Not to diminish Dog Man's sales, but it's worth mentioning that a significant amount of Dog Man books are sales done through schools. The schools themselves get some of that money. Call it a kickback, or payola, but that money goes so much further than any advertising Marvel or DC comics pay for.
It's not only the right product, but also the right business plan.
Sure, but giving more space to comics means more non-big two comics have a bigger spotlight. Non-woke stuff like Rippaverse has a big chance to attract an audience now
To be fair, antiwoke gays believe in ethical consumption without wokeness. That's why a million NonWoke alternatives try to capitalize on the vacuum whenever they smell blood.
>a million NonWoke alternatives
NOBODY ever advertises something as "non-woke", they deliberately go full reactionary because you will get more rewards from going full /misc/gay than just making a product. this is what I fricking hate about this world, you NEED to make noise and get that precious internet attention, and controversy is one of the easiest way to do it especially when you're launching something of your own instead of just raping someone else's IP with porn
>a million NonWoke alternatives
NOBODY ever advertises something as "non-woke", they deliberately go full reactionary because you will get more rewards from going full /misc/gay than just making a product. this is what I fricking hate about this world, you NEED to make noise and get that precious internet attention, and controversy is one of the easiest way to do it especially when you're launching something of your own instead of just raping someone else's IP with porn
Black rifle coffee, Duke Cannon soap, Dude wipes, those god awful custom t shirts.
Comics actually have been doing better. It's not like AMAZINGLY good, but numbers are rising, and no, this is not counting "Manga" since sales data likes to include that. Most people prefer to wait for trades and floppies though and by the time they buy those were already like 4 stories ahead
>i just don't think comics can get traction at this point. It'll always be a niche.
a) they need to sell their trades better
b) I think they need to invest in anime adaptations. Manga is heavily propped up by anime, and anime/cartoon fans tend to turn into readers more than live action fans
>they need to invest in the japanese in order to save AMERICAN comics
No. It's our problem. We need to invest in motherfricking western animation again made by western animators. The fact we'd need to rely on the Japanese, an industry that was in our shadow and came many years later is admitting defeat.
Don't you know anything about anime? They have the same problem with being outsourced to korea. All the Japanese hate the korean animation and there's threads where they pick it apart, if you'd actually know what they say on 5ch.
Neither korean nor Japan can fix western animation problems. It's just the truth.
so millar is just saying Comics should rely on Whales basically, which the industry already does with collectors and speculators dominating the market which is one of the reason the american comics industry is in the bin for the most part
I wonder if the whole "whale" economy is necessary, but if videogames are adopting it despite doing so much better than comics on all levels, I don't know. Maybe we're really transitioning into a whole different way of consuming media. I'll never forget the time when I've watched a zoomzoom in the wild, consuming media. He'd just gobble it so fast. These zoomers are consuming shit so fast they can't even engage with the material, they just speed through it, they zoom...
Like the average consumer is such an absolute creature you can't even factor him in. You gotta rely on a specific public of people who care a whole lot about the thing, and generally speaking the vast majority of them will be autistic cumbrains. It seems like the days where you'd just make a thing and put it up for grabs and people would buy it if it was good are completely over. What with AI now further leveling the field, I think a whole lot of media is going to become about supporting the person behind the media - people won't even look at what the person made 'cause it's gonna be generic slop, they'll "support" the person who's gonna have to be at least a woman or some other oppression olympics winner
If anyone here is a "creator", is there even any point trying to get something done if you don't wanna kneel to the alphabet people and come out as a megagay triplegender half-native-american holocaust survivor? It really seems like every single "media creator" nowadays is >some crazy twitter type screeching politics all the time and making products that are infused with politics >a porn prostitute >someone making borderline plagiarism, or some other form of grifting or parasitism
With generous overlap between the three.
Am I out of touch? Is it even possible to just make a good thing and have people read it? I don't even wanna say "sell it" but in the last years it felt like you can't even get people to know what you make exists unless you're pandering extremely hard and making a lot of noise so that the algorithms put you on the radar.
>6%
It's actually unequivocally over. Cinemaphile is a shell of a board dedicated to talking about shit that was relevant 20 years ago, a boomer dungheap. The average age is probably 44, aside from cartoon threads where zoomers talk about wanting to frick princess bubblegum when they were a kid 14 years ago.
