>MILES DO EXACTLY WHAT I SAY OR YOULL DESTROY THE UNIVERSE AND KILL TRILLIONS!1!!
>Nah imma do my own thang n shiet
What the frick was his problem?
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>MILES DO EXACTLY WHAT I SAY OR YOULL DESTROY THE UNIVERSE AND KILL TRILLIONS!1!! >Nah imma do my own thang n shiet
He realized it was a moronic third act in an otherwise decent movie.
lel its true
Barely anything else happens in the movie besides Spot.
This
Also Miles is a 15 year old kid of course he's going to act irrationally, and if ANYTHING HUNDREDS OF SPIDER PEOPLE should have caught him much easier...unless they let him get away?
We could justify it as only the dumbest Spiders follow Miguel with no question, but the problem is all the cameos of known characters who should really act and know better. You gonna tell me Kaine wouldn’t choke slam that little shit three times harder than Miguel?
>Miguel wants to explain things to Miles in a way so that he'll understand
>starts the conversation by throwing a trash can at him
>"Why didn't he listen?"
What the frick was his problem?
The conversation between Peter and Miles in the weird gear room would have been a really good time to humanize the Spider-society's position. Instead
>YOU'RE THE REASON IM A DAD MILES
>YOURE AN AMAZING PERSON MILES
>OMG MILES DO I HAVE PERMISSION TO FRICK MY WIFE TONIGHT MILES
I think you're being a bit hyperbolic, but I think that the baby shenanigans with Peter were extremely overplayed. He was basically jingling keys in front of the audience for the entire movie compared to how he could be serious at times in the last one.
Especially because Miguel implied Peter was there and saw it happen. Maybe multiple times. He's probably got the most down to earth perspective on all this.
So was the girl who disappeared in Miguel’s arms not his daughter? I thought that was the implication. I was wondering why Peter B. was present for that. It’s possible Miguel destabilized the universe, realized it was collapsing, then quickly assembled a Spider team to help him save it. They failed, but learned. It’s not particularly clear, we’re led to believe the Society knows what it’s doing but we’re also shown very little proof of that and given plenty of reasons to doubt Miguel’s assertions.
Seriously
>Choke slams Miles into the ground and whispers in his ear that he shouldn't exist
>B-but why didn't he just listen? 🙁
What an idiot
>the entire fate of existence could be in dire straits because Miles decided to be selfish
>he didn't even know for certain he could save his father without destroying his universe
>b-but why was Miguel so mean 🙁
Miguel actually went too easy on Miles. As far as he knew, an immeasurable number of lives were at stake because of Miles.
>What the frick was his problem?
He's a 15 year old who just got the news his dad is going to die, without getting to even say goodbye to him, it's a normal fricking reaction for a hormone riddled mess of a person that is a 15 year old with POWERS
>What the frick was his problem?
Yeah, Miguel has no excuse
I wonder if Miguel’s on Rapture and it’s affecting his judgement. I don’t know what else he’d be injecting, unless they’re going the route of him needing to do so to retain his powers
Miguel is part Mexican, and Mexicans are ba-nu-nu crazy obviously Miles is going to get his shit rough housed
>MILES DO EXACTLY WHAT I SAY OR YOULL DESTROY THE UNIVERSE AND KILL TRILLIONS!1!!
Because that doesn't make any sense and literally the only one it happened to is Miguel. It's a false correlation and the frickin' vampire Hispanic doesn't realize it.
We see it happen firsthand in the India dimension
That definitely looked more like Spot's fault. He just crashed a big frickoff dimensional gateway, and it had the distinct inky blackness associated with his holes.
That’s from outside interference. Not because Indian spiderman himself managed to “do both”. If he were left to try to do both and successfully saved the bus and the police chief on his own then his world would probably be totally safe.
If Miles wants to save his dad then he should be allowed to try. Stopping him from doing so is OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE and could potentially **cause** his universe to collapse. Miguel’s idea is fricking moronic.
