The Doomwank in Secret Wars was off the charts. He only lost because the final issue came around. And even then, Doom gets his face fixed and never faces any repercussions for his actions.
>Doom gets his face fixed and never faces any repercussions for his actions.
Youtubers will praise this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ-kClO560I seriously look at the comments of the Doctor Doom videos of any type and you think these people are a bunch of groupies
Maybe these Doom worship will die out once he's put into the MCU, once in the mainstream, Doctor Doom character appreciation will become more nuanced and his more diehard fans will finally be exposed to the mainstream public and be derided as cringe
>and never faces any repercussions for his actions.
What actions? Saving reality when everyone else, including Dr. "I've come to bargain" Strange failed?
Anon, the reason Doom lost was because he admitted to Reed that he know Reed would've found a way to save everyone if he was in the same position. Molecule Man hears this and strips the power from Doom. Why did you think the heroes were fighting Doom in the first place? Out of jealousy?
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if comic writers of today wrote comic books which featured superheroes fighting Doom because of their jealousy, frick, they do it out of misunderstandings
Everyone talks about how horrible a villain he is, yet every damn one of his reads, at least the ones that I've seen or been suggested to see by Cinemaphile, depict him as more of a fricking antihero than an actual villain.
Joker -- Killed Jason Todd, paralyzed Barbara, killed Sarah, etc.
Magneto -- Ripped Wolverine's fricking skeleton out
Green Goblin -- Killed Gwen Stacy, all of the psychological damage to his own fricking son
Doom -- The homie delivered Reed Richards' child.
His big "act of villainy" there was just NAMING THE GIRL. Sure, you can toss out the whole "oh well he was proving that he could do something that Richards couldn't, he could help his family when Richards could not", or the bs "Oh well he's a classy motherfricker dohoho/he's an honorable villain" crap out there, but when it comes down to it, Doom hasn't done SHIT.
That all being said, Doom crying at 9/11 wasn't any sort of break in character or anything to me. Hell, I would even go as far to say that it was entirely IN character.
>antihero >sends out doombots everywhere
Is this bait? >Doom crying at 9/11
Wasn't the Joker pissed off when someone pointed out he was working with a literal Nazi?
That version of Joker was from the Superman & Batman: Generations comics, so he was not as psychotic as the mainline Joker and thus rather not work with a Nazi, The Dark Knight Returns Joker had a Nazi themed henchwoman though
Doom skinned his childhood lover alive, wore a suit of her flesh, sent baby Franklin Richards to hell to be tortured for months and himself tortured Sue, Reed and Ben for months. He warped all of reality and used that power to steal reed's life and impregnate Sue with his own version of Valeria and Franklin. He conquered the world. He destroyed an entire dimension. He made a chair out of Ben Grimm's flayed skin. Any of that edgy enough for you?
X-Men/Fantastic Four. Throughout the whole thing they have a very casual "I know you're up to something/don't trust me but I also know I'm the only one you can talk to about shit like this" thing going on, which really shines in this gem from #4. Keep in mind, that in context this is AFTER Doom sic'd Doom Sentinels on the filthy muties. Val doesn't care, she just sees it as Uncle Doom being silly again.
Oh, how it ain't. I'm not a Doomgay, but whatever your personal opinion on the character it is canon Val trusts and respects Doom more than her own father in certain respects and circumstances.
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>Val trusts and respects Doom more than her own father
That's actually changed recently. I'll give some credit to Slott but when Doom kidnapped her family and tried to execute them she stopped favoring and even said she doesn't trust him that much anymore. I always thought of Val as the main reason Doom dropped his grudge against the F4 but when he went back on that, she started losing faith in him and sided with her family more.
The "I was a god and found it beneath me" was in the context of comic cope, he found the infinity guantlet off a dead alternate Reed, shaped reality for a bit and than was kicked out by his own uncounsious.
This most people's complaints about Doom and Joker are just faults of the overarching problem of power creep.
As Reed became Reed Richard "The smartest man in the multiverse" who can do anything, doom also became a near-godlike genius who could do anything.
Getting a stand alone film for him will guaranteed that some executive director or some other Hollywood hack will make him an "Anti-hero" like what Sony did with Venom and Morbius
It doesn't really have to.