The first time I came to Cinemaphile I was a year in into my journey into comics. I saw a thread about someone asking if Sue Storm had gotten her college degree. And so many replies dedicated to going through old ff comics and everything. It was great people were having fun. These days you make that thread you either >straight to page 10 with 5 responses >dead thread but the responses are the same coomer shit about her 90s costume >some anon complaining about woke to derail it
Nobody cares about comics in 2023.
The only reason I care about comic con is because of the trailers, if they keep this up, comic con is going to go the way of E3.
Huh? Let's put this into a different perspective. Imagine if big studios were attending japanese manga conventions and making adaptations left and right because they think there's so much good material. It's at least a sign that manga would be very healthy and full of rich stories that need to be told to bigger audiences.
If those companies suddenly leave, it's probably because there's something wrong with the manga industry. In this case, the comic book industry is severely sick and there's no new or good material. You can't adapt something if the source material is non-existent or garbage.
>Dog Man
How does he do it?
dog man is good an d knows the market it is targeting whereas everyone else in the US comic industry does not get that
I just checked. Dog man 20,000 Fleas Under The Sea sold 378,000 copies in first first two weeks in April. I guess kids really are still reading comics
Not to diminish Dog Man's sales, but it's worth mentioning that a significant amount of Dog Man books are sales done through schools. The schools themselves get some of that money. Call it a kickback, or payola, but that money goes so much further than any advertising Marvel or DC comics pay for.
It's not only the right product, but also the right business plan.
>Strawman out of nowhere
Oh hy /misc/ schizo
But the comics are Woke too? Especially DC Comics.
Sure, but giving more space to comics means more non-big two comics have a bigger spotlight. Non-woke stuff like Rippaverse has a big chance to attract an audience now
no it means attendance will be way down and nobody will see your even shittier comics
>Non-woke stuff like Rippaverse
>Black personverse
>Not woke
What's with the racism
If it ain't hanging from a tree it's too woke for me
Rippa is based and shows that wokeists are the real racists.
the way the woke mantra has destroyed your brain is sad
As the left always says "Never critically examine the products you consume".
N-no its only okay when WE do it!
Honestly tho, the best ways to deal with it would involve policy stopping indexes and companies giving special benefits to whoever push woke stuff.
>party of small government
>until it goes woke!!
So you just doing that annoying "no ethical consumption under capitalism" thing but with wokeness.
To be fair, antiwoke gays believe in ethical consumption without wokeness. That's why a million NonWoke alternatives try to capitalize on the vacuum whenever they smell blood.
>a million NonWoke alternatives
NOBODY ever advertises something as "non-woke", they deliberately go full reactionary because you will get more rewards from going full /misc/gay than just making a product. this is what I fricking hate about this world, you NEED to make noise and get that precious internet attention, and controversy is one of the easiest way to do it especially when you're launching something of your own instead of just raping someone else's IP with porn
Yep.
Black rifle coffee, Duke Cannon soap, Dude wipes, those god awful custom t shirts.
that that word offends you is more pathetic
At no point did he say the word woke, gay.
i just don't think comics can get traction at this point. It'll always be a niche.
Marvel can if they stop cucking Peter and get rid of the idiots in charge.
DC is dead. Nothing can save them.
Comics actually have been doing better. It's not like AMAZINGLY good, but numbers are rising, and no, this is not counting "Manga" since sales data likes to include that. Most people prefer to wait for trades and floppies though and by the time they buy those were already like 4 stories ahead
>trades and collections not floppies
Why did hte repub;icans destroy the democrats used card comic board industry politics wuh wuh wuh?
Why would anybody spend $5 for maybe 30 pages of content when you can spend $50 and get hundreds?
Plus, I think a year of Marvel Unlimited is like 60 bucks
>i just don't think comics can get traction at this point. It'll always be a niche.
a) they need to sell their trades better
b) I think they need to invest in anime adaptations. Manga is heavily propped up by anime, and anime/cartoon fans tend to turn into readers more than live action fans
>they need to invest in the japanese in order to save AMERICAN comics
No. It's our problem. We need to invest in motherfricking western animation again made by western animators. The fact we'd need to rely on the Japanese, an industry that was in our shadow and came many years later is admitting defeat.
