the latter two are as much victims of CN's shitty time management as anything.
>fricking up everything good about the first one
I truly can't wrap my head around how they could have possibly gone with EVERY single wrong decision when making Uprising. It's impressive, along with infuriating
The Black is (at least the first season) an improvement because it distances itself from the second movie
>The original question was about giant robots
Oh have a nice day you pedantic c**t. I meant PILOTED mechs, for fricks sake. Holy shit you're a fricking idiot.
>The first Pacific Rim was very popular
I fricking wish
At the end of the day it's still super niche. It's a Cinemaphilecore movie, but outside of our circles, it's barely known. Most of the box office revenue was overseas, it underperformed hard in America.
Transformers is pretty huge in America and Power Rangers has been running for 30 years now. It's certainly a niche interest and more commonly attached to other genres rather than a thing in its own right but it's hardly non-existent.
>STOP QUESTIONING IT CLAP FOR MORE BEANMOUTHS
its almost like Megas XLR, symbiotic titan, the CG voltron, and the few other western mecha shows all got cancelled early
Megas was a joke series that ran out of jokes. If you want to know how it would have turned out to keep going to the satire well, look at Rick and Morty.
Sym-bionic Titan came around at the time of CN's critical mass of shitty management. A lot of decent shows got murdered then. But you know what? Frankly, seeing what else Gendy got up to later, we're probably better off without seeing how the finale would have cucked lance or killed off ilana or some bullshit like that.
I didn't see the CG voltron but that's a remake of a japanese series, does that really count?
I see you didn't mention that roosterteeth bullshit. No questions why that shit flopped, is there? Maybe western creators just suck at making things interesting enough. The first two were shows for kids, and the latter was such a clusterfrick NOBODY liked it, not even the people making it.
>and the few other western mecha shows all got cancelled early
please name them anon friend so i can do my own research
It's not about hating mecha. It's about if it can sell. And it usually doesn't.
Stop replying to this moron.
It looks like it's the same shitposter as always.
>be too stupid to understand the question without being spoonfed
>get BTFO when elaboration is given
>"U-uh, you're just a shitposter!"
Absolutely pathetic.
Anon please
Some people don’t like giant robots because it’s too far from their small minded circle of interests. They’d rather read 100 trash isekai manga than 1 good robot story, because “robots isn’t people”. Same logic as to why most comics only do will if the main character is white. Most readers are moronic, which means they self insert into a piece of media they’re reading. How are they meant to self insert into a giant robot?
>“robots isn’t people”
But that's the part that confuses me. People are piloting the robots. These same people will mindlessly lap up Star Wars slop, and somehow not see the hypocrisy.
>How are they meant to self insert into a giant robot?
By putting yourself in the fricking wienerpit! How do these drooling tards not get this? Or dress themselves in the morning for that matter?
PILOTED mechs. Stop bringing up Transformers. That is not what I'm fricking talking about, you blithering morons.
>Stop bringing up Transformers.
>"I said giant robots why are you bringing up giant robots"
>"Clearly it's everyone else who's stupid because they didn't understand my stupidity
>"I'm too stupid to have caught the context clue that you meant piloted mechs. You should've assumed I would be moronic."
>Context clues
What, the aislop picture of the iron giant dead in the amazon?
>automatically assumes it's an AI image of The Iron Giant
... No, you have to be taking the piss. Even Cinemaphile can't be this ignorant.
>Mecha shit has unironically a huge breadth when it comes to genre.
But you can't tell people this, because they just give you the boomer lead stare, having the deeply entrenched notion that mecha literally can't be good or even versatile.
It's because CGI mechs look like shit and nobody can afford to animate them normally.
Why can't western creators make good mecha content? Why do they suck so much at it?
You can only tell so many stories about giant robots when all they can do is blow shit up. Every mech anime recycles the same "teen finds machine to fight over-the-top aliens" or "teen pilots robot to fight in gritty melodramatic hard sci-fi war" plots.
>You can only tell so many stories about giant robots when all they can do is blow shit up.
As opposed the the thousands of capeslop """stories""" that flood the market to the point other genres aren't allowed to exist. That shit never gets old.
I don't know what your point is, superhero comics have been cratering in sales lately. You want mecha to have an endless stream of flops too?
This brings up a good point. Having robots isn't enough. The mecha part of any mecha story really is kind of just window dressing. You have to actually tell a good fricking story first and foremost. And you have to be willing to tell enough of them that a few misses here and there can be forgiven. And to do that, they need to be cheap enough to produce en masse.
>You can only tell so many stories about giant robots when all they can do is blow shit up
Confirmed for talking out your ass
Mecha shit has unironically a huge breadth when it comes to genre.
Watch Big O, Vision of Escaflowne, Getter Robo Armageddon, Combattler V, Zambot 3, Evangelion, Full Metal Panic, Dunbine, Patlabor and Gunbuster and tell me they're all the same thing.
Mecha can range from noir detective mystery to fantasy romance, eldritch horror, combining robot, depressing tragedy, psychological character piece, schoolgirl romance, isekai, police procedural, and sci-fi spectacle, just with those titles alone.
