MJ named the worlds most famous person in new documentary

oh wow a video said it, it must be true!

you were the one making the claim moron

It was common knowledge and a widely known fact that he was the most famous person. Hence why they asked about him to test and see if it was true. And it was.

Yes

>nobody existed before the invention of cameras

like I said I have my big fricking doubts and if existed was astrosurfed 100 times more, someone similiar to jesus might have existed, the rest can be considered creative writing and not strong historical proof

if I say to you
>julius lived in the year 1555, he was born from a farmer family, lived until 30yo and was the main responsable for taking down the government of Opressikingdom, but got killed by a conspirator
or
lived in the year 1555, he was born from a farmer family but his father wasn't his real father since the king of the elf kingdom gave the duty of the conception of the future elf king to his mother, lived until 30yo and was the main responsable for taking down the government of Opressikingdom, he had constant visions of elf spirits that guided him and allowed him to get powers and make miracles. Sadly he got killed by a conspirator, it's not a worry tho since he was shortly after reincarnated in the elf kingdom and since then is the king of the place

Can you tell me that both are the same character and the second is not just "based on a real story" and just a literary character with dubious historical accuracy?

But that's the opposite of his argument, he is saying Jesus could have existed. However the JESUS who walked on water and came back from the dead couldn't.
It's not even that subtle a difference, anon gave a pretty clear breakdown of his argument.

>an account being exaggerated means the person it refers to is a different person
This is cope, and everyone ITT can see you’ve changed your stance from saying he literally didn’t exist to this bizarre language game shit

you literally said, i’ll link the post

Michael Jackson was actually real though.

you can cope all you want, the clearly intended meaning of this post is not what you are still arguing

you might learn to use Cinemaphile some day

you know that Dante Alighieri visited hell, purgatory and paradise? He was a great man

Stick to your guns bro. There is literally zero evidence for a historical jesus. Christcucks will cope by posting a few sentences from pagan or israeli historians that make reference to early christians singing hymns to jesus or whatever. Outside of that there exists no primary documents mentioning a miracle man being crucified in palestine. It was a cope religion invented by israelites like paul who after getting their shit pushed in by ROME repeatedly realized they had to convert masses to their side by other means than militarily. In light of this, the historical jesus may or may not be real (doesn't really make a difference), but the mythological one certainly is. And he conquered Europe.

>if you reject out of hand tons of accounts
There's maybe 4 at most and they are all from way after jesus' supposed death and resurrection. None of them saw the historical jesus only the early church which already had an established christology. Why do you care what secular or biblical historians think or prove anyways, you're supposed to believe in jesus based on faith, not evidence.
>give me a contemporary account of alexander the great
I can't, but he also wasn't a miracle man claiming to be the israeli messiah. The standard for proving a historical figure claiming to be god is obviously much higher.

>notice in none of my posts i’ve claimed to believe jesus was god or had powers
what do you even care then? this seems too personal to you for you to just handwave away why you're wasting your time arguing about jesus on the internet lmao

You're out of your league kiddo.

both*

>shape the entire moral and metaphysical universe of the west
>some redditor calls you a fraud because in his fricking 30s he’s still clinging onto infantile rebellion and shitty 90s pop

if you think post medieval western morals resemble greek ones in any way you are fricking moronic

secular humanism is entirely based on the christian framework, just a diluted dying version of it

Not even romans agreed with greek moral philosophy. If you mean metaphysics maybe, but plotinus was really the last platonist.

>the earliest gospel dates to 2 centuries after his death
it’s 60, you utter fricking moron. not even the biggest skeptic says 200, wtf.

>his followers
Ie you’re coping. Carl marx and kant were massively influential figures on history. Because of their influence on human thought generally, not because they lead the russian revolution or the french revolution themselves

You have no idea how much of a loser you sound like lol

Seeing as the church certified nearly 1000 miracles to Michael Jackson’s name i doubt any claim against the man can be made. Strawmen really can’t change that

Don't try to reason with Wacko cultists. They could see a video of him butt fricking a kid and they would still worship the dead Black person.

