Modern Doctor Doom is a villain sue, change my mind

Modern Doctor Doom is a villain sue, change my mind

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    TVTropes is for homosexuals

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He is.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Modern
    That was 7 years ago

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Doomwank in Secret Wars was off the charts. He only lost because the final issue came around. And even then, Doom gets his face fixed and never faces any repercussions for his actions.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Doom gets his face fixed and never faces any repercussions for his actions.
      Youtubers will praise this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ-kClO560I seriously look at the comments of the Doctor Doom videos of any type and you think these people are a bunch of groupies

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Hasn't it always been the case ? Doomgays are well known to be obnoxious whenever it comes to him.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe these Doom worship will die out once he's put into the MCU, once in the mainstream, Doctor Doom character appreciation will become more nuanced and his more diehard fans will finally be exposed to the mainstream public and be derided as cringe

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >and never faces any repercussions for his actions.
      What actions? Saving reality when everyone else, including Dr. "I've come to bargain" Strange failed?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, the reason Doom lost was because he admitted to Reed that he know Reed would've found a way to save everyone if he was in the same position. Molecule Man hears this and strips the power from Doom. Why did you think the heroes were fighting Doom in the first place? Out of jealousy?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          At this point I wouldn't be surprised if comic writers of today wrote comic books which featured superheroes fighting Doom because of their jealousy, frick, they do it out of misunderstandings

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The whole event is about him being a poor god, constantly doubts himself and gets called out througout the main book.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Doom is a fricking PUNK.

    Everyone talks about how horrible a villain he is, yet every damn one of his reads, at least the ones that I've seen or been suggested to see by Cinemaphile, depict him as more of a fricking antihero than an actual villain.

    Joker -- Killed Jason Todd, paralyzed Barbara, killed Sarah, etc.

    Magneto -- Ripped Wolverine's fricking skeleton out

    Green Goblin -- Killed Gwen Stacy, all of the psychological damage to his own fricking son

    Doom -- The homie delivered Reed Richards' child.

    His big "act of villainy" there was just NAMING THE GIRL. Sure, you can toss out the whole "oh well he was proving that he could do something that Richards couldn't, he could help his family when Richards could not", or the bs "Oh well he's a classy motherfricker dohoho/he's an honorable villain" crap out there, but when it comes down to it, Doom hasn't done SHIT.

    That all being said, Doom crying at 9/11 wasn't any sort of break in character or anything to me. Hell, I would even go as far to say that it was entirely IN character.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >antihero
      >sends out doombots everywhere
      Is this bait?
      >Doom crying at 9/11
      Wasn't the Joker pissed off when someone pointed out he was working with a literal Nazi?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That version of Joker was from the Superman & Batman: Generations comics, so he was not as psychotic as the mainline Joker and thus rather not work with a Nazi, The Dark Knight Returns Joker had a Nazi themed henchwoman though

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Doom skinned his childhood lover alive, wore a suit of her flesh, sent baby Franklin Richards to hell to be tortured for months and himself tortured Sue, Reed and Ben for months. He warped all of reality and used that power to steal reed's life and impregnate Sue with his own version of Valeria and Franklin. He conquered the world. He destroyed an entire dimension. He made a chair out of Ben Grimm's flayed skin. Any of that edgy enough for you?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        And yet somehow, Valeria still likes hanging out with him and recently Franklin trusted him enough to let him try to fix his mutant powers.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You know how children are, ignorant and stupid, also when do those events happen in the comics, what issue?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            X-Men/Fantastic Four. Throughout the whole thing they have a very casual "I know you're up to something/don't trust me but I also know I'm the only one you can talk to about shit like this" thing going on, which really shines in this gem from #4. Keep in mind, that in context this is AFTER Doom sic'd Doom Sentinels on the filthy muties. Val doesn't care, she just sees it as Uncle Doom being silly again.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Uncle Doom
              If only that was sarcasm

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, how it ain't. I'm not a Doomgay, but whatever your personal opinion on the character it is canon Val trusts and respects Doom more than her own father in certain respects and circumstances.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Val trusts and respects Doom more than her own father
                That's actually changed recently. I'll give some credit to Slott but when Doom kidnapped her family and tried to execute them she stopped favoring and even said she doesn't trust him that much anymore. I always thought of Val as the main reason Doom dropped his grudge against the F4 but when he went back on that, she started losing faith in him and sided with her family more.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Secret Wars 2015 was outright bad, but I don't like Doom anyways.
    Wasn't really a fan of him showing up in Ewing's GotG

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This can be said about all the big villains, Joker, Thanos, etc...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You will find Youtube videos and comments criticizing Joker and Thanos though, nothing like that for goodboy Doom of course

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like Hickman is the big offender about this. Most writers seem to get he's bluster. I didn't read that Cantwell series though.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why does Hickman suck so much as a writer?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The "I was a god and found it beneath me" was in the context of comic cope, he found the infinity guantlet off a dead alternate Reed, shaped reality for a bit and than was kicked out by his own uncounsious.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on the writer, most the time DOOM's bult up to usually fail horribly due to his own pettiness

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That was early Doom too, not like nowadays, even his personality flaws are glorified by writers

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    nothing wrong with Doom. frick america. frick nato

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >F4 is Stan Lee favorite comics
    >F4 is shown saving the world from omnipotent beings all the time even more than the Avengers

    It's not Doom fault, he's wanked to be on Reed lvl, just like Joker needs to be the smartest clown in the multiverse to be Batman main rival.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This most people's complaints about Doom and Joker are just faults of the overarching problem of power creep.
      As Reed became Reed Richard "The smartest man in the multiverse" who can do anything, doom also became a near-godlike genius who could do anything.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So like Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    And?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And Doctor Doom is practically the mascot for character shilling in comic books, up there with Batman

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Meh, I like Doom as a villain and think he should get a stand alone film one of these days.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Getting a stand alone film for him will guaranteed that some executive director or some other Hollywood hack will make him an "Anti-hero" like what Sony did with Venom and Morbius

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't really have to.
    It could just be from his perspective and motives where he fully thinks he is the only man capable of truly saving the world by becoming it's ruler.
    And have faith that the audience can understand that his actions as well as flaws as a person are what makes him to his core a villain even if his internal motives are kinda sorta good.

    Wouldn't even have to be all that creative, as it's laid out in the comics. I think it would work while still keeping is villainous edge.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Good story and idea, but the point of this post

      Getting a stand alone film for him will guaranteed that some executive director or some other Hollywood hack will make him an "Anti-hero" like what Sony did with Venom and Morbius

      is that Hollywood would never try picking up on a idea like that, not even the MCU

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's not like it would happen as long as hollywood can't get Fantastic 4 off the ground.
        There is no way they would produce a Doom stand alone film until they have a popular version of fantastic 4 as money printer set up first.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      At that point, I'd just want a Luthor film.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        But Luthor's motives or goals were almost never good.
        It was always about stroking his ego at the end of the day. He doesn't believe in anything higher then himself.
        Doom at least thinks the things he does are for the greater good most of the time.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Doesn't Doom think of the things that he is doing as the greater good specifically because he's a narcissist that believes all his actions are well intentions and justified. Sounds like ego stroking to me

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Ego is what drives him. That's an amazing springboard to jump into without falling into muh antihero because Luthor is a cunning narcissist with delusions of grandeur that can actually back his words up.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I will never be able to take a character called Doctor Doom seriously.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You can try suspension of disbelief, but there's a certain limit to it like all things that exist

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I want Victor von Douche to be in the MCU just so he can get the standard MCU villain treatment and die

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    OP is right. Doom is a flat character

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