If you love Babylon 5 so damn much, why don't you go make a thread about it instead of stanning it in every thread that mentions DS9? Personally, I couldn't get over all the crappy '90s sfx and /...ACTING!!!/ going on, even if the overall plot was incredible.
While I'm a big Babylon 5 fan, I have a difficult time to recommend it to people who haven't seen it because it really is a product of its time. The SFX were amazing for a tv show of that era, especially for an independent production but yes, it does look dated now, especially on a big screen. Watching it in the 90s on a 19" tv in 480i was great. The computer displays also suffer because they were created by computers of the era while shows like DS9 used custom printed glass panels. I'd also mention some of the puppetry of alien races but TNG had some pretty bad episodes with the same problem.
these two opinions are a very clear sign of an underdeveloped brain. literally every person who thinks this has the mind of a teenager (even though most of them are in their 30s or older)
Babylon 5 has very few standalone episodes because it was meant to be a five year long story. Season 3, Episode 4: 'Passing Through Gethsemane' is mostly stand alone if you just want to get a feel for the show.
it's community theater tier acting but a much better planned and written story with extremely compelling characters. Garibaldi is Chad Odo (channeling a bit of Dennis Miller). Londo and G'Kar have a much better and poignant rivalry than Odo and Quark and their initial hatred for each other is more palpable and believable than Kira and Dukat. Also Bruce Boxleitner/Sheridan just brings this positive aw-shucks energy that brightens up every scene he's in and that's something that balances the grimdark. On DS9 they used Ferengi/comedy to balance the grimdark but that meant the balancing episodes were contrast rather than interwoven into the arcs.
But the dialogue is very overwrought so be prepared for that. Imagine Kirk reading the preamble to the Consitution in every episode. Choose wisely.
>but a much better planned and written story with extremely compelling characters
Somewhat. I like B5 a lot but it's a good example of what can go awry with planning almost as much as it is an example of what can go right with planning, and a handful of major characters never really develop into much. There's a lot to appreciate in it, though. Londo and G'Kar most obviously.
I've tried to watch Babylon 5 but I can't get over the giant bald gay nig with the golden thing on his forehead.
I know scifi is scifi but what the frick.
>Sisko's relationship with Jake >Sisko's relationship with Dax >Sisko's relationship with Kira >Sisko's relationship with Dukat >Sisko's relationship with Worf >Sisko's relationship with Quark >Sisko's relationship with Weyoun >Sisko's relationship with Kai Wynn
Sisko has more depth and character than all the other captains combined
it's by no means bad, but it's just not very interesting in the scope of science fiction, also, the bajorans are obnoxious and take up so much valuable screen time with their stupid space alien superstition politics.
The only episode of DS9 I skipped was the one where they were writers for a sci-fi magazine in the 1950s. The series in general doesn't go into 20th century race issue very often but it was obvious where that particular episode was going so I skipped it.
sisko getting butthurt about 1960s earth being represented in a holodeck was really weird given the fact that he's a human being living in a superfederation hundreds of years in the future with the implications of its verdant society and expansion beyond pettiness and other failings
It's worth it to hear Jake say "Black folk on the Moon" with a hard R. And to see all the cast out of makeup. Give it a shot also to see Avery Brooks have a nervous breakdown while the rest of the cast looks distinctly uncomfortable.
For me, the Visitor was terrible - gay porn tier acting.
I liked that aspect, with the cast being able to take on new roles (particularly ones we only saw under layers of makeup and masks), and the story was interesting. The trippy existential question was a nice science fiction classic, and a nice departure for the largely immobile setting of DS9.
People might not like Avery Brook's race war shit but the highlight of the episode is how everyone aside from Brooks is giving better performances than usual.
Star Trek actors always give better performances in the "we had access to costumes from the studio next door" because they can have fun and play different characters than the ones they do in the regular episodes.
I prefer TOS and TNG, but DS9 is still great. My biggest issue with it is that despite all the fuss over the ongoing war plot, said plot doesn't develop in a terribly engaging way, with a lot of the resolution being rough. Seasons 3 and 4 were surprisingly my favorites.
3-6 is the sweet spot
1 and 2 are pretty good though occasionally dull.
7 is half pretty good and half moronic. It has some pretty camp moments at least. It was also wrapped up a bit clumsily.
Some Bajoran episodes are pretty good. Especially if Wynn shows up.
I like that they tried to show the diplomatic workings of the Federation and Bajor over a long period centered around one planet, where in TNG and TOS you'd get lots of quicker views into many different planets.
The religious stuff can be a drag though it serves the overall narrative and worldbuilding they were going for.