Western animators have always depended on Asia to animate our shows.
Don't you know anything about anime? They have the same problem with being outsourced to korea. All the Japanese hate the korean animation and there's threads where they pick it apart, if you'd actually know what they say on 5ch.
Neither korean nor Japan can fix western animation problems. It's just the truth.
Millar Says we should forcibly kick out the woke ideology out of comics in order to course correct
so millar is just saying Comics should rely on Whales basically, which the industry already does with collectors and speculators dominating the market which is one of the reason the american comics industry is in the bin for the most part
I wonder if the whole "whale" economy is necessary, but if videogames are adopting it despite doing so much better than comics on all levels, I don't know. Maybe we're really transitioning into a whole different way of consuming media. I'll never forget the time when I've watched a zoomzoom in the wild, consuming media. He'd just gobble it so fast. These zoomers are consuming shit so fast they can't even engage with the material, they just speed through it, they zoom...
Like the average consumer is such an absolute creature you can't even factor him in. You gotta rely on a specific public of people who care a whole lot about the thing, and generally speaking the vast majority of them will be autistic cumbrains. It seems like the days where you'd just make a thing and put it up for grabs and people would buy it if it was good are completely over. What with AI now further leveling the field, I think a whole lot of media is going to become about supporting the person behind the media - people won't even look at what the person made 'cause it's gonna be generic slop, they'll "support" the person who's gonna have to be at least a woman or some other oppression olympics winner
Ok, but if millar says That's A Good Thing, it's just as good as when that other scum says it.
Marvel and DC are still owned by woke companies so who cares
Nothing will ever change
Woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke
If anyone here is a "creator", is there even any point trying to get something done if you don't wanna kneel to the alphabet people and come out as a megagay triplegender half-native-american holocaust survivor? It really seems like every single "media creator" nowadays is
>some crazy twitter type screeching politics all the time and making products that are infused with politics
>a porn prostitute
>someone making borderline plagiarism, or some other form of grifting or parasitism
With generous overlap between the three.
Am I out of touch? Is it even possible to just make a good thing and have people read it? I don't even wanna say "sell it" but in the last years it felt like you can't even get people to know what you make exists unless you're pandering extremely hard and making a lot of noise so that the algorithms put you on the radar.
>6%
It's actually unequivocally over. Cinemaphile is a shell of a board dedicated to talking about shit that was relevant 20 years ago, a boomer dungheap. The average age is probably 44, aside from cartoon threads where zoomers talk about wanting to frick princess bubblegum when they were a kid 14 years ago.
>wanting to frick princess bubblegum when they were a kid 14 years ago
adventure time was 14 years ago?
h-hold on I don't feel so good
The first time I came to Cinemaphile I was a year in into my journey into comics. I saw a thread about someone asking if Sue Storm had gotten her college degree. And so many replies dedicated to going through old ff comics and everything. It was great people were having fun. These days you make that thread you either
>straight to page 10 with 5 responses
>dead thread but the responses are the same coomer shit about her 90s costume
>some anon complaining about woke to derail it
Nobody cares about comics in 2023.
The only reason I care about comic con is because of the trailers, if they keep this up, comic con is going to go the way of E3.
It would just mean SDCC goes back to being the smaller convention from before the 90s
>listening to mangoman
Mangoman?
Huh? Let's put this into a different perspective. Imagine if big studios were attending japanese manga conventions and making adaptations left and right because they think there's so much good material. It's at least a sign that manga would be very healthy and full of rich stories that need to be told to bigger audiences.
If those companies suddenly leave, it's probably because there's something wrong with the manga industry. In this case, the comic book industry is severely sick and there's no new or good material. You can't adapt something if the source material is non-existent or garbage.
Just give up and get some Japs to draw Batman and Spider-Man weekly and call it a day on American comics
>Asian tomboy enjoyer
I might have to agree.
I'm glad. I stopped going when the MCU got big and ruined the vibe
Conventions in general have become too corporate, so some course correction is more than welcome.