I already see people saying this looks like the most generic and safe idea for a Pixar movie. It's seriously like a parody. >THIS SUMMER... FROM PIXAR >OIL AND WATER >CAN THESE TWO LEARN TO GET ALONG DESPITE BEING SO DIFFERENT?
Minions 2 beat Lightyear (2022)
Sing 2 beat Luca (2021)
Toy Story 4 beat Secret Life of Pets 2 (2019)
Incredibles 2 beat The Grinch (2018)
Despicable Me 3 beat Coco and Cars 3 (2017)
Finding Dory beat Sing (2016)
Minions beat Inside Out and The Good Dinosaur (2015)
Despicable Me 2 beat Monster University (2013)
Brave beat The Lorax (2012)
Cars 2 beat Hop (2011)
Toy Story 3 beat Despicable Me (2010)
Since 2010, in years where Illumination and Pixar both released movies, Pixar won 6 out of 11 times. Pixar is not as dominant as you may think, and Illumination actually comes out on top 3-2 if we limit the list to the past 6 years. In addition, Illumination's movies have cumulatively earned 700~800% return on budget. No other studio except low budget horror studios comes close to that number.
Disney is still the number 1 animation studio, but Pixar arguably has not been 2 for a while.
This. At some point, every animation showrunner and director decided that tearjerker moments and surprise twists were the way to win over audiences.
I am sick of animation pushing for tearjerker endings (Encanto, Soul, Amphibia, Onward, Klaus, Regular Show, Gravity Falls).
I am sick of animation going for twist villains (Zootopia, Frozen, Lightyear, The Bad Guys, Coco).
I am sick of animation ending with our beloved cast sadly splitting up (How To Train Your Dragon, Wreck-It Ralph 2, Toy Story 4, Steven Universe Future).
I LIKE some of the things I listed, but it's fricking exhausting when so much animation that is supposedly aimed at children is actually trying to be "deep" and "mature" and "surprising" and it ends up devolving over time into being a depressing mess where the subject matter is heavy but they're never allowed to fully explore it because they're still making a children's show. It's unsatisfying and tiring.
Sometimes, you just want a goddamn cartoon that makes you laugh with it's clever visual gags and silly cartoon logic, and it's upsetting that is a tall order to ask for from AMERICAN CARTOONS. When my options for "funny cartoons" are things like The Fungies or Middlemost Post (Which aren't funny) or reboots like Animaniacs or Looney Tunes that completely miss the mark with their jokes, I'll fricking turn to Minions for a laugh, I'm desperate at this point.
Discovering wonderfully funny and simple shows like Buddy Thunderstruck on Netflix feels like a fricking treasure hunt at this point, and it shouldn't.
Rare wise opinion. I don't get why people nowadays always go for this stuff you listed. I reckon it must be a bunch of tryhard, upstart newcomers, or smug artsy directors that think they NEED to create a dramatic masterpiece that subverts the expectations of the audience. I mean, sure, sometimes it can be good, but you don't need to try to make every show into a drama piece with a major twist.
Sometimes, people just want something simple and enjoyable.
They all grew up watching feel good cartoons, so they felt they need to make subversive cartoons as it felt "different". They forget that all the other creators have that same mentality.
Maybe with all this moody, subversive shit coming out, the next generation of creators will go back to feel-good stuff.
Summer Camp Island, We Bare Bears, Craig of the Creek, The Fungies, and all those other modern day CN shows are the Hallmark equivalent of cartoons. They're inoffensive, bland, boring, and to suggest they're "comedies" means you're really desperate for a chuckle or two.
They aren't unbearably bad, it's just ok. At least they're not pretentious and annoying to watch, just a bit bland sometimes
Summer Camp Island, We Bare Bears, Craig of the Creek, The Fungies, and all those other modern day CN shows are the Hallmark equivalent of cartoons. They're inoffensive, bland, boring, and to suggest they're "comedies" means you're really desperate for a chuckle or two.
SCU is a toddler show, as safe as possible.
A kid show is a balancing act between being safe and not insulting the kid's intelligence.
A teen show is getting as explicit as posible without getting R18 rated.
And adult show is either too intellectually stimulating or cashcow flick.
Why are there so many of these threads? Are people really finding it that hard to understand how a franchise obsessed over by millions of people did better than one that people gave up on after the third film?
