>enormous sets
>beautiful untouched nature
>enormous well choreographed battle scenes full of special effects and thousands of armored extras
>budget accounting for inflation: 33 million dollars
Anyone who believes modern movies are telling the truth about their budgets is fricking moronic, every "superhero stands in a green room and talks to himself while indians get paid pennies to draw stuff around him" movie supposedly costs 100m plus nowadays, its fricking nonsense, its money laundering, pure and simple.
anon this is incredibly old news.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
>thousands of armored extras running around, blood splattering, guns firing, an entire fricking castle burning down, fog machines, smoke, special lighting, dozens of horses stampeding around:
33 million
>New comedy where Jennifer Lawrence gets her breasts out:
45 million
and yet nobody I talk to outside of this site(hell even inside of this site sometimes) believes it or knows about it
explain this moron how this works exactly
it's not some magic way of conjuring up trillions of bux as some brainlets make it out to be. it's just shifting numbers for the sake of tax evasion on profitable films. all you can do with it is minimize taxation on sucessful projects
>muh Hollywood accounting
>muh tax evasion
>muh money laundering
All dumb Black person explanations. Hollywood accounting is entirely to screw over actors and crew, and doesn't even stand up to legal scruitiny when challenged in the courts. The company creates subsidiaries who charge fees larger than the film's budget, so they just shift money around, so the technical company that produces Harry Potter, or Return of the Jedi makes no money, but the PARENT company makes money.
Actors foolishly will ask for a cut of the revenue from the box office and sales, but since the movie lost money they don't get that cut at all. This is the net profit. GRoss profit is the overall money the movie made for the entire parent company which is the real money.
Net = fantasy shifting around
Gross = real money
Actors like Jack Nicholson got a percentage of the Gross and made serious bucks.
Since investors are not invested in these bullshit random production companies that only exist on paper, they invest in the parent company. They want and get the real actual info. That's why the tax filings and investor filings are accurate, and if not they could be sued for fraud. Investors have money, while random ass actors likely don't have the funds to stand up to a hollywood studio.
>All dumb Black person explanations. Hollywood accounting is entirely to screw over actors and crew, and doesn't even stand up to legal scruitiny when challenged in the courts.
that is just one aspect göring. participations were about 10% of revenue of star-studded avengers endgame, tax evasion is at least as relevant.
less saluting more thinking next time so ka
I think it's crazier with animated movies. 150-200 million is the average budget of a Pixar or Disney movie now. And I assume a huge portion of the money just goes to the voice actors who are doing even less work than usual
surely a huge number of man hours are going into asset and scene creation. do they recycle assets?
100%. I think I heard some French film production house offered Kurosawa a blank check to do whatever he wanted because Kurosawa was breaking the balls of his financiers by hoping to make the most expensive Japanese film ever conceived. Crazy to think despite that it's still a very modest budget for one of the greatest spectacles put to film.
I will say that actors are more inflated now than they were before. The pay alone for a B list actor as a support character is more than it has ever been. Same happened to soccer stars with the advent of broadcasting and commercialization of the sport. Shit soccer players now make more than any star of yesteryear.
How much of the above is related to ~~**~~ I cannot say. Either way its fricked lmao.
its always ~~**~~
What kind of shitty axe is that even?
Looks like a metal celt. Pretty shitty tool for murder imo.
I never understood what the hell I was doing in that game. It's definitely one of Atlus' weirdest.
Eh, I can see them spending way more money on production than they should with the way they do literally everything in CGI nowadays and production is always running into problems and they have to go back and reshoot things.
>Eh, I can see them spending way more money on production than they should with the way they do literally everything in CGI nowadays
The point of doing it that way is that it's cheaper than practical effects, especially via outsourcing, moron.
>production is always running into problems and they have to go back and reshoot things.
Ran wasn't immune to any of that, dumbass.
What's your point? Technology has made things more expensive overall and is more work for the VFX artists who are getting stretched thin and doing less quality work. Besides, shit like Nick Fury's CGI gun is retrded when a prop gun already exists and it's extra time and effort to make the gun.
Movies always can have production issues, but when they start with a shit script, film most of the movie, do focus groups that hate it, then they have to go back and completely redo everything. All that time and work adds up and it's not just regular production issues.
>Technology has made things more expensive overall
No it absolutely fricking hasn't you moron, and even if it did they could just NOT USE IT
Lmao, the main culprit (as has already been stated) is ballooning actor salaries. Feels more like a bubble as time passes since the true movie star that's an automatic box office draw is a dying breed; not to mention the erosion of basic moviemaking skills across the board in the industry. Stop apologizing for expensive slop.