I see people complain about the Bajorans all the time like the show is constantly trying to kiss their ass, but they are obviously portrayed fairly complexly and often negatively. Like you can understand why Dukat feels the way he does about them after the occupation, even if the occupation was still obviously terrible.
It's pretty well done even if its not always exciting or interesting in a sci fi way.
I think most of the people who rant about Bajoran's here do so because of the comparisons to israelites.
the bajorans are genuinely annoying, and drag down half the episodes they are in.
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They are supposed to be. You are not always supposed to sympathize with them. That is part of my point.
Besides the annoyance caused by Bajoran's fuels your enjoyment for Dukat
Episodes like Duet clearly shows that there is nothing inherently wrong with Bajor. A world dealing with finding its own footing and the resulting power vacuums combined with their natural spirituality versus their newfound militarism is very interesting as a concept.
They just made most characters and the writing really shitty, for the most part. They could have done with more characters, all we ever got was Kais, Winns, and "war heroes" i.e terrorists. The episode where the original emissary came back and reverted their society back 500 years was at least interesting.
ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS. i fricked Kira's mom, that will be all
still amuses me that there's a whole episode that is basically this, except Gul Dukat takes time from being a rebel against The Dominion to call Kira and tell her about boning her mom, and Kira is so butthurt that she travels back in time just to check if it's true (it is)
Dukat showing up on the station in this episode, smugly lording it over the DS9 crew, and then his disbelief when the trap snares him too because his superior during the occupation assumed (correctly) that he would try to worm his way out of the situation if the Bajoran workers seized Terok Nor is comedy gold
when does Voy get good? got bored after 10 episodes, everybody was boring, Paris was good for 1 or 2 episodes, then got boring, everybody else boring, enemies space cavemen boring, cannibals was ok i guess
Gul Dukat starting a cult and having a half cardy rape baby was pretty hilarious to be honest.
Even though they character assassinated Dukat he was still fun to watch to the end.
It's a map of the polities of the alpha and beta quadrant. What part of it doesn't make sense? >inb4 muh 3d space
yeah yeah cool. The galaxy is spinning and flattens rimwardly. Space is pretty desolate and there aren't that many stars out there much less habitable ones, It's not a relief map.
there's no actual canon map of the star trek galaxy, every image you see is going to be loose interpretations, and it's likely to change with every example.
> It's another Jake and Sisko episode.
Uhhh... > You love Jake and Sisko, don't you?
Well, n-
Of course you do.
No, please, I.. > It's another Jake and Sisko episode.
No, don't.. > It's another Jake and Sisko episode.
aaaahhh > It's another Jake and Sisko epissode
AAAAAHHHHH > It's another Jake and Sisko episode.
Please kill me. It's another Jake and Sisko episode
>leader of the super alien combine that is conquering the galaxy, do you have time for the press, you know, the good ol' broadsheets, the readers of the galaxy really care to know what I think, and they totally exist
This was so moronic. You're telling me that the Founders allowed the son of a Federation captain walk around the occupied station unimpeded? He would have been whisked away as a hostage deep within Dominion territory the moment he was discovered.
The very episode where he stayed behind he said the Dominion wouldn't touch him since he was the son of the Emissary and it would alienate the Bajorans that had just signed a non-aggression treaty with them. And Weyoun was basically making sure the treaty wasn't being breached by the Cardassians so that end was covered as well.
He would have been under 24/7 surveillance so there was no way he could attend his little saboteurs' club with Kira and Odo and ultimately help take back the station. Don't try to tell me the Vorta are that incompetent
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Remember when the Vorta could shoot plasma balls from their throat and it was never seen again after the debut episode? They apparently were that incompetent.
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To be fair they also could be replaced by clones that retained the memories of the original “somehow.” >it’s magic, I don’t gotta explain shit
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It's a neutral lace a la the culture.
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I miss these little buggers
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>can immediately tell which one is male and female based on their body language and bone structure
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I wish they’d done more with them. I think they’re neat. Like the borg but cute
The very episode where he stayed behind he said the Dominion wouldn't touch him since he was the son of the Emissary and it would alienate the Bajorans that had just signed a non-aggression treaty with them. And Weyoun was basically making sure the treaty wasn't being breached by the Cardassians so that end was covered as well.
>leader of the super alien combine that is conquering the galaxy, do you have time for the press, you know, the good ol' broadsheets, the readers of the galaxy really care to know what I think, and they totally exist
As far as regular child characters in Star Trek go Jake and Nog are literally the best 2.
Wesley, Alexander, the borg kids in voyager all sucked way more.