Also, what’s Miles supposed to learn from his dad dying in this situation? They talk about canon events, but what’s his dad dying going to motivate? Peter was motivated to be the superhero he became because he saw that his inaction caused uncle ben’s demise. Miles isn’t going to be inactive already and literally nothing involving the creation of Spot is his fault in terms of having negative personality traits or making poor decisions.
What is Miles supposed to learn from his father dying? What is he supposed to be motivated to do if all those other spidermen stop him from saving his dad? It’s stupid.
The funniest thing is the lesson the universe is supposedly dead set on teaching Spiders would be totally undermined by the Society refusing to let Miles even be in the same universe when it happens. Only thing he learns then is that they’re buttholes
My thing is, what if the canon event in Miles universe is that he manages to save everyone? What if the canon event is that he saves his dad but dies in the process or something else bad happens? What if it comes down to saving his dad or saving the spot, because let’s be honest, the spot is really in serious trouble too in all this. What if the spot is the one that’s supposed to learn and grow from all this?
Miles should be allowed to try without any interference or help.
moron, Miles himself says it’s Spot’s fault. Does your brain turn off when the black kid talks?
It’s painfully obvious that Miguel is lying, probably to enforce his ideal version of what Spider-Man should be, his own canon. I doubt he is even actually Spider powered. You just want to make Miles into the bad guy.
Miles is a 15 year old that doesn't know shit about frick. Miguel is a grown ass man who's got a whole organization literally built around this exact concept and has firsthand experience and eye witness accounts. Miles is out of his depth.
except you can compare what happened to Pavitr's universe and the universe being deleted in Miguel's flashback and see the two events looked nothing alike. Either Miguel is catastrophically wrong or he's lying.
We don't know that its only happened once. He'll vulture just BEING in Gwens universe caused the city to glitch.
I’ve only seen the movie once, so I’m don’t remember this quite clearly. How did Vulture get to Miles’ universe? Did Spot do it? In all these discussions, I’ve not thought too much about the Spiders chasing rogue villains into different realities. Miguel seems to imply Miles, the spider, and collider are to blame as the “original anomaly”. It isn’t the subject of much focus, but is the idea that Kingpin/Octavius’ experiments led to a multiverse-wide destabilization that is causing these holes through which Spider related villains/heroes are getting sucked into? If so, how does that correlate to Miguel’s little universe destroying dead guy impersonation? Why didn’t the city break during the first movie, just the Spiders visiting?
Vulture was in Gwen's universe, and basically we're gonna that anomalies like that are just popping up all over the place in the multiverse due to the original destabilizing event when Kingpin started pulling things from other universes with the collider.
Pretty much random stuff is getting popped into other universes similar to how the 3 others got sucked into Miles's gone dimension in the first movie.
Is the following accurate?
>The spider that bit Miles is the first confirmed use of multiversal travel
>This creates an anomaly in which a Spider-Man is created in a world that already has one and deprived another world of it’s own
>Scientists of Miles’ world continue experimenting with multiversal travel, destabilizing the multiverse, causing the Spiders to appear and assist Miles with stopping Kingpin
>Kingpin still manages to get the collider online, causing some multiversal damage, but Miles shuts it off preventing a complete multiverse collapse
>Miguel was off doing ??? but is informed of these events by Lyla. At this point he’s already being a watchdog and with the help of the newly created bracelet starts to form the Spider-Society
>Miguel at some point destabilizes and collapses a universe by pulling a Kingpin family steal
>The Spider Society heavily recruits and begins chasing villains being unwillingly shunted into different universes due to anomaly portals
>Da Vinci Vulture shows up in Gwen’s verse and she’s recruited against Miguel’s better judgement
>Spot confronts Miles and finds he can travel on a multiversal scale
>Gwen visits Miles
>Spot manages to get control of his abilities and starts universe hopping to gain more power
>Spot enters India Coty, gains full power, causes a ton of damage
>Miles interferes with a canon event potentially destabilizing the universe
People have been focused a lot on canon events, but there’s an overarching problem of multiversal destabilization that’s been going on for awhile. The canon events are perhaps the threads that keep a universe from completely falling apart when destabilized by anomalies. At least, as Miguel and the Society understand. Things can change and shift, but so long as these canon threads remain intact the universe can hold on. Spot is simply a locus, anomaly personified. All this would explain why the universe can bear the weight of simple anomalies.