CGI, actor salories, are the two main causes. We're past hte point of "bankable" actors, which likely was due to just being very little media so a few people would dominate. Now there's too many people to get attached to. And many of these big stars are 50+ or outright geriatric which means they are not a draw. Harrison Ford likely got like 20 million for Indy which is just ridiculous. Imagine they spent like 20+ more million on de-aging and CGI? For a few million they could have just casted a young handsome actor who could do stunts.
>they do literally everything in CGI nowadays and production is always running into problems and they have to go back and reshoot things
what the actual frick? are you moronic? they film in motion capture suits and big room everything these days. What is there to reshoot? What you mean is the sorry excuse for writing and the total lack of edited, complete scripts means they get to the editing portion of the process and realize they have a small steaming pile of dogshit that needs some more turds added. to be a big pile. Nobody is in a hurry to settle the WGA strike because they are trying shake the tree until all the nut have fallen off.
>production is always running into problems and they have to go back and reshoot things.
I thought the point of all the CGI was so that they didn't have to reshoot things. And when they do shoot something, it's with a digital camera, not expensive film.
>Anyone who believes modern movies are telling the truth about their budgets is fricking moronic,
If they made Ran the Marvel/Disney way it would cost 333 million anon. Endless CGI and greenscreen is extremely time consuming and expensive. Live Action Mulan would be a good comparison. Is it pissing away money? 100% absolutely true. But it creates movies FAST with control moving to producers and execs, which is exactly what they want. Jackie Chan talks about how in Hong Kong they were perfectionists, doing shot after shot until it was right, but in Hollywood it was all about speed of moving from shot to shot as quickly as possible with as few takes as possible.
You could make a Ran every few years. Or you could make dozens of D+ marvel and Star Wars series, and like 6 films a year. This is what they WANT to do, and it doesn't matter if it costs 200-300 million because they were all gonna make 800-1.5 billion. Now of course that model is collapsing, so yes, maybe they should make films for 20-60 million which seems to the sweet spot?
what a fricking depressing picture
While CGI effects might seem like amateur shit in lot of movies, that part of industry has also grown like hell for last couple decades, but demand for effects has also grown even faster. So that is another money hole.
>maybe they should make films for 20-60 million which seems to the sweet spot?
Too many risks, drop in home video sales and death of home video rentals is what killedmedium budget cinema and allowed making more risky movies that didn't have appease everyone. That secondary market allowed making money from movies that might have been minor bombs in theaters. Streaming rights might not pay as well as DVD/BR bit over decade ago. Also massive franchise tentpole productions provided better return for investment about decade ago.
>Anyone who believes modern movies are telling the truth about their budgets is fricking moronic,
They're actually lying about budgets but the other way around. These films likely cost more and they were using early low balling estimates for public consumption. Later on they have to use the real numbers for investors in the reports, but they try to bury those numbers.
>Star Wars: The Force Awakens has become the most expensive movie ever made with a total budget of $533.2 million (£446.3 million) according to recent filings.
>As the graph below shows, the closest competitor to The Force Awakens was 2019's The Rise of Skywalker which cost $503.6 million (£421.5 million) to make.
>Disney has received a staggering $389 million (£325.6 million) in reimbursements from the UK government with $86.6 million (£72.5 million) of it paid for The Force Awakens bringing its net costs to $446.6 million. However, even taking this into account, The Force Awakens still takes center stage as the most expensive of the six Star Wars productions that Disney has made in the UK as can be seen on the graph below.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/02/26/star-wars-the-force-awakens-becomes-the-most-expensive-movie-in-history/
Being fair, with inflation taken into account, this would have costed about 100 million today. Kinda like how Ben Hur had a 15 million dollar budget but adjusted to inflation its like 160 million.
Despite that its true that nowadays are much more expensive for no apparent reason. Plus some directors of those B movies made in netflix or prime (like the ones Bruce Willis has been doing lately) literally admited that some of those movies are just tax write ofs, so theres that.
33 million IS the number with inflation, its original budget was 11 mil
man i really wanna see this but all the region 2 blurays and dvd's look like absolute holy shit
...t-torrent.. ?
well i'd prefer to actually have a nice physical version but you're right i guess
Torrent then burn it in a disk. If you're worried about the ethics just buy a shitty blu-ray too.
