So nice to see people finally noticing this. I said this back when Rebels was airing. Thrawn’s whole personality is just one big cope. You can’t create a threatening villain just because he talks fancy and has red eyes. He needs to actually accomplish something, a primary goal, none of this secondary consolation prize bullshit when he repeatedly loses.
thrawn will take 100 small loses to win the big one
he learns about his enemy, creates a plan by playing to their weaknesses and crushes them when the time is right
he did this multiple times in rebels and the books
he only lost because of filoni and non-plot armour
i have also felt this way about nu-thrawn >i just got my ass beat, and made to look like a complete incompetent moron who cant wipe out a local outlaw gang but truthfully it was all a test so I could learn something important about my enemy which makes the loss far more beneficial to me hehehehe!
fricking lame ass writing
It's the same shit with Boba Fett. in the movies he tracks down the Falcon & gets "killed" when a blind Han accidently hits him with a stick. But book gays will hype him up to hell cause he was a cool badass in their fan-fiction
>It's the same shit with Boba Fett
no?
boba fett was a character from the movies that people just thought looked cool and were disappointed when he was tossed in the trash as a gag so they coped by inventing new stories about him
thrawn is a character from the stories who was established in a decent story, and then was ruined when a company bought out the IP and rewrote said story
>thrawn is a character from the stories who was established in a decent story, and then was ruined when a company bought out the IP and rewrote said story
Thrawn in Legends is different but this is also the Thrawn that gets killed by his own bodyguards because he didnt realize Leia was Vader daughter.
The New Thrawn is being written by the same guy, he is stuck with Disney making everything they do canon meaning when Rebels took Thrawn out he couldnt use the character as it would conflict, question is what Filoni will do with Thrawn in this series ... I suspect this is just season 1 and Thrawn will escape leaving then behind ... until Ezra opens the door and they get back by the World Between Worlds.
Of course by the tine the sequels roll in time wise Thrawn is dead or gone, Zahn also been writing him more of a anti-hero that of a antagonist, after all he respect civilian lives and even non-Chiss and I dont think that was a Disney mandate considering what he does in Rebels, especially the finale.
Isn't his entire thing he only loses because of incompetent subordinates or, put another way, factors he can't forsee? Thrawn didn't expect Baylan would go AWOL but he preemptively sent Baylan away anyway since he wouldn't know where Baylan's loyalties really lie yet.
The Heir to the Empire trilogy are the only pieces of media with a well written Thrawn. I haven’t read any of the Disney books, but that was not the same character in Rebels. I enjoyed the portrayal Lars gave last week just because he’s a great actor and has presence, but the rest of the cast, other than Stevenson and the little blonde, are abysmal. It’s difficult to even watch Rosario’s scenes, she’s so bad in this.
tried watching this week by week, made it to episode 5 and dropped it like 5 minutes in. I just can't bring myself to care about star wars anymore bros... the number of books I read as a kid, the amount of times I watched the films growing up, literally wore out my VHS copies of the originals... its so sad
It was good because: >cool space opera planet with rings of bones >thrawn intro scene >way more Ballin / Shin scenes >Gold face stormtrooper >best of all, ashoka isnt even in it
Next episode, surprise twist. Thrawn is humiliatingly defeated by Ahsoka (who smugly grins at his corpse and gives an epic girlboss one-liner afterward) and then a post-credits scene reveals Thrawn had a daughter, Mitth'snood'nuruodo. She takes up his place as Grand Admiral and leads the Imperial Remnant in her father's name. In the next season she takes Shin Hati as a lover, and together they capture Sabine and make her their personal pleasure slave. The End.
I know exactly how you feel. I read most of the EU books as a kid and teen, played all the games, and watched the original VHS tapes constantly. Saw each of the prequels many times in the theaters. It's just so disgusting and depressing to see what it has become, this show sucks. Disney Wars sucks and is not worth giving the time of day.
I'm not him but I'm still pretty deeply invested in fantasy like Dune, A Song of Ice and Fire, and even some (DC) capeshit now and then (I liked The Batman), but NuWars is just completely unwatchable
>A Song of Ice and Fire
I get hating star wars but how? Those books are trash and the show is fricking trash. Actual trash for teenagers and morons. Pages describing people shitting or fricking or eating that ultimately accomplish fricking nothing at all.
>A Song of Ice and Fire
I get hating star wars but how? Those books are trash and the show is fricking trash. Actual trash for teenagers and morons. Pages describing people shitting or fricking or eating that ultimately accomplish fricking nothing at all.
If you are trying to lord over me pretending Star Wars in 2023 is better than literally anything else airing you are delusional
7 months ago
Anonymous
Your argument is literally "Yes I eat shit but how dare you judge me".
Please consider buying a rope.
7 months ago
Anonymous
is Disney paying you, anon?
7 months ago
Anonymous
No I'm asking how. I get your enmity with yidsney wars but what're you like 23 or something? Only way you could be impressed with ASOIF. That shit is fricking gutter trash, bottom barrel shit.