Hell, even just within Gundam itself, 0079, G-Gundam, Turn A Gundam, Gundam Build Fighters, etc. are all wildly different in terms of tone, genre, and subject matter.
Did you just call Full Metal Panic a fricking schoolgirl romance?
It's as much of a schoolgirl romance as Escaflowne is
It's also a quirky show about a child soldier adapting to highschool, while also being a show about blackops uberCIA mecha shenanigans
The romance is a distant fourth at best. It's like saying Rocky is a romance film.
Nothing, OP is replying to himself. Only a minority of shows give or imply the mecha has some kind of spirit, most are explicitly inanimate machines. In fact the most prominent example of a mecha having a spirit, NGE, doesn't even have a Shinto take on it.
Idk, the core of the story is the relationship between Sousuke and Kaname. The entire plot revolves around it
the west doesn't hate mecha the east just likes em too much
Why don't you blow it out your ass, freebirth?
Why don't you get off MY HOME PLANET?
Come and take it if you think you can do it without a the fricking phone company space illuminati helping you out
You know what else might help? If us Yanks could knock it off with this """realistic""" chicken walker style of mech. Like, we have real bipedal units now, you can just do that.
I assumed Cinemaphile hated it because it had characters who weren't white dudes.
>I assumed Cinemaphile hated it because it had characters who weren't white dudes.
That's true, but that acted as camouflage for the fact that it was horribly written garbage. If people whine about muh genderfluid character then it takes focus away from the batshit plot.
Mm. Well if it's legit bad, then there's nothing for it, unfortunately. Guess I ought to look into sometime for the details.
>You know what else might help? If us Yanks could knock it off with this """realistic""" chicken walker style of mech. Like, we have real bipedal units now, you can just do that.
Hey frick you buddy Macross was doing it back then too.
This is Cinemaphile. If you're going to ask why western audiences don't like mecha, examine western mecha. Should be easy enough, it's a small fricking pool. If you're wondering why japanese mecha isn't popular, start by asking why anime isn't popular, the get the frick out because this isn't the anime board.
I've noticed that generally speaking, American normies dislike giant robots due to a few reasons
>no Shinto equivalent within American society
>generational gaps: the lack of mecha being aimed at normies within the 90s and 2000s (and being popular enough to be household names, mind you)
>America not being gung-ho over warships/naval battle (no intimate history with it)
I genuinely blame Japan not understanding that Americans DO love mecha, they just love it in a different form: cars.
>Fast and Furious
The love of a car parallels the love a pilot has for his mecha (horse stand-in). A strong bond forged by a mutual kindness, the guy gives it a name, it becomes part of the family, it's something memories are made in, etc.
You could absolutely make a mecha successful NOW and it would make millions, you'd just need to tap into the horse girl demographic and the car guy demographic
>mecha cartoon about a girl who finds a giant robot and the friendship they develop
>"it's just like me!"
>"don't worry, boy...I brought you some oil...!"
>>no Shinto equivalent within American society
The frick does Shinto have to do with giant robots?
cartoon about a girl who finds a giant robot and the friendship they develop
Sounds like you want an animated version of the Bumblebee movie.
Shinto has everything to do with giant robots. Shinto deals with "life force" being everpresent in everything from people, plants, animals, and even objects. The life force that you create was cultivated from the existence of other living beings and things, and when you die your life stuff will pass down. That's why the Japanese are so fricking clean.
Specifically when it comes to giant robots, Shinto manifests itself in the bond between the pilot and the machine: the machine has the "life force" of everyone who worked on it. So when the pilot uses the robot to defend the innocent, it is an action that is by and for the community.
Some mecha make it literal and imply the mecha has a soul, but in most mecha it's something more figurative or subtextual so the mecha is just a robot. NGE makes it literal but it's worth pointing out that NGE blends in Shinto with Judaism: the Evangelions touch upon specific Shinto mythic entities (can't remember what they are exactly) and cross it with Ultraman then with a dabble of Golems from Judaism.
Oh this pretentious drivel can stop.
I think part of it might be that creators are moronic and somehow seem unaware that real robots exist. Seriously, every western mecha cartoon is about supers. Have these people seriously never heard of Gundam? Pretty sure a western audience will respond better to that.
There was an attempt, but the result was Gen:Lock.
Nobody responded very well to that at all.
America doesn’t hate mechs, we just don’t make animation that isn’t kids shows or comedies. You people do realize this is the same country that made Pacific Rim and Mechwarrior, right?
Don't forget Titanfall.
>Pacific Rim
Flop. Only Japan and China liked it
>Mechwarrior
Dead franchise.
Yeah, for the villains. The protagonist faction use humanoid machines.
Wrong again fricko
The heros also have chicken walkers like the konig monsters and the gerwalk mode is pretty much a chicken Walker
Mechwarrior 5 still has DLC being released for it and Mechwarrior Online is still running after 11 years with MWO2 in development.
Shh, I want see him try to argue that using VOTOMS.