Even the shittiest Marvel movie makes a shit-ton of money, because Marvel is a powerhouse name. A Pixar movie flopping this hard pretty much shows that Pixar's brand is waning.
for the first time in ages disney is being challenged by the little guys, which we KNOW won't sit well with the execs, and a paradigm shift will occur.
I wouldn't say they're exactly a small company, unless you're referring to the minions. In any case, i do agree it's nice to see disney getting shown that they're losing their touch.
Disney's most valuable market now is women aged 18-35. Women that age LOVE Disney, have more money than men, and they spend it. This led to Disney focusing more on that demographic instead of making movies for kids like Minions.
Lightyear is the epitome of this shit. It was specifically made for people who liked Toy Story as a kid, instead of introducing kids to their own "Toy Story"
I love Disney, but they need a wake-up slap so bad. Their parks have taken a nosedive, WDAS is in peril, and way too much money wasted on their DEI department.
Rape is hw
Because they still make fun movies kids and families would want to watch, not shallow agenda-charged boring nostalgiabait.
I like a good Disney thrash thread, but one movie doesn't mean they dethroned Disney/Pixar.
It's literally making more money than Turning Red and Lightyear. Dethroned.
>its better than two of their worst movies
Uhh... OK?
Their Sing 2 movie did beat Encanto
Screencap this. Strange Worlds and Elemental will flop HARD
Strange World looks like it’s ripping off Lightyear.
In which Disney expected to succeed but now SW is going to flop harder.
I already see people saying this looks like the most generic and safe idea for a Pixar movie. It's seriously like a parody.
>THIS SUMMER... FROM PIXAR
>OIL AND WATER
>CAN THESE TWO LEARN TO GET ALONG DESPITE BEING SO DIFFERENT?
Strange Worlds will flop.
Elemental will do fine because coomers.
Why is his nose so big?
To better sniff your feet with, my dear
He's Albanian
Disney needs some flops to b***h-slap them in the face. They've gotten too wienery and Chapek is such a shit CEO.
>sing 2
>sonic
>the bad guys
>their animated flops
it wasn't just one movie, Minions is just the cherry on top considering lightyear was their summer blockbuster.
Minions 2 beat Lightyear (2022)
Sing 2 beat Luca (2021)
Toy Story 4 beat Secret Life of Pets 2 (2019)
Incredibles 2 beat The Grinch (2018)
Despicable Me 3 beat Coco and Cars 3 (2017)
Finding Dory beat Sing (2016)
Minions beat Inside Out and The Good Dinosaur (2015)
Despicable Me 2 beat Monster University (2013)
Brave beat The Lorax (2012)
Cars 2 beat Hop (2011)
Toy Story 3 beat Despicable Me (2010)
Since 2010, in years where Illumination and Pixar both released movies, Pixar won 6 out of 11 times. Pixar is not as dominant as you may think, and Illumination actually comes out on top 3-2 if we limit the list to the past 6 years. In addition, Illumination's movies have cumulatively earned 700~800% return on budget. No other studio except low budget horror studios comes close to that number.
Disney is still the number 1 animation studio, but Pixar arguably has not been 2 for a while.
Pixar hasn't made a strong standing movie in a decade and it's just getting worse.
The Despicable Me movies are better than anyone wants to give them credit for.
They're mind-numbing sap
As kids movies should be.
All because Pixar was tryingtoo hard to appeal to that adult millennial crowd instead of for children and families.
This. At some point, every animation showrunner and director decided that tearjerker moments and surprise twists were the way to win over audiences.
I am sick of animation pushing for tearjerker endings (Encanto, Soul, Amphibia, Onward, Klaus, Regular Show, Gravity Falls).
I am sick of animation going for twist villains (Zootopia, Frozen, Lightyear, The Bad Guys, Coco).
I am sick of animation ending with our beloved cast sadly splitting up (How To Train Your Dragon, Wreck-It Ralph 2, Toy Story 4, Steven Universe Future).
I LIKE some of the things I listed, but it's fricking exhausting when so much animation that is supposedly aimed at children is actually trying to be "deep" and "mature" and "surprising" and it ends up devolving over time into being a depressing mess where the subject matter is heavy but they're never allowed to fully explore it because they're still making a children's show. It's unsatisfying and tiring.