Seriously what do you like about it?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I like the fact that the magic isn't spelled out in black and white and is much more nebulous. I tried Malazan but the magic system was so autistically coded I couldn't bear it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not even like 1% of that dumpster franchise has anything magical in it. You put up with chapter upon chapter of boring monotony to get to those parts? I dropped it 3 books in over 2 decades ago because I figured out he had no real interest in that part of it, the War of the 5 Kings was his real interest and I might as well have just read a real history book lmao. To each their own I guess but I have genuinely no more respect for that fat frick than I do Yidsney.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I shouldve said also, I like getting tiny bits of information about faraway places like Asshai but knowing we will never see them, the room it leaves for mystery excites me. Other than Malazan I don't really know any other fantasy not written for 14 year olds, I heard Wheel of Time is good, maybe I'll give those a shot.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Just skim the magic-ism and replace it with power level and portals. Easy peasy.
No, that's not it. The quality then was good. The quality now is non-existant. Those old books and games and Lucas' movies are still excellent to this day. The Disney trash is soulless and completely terrible, it will never be remembered fondly.
Thankfully at least there's still good stuff out there like Warhammer 40k, Godzilla/kaijus, and mech franchises like Gundam and Battletech. But none of that compares to the Star Wars expanded universe and will never occupy a place in my heart that same way.
So the Thrawn super troopers are in fact just jobbers like regular troopers. And not reanimated by nightsister magic either, they die just fine and stay in once piece.
Maybe they didn't tie enough red ribbons around their arms and legs.
This is going to fall so flat on normies that aren't cartoon gays. >"Wow he's so smart and tactical he doesn't lose his cool and learns from every encounter, he's the ultimate villain!"
Uh yeah, no, unless the villain has shark teeth and is shooting lightning bolts out of his ass or something the general public is not going to get that this is supposed to be intimidating.
I don't know where this expectation he was going to actually defeat anyone came from. Thrawn has always been a side villain who fricking loses only after Palpatine was gone. A loser is what he fricking is.
>cartoon gays
This "losing is actually winning" stuff is all he did in the cartoon too. Nobody likes him from the cartoon. Filoni is such a giga moron. Thrawn's character is still riding his EU fame where he actually constantly won, gained ships, destroyed enemy fleets and took over planets.
> "Well, an acceptable loss. My opponents will now feel hubris, meaning in the future they might possibly make a mistake...so you see, this is in fact a victory for me, my defeat was exactly as I had planned."
He was literally about to conquer Coruscant and bring down the New Republic before he got assassinated. The difference between old and new Thrawn is that the former didn’t actually lose so his attitude was justified, while the latter was beat by a random band of rebels and just kept losing.
when thrawn was explaining how he lost and how it's a good thing while the deadly serious thrawn theme was playing in the background i almost peed myself laughing
>rebels was basically the scooby doo gang
The New Scooby-Doo Movies in fact, down to a guest legacy character appearing in that shithole of a planet every other week.
>The Inderdictor is my lynchpin to keep the Rebel fleet trapped >I will assign its command to the incompetent I've reprimanded numerous times in the past >Oh no, he charged the Rebels with a support vehicle, thus opening the way for the enemy to flee. How could this have happened? >Next time Rebels, next time...
He wasn't wrong. Only Sabine kinda knows where they were stationed, and they're about to ditch the planet that they've been stranded on for years. Even if the troopers didn't kill them, Ahsoka and the gang will still be trapped on a planet out of normal hyperspace travel distances, surrounded by a minefield.
The problem isn't that he's wrong, it's that sending people to kill Sabine only resulted in unnecessary losses. He only needed to focus on destroying Ahsoka's ship or stalling her specifically.
Bridger and Sabine would be dead had Baylon not decided to stand aside, though I suppose wanting Bridger dead was more for revenge than anything else. Sabine pretty much singlehandedly taking out an entire squad with no help from Ezra or his pacifist hermit crabs is just bad writing though.
>He wasn't wrong. Only Sabine kinda knows where they were stationed, and they're about to ditch the planet that they've been stranded on for years. Even if the troopers didn't kill them, Ahsoka and the gang will still be trapped on a planet out of normal hyperspace travel distances, surrounded by a minefield.
The same episode demonstrated Eye of Sion has turbolaser turrets they can use.
He could literally nuke Ahsoka and the travel wagon from space at the end of this episode. It was beyond moronic.
>Don't send anyone after Sabine, even if she finds Ezra, they have no means to escape the planet or fight him. >Ahsoka shows up and he deals with her in a similar fashion to the show. >Have the nightsisters keep tabs on her location. >The moment Ahsoka meets up with Sabine, glass them with turbo laser fire from the ring, you'll either kill them or cripple their ship.
Honestly, his plans felt so lumpwristed. If he's such a smart guy, he would ensure a victory against them by just fricking them over as hard as possible with as much as he can.
The Heir to the Empire trilogy are the only pieces of media with a well written Thrawn. I haven’t read any of the Disney books, but that was not the same character in Rebels. I enjoyed the portrayal Lars gave last week just because he’s a great actor and has presence, but the rest of the cast, other than Stevenson and the little blonde, are abysmal. It’s difficult to even watch Rosario’s scenes, she’s so bad in this.
Instead of Rommel and Alexander the Great we got Goering and Trump
>no rebel ship can reach core worlds. if one reaches coruscant, my name is not grand admiral thrawn. you may call me mitth'raw'nuruodo
- mitth'raw'nuruodo
>The Jedi must clearly understand one thing at once, he must get out!