Yeah that seems pretty accurate based on what we know so far
Spot was empty until he cobbled his own collider together and got enough to travel again. Gwen could've stopped it all if he had just run him down instead of spending what looks like a day with miles.
The guy who inserted himself into another dimension to play out fatherhood with another's kid and created dumbass dimension-hopping unit is certainly one to talk about anomalies and shit
Don't forget, Spot got himself a power-up by making his own mini-collider in his apartment while Gwen was supposed to be monitoring him.
I think the idea is that anomalies are popping up and disrupting the canon. Miles got lucky and sorta slotted into the role of RIPeter. The other anomalies kinda risk destabling the universe by merely existing so I think Miguel saw Miles' very existence as spider-man a risk to his universe. Its not because of what miles did but what miles IS. And he's biased. That being said he's mostly mad at miles in tye movie for almost "unknowingly" erasing Pavitir's reality.
Yeah how crazy that a literal child didn't just take it at face value when some homie he just met told him he needed to let his dad die or else the whole world was gonna implode
You predictably moronic new. Did you miss the part where Miguel explained why Pavitr universe started glitching out right after Singh was saved? Did you miss the part where the spiders have experienced universe death so often that they have tech, drills, and an established protocol for it's occurrence? Or was it the dialogue of
>I've tried. But every time I did, it only made things worse.
>I'm sorry, I am. But we can't let this happen.
>Not always!
Where are all you braindead autists coming from?
It’s brought up in the movie Pavtir’s universe could be glitching out from Spot. The point about the whole Society having drills and experience is always a good one, but we never SEE anything beyond that. Our only proof of Miguel’s canon event theory has an alternate explanation, Miguel’s own mistakes nonwithstanding. This isn’t even accounting for all the logical holes and issues in the canon event theory, which have been discussed to death. And also not accounting for Miguel being extremely suspicious and untrustworthy.
The ONLY real proof I can see is a whole society of Spiders would have to be painfully moronic to just believe and do all this with no evidence.
>It's brought up in the movie Pavtir's universe could be glitching out from Spot.
When that didn't happen after he sucked off his cobbled together collider in Miles's dimension? When Spot is fricking around or fricking stuff up, he cores stuff like cheese, like his apartment building or the city in the vision he shared with Miles.
>but we never SEE anything beyond that.
What more do you need to see? The chase scene shows how well they work together, so the fact that a process, collapse containment tech, predictive algorithm, dimension hopping transport, and teamwork from disparate spiders like Spidercide or Doppelganger wasn't clue enough? For all their frickups, the writers adhered to Show Don't Tell on this one.
Frick hollywood, but audience stupidity of requiring everything to be spelled out ad nauseum isn't helping.
Being unable to separate your own information/perspective as an outside observer from the position of a fictional character in an animated children's film does not have very good implications about your mental wellbeing, anon.
>uh you just dont get it maaaan
Considering you can't grasp what's happening on the screen in front of you, that dig means nothing. Project again.
But it was happening. That’s what caused the incident that put his Captain’s life in danger. Things did get worse after the canon event was disrupted, but there was already a huge disaster caused by an interdimensional interloper. And that’s what people mean when they say Miguel’s theory has as many holes in it as Spot. So it’s not okay for Miles to save this Captain, but it is okay for the Spot to run rampant and put him in danger in the first place? It’s not okay for Miles to save his Dad, but it is okay for him to just exist as a Spider-Man bit by a spider from outside canon? Kilometer’s universe still gets to exist after it lost its spider? Gwen and Peter B. can have these huge, life-changing alterations caused by other universes and that’s not a problem? There is no Mayday without Miles.
So it must just be these canon events, then right? Doesn’t matter how they happen, it just matters that they happen. The Uncle, the Captain, the Gwen. That’s explicitly what they focus on, that is what’s shown by the Society, specifically during Miguel’s little presentation. But we as comics savvy folks know that’s bullshit, since it simply isn’t true of many variants on display and is especially not true for Miguel. So much focus on the spider bite, the dead uncle, the dead captain, the dead love interest and yet literally none of those things apply to the dude in charge. There’s a reason they never explain Miguel’s backstory and simply allude to how strange he is compared to the others, because the entire conflict becomes even more full of holes when you acknowledge Miguel’s thesis doesn’t apply to himself. The only thing we do know is that Miguel somehow succeeded in implementing the exact same plan the villain of the first movie attempted, with disastrous consequences. That’s without considering how creepy it is to do in the first goddamn place.
Let me repeat, Miguel’s entire emotional foundation comes from him succeeding at the previous villain’s plan and suffering consequences which he is now unilaterally applying to everyone. And what about Miguel losing his organic webbing? What about the injection? Something is off about this Miguel. No, he never had wall crawling or a spider-sense, but why these other things? We’re meant to be suspicious
The only thing in his favor is how incredibly moronic it would make every Spider in the Society if they just accepted it without proof, but it’s already weird they got punked by some kid and weird they’re all just taking orders from some humorless meathead who doesn’t even share the trauma they’re all so obsessed with.
>What about the injection? Something is off about this Miguel. No, he never had wall crawling or a spider-sense, but why these other things? We’re meant to be suspicious
It's meant to show how his interpretation of events isn't meant to be 100% airtight.
>He isn't bitten by a spider, but he has spider DNA, just like all the others.
>He doesn't have danger sense, but he has enhanced senses
>He can't stick to walls, but he's still a wallcrawler.
He didn't have an uncle Ben, but a daughter.
Gwen eventually has to face the death of a police captain, but it doesn't have to be her dad.
It doesn't even need to be a police captain. Really, it could just be an "authority figure saving an innocent" that has to die. Whose the closest thing to a chief authority figure? Miguel himself is going to die saving Jefferson.
>That's explicitly what they focus on, that is what's shown by the Society, specifically during Miguel's little presentation.
Did you read about the movie instead of watching it?
>Some chapters good, some chapters bad. Some chapters...are very bad.
He flat out says they're out to preserve what they need to and save who they can in the pursuit of the former.
>we know that's bullshit, since it simply isn't true of many variants on display
You almost had it here, but instead of taking that premise to it's conclusion, you veer left.
>There's a reason they never explain Miguel's backstory
It's called runtime.
>thesis doesn't apply to himself.
It doesn't apply to Ben or Jess either. Odd isn't it? How these characters who don't have the Ben and Captain events are so driven to keep universes intact? It's not like there's any potential backblast if enough wind up collapsing. Not at all.
>Being so autistic that you don't understand why a child might be more concerned by the news that his father is about to die than literally anything else related to that information
>no u!
stupid tourist. I hope you go out by goosh goosh
>Idiot with no life experience tries to condemn someone for not consuming enough corporate slop
>With one of the shittiest memes ever made
Lmao
This is a nonsense universe. How can they claim to be heroes anymore when they've built a whole organization to prevent heroism? This is the kind of story you get from Tumblr users who enjoyed things like Homestuck, junk that told no meaningful story of heroism.
>being such a secondary you don't understand every Spider-Man should try to save everyone as if they were his uncle Ben and that writing that all Spider-Men are indifferent until their loved one is on the line is the biggest character assassination in comic book history
Yeah crazy that every other Spider-Man did
>didn't just take it at face value
b***h what the frick are you talking about? he literally witnessed the universe collapsing with his own eyes when he saved the dude in Indian Spiderman's universe, it wasn't some thing Miguel told him without proof, it's literally something he saw first hand
>What the frick was his problem?
Blacks live in the present only.