It could just be from his perspective and motives where he fully thinks he is the only man capable of truly saving the world by becoming it's ruler.
And have faith that the audience can understand that his actions as well as flaws as a person are what makes him to his core a villain even if his internal motives are kinda sorta good.
Wouldn't even have to be all that creative, as it's laid out in the comics. I think it would work while still keeping is villainous edge.
Getting a stand alone film for him will guaranteed that some executive director or some other Hollywood hack will make him an "Anti-hero" like what Sony did with Venom and Morbius
is that Hollywood would never try picking up on a idea like that, not even the MCU
It's not like it would happen as long as hollywood can't get Fantastic 4 off the ground.
There is no way they would produce a Doom stand alone film until they have a popular version of fantastic 4 as money printer set up first.
But Luthor's motives or goals were almost never good.
It was always about stroking his ego at the end of the day. He doesn't believe in anything higher then himself.
Doom at least thinks the things he does are for the greater good most of the time.
Doesn't Doom think of the things that he is doing as the greater good specifically because he's a narcissist that believes all his actions are well intentions and justified. Sounds like ego stroking to me
Ego is what drives him. That's an amazing springboard to jump into without falling into muh antihero because Luthor is a cunning narcissist with delusions of grandeur that can actually back his words up.
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He is.
>Modern
That was 7 years ago
The Doomwank in Secret Wars was off the charts. He only lost because the final issue came around. And even then, Doom gets his face fixed and never faces any repercussions for his actions.
>Doom gets his face fixed and never faces any repercussions for his actions.
Youtubers will praise this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ-kClO560I seriously look at the comments of the Doctor Doom videos of any type and you think these people are a bunch of groupies
Hasn't it always been the case ? Doomgays are well known to be obnoxious whenever it comes to him.
Maybe these Doom worship will die out once he's put into the MCU, once in the mainstream, Doctor Doom character appreciation will become more nuanced and his more diehard fans will finally be exposed to the mainstream public and be derided as cringe
>and never faces any repercussions for his actions.
What actions? Saving reality when everyone else, including Dr. "I've come to bargain" Strange failed?
Anon, the reason Doom lost was because he admitted to Reed that he know Reed would've found a way to save everyone if he was in the same position. Molecule Man hears this and strips the power from Doom. Why did you think the heroes were fighting Doom in the first place? Out of jealousy?
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if comic writers of today wrote comic books which featured superheroes fighting Doom because of their jealousy, frick, they do it out of misunderstandings
The whole event is about him being a poor god, constantly doubts himself and gets called out througout the main book.
Doom is a fricking PUNK.
Everyone talks about how horrible a villain he is, yet every damn one of his reads, at least the ones that I've seen or been suggested to see by Cinemaphile, depict him as more of a fricking antihero than an actual villain.
Joker -- Killed Jason Todd, paralyzed Barbara, killed Sarah, etc.
Magneto -- Ripped Wolverine's fricking skeleton out
Green Goblin -- Killed Gwen Stacy, all of the psychological damage to his own fricking son
Doom -- The homie delivered Reed Richards' child.
His big "act of villainy" there was just NAMING THE GIRL. Sure, you can toss out the whole "oh well he was proving that he could do something that Richards couldn't, he could help his family when Richards could not", or the bs "Oh well he's a classy motherfricker dohoho/he's an honorable villain" crap out there, but when it comes down to it, Doom hasn't done SHIT.
That all being said, Doom crying at 9/11 wasn't any sort of break in character or anything to me. Hell, I would even go as far to say that it was entirely IN character.
>antihero
>sends out doombots everywhere
Is this bait?
>Doom crying at 9/11
Wasn't the Joker pissed off when someone pointed out he was working with a literal Nazi?
That version of Joker was from the Superman & Batman: Generations comics, so he was not as psychotic as the mainline Joker and thus rather not work with a Nazi, The Dark Knight Returns Joker had a Nazi themed henchwoman though
Doom skinned his childhood lover alive, wore a suit of her flesh, sent baby Franklin Richards to hell to be tortured for months and himself tortured Sue, Reed and Ben for months. He warped all of reality and used that power to steal reed's life and impregnate Sue with his own version of Valeria and Franklin. He conquered the world. He destroyed an entire dimension. He made a chair out of Ben Grimm's flayed skin. Any of that edgy enough for you?