Sometimes, you just want a goddamn cartoon that makes you laugh with it's clever visual gags and silly cartoon logic, and it's upsetting that is a tall order to ask for from AMERICAN CARTOONS. When my options for "funny cartoons" are things like The Fungies or Middlemost Post (Which aren't funny) or reboots like Animaniacs or Looney Tunes that completely miss the mark with their jokes, I'll fricking turn to Minions for a laugh, I'm desperate at this point.
Discovering wonderfully funny and simple shows like Buddy Thunderstruck on Netflix feels like a fricking treasure hunt at this point, and it shouldn't.
That's why a lot of people like MLP, but that put it in the mainstream so Cinemaphile has to hate it.
There’s also GR15
Get sick and die for wanting animation to be mindless slop for moronic kids and adults.
I'd rather be on an island with 10 good classic Looney Tunes shorts than a thousand episodes of The Owl House or Steven Universe.
Illumination movies are not mindless. You're a mindless mouseshill for saying that.
Rare wise opinion. I don't get why people nowadays always go for this stuff you listed. I reckon it must be a bunch of tryhard, upstart newcomers, or smug artsy directors that think they NEED to create a dramatic masterpiece that subverts the expectations of the audience. I mean, sure, sometimes it can be good, but you don't need to try to make every show into a drama piece with a major twist.
Sometimes, people just want something simple and enjoyable.
They all grew up watching feel good cartoons, so they felt they need to make subversive cartoons as it felt "different". They forget that all the other creators have that same mentality.
Maybe with all this moody, subversive shit coming out, the next generation of creators will go back to feel-good stuff.
>durr why stuff no longer for kids???
>show like Summer Camp Island comes along
>no, not like that
What's wrong with summer camp island?
That's literally my question. People act like it's worse than cancer despite wanting shows like it?
They aren't unbearably bad, it's just ok. At least they're not pretentious and annoying to watch, just a bit bland sometimes
Summer Camp Island, We Bare Bears, Craig of the Creek, The Fungies, and all those other modern day CN shows are the Hallmark equivalent of cartoons. They're inoffensive, bland, boring, and to suggest they're "comedies" means you're really desperate for a chuckle or two.
SCU is a toddler show, as safe as possible.
A kid show is a balancing act between being safe and not insulting the kid's intelligence.
A teen show is getting as explicit as posible without getting R18 rated.
And adult show is either too intellectually stimulating or cashcow flick.
>appeal to that adult millennial crowd
More like majority of their creative team is composed if such and these people only know how to self insert.
Pixar is a shell of its former self ever since it lost most of its talent that made Pixar great.
#MeToo
Why are there so many of these threads? Are people really finding it that hard to understand how a franchise obsessed over by millions of people did better than one that people gave up on after the third film?
Even the shittiest Marvel movie makes a shit-ton of money, because Marvel is a powerhouse name. A Pixar movie flopping this hard pretty much shows that Pixar's brand is waning.
>Shit studio gets dethroned by shit studio
Why are we celebrating exactly?
for the first time in ages disney is being challenged by the little guys, which we KNOW won't sit well with the execs, and a paradigm shift will occur.
I wouldn't say they're exactly a small company, unless you're referring to the minions. In any case, i do agree it's nice to see disney getting shown that they're losing their touch.
Illumination doesn’t groom kids.
Because Minions specializes in Leftist Agendas that stupid shit eating normies worship like insulting men:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/21/minions-creator-theyre-all-male-because-theyre-dumb-and-stupid
Disney's most valuable market now is women aged 18-35. Women that age LOVE Disney, have more money than men, and they spend it. This led to Disney focusing more on that demographic instead of making movies for kids like Minions.
Lightyear is the epitome of this shit. It was specifically made for people who liked Toy Story as a kid, instead of introducing kids to their own "Toy Story"
>18-35
It's funny how men range from 18-25, but for women its much larger
Women mature faster, but development but severely slows down around 20.
Men are slower but more consistent.
Children and fricking soccer mums obviously. Not exactly an indicator of quality.
But this is Disney's exact demographic. And morons eat those movies up no matter how bad they are.
I love Disney, but they need a wake-up slap so bad. Their parks have taken a nosedive, WDAS is in peril, and way too much money wasted on their DEI department.