>o hi Miles let me just explain to you that your dad is going to die in 2 days
>just uhhhh dont stop that okay?
What the frick did he expect to happen here?
>why doesn't every character in every piece of media act in a perfectly logical manner based on the specific information that I, the viewer, have access to and avoid any/all conflict in a way that I believe would work based entirely on my own personal biases and inability to comprehend that I may not have all relevant information?
This sums up pretty much 90% of all complaints I've seen about any media in the last 20 years, when are the fricking nukes coming already?
you know what is funnier? in edge of time, miguel tried to pull the same shit and Peter told him that if he doesn't try to save everyone he doesn't understand what being a spiderman is. yet, you have a bunch of people saying that EoT was better, even though it is the same plot point. even comics miguel gets called out for being too much of a fatalist moron
The thing about this is it's Peter telling Miguel to be Spider-Man and, at the end of it, Is Peter telling Miguel thank you and that he is worthy of being Spider-Man.
Not, ya know, damn near all the Spider-Men acting like Miguel and Miles being the cycle breaker.
they are not all damn spiderman. they are only versions that agreed with miguel. because just like gwen, he kicks out everyone who doesn't agree with them. and during the final segment, you can see a bunch of them being uncomfortable with how miguel was acting when miles was at the go home machine. ATSV Miguel is a version that is fatalist to the maximum, even more than other verions of him. a bunch of other miguels would tell him to chill the frick out. jess was way worse since how much of a do nothing b***h she was
Raimi's spiderman also saved both MJ and NY when confronted with the option to only save one. There are thousands of other spideys who would not side with miguel. i wouldnt be surprised if Noir refused the invite to join the SS
>Guis, why won't he bring in the spideys who don't have to face the same bad events?
Same reason he has a therapist doing nothing but providing therapy, stupid.
>>>LULZ/
>I-It's not all the Spider-Men!
>It's an alternate Miguel! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>ATSV miguelgays are on suicide watch with no argument
kek comics miguel would bust his ass for being a homosexual too
Yeah, comics Miguel is anti-authority.
What a weird Spider-Man to choose for this role.
Well, if we just say ALTERNATE version, we can get away with all the character assassination, ya see.
wow it's almost like they did that on purpose to show how accidentally destroying a universe fricked Miguel up.
>What do you mean Miguel, I had breakfast this morning.
>nig nog doesn't understand or even think of the consequences of his actions
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, racist much?
Kek but I think it was just buried insecurities all dragged up within a few hours.
>glen never came by, but has been shacking up with a forty year old wearing lipstick
>think saving a captain made you a hero like your idol, but turns out you potentially doomed him and everyone on his planet
>everyone knows you just fricked up bigly
>hunkiest spiderman youve ever seen tells you if you never got bit, trillions would still be alive
>mentor knows youre a cosmic mistake who indirectly condemned another NYC to cartel rule, but smiles at you to preserve your feels
And his big escape is sending himself to the place he unknowingly fricked over, confined by the guy who will probably find out his dad is dead, his mother is under strain, and home is kekd because of him.
>be Miguel
>has actually killed trillions
>lectures everyone else on it
Miles is right to tell this boomer to shove it
>Miles fricks over Pav's world.
>Miguel has a damage control team.
>Admits that it's not guaranteed to save the universe.
>It's happened before.
>Miguel says that if it continues to happen, the multiverse itself is at stake.
Miguel probably hasn't gotten down the details 100% correct, but he won't be 100% wrong either.
There’s something missing in his explanation. So, Miles is the original anomaly, according to Miguel. We know from the post-credits scene of the first movie Miguel did not have the bracelets or tech until after the collider incident. So in the time since then, Miguel managed to invade another universe playing a dead man, kill that universe, set up the infrastructure for the Society, create the Society and all it’s procedures, and convince people like Peter B this is all necessary. Hell, we even see Peter B with Miguel as the child disappears in his arms which makes no sense to me chronologically. Obviously, there’s time travel and dimension hopping to justify all this.
The exaggerated swagger of a black teen means he has the potential to do anything he wants that no one else has considered, like sailing across the ocean or inventing medicine
You're expecting a teenager who lost his uncle less than two years ago to not go into full cope mode and believe that he can save his dad and prevent the multiverse from collapsing.
Anyone who sided with Miles on this issue are mentally children and can’t ever be trusted with responsibility over human lives.
I side with him because I know for a fact they are not going to humble Miles, and are ether going to have him prove Miguel wrong, ether humiliating him or making him join Miles' cause.
I side with him because if someone wants to let my dad die because the universe demands it they better bring more evidence than I said so. Not even taking into account the obvious metanarrative in which Miguel will be proven wrong because he’s being a brooding wiener
me when I have no media literacy
Miguel didn't even have proof, just a theory based off vibes.
2099 was right
I can see both sides of the issue. Miguel and the rest have legitimate reasons to let things just play out, but I imagine if someone told me my dad was going to die and I could do something to stop it, I'd try. If they said, "don't do it or the universe will explode", I'd think there has to be a way to do it without the universe exploding and still try. They'd have to kill me to stop me, and I don't think even Miguel wants to kill Miles. As much as he detests him for even existing, Miguel tried to reason with him. That's probably the only mistake that was made. Gwen just accepted it because she thought that relationship was over with anyway, but Miles was actually on good terms with his dad.
>sam raimi's spiderman
>with great power come great responsibility
>across the spiderverse miles
>r.i.p responsibility
>hello selfishness
Why didn't Miles just convince his dad not to take the job?
He literally never saw him again after he found out.
Miles would never turn down the opportunity to kill trillions it's what his father taught him
I will get banned if I say it
>miles how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast today?
>"but I did eat breakfast"
>yes, but how would you feel if you didn't?
>"I don't understand the question"
I'm not understanding this. Some of you actually failed to understand why he's acting like this?
He's a kid who's insecurities flared up while finding out he's got a likely choice between Dead Dad or Dead Everyone.
It doesn't help that the guy telling him is right about the problem, but has the delivery of a brick to the nose.
Yes I know this but some of anons here genuinely can't understand this.
We don't know how right Miguel exactly is, Peter tried really hard to explain to Miles that outsiders of a Universe can still effect them without any problems arising and Hobie clearly believes the whole "Canon-Events" thing is bullshit and it's not coming just from him being an Anarchist.
Universe-42 is still up and running despite their potential Spider-man in Miles getting screwed over and becoming The Prowler and "Our" Miles becoming Spider man wasn't necessarily the problem it was the 42 Spider. I don't believe the idea that Miles's Universe had to kill his Peter to make way for him since a Universe can do just fine with multiple Spider people. The Universe shouldn't be freaking out over Miles suddenly becoming Spider man since Miles should already be a Spider-man in other Universes, in Ultimate I think that Peter died and Miles took up the mantle so if anything ITSV Peter dying to make way for Miles should be considered a canon-event and not the Universe tweaking out. Enough people pointed out that Spider-Woman isn't even sorta related to being a Spider-man so why the frick is she there and second-in-command at all. SS is run by people who just barely qualify as Spider-men who almost routinely give other Spider-men the cold shoulder
Pretty much everyone has noted how weird it is that the top brass of the Society are non-traditional Spiders. Ben Reilly is a bit of an odd question, given he’s a clone with all of Peter’s memories and how clones “count” in the Web has always been iffy.
>Pretty much everyone has noted how weird it is that the top brass of the Society are non-traditional Spiders
That's giving the stupid writers way more credit than they deserve, they're all non-traditional spiders *because cheap wholesale copies like Miles used to be looked down upon*, they just took the most established and known spiders to lead the society and lo and behold they were all actually original characters with their own origin stories, and powers, and personalities etc unlike Miles and the rest of the spider-slop.
We know for a fact it was just writers being stupid and not trying to set up a twist because all of those characters *should know* they never got bitten or had an uncle Ben moment or a George Stacy moment etc, but the movie literally lies and pretends they did have them and that they know it, because tearing down everyone else is the only way to make Miles look good.
That is an absolute schizo take. Seek help.
You "people" think that anything besides taking corporate slop at face value is schizo.
Anon the movie literally shows Jessica, Hobie, etc experiencing the same canon events as Peter did and them nodding along, when none of them literally ever happened in any comic, game, story etc, the movie invented a problem to get mad at.
You may want to rewatch the movie, this time without the hood on
The movie would’ve been more interesting if the villain was an older Peter being mad that it’s now canon that he dies making way for a replacement then accepting that he was never good and miles is just the best Spider-Man there can be. It’s what bendis and Sony want so why try to hide it?
It's pretty obvious that Miles is going to be proven right and the entire spider society claps when they're proven wrong when he successfully saves his dad and nothing bad happens. Although I wonder how they're going to approach it from there because then the Spidermen have to realize "canon events" are happening all the time that they have to try to stop now lest everyone look like hypocrites, including Miles that he can't dodge just because he "got his"
It's an unimaginably moronic concept to write into a Spider-Man story, there is literally no solution that would make things right, multiverses were a mistake
So is every spider-man What If...? following these same story beats over and over again
Stupid movie secondary
Yes, anon. Every Spider-If, ranging from "What If Peter never rejected the symbiote" to "What If Spider-Man was Bri'ish, punk and a rebel" is just the same exact story with no differences from the original at al-
Of course not you immense moron. The only thing they share in common with the OG are things like the villains and heroes being used. Even then they're twisted and changed in a way to make them unique to THAT universe. Did you actually think that Hobbie did a "Spider-Man no more" schtick?
I was more thinking of the origin stories when they were presented, sorry I forgot to pre-chew that thought for you so you can easier digest it.
>movie made every casual think every alternate Spider-Man is as lazy and shameless of a copy of Peter as Miles is
Just as planned
Because comics Pavitr is such a well of originality.
Thankfully Spider-Verse Pavtir and Miles are such wells of originality
Designwise and personality-wise, yes.
What are miles character flaws?
He wants to have his cake and eat it
I’ll save you a few posts of pointless circular debate
>Black Spider-Man bad
There we go, happy now? Back to the movie.
Then you agree he has no flaws, he’s given everything he wants and is great at it instantly. Hence why this trilogy is going to end with him saving everyone and proving that Peter Parker is a b***h
sorry he's not school shooter material like Lee/Ditko Peter from the 60s
Statistically he's more mass shooter material than most other spiders
Please tell me you’ve been waiting to break out the statistics on that comment.
You're just conceding he has no character depth, and apparently you're afraid of people with deep character because they can be disruptive to society.
Have any of them considered finding Jesus instead of science? There's no point whatsoever in being heroes if there's a magical Force stopping them from being heroes, and that's the sum total of the "spirituality" of this Multiverse.
insecure teenager with no clear direction in life but familial expectations to do great/do better/not be a bad sheep like his uncle
So he just finds purpose in wearing a dead white mans clothes?
I’m sorry that miles is a milquetoast twink who loves white dicj
>shit at spanish despite growing up in bilingual household
>endorsed terrible baby powder
>grew that awful moustache
>doesn't know what chai means
>chronic oneitis for a bratty gap-toothed trans girl
>doesn't sacrifice his own beloved father in obedience to an algorithim made by a psychotic vampire
>didn't wait till three
Miles is monster
You would still be wrong for thinking that. Therefore, again, you moron.
They're going to realize Canon-events are a thing that doesn't necessarily mean it has to happen and are probably gonna get bitter with Miguel that he convinced a lot of them to let their loved ones die because they were led to believe that it was suppose to happen
At least, that's how I'd do it
I think like Miguel, Clones just barely count because they're clones of Peters that already went through their Canon-Events so they're already starting where a Spider-man would "Need to be" so to speak
I don't think Spider-woman really counts for anything and is solely just there because some Rogues ended up in her dimension. It's never mentioned but I'm certain others like the Avengers, X-men, and such exist alongside these other Spider-men so it wouldn't surprise me if Spider-Women also got roped in alongside the actual Spider-man of their Universe just because of their namesake
Sounds lame and awful and not what the Trilogy is going for
Hobie clearly thinks the whole thing is bullshit regardless or else he wouldn't have built the teleporter wristband for Gwen, told Miles how to get out of the weird trap Miguel put him in, or quit once everything fell a part
>Hobie clearly thinks the whole thing is bullshit regardless or else he wouldn't have built the teleporter wristband for Gwen, told Miles how to get out of the weird trap Miguel put him in, or quit once everything fell a part
This has nothing to do with the argument
Movie says you're wrong, also a gayet
Okay, you got me there. That’s moronic.
>This has nothing to do with the argument
So you just disregard people when they prove you wrong? Cool
Schizo
You didn't prove anything
It’s exactly what the trilogy is going for because it’s what bendis wants and they’re writing his story one to one. Hence why young pete dies a b***h death and miles is just better than EVER spiderman because they’re all fine with people dying for their importance
gay
>shiet
>What the frick was his problem?
Parents are dumb, etc
>hey Miles sorry, our portal thingy broke
>you're gonna have to stay with us for at least two, maybe three days
problem solved
Or just kick him back into his own universe without telling him shit, what is he going to do?
Anomaly (miles) fighting another Anomalie (spot) creating even more Anomalies (preventing papa's death) = bad
Miles won. Cope.
No one has killed trillions yet, so it's something he can easily make his own thing.
>Miles is trying to not end up fatherless and save his law-abiding police officer father
>This is a "bad thing"
Why are rightoids like this?
Because a society of a million supergeniuses who've been trying to solve this problem for a year or more told him it's unsolvable and that trying to do so will kill everyone everywhere
the word "genius" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here
They invented multiverse travel, what's there to doubt. It's like having an uncontacted Amazon tribesman enter civilization and tell him it's pointless trying to save the thing they dropped on the speeding highway and that trying to walk onto the highway to save it will just result in their death and the deaths of dozens of others.
No, it's like the Aztec religion, because the Multiverse in this movie is literally just a spin on the Aztec religion.
Here, I'll put it in comic book terms your baby brain can understand. Imagine if Kingpin had a magical machine to blow up the Earth if Miles Morales doesn't let him get away with his criminal enterprise. Miles should prove it's a fake, or find a way to destroy the machine like by enlisting Dr strange, not just give up and let Kingpin run rampant murdering other spider characters or whatever, that's fricking moronic.
Why aren't any of the other Spider-Man doing the thing "Miles should do"
>Supergeniuses
Most Spider-men are shlubs shlubbing it up with their greatest technological achievement being the web shooter that not all Spider-men have because they can just shoot it out of their wrists if they're that genetically similar to a Spider
Only a handful of Peters and others would be Super Geniuses and I get the impression Miguel did most of the heavy lifting
That was Spot, the destruction doesn't look like what happened with Miguel and Miles universe
>Most Spider-men are shlubs shlubbing it up with their greatest technological achievement being the web shooter that not all Spider-men have because they can just shoot it out of their wrists if they're that genetically similar to a Spider
Headcanon
nope
wrong
Incredible cope
>file name
Coincidently, Ekko is the only character who isn't stuck in the past or is talking how much better the future could be. He's the only attempting to help people in that presently need help or change.
He literally invented a time machine in order to go back in time and fix shit because he's stuck in the past
I was talking about Arcane
>PLAY THE GAME
No
>THE JOKE IS HE HAS TIME POWERS.
I know
Coincidently, Ekko is the only character who isn't stuck in the past or is talking how much better the future could be. He's the only attempting to help people that presently need help or change.*
If I had a nickel every time a marvel movie had a Mexican in opposition of the black protagonists because they wanted to do things they're way, I'd have 2 nickels which isn't a lot but weird it happened twice.
Amy Pascal and Avi Arad. It always is them.