>physical media lel
best Kurosawa film and one of the greatest ever
consider other big production Hollywood films from the same era
>The Last Emperor $23M
>Out of Africa $30M
>Gandhi $22M
>Passage to India $17M
>Rambo $25M
>Indiana Jones 3 $48M
>The Abyss $47M
Gandhi wasn't hollywood
and Raiders' budget was $20M, only nine years before Last Crusade
really makes me think
Yes, the trend is that the films budget just kept getting higher and higher after the 1980's. And it's not just inflation either. Push that all the way to today where 100 million is a "cheap" film, and 200-300 million are common for big budget films.
Most big films from the 80's and 90's work out to like 60 million in today's money. I think Terminator 2 was the first big over 100 million dollar film.
>no cgi
no thx
>money laundering
But it's not, though. Rich people don't have to launder money because they don't pay taxes anyway. They inflate their budgets for tax credits and other tax issues.
What rich people actually DO is invest their money in off-shore tax havens. The Panama Papers revealed a bunch of this. No one can explain what the "money laundering" supposedly is for at all. They're just explaining one mystery with another, and largley just using their own ignorance as proof.
The reshoots they're talking about are like reshooting the entire ending like in a lot of modern films. That means effectively making a new movie, since shooting has wrapped up and everyone went home. It's very costly and expensive. It's widely speculated that the last 25% of Indiana Jones is entirely a new reshoot as it's quite awkward.
Watch more silents.
do you ever find it hard to watch silent movies because the ragtime piano music that goes with them is sometimes complete shit? sometimes its even just randomly added by the people doing the modern release and not even original.
silent movies need better soundtracks, no ragtime piano but actual good ambient music designed to fit the film
>silent movies need better soundtracks, no ragtime piano but actual good ambient music designed to fit the film
It depends on the film, and many had live orchestras playing along. Someone made a score for Joan of Arc and it's pretty solid.
if it's a cheapo company then they'll grab the shittiest public domain music and slap it on. sometimes the good labels will commission an original score.
Lol no thanks...you can keep them
>missing out on probably the best film in history because muh talkies
brainlet moment
Ok lol...have fun with that, I'm sure you enjoy it.
And you go watch Infinity War for the 10th time 🙂
Reminder that Japan didn’t give a frick about Kurosawa and he was only propped up by western critics.
too busy watching anime
I don't give a frick what japan thinks
I've tried to explain this to Cinemaphile many times but most people who post here are somewhat moronic.
The gigantic budgets also bring another problem to the table.
If your movie costs 200+ million you are 100% obligated to make a mediocre risk free movie that tries to appeal to everyone.
The whole point of this thread is that Ran had a 200+ million budget for its time and was bold, daring, difficult, artistic, and remembered as one of the great movies in cinema history.
Once you add that budget the execs and the corporate suits start asking questions. "How is this gonna appeal to the global south?" "How about we add some comic relief?" "how about we add a strong female character?" "how about we tone down some of the grim elements of story?" "how about a black side kick who raps?"
etc. They water it down, remove all the rough edges. Send the script trhough like 12 committees and story groups (mostly filled with women) who try to "modernize" King Lear for the modern audience.
Ok, but Ran wasn't like that, not to mention other movies that weren't like that, and were successful. It's a possibility Hollywood doesn't want to face for a variety of reasons but it IS a possibility., That you can pour money into an artistic endeavor, keep your hands off of it, and get rewarded.
I have absolutely no idea where movie budgets go except for marketing
they all look so cheap
if you told me Nostalgia Critic made every single Hollywood movie in last 10 years I'd believe you, they are all youtube amateur tier. There's 0 effects, 0 anything (except for Tom Cruise movies) there's no possible place for money to go. There's no way any o fthese movies cost more than 1 mil in reality but they all lie to cost over 200 mil, which is just not possible. They dont film them long, they dont hire many people, there's no effects except for shitty green screen. There's literally nowhere for money to go they have got to cost under 1 million
Actors' salaries have gone up too.
Johnny Depp cost the studio $90 million to do Pirates of the Caribbean 5, which is somewhere between half and 1/3 of its total budget.
everyone ITT: take your meds
>t. zoom zoom
it's just straight incompetence simple as they need 10 times more to accomplish 10x less now. Inefficiency of the capitalist free market system in late stage capitalism.
There are a lot of costs you're not taking into account in movies these days.
Like what?
RAISE THE RED LATERN
People were payed and treated like cattle, if they were even payed at all. Children were overworked, animals constantly died. It was raw and kino, but it was bad for the lowly individuals.