It's crazy how genuinely mentally insane and psychotic these people get when it comes to him. Not in a good way, but how obsessed they are with finding a reason to be negative or deny positive things about him. Not even Hitler really causes this much of a mental breakdown from schizos

Parroting VanityFair and someone who claimed Michael Jackson did a voodoo ritual in Afrcia with sheep's blood isn't credible. Here's a fact for you, there would be no reason to make things up since the FBI had a drawing provided from that same child and strip searched immedietely afterwards. If there was any actual proof they wouldn't need to look for more witnesses and would have arrested him on the spot for it.

Do it, it needs to be done. Schizophrenics are just that deranged about MJ. Like this guy here, he's absolutely seething so bad he uses the media coined nickname about him

Brett Barnes admits he slept in bed with Wacko Jacko.

. MJ is legit hitler for Liberals

Reminder based on the same strawmen people use against Michael Jackson, these would also be true
>Jesus Christ paid off the court and magically bribed Romans into letting him walk free on charges the israelites said he was guilty of. A lot of people accused him so he groomed them as well and they saw the error of their ways later. He also groomed families into letting him into their house and sleep with them (actual bible event) and nazi /misc/ chuds are the only ones who defend him because he was anti-semetic. Also he didn't have a open relationship with women so he's a homosexual.
>Leonardo Da Vinci was accused once of Sodomy and found innocent without a single bit of evidence, so that means he's guilty actually and weasled his way out of it, OJ Simpson was found not guilty right. Also he let unrelated kids live in his home not just stay there, he must have been gay and a pedophile who abused them because well we don't have proof but it doesn't make sense if he wasn't.

>jews said to israelites (jesus)
te bible is the story of different israelite tribes israeliteing each other

It's in the court papers you absolute Black person worshipping mong. I'm not going to spoon feed you like the moron you are, but you can find them online.

Here's one miracle attributed to him back in 2000, can't post anymore or even the full thing as it goes over limit
>I was diagnosed with a rare form of child bone cancer in 2000 at the age of fifteen. I was to start chemo therapy in August of that year. Not many people know this but Michael opened up Neverland several times each year for anyone in the public to come and enjoy the park. Everything was free. Rides, games, food. A friend of mine who was a regular at Neverland called me one night and told me the park was going to be open for two weeks at the beginning of August that year. I asked my parents if they would take me the week before I was scheduled to start chemo. My doctors all advised against saying they feared I was too weak but I eventually talked my parents in to it. My Mom then grabbed my hand and we made our way over to him. We introduced ourselves and my Mom told him what a wonderful time we were having. She then told him about my cancer and that I would be starting chemo the next week. When she said that Michael put one hand on my head and said, "God Bless you." We had dinner with Michael and his children that night and to this day it was the best night of my life. After dinner he asked my parents if it would be ok if he prayed to god with us and of course they said yes. I had never and still to this day have never heard anyone pray the way he did. At fifteen years old it made me cry. 1/2

and this is why religion is such bullshit, I really can't respect the mental capacities of a religious person, yeah I can concede you that there is a creator/s, but you just believe fake idols

>It's true
What the frick.
>The US talk show host Larry King was dismissed as a witness in the Michael Jackson trial yesterday after saying that a lawyer who once met the accuser's family told him they were just out for money and the mother was "wacko". Mr King told the court, without the jury present, that the attorney, Larry Feldman, met him before the trial and said he would not represent the Arvizo family because he did not find their claims credible.
>Mr Feldman was contacted by the accuser's family after they left Mr Jackson's estate in 2003. Larry King said Mr Feldman had told him "the mother was a 'wacko'."
>Later, another witness testified that the accuser's mother had once praised Mr Jackson and had never complained that they had been held against their will at his estate.
>Azya Pryor, an actress and family friend, said the mother never spoke critically of Mr Jackson during long telephone calls, and gave every impression of having participated willingly in the rebuttal video.
>The judge also ruled against testimony by a publisher, Michael Viner, who was present during Mr King's meeting with Mr Feldman. A defence memo filed previously summarised Mr Viner's testimony. "Viner recalled that Feldman had referred to the mother as 'a flake' and said he did not believe the boy," the memo said.

There's no explanation for how MJ was able to overcome the israelites basically using every institution in the world together against one man and not only failing to dint his popularity at all but actually having the reverse effect in causing more people to defend him than ever other than him actually being the 2nd incarnation of Christ