>The Chiss people trusted the Emperor. Given his authoritarian direction of the state, they had no influence on events. Ignorant of the crimes of which we know today, the people have fought with loyalty, self-sacrifice, and courage, and they have suffered too in this life-and-death struggle into which they were arbitrarily thrust. The Chiss people are free from blame.
>I hate the Rebels bitterly because I hate the system. The delusion that all men are equal is ridiculous. I feel that I am superior to most Rebels, not only because I am a Chiss but because my cultural and family background are superior. How ironic it is that crude Rebels moisture farmers who wear the uniforms of the New Republic now sit in judgment on me. No matter how educated a rebel might be, he is still a barbaric wompa rat.
>witches locate ahsoka >uses ring ship to bombard ahsoka's location >shin locates ezra and sabine >sends some stormtroopers to die
Thrawn just kind of forgot about his ring ship in orbit
>witches locate ahsoka >uses ring ship to bombard ahsoka's location >shin locates ezra and sabine >sends some stormtroopers to die
Thrawn just kind of forgot about his ring ship in orbit
Well no, Thrawn is focused on getting the cargo secured in the ship and then get out, he doesnt need to kill then because hey would be trapped there with no means of returning.
Ashoka presence doesnt change that much, its a question of probabilities and risk assessment, whats important for him is to leave so why would he risk his already damaged ship to be rendered inoperable giving then more time to trap him there permanently for what gain? Same with the ring ship since moment the Chimaera is loaded its going to fly up, dock with the ring ship and get out ... moving either the ships would cost him time and as much want to argue he have all the time since there is no rush, its time that if they survive they would use to increase their changes to keep him trapped there.
One could argue he is being too cautioned but at the same time, his primary objective is leaving.
Why didn't he load the cargo years ago? He was already on this planet. The cargo was already on this planet. He never needed to wait for anyone to come get him to get the cargo loaded onto his ship.
We dont even know whats the cargo, they look like pods ...could simply been better protected on the temple or required to be in the temple for extended periods of time.
Granted, the reason why its taking so long is for tension, even if we dont really have a timescale its seems to be taking as long to keep Thrawn stuck there instead of just dock with the ring ship and go on his way.
>Thrawn is focused on getting the cargo secured in the ship and then get out
This why he dispatching 2 squads of troopers with zero air cover and 2 force users which supposed to balance his forces against 2 enemy force users.
Such a brilliant plan
He assigned the squads before he knew about Ashoka, he didnt change things because he couldnt predict when Ashoka would come out or that would be required, the purpose is not really kill then anyway.
Also why would they need air cover? Ashoka ship is lightly armed and Thrawn only send the two squads because that was all he could afford to lose, all this argument comes down to "Thrawn should throw everything at them without regard to what comes after", Thrawn goal is not kill then ... in fact I dont even understand why Thrawn even bothered as they would be stuck there, only reason to even go after then is to keep then busy instead of they trying to sabotage the ring ship or do something to prevent his escape.
Another thing is Thrawn is likely aware the Empire is gone, he have to further preserve his forces as when he comes back, all he can count on is the Imperial Remnant, preserving his forces is important for the day after ... I shouldnt need to say that Thrawn is not going to lose a war just to win a battle, the risks he takes now with Ezra, Sabine and Ashoka cannot be to the point he gets stuck there now permanently or that when returning he have no real forces left.
>been told she is comming in previous episode >ordered fighters disengage from pursuit of her ship >He assigned the squads before he knew about Ashoka
Such a 5d mastermind
The entire reason people are making fun of Thrawn's actions in the episode is because his plans are stupid. He didn't need to send anyone after Sabine, or send his limited amount of men to a completely pointless endeavor. He only needed to prevent Ahsoka from going after him, and he had the means to stall her or outright kill her, he actually prepared for a possible arrival as well as he could and could locate her with Nightsister magic.
Also, aside from the cargo, the Sisters and himself, all his forces and even his ships are expendable, all are in no state to do anything and he'll clearly have to build his forces with other scattered Imperials. Sacrificing them to escape the planet (if it comes to it) is a valid option. So while sacrificing his forces would be moronic (because he didn't need to throughtout the last episode), preserving them means jack shit because they are mostly worthless.
>Thrawn is focused on getting the cargo secured in the ship and then get out
This why he dispatching 2 squads of troopers with zero air cover and 2 force users which supposed to balance his forces against 2 enemy force users.
Such a brilliant plan
>gained territory >Ukraine throws bodies at their defensive positions and denting their population even further
they can hope for a pyrrhic victory at best followed by becoming debt slaves
The smart thing to do would have been to realize you're probably not going to leave the planet and instead of getting fat and larping with witches...how about you actually take over the planet? Make those crab people slaves. Employ the bandits. Build something. Start building your own empire. The Thrawn empire. Instead of sitting around doing absolutely nothing. Unreal. This is the guy I'm supposed to be impressed by? A guy who is too scared to do anything? Frick off.
Dumb writers can't write characters who are smarter than they are.
They will have to resort to plot conveniences and the superficial appearance of 'smart' as they perceive it. And just look at the people these people consider smart.