I'm so fricking mad this show will never get a remaster
the SD version isn't just low resolution, and has fricking terrible compression that makes muddles everything even more. the HD rescans in that documentary were night and day.
It's a space station and given the history of its use, it was designed for easy compartmentalization. Given the size, if should have some sort of transit system. We do see lifts here and there but movement in the x and y directions aren't shown to be accomplished other than by walking.
>leader of the super alien combine that is conquering the galaxy, do you have time for the press, you know, the good ol' broadsheets, the readers of the galaxy really care to know what I think, and they totally exist
The press showing up in Star Trek always seemed weird. Think it is Star Trek V where they have the media on the Enterprise covering the dedication of the new ship and it really feels like an anachronism. Same with Jake trying to be a journalist.
the way it's designed you have to walk 2/3rds of the entire ship just to get to the other side. Even if they had lifts that went around the entire circle, you would still have to take 3 or 4 different lifts to get anywhere. The other option is to use shuttles to ferry people around to the other side or into the middle but that would be a clusterfrick. It's a really dumb design.
Or maybe just not be morbidly obese so walking for five minutes doesn’t trigger a hypertensive crisis
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It's a mile in diameter, which means it's circumference is around 3 miles. There are 3 cross sections, so you would have to walk around 2 miles to get to the other side.
It takes 30 minutes on average to walk a mile. So you're hiking an hour to traverse the station. Not 5 minutes. You are literally moronic.
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Or maybe just not be morbidly obese so walking for five minutes doesn’t trigger a hypertensive crisis
I would just make it like the pentagon with a courtyard like hub center so you can cross the entire station in direct lines.
easy.
>I can design space stations better than the Cardassians
Doubt
the way it's designed you have to walk 2/3rds of the entire ship just to get to the other side. Even if they had lifts that went around the entire circle, you would still have to take 3 or 4 different lifts to get anywhere. The other option is to use shuttles to ferry people around to the other side or into the middle but that would be a clusterfrick. It's a really dumb design.
It's a space station and given the history of its use, it was designed for easy compartmentalization. Given the size, if should have some sort of transit system. We do see lifts here and there but movement in the x and y directions aren't shown to be accomplished other than by walking.
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The press showing up in Star Trek always seemed weird. Think it is Star Trek V where they have the media on the Enterprise covering the dedication of the new ship and it really feels like an anachronism. Same with Jake trying to be a journalist.
They have turbolifts thoughbeit
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>It takes 30 minutes on average to walk a mile
Fricking burgers
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God you're moronic. It was a rough guess. Looking it up, the average walking speed is 2.8mph. So 22minutes. It'll still take you 44 minutes to get across the station
You realize they have people movers in airports and on cruise ships right? No one wants to spend almost an hour to get to where they are going. And yes, the technical term for them is actually "people movers".
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Tbf we don’t know how the lifts were configured. I remember exits everywhere: the bridge, the promenade, down every random habitation deck hallway (presumably the same set being reused). Don’t worry, I’m sure the Cardies wouldn’t want you to strain yourself getting your next jumja stick
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If it was the 32nd century everyone would just be using their immersion breaking instant teleport transporters built into their comm badges that somehow magically knows where to go as the plot demands without any sort of targeting system or physical means of transporting the person wearing it, with the added bonus of letting people not even have to stand still to use it because that would take too long for the low attention span audience to wait.
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Why not just be a head in a jar at that point?
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I bet moronic bongs use the stairs in skyscrapers instead of elevators because of their superior fitness.
do people really think these AI videos look good? They are just slow pans of weird looking people barely moving while making bizarre and twitchy facial expressions.
I really loved Enterprise and it was my favorite. Maybe because it was the first Star Trek show I saw when I was in college back in like 2008-10 when you had sites that would just put up the episodes on megaupload to watch. It was just really comfy for me. I tried watching TNG but thought the bridged look like a cheap 80s penthouse. TOS was just too old for me. Voyager seemed stupid. DS9 is the only one I havent tried watching yet.
I picked DS9 as my first Trek show and I wasn't disappointed at all. I'm not sure which one I would watch after finishing it, some people were praising Voyager as the best Trek which caught my attention.
The rod and the ring will strike. The worldwide auroras and plasma hits are the shining bolt that strikes but does not kill. We have ten days of darkness ahead. The bear will leave his cave forever (Russia). The rod and the ring will strike (Israel?).
It does and I'm pretending it doesn't. I was a hardcore TNG fan and was started on the original series by my pops. I was like 12 when DS9 started and didn't care for the abrupt shift in tone and format. I ignored it for like 2 