And yet somehow, Valeria still likes hanging out with him and recently Franklin trusted him enough to let him try to fix his mutant powers.
You know how children are, ignorant and stupid, also when do those events happen in the comics, what issue?
X-Men/Fantastic Four. Throughout the whole thing they have a very casual "I know you're up to something/don't trust me but I also know I'm the only one you can talk to about shit like this" thing going on, which really shines in this gem from #4. Keep in mind, that in context this is AFTER Doom sic'd Doom Sentinels on the filthy muties. Val doesn't care, she just sees it as Uncle Doom being silly again.
>Uncle Doom
If only that was sarcasm
Oh, how it ain't. I'm not a Doomgay, but whatever your personal opinion on the character it is canon Val trusts and respects Doom more than her own father in certain respects and circumstances.
>Val trusts and respects Doom more than her own father
That's actually changed recently. I'll give some credit to Slott but when Doom kidnapped her family and tried to execute them she stopped favoring and even said she doesn't trust him that much anymore. I always thought of Val as the main reason Doom dropped his grudge against the F4 but when he went back on that, she started losing faith in him and sided with her family more.
Secret Wars 2015 was outright bad, but I don't like Doom anyways.
Wasn't really a fan of him showing up in Ewing's GotG
This can be said about all the big villains, Joker, Thanos, etc...
You will find Youtube videos and comments criticizing Joker and Thanos though, nothing like that for goodboy Doom of course
I feel like Hickman is the big offender about this. Most writers seem to get he's bluster. I didn't read that Cantwell series though.
Why does Hickman suck so much as a writer?
The "I was a god and found it beneath me" was in the context of comic cope, he found the infinity guantlet off a dead alternate Reed, shaped reality for a bit and than was kicked out by his own uncounsious.
Depends on the writer, most the time DOOM's bult up to usually fail horribly due to his own pettiness
That was early Doom too, not like nowadays, even his personality flaws are glorified by writers
nothing wrong with Doom. frick america. frick nato
>F4 is Stan Lee favorite comics
>F4 is shown saving the world from omnipotent beings all the time even more than the Avengers
It's not Doom fault, he's wanked to be on Reed lvl, just like Joker needs to be the smartest clown in the multiverse to be Batman main rival.
This most people's complaints about Doom and Joker are just faults of the overarching problem of power creep.
As Reed became Reed Richard "The smartest man in the multiverse" who can do anything, doom also became a near-godlike genius who could do anything.
So like Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty
And?
And Doctor Doom is practically the mascot for character shilling in comic books, up there with Batman
Meh, I like Doom as a villain and think he should get a stand alone film one of these days.
Getting a stand alone film for him will guaranteed that some executive director or some other Hollywood hack will make him an "Anti-hero" like what Sony did with Venom and Morbius
It doesn't really have to.
It could just be from his perspective and motives where he fully thinks he is the only man capable of truly saving the world by becoming it's ruler.
And have faith that the audience can understand that his actions as well as flaws as a person are what makes him to his core a villain even if his internal motives are kinda sorta good.
Wouldn't even have to be all that creative, as it's laid out in the comics. I think it would work while still keeping is villainous edge.
Good story and idea, but the point of this post
is that Hollywood would never try picking up on a idea like that, not even the MCU
It's not like it would happen as long as hollywood can't get Fantastic 4 off the ground.
There is no way they would produce a Doom stand alone film until they have a popular version of fantastic 4 as money printer set up first.
At that point, I'd just want a Luthor film.
But Luthor's motives or goals were almost never good.
It was always about stroking his ego at the end of the day. He doesn't believe in anything higher then himself.
Doom at least thinks the things he does are for the greater good most of the time.
Doesn't Doom think of the things that he is doing as the greater good specifically because he's a narcissist that believes all his actions are well intentions and justified. Sounds like ego stroking to me
Ego is what drives him. That's an amazing springboard to jump into without falling into muh antihero because Luthor is a cunning narcissist with delusions of grandeur that can actually back his words up.
I will never be able to take a character called Doctor Doom seriously.
You can try suspension of disbelief, but there's a certain limit to it like all things that exist
I want Victor von Douche to be in the MCU just so he can get the standard MCU villain treatment and die
OP is right. Doom is a flat character