It's like b***hes on She-Hulk trying to write courtroom scenes and legal dialogue. There's a big difference between having some concept of how that shit works but deviating for artistic reasons, and just being a moron, knowing nothing, without even the slightest interest in learning anything about legal concepts or courtroom procedure.
>Not what I said moron. Nice strawman.
Also dramatised legal shit doesn't have to be boring. It's quite a popular genre due to that very fact, (naturally all the boring paperwork shit gets cut out, procedure simplified, and dramatic licence used). Ever heard of 'The Caine Mutiny', 'A Few Good Men'?
Obviously Herman Wouk isn't a fricking lawyer, but he had plenty of relevant experience, an otherwise had some fricking idea of what he was writing about. You can tell when a writer simply doesn't, (like NuTrek writers who confuse science-fiction with magical fantasy).
>You can't handle the truth! Son, writing is a craft that has rules, and those rules have long been used by men with talent. Who's gonna write shit? You? Art is a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for minorities and you curse merit based hiring. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that firing bad writers, while hilarious, saves franchises. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves studios! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at Hollywood parties, you want whites on that script. You need them on that script. White men use words like "characterisation", "tone", "verisimilitude". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent creating something. You use them as a cheap ploy. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who is entertained by the very profession that I defend, and then questions the manner in which I defend it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a pen, and delete your post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think shitty writers are entitled to!
What you're describing is a problem that plagues all of film and television writing right now. The 20 something first time writers that have never left their zipcode or worked a real job are getting hired on the cheap to write scenes so far beyond their life experience that it becomes absurdity.
It turns out that it requires real muscle in the writing department to make the super savvy, strategic genius character work.
They should have left Thrawn to the grown ups and had Tony Gilroy use him in Andor and left man child cowboy hat to play with his furry toys.
Clearly his destroyer was nowhere in range to shoot them. Plus he's busy loading up all of that cargo.
Baylon fighting would easily have led to Ezra and Sabine dying, but the error was sending any troops at all, since they're still miles away, bound to be stuck on the deserted planet they've been on this whole time. I suppose that was just Thrawn being resentful since Ezra was the one that trapped him there in the first place.
>I suppose that was just Thrawn being resentful since Ezra was the one that trapped him there in the first place.
That's stupid. Those witches could sense Ahsoka coming from inside a whale during a hyperspace trip, but not Ezra who is chilling with his turtle bros a couple of miles away?
He had been keeping tabs on Ezra at least somewhat, which is why they were able to send off Sabine to his last known location to go look for him.
It's likely Thrawn could have had him and his crab people wiped off the face of the planet at any time, but I also assume that he figured Ezra being alive would somehow increase his odds of escaping the galaxy. This sort of plays into Sabine's role of giving up the map, but he character as a whole is just really weak and confusing at best.
>2 more weeks! Trust the plan!
settle down, Navi Elon
So nice to see people finally noticing this. I said this back when Rebels was airing. Thrawn’s whole personality is just one big cope. You can’t create a threatening villain just because he talks fancy and has red eyes. He needs to actually accomplish something, a primary goal, none of this secondary consolation prize bullshit when he repeatedly loses.
Well thrawn never actually accomplished anything or won in the end so it sounds right on character
thrawn will take 100 small loses to win the big one
he learns about his enemy, creates a plan by playing to their weaknesses and crushes them when the time is right
he did this multiple times in rebels and the books
he only lost because of filoni and non-plot armour
He's confirmed dead by the time of the sequel trilogy, so he's confirmed to lose lol
yeah, but not because of his incompetence, but plot-armour for filonis characters
that’s what they say
>he did this multiple times in rebels
homie in Rebels he jobbed to the 5 kids
he was merely pretending
i have also felt this way about nu-thrawn
>i just got my ass beat, and made to look like a complete incompetent moron who cant wipe out a local outlaw gang but truthfully it was all a test so I could learn something important about my enemy which makes the loss far more beneficial to me hehehehe!
fricking lame ass writing
they just rely on fans loving him from the books and hyping it to the casuals.
It's the same shit with Boba Fett. in the movies he tracks down the Falcon & gets "killed" when a blind Han accidently hits him with a stick. But book gays will hype him up to hell cause he was a cool badass in their fan-fiction
>It's the same shit with Boba Fett
no?
boba fett was a character from the movies that people just thought looked cool and were disappointed when he was tossed in the trash as a gag so they coped by inventing new stories about him
thrawn is a character from the stories who was established in a decent story, and then was ruined when a company bought out the IP and rewrote said story
>thrawn is a character from the stories who was established in a decent story, and then was ruined when a company bought out the IP and rewrote said story
Thrawn in Legends is different but this is also the Thrawn that gets killed by his own bodyguards because he didnt realize Leia was Vader daughter.
The New Thrawn is being written by the same guy, he is stuck with Disney making everything they do canon meaning when Rebels took Thrawn out he couldnt use the character as it would conflict, question is what Filoni will do with Thrawn in this series ... I suspect this is just season 1 and Thrawn will escape leaving then behind ... until Ezra opens the door and they get back by the World Between Worlds.
Of course by the tine the sequels roll in time wise Thrawn is dead or gone, Zahn also been writing him more of a anti-hero that of a antagonist, after all he respect civilian lives and even non-Chiss and I dont think that was a Disney mandate considering what he does in Rebels, especially the finale.
Isn't his entire thing he only loses because of incompetent subordinates or, put another way, factors he can't forsee? Thrawn didn't expect Baylan would go AWOL but he preemptively sent Baylan away anyway since he wouldn't know where Baylan's loyalties really lie yet.
He's fat which means he's not really Thrawn. Just someone pretending to be him.
The Heir to the Empire trilogy are the only pieces of media with a well written Thrawn. I haven’t read any of the Disney books, but that was not the same character in Rebels. I enjoyed the portrayal Lars gave last week just because he’s a great actor and has presence, but the rest of the cast, other than Stevenson and the little blonde, are abysmal. It’s difficult to even watch Rosario’s scenes, she’s so bad in this.
Thrawn is the ultimate Redditor
tried watching this week by week, made it to episode 5 and dropped it like 5 minutes in. I just can't bring myself to care about star wars anymore bros... the number of books I read as a kid, the amount of times I watched the films growing up, literally wore out my VHS copies of the originals... its so sad
Keep going because episode 6 was actually good. Amazing what a little Thrawn screen time can accomplish
>episode 6 was actually good
Why you lyin?
It was good because:
>cool space opera planet with rings of bones
>thrawn intro scene
>way more Ballin / Shin scenes
>Gold face stormtrooper
>best of all, ashoka isnt even in it
I'd rather just go read Dune
Next episode, surprise twist. Thrawn is humiliatingly defeated by Ahsoka (who smugly grins at his corpse and gives an epic girlboss one-liner afterward) and then a post-credits scene reveals Thrawn had a daughter, Mitth'snood'nuruodo. She takes up his place as Grand Admiral and leads the Imperial Remnant in her father's name. In the next season she takes Shin Hati as a lover, and together they capture Sabine and make her their personal pleasure slave. The End.
I'll just read the shitposts.
>keep eating the shit, you'll get used to it
I know exactly how you feel. I read most of the EU books as a kid and teen, played all the games, and watched the original VHS tapes constantly. Saw each of the prequels many times in the theaters. It's just so disgusting and depressing to see what it has become, this show sucks. Disney Wars sucks and is not worth giving the time of day.
You're just a grown up now dummy. Time to put away childish things.
I'm not him but I'm still pretty deeply invested in fantasy like Dune, A Song of Ice and Fire, and even some (DC) capeshit now and then (I liked The Batman), but NuWars is just completely unwatchable
>A Song of Ice and Fire
I get hating star wars but how? Those books are trash and the show is fricking trash. Actual trash for teenagers and morons. Pages describing people shitting or fricking or eating that ultimately accomplish fricking nothing at all.
>Capeshit fan
Yeah we're done here.
If you are trying to lord over me pretending Star Wars in 2023 is better than literally anything else airing you are delusional
Your argument is literally "Yes I eat shit but how dare you judge me".
Please consider buying a rope.
is Disney paying you, anon?
No I'm asking how. I get your enmity with yidsney wars but what're you like 23 or something? Only way you could be impressed with ASOIF. That shit is fricking gutter trash, bottom barrel shit.
Seriously what do you like about it?
I like the fact that the magic isn't spelled out in black and white and is much more nebulous. I tried Malazan but the magic system was so autistically coded I couldn't bear it.
Not even like 1% of that dumpster franchise has anything magical in it. You put up with chapter upon chapter of boring monotony to get to those parts? I dropped it 3 books in over 2 decades ago because I figured out he had no real interest in that part of it, the War of the 5 Kings was his real interest and I might as well have just read a real history book lmao. To each their own I guess but I have genuinely no more respect for that fat frick than I do Yidsney.
I shouldve said also, I like getting tiny bits of information about faraway places like Asshai but knowing we will never see them, the room it leaves for mystery excites me. Other than Malazan I don't really know any other fantasy not written for 14 year olds, I heard Wheel of Time is good, maybe I'll give those a shot.
Just skim the magic-ism and replace it with power level and portals. Easy peasy.
No, I'm Dunnheir
I think its building up to abeloth.. Kino may insue
The current staff at Disney is totally incapable of producing kino, I’m sorry.
No, that's not it. The quality then was good. The quality now is non-existant. Those old books and games and Lucas' movies are still excellent to this day. The Disney trash is soulless and completely terrible, it will never be remembered fondly.
Thankfully at least there's still good stuff out there like Warhammer 40k, Godzilla/kaijus, and mech franchises like Gundam and Battletech. But none of that compares to the Star Wars expanded universe and will never occupy a place in my heart that same way.
>Those old books and games and Lucas' movies are still excellent to this day.
nice fake cover disinformation bot!
>"Why yes, getting caught was part of my plan"
So the Thrawn super troopers are in fact just jobbers like regular troopers. And not reanimated by nightsister magic either, they die just fine and stay in once piece.
Maybe they didn't tie enough red ribbons around their arms and legs.
Sounds like Disney's mindset for the past decade
this episode, wow. Its got a poor script and unimaginative direction. 4/10
>mfw Im Elon Musk
This is going to fall so flat on normies that aren't cartoon gays.
>"Wow he's so smart and tactical he doesn't lose his cool and learns from every encounter, he's the ultimate villain!"
Uh yeah, no, unless the villain has shark teeth and is shooting lightning bolts out of his ass or something the general public is not going to get that this is supposed to be intimidating.
I don't know where this expectation he was going to actually defeat anyone came from. Thrawn has always been a side villain who fricking loses only after Palpatine was gone. A loser is what he fricking is.
>cartoon gays
This "losing is actually winning" stuff is all he did in the cartoon too. Nobody likes him from the cartoon. Filoni is such a giga moron. Thrawn's character is still riding his EU fame where he actually constantly won, gained ships, destroyed enemy fleets and took over planets.
>To defeat an enemy, you must know them. Not simply their battle tactics, but their history, philosophy, art, and... their cuisine.
Hermann Goring lay off the schnitzel...
Even obese and full of drugs Goerring held officer posture
>if you kill your enemies, they win
> "Sir, we have lost! Our forces are routed!"
> "Well, an acceptable loss. My opponents will now feel hubris, meaning in the future they might possibly make a mistake...so you see, this is in fact a victory for me, my defeat was exactly as I had planned."
I hate nuWars as much as the next guy but he was always like this, even in the books.
Thrawn is extremely overrated.
This. He get killed by his own bodyguard, and all his victories are "off-screen".
He was literally about to conquer Coruscant and bring down the New Republic before he got assassinated. The difference between old and new Thrawn is that the former didn’t actually lose so his attitude was justified, while the latter was beat by a random band of rebels and just kept losing.
>while the latter was beat by a random band of rebels and just kept losing.
Trust the plan.
What plan?
>but he was always like this, even in the books.
Why lie Cinemaphilemrade?
when thrawn was explaining how he lost and how it's a good thing while the deadly serious thrawn theme was playing in the background i almost peed myself laughing
He can not be defeated because every loss is really a victory and ominous music plays wherever he goes.
>mfw im so smart that me losing is actually me winning
but he is winning, troony.
He comes across as an anime villain who has thousands of plans, it's terrible. Was he this bad in Rebels?
Him sending people to kill Ezra and Sabine feels so pointless.
I think rebels was basically the scooby doo gang foils him every week.
>rebels was basically the scooby doo gang
The New Scooby-Doo Movies in fact, down to a guest legacy character appearing in that shithole of a planet every other week.
>Was he this bad in Rebels?
Worse considering Sabine and Ranjeet were teenagers.
>The Inderdictor is my lynchpin to keep the Rebel fleet trapped
>I will assign its command to the incompetent I've reprimanded numerous times in the past
>Oh no, he charged the Rebels with a support vehicle, thus opening the way for the enemy to flee. How could this have happened?
>Next time Rebels, next time...
The problem is that writers are moronic so there's no possible way they can write a smart, cunning character.
He wasn't wrong. Only Sabine kinda knows where they were stationed, and they're about to ditch the planet that they've been stranded on for years. Even if the troopers didn't kill them, Ahsoka and the gang will still be trapped on a planet out of normal hyperspace travel distances, surrounded by a minefield.
The problem isn't that he's wrong, it's that sending people to kill Sabine only resulted in unnecessary losses. He only needed to focus on destroying Ahsoka's ship or stalling her specifically.
Bridger and Sabine would be dead had Baylon not decided to stand aside, though I suppose wanting Bridger dead was more for revenge than anything else. Sabine pretty much singlehandedly taking out an entire squad with no help from Ezra or his pacifist hermit crabs is just bad writing though.
>He wasn't wrong. Only Sabine kinda knows where they were stationed, and they're about to ditch the planet that they've been stranded on for years. Even if the troopers didn't kill them, Ahsoka and the gang will still be trapped on a planet out of normal hyperspace travel distances, surrounded by a minefield.
The same episode demonstrated Eye of Sion has turbolaser turrets they can use.
He could literally nuke Ahsoka and the travel wagon from space at the end of this episode. It was beyond moronic.
>Don't send anyone after Sabine, even if she finds Ezra, they have no means to escape the planet or fight him.
>Ahsoka shows up and he deals with her in a similar fashion to the show.
>Have the nightsisters keep tabs on her location.
>The moment Ahsoka meets up with Sabine, glass them with turbo laser fire from the ring, you'll either kill them or cripple their ship.
Honestly, his plans felt so lumpwristed. If he's such a smart guy, he would ensure a victory against them by just fricking them over as hard as possible with as much as he can.
Instead of Rommel and Alexander the Great we got Goering and Trump
No. We got Elon Musk larping as Trump.
that's his skill as a admiral.
he just makes it seem like everything happening was a part of his plan and furthers his goals.
It’s so boring, so much filler It’s unreal
He could have just blasted the travel wagon from space with Eye of Sion. This was moronic.
Based Ukrainian tactics
his goal is to return to main galaxy, not to kill those 3 rebel shits
>his goal is to return to main galaxy, not to kill those 3 rebel shits
All he had to do was to tell Enoch to blast that caravan from space when it became stationary.
That was all it took.
You would not understand anon, you lack his genius and tactical finesse.
>This was but merely the first course Elsbeth
> Ashoka Tano lost what she could not afford to lose Elsbeth, time.
>A warrior may retreat. He does not flee. He may lie in ambush. He does not hide. He may experience victory or defeat. He does not cease to serve.
>Victory, just like revenge, is a meal best served cold.
>no rebel ship can reach core worlds. if one reaches coruscant, my name is not grand admiral thrawn. you may call me mitth'raw'nuruodo
- mitth'raw'nuruodo
>The Jedi must clearly understand one thing at once, he must get out!
>The Chiss people trusted the Emperor. Given his authoritarian direction of the state, they had no influence on events. Ignorant of the crimes of which we know today, the people have fought with loyalty, self-sacrifice, and courage, and they have suffered too in this life-and-death struggle into which they were arbitrarily thrust. The Chiss people are free from blame.
-Mitth'raw'nuruodo
>I hate the Rebels bitterly because I hate the system. The delusion that all men are equal is ridiculous. I feel that I am superior to most Rebels, not only because I am a Chiss but because my cultural and family background are superior. How ironic it is that crude Rebels moisture farmers who wear the uniforms of the New Republic now sit in judgment on me. No matter how educated a rebel might be, he is still a barbaric wompa rat.
-Mitth'raw'nuruodo
>In Coruscant Jedi controlled almost one hundred percent of the theaters and cinemas before the rise to power.
-Mitth'raw'nuruodo
Its called a feint.
It’s called fricking losing since he’s dead.
>witches locate ahsoka
>uses ring ship to bombard ahsoka's location
>shin locates ezra and sabine
>sends some stormtroopers to die
Thrawn just kind of forgot about his ring ship in orbit
He kind of forgot about entire Star Destroyer
Well no, Thrawn is focused on getting the cargo secured in the ship and then get out, he doesnt need to kill then because hey would be trapped there with no means of returning.
Ashoka presence doesnt change that much, its a question of probabilities and risk assessment, whats important for him is to leave so why would he risk his already damaged ship to be rendered inoperable giving then more time to trap him there permanently for what gain? Same with the ring ship since moment the Chimaera is loaded its going to fly up, dock with the ring ship and get out ... moving either the ships would cost him time and as much want to argue he have all the time since there is no rush, its time that if they survive they would use to increase their changes to keep him trapped there.
One could argue he is being too cautioned but at the same time, his primary objective is leaving.
Why didn't he load the cargo years ago? He was already on this planet. The cargo was already on this planet. He never needed to wait for anyone to come get him to get the cargo loaded onto his ship.
We dont even know whats the cargo, they look like pods ...could simply been better protected on the temple or required to be in the temple for extended periods of time.
Granted, the reason why its taking so long is for tension, even if we dont really have a timescale its seems to be taking as long to keep Thrawn stuck there instead of just dock with the ring ship and go on his way.
He assigned the squads before he knew about Ashoka, he didnt change things because he couldnt predict when Ashoka would come out or that would be required, the purpose is not really kill then anyway.
Also why would they need air cover? Ashoka ship is lightly armed and Thrawn only send the two squads because that was all he could afford to lose, all this argument comes down to "Thrawn should throw everything at them without regard to what comes after", Thrawn goal is not kill then ... in fact I dont even understand why Thrawn even bothered as they would be stuck there, only reason to even go after then is to keep then busy instead of they trying to sabotage the ring ship or do something to prevent his escape.
Another thing is Thrawn is likely aware the Empire is gone, he have to further preserve his forces as when he comes back, all he can count on is the Imperial Remnant, preserving his forces is important for the day after ... I shouldnt need to say that Thrawn is not going to lose a war just to win a battle, the risks he takes now with Ezra, Sabine and Ashoka cannot be to the point he gets stuck there now permanently or that when returning he have no real forces left.
>been told she is comming in previous episode
>ordered fighters disengage from pursuit of her ship
>He assigned the squads before he knew about Ashoka
Such a 5d mastermind
>We dont even know whats the cargo
Yeah because season only started
>protected on the temple
From what? Crab people?
>season only started
Next week is the final episode lmao
The entire reason people are making fun of Thrawn's actions in the episode is because his plans are stupid. He didn't need to send anyone after Sabine, or send his limited amount of men to a completely pointless endeavor. He only needed to prevent Ahsoka from going after him, and he had the means to stall her or outright kill her, he actually prepared for a possible arrival as well as he could and could locate her with Nightsister magic.
Also, aside from the cargo, the Sisters and himself, all his forces and even his ships are expendable, all are in no state to do anything and he'll clearly have to build his forces with other scattered Imperials. Sacrificing them to escape the planet (if it comes to it) is a valid option. So while sacrificing his forces would be moronic (because he didn't need to throughtout the last episode), preserving them means jack shit because they are mostly worthless.
This is a good question. I guess so it wouldnt take up hangar space? Thats where they’re keeping it. Still there’s a whole star destroyer to stow it
Star Destroyers definitely have multiple large cargo holds.
>Thrawn is focused on getting the cargo secured in the ship and then get out
This why he dispatching 2 squads of troopers with zero air cover and 2 force users which supposed to balance his forces against 2 enemy force users.
Such a brilliant plan
I think he assumed Baylan would be there. If Baylan was there they would have lost since he easily mansplains on Asokah
If he played those cards he would have won but he would have lost time. 2 more weeks, trust the plan
Have they re-introduced C'Baoth yet? You can't have Thrawn without the Disco Wizard.
Nah, the stories are nothing alike. Thrawn just has the same name and skin colour. They also wasted Rukh in Rebels
>Thrawn just has the same name and skin colour.
Old EU Thrawn had darker skin, it made him look far more intimidating.
>mfw im so smart that me losing is actually me winning
So thrawn is actually ukraine personified?
russia lost though?
according to MSNBC and the Bezos Post maybe
>Kiev still standing and in no danger
They objectively lost. Failed their objective.
you're a dipshit
>gained territory
>Ukraine throws bodies at their defensive positions and denting their population even further
they can hope for a pyrrhic victory at best followed by becoming debt slaves
Kiev was never the objective. It was always the donbass, secure the land route to crimea and they have that.
>Not calling it Kyiv
Amateur mistake.
You would have gotten twice as much (you)s
>mfw all according to keikaku
what happens when morons write a guy that is supposed to be smart
>mfw im so smart that me losing is actually me winning
The Trudeau technique.
The smart thing to do would have been to realize you're probably not going to leave the planet and instead of getting fat and larping with witches...how about you actually take over the planet? Make those crab people slaves. Employ the bandits. Build something. Start building your own empire. The Thrawn empire. Instead of sitting around doing absolutely nothing. Unreal. This is the guy I'm supposed to be impressed by? A guy who is too scared to do anything? Frick off.
>Father?
Does he have officers or are stormtroopers and that one goldface guy his only crew on this mile-long ship?
It's implied that the troopers he had when he was introduced was all he really had
He's literally using reddit logic.
He was only good in his original book trilogy.
Dumb writers can't write characters who are smarter than they are.
They will have to resort to plot conveniences and the superficial appearance of 'smart' as they perceive it. And just look at the people these people consider smart.
It's like b***hes on She-Hulk trying to write courtroom scenes and legal dialogue. There's a big difference between having some concept of how that shit works but deviating for artistic reasons, and just being a moron, knowing nothing, without even the slightest interest in learning anything about legal concepts or courtroom procedure.
>my comedy action comic book show should've super realistic boring courtroom cases!
lmao
>comedy
Fricking where?
>Not what I said moron. Nice strawman.
Also dramatised legal shit doesn't have to be boring. It's quite a popular genre due to that very fact, (naturally all the boring paperwork shit gets cut out, procedure simplified, and dramatic licence used). Ever heard of 'The Caine Mutiny', 'A Few Good Men'?
Obviously Herman Wouk isn't a fricking lawyer, but he had plenty of relevant experience, an otherwise had some fricking idea of what he was writing about. You can tell when a writer simply doesn't, (like NuTrek writers who confuse science-fiction with magical fantasy).
>You can't handle the truth! Son, writing is a craft that has rules, and those rules have long been used by men with talent. Who's gonna write shit? You? Art is a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for minorities and you curse merit based hiring. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that firing bad writers, while hilarious, saves franchises. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves studios! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at Hollywood parties, you want whites on that script. You need them on that script. White men use words like "characterisation", "tone", "verisimilitude". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent creating something. You use them as a cheap ploy. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who is entertained by the very profession that I defend, and then questions the manner in which I defend it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a pen, and delete your post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think shitty writers are entitled to!
What you're describing is a problem that plagues all of film and television writing right now. The 20 something first time writers that have never left their zipcode or worked a real job are getting hired on the cheap to write scenes so far beyond their life experience that it becomes absurdity.
It turns out that it requires real muscle in the writing department to make the super savvy, strategic genius character work.
They should have left Thrawn to the grown ups and had Tony Gilroy use him in Andor and left man child cowboy hat to play with his furry toys.
It was so satisfying seeing ma boi Thrawn living up to his reputation as genius tactician.
Reddit continues to sink to new levels of embarrassment.
brava
Why didn't Thrawn just bomb the shit out of Ezra and Sabine from the sky? Why send in fricking troopers? Truly a military genius
"If you kill your enemy, they win" - Trudeau
>"If you kill your enemy, they win" - Trudeau
-Michael Scott
---Thrawn
Clearly his destroyer was nowhere in range to shoot them. Plus he's busy loading up all of that cargo.
Baylon fighting would easily have led to Ezra and Sabine dying, but the error was sending any troops at all, since they're still miles away, bound to be stuck on the deserted planet they've been on this whole time. I suppose that was just Thrawn being resentful since Ezra was the one that trapped him there in the first place.
>I suppose that was just Thrawn being resentful since Ezra was the one that trapped him there in the first place.
That's stupid. Those witches could sense Ahsoka coming from inside a whale during a hyperspace trip, but not Ezra who is chilling with his turtle bros a couple of miles away?
He had been keeping tabs on Ezra at least somewhat, which is why they were able to send off Sabine to his last known location to go look for him.
It's likely Thrawn could have had him and his crab people wiped off the face of the planet at any time, but I also assume that he figured Ezra being alive would somehow increase his odds of escaping the galaxy. This sort of plays into Sabine's role of giving up the map, but he character as a whole is just really weak and confusing at best.
wtf star wars copied DW?
>This withdrawal is part of my plan...
Did Musk start drinking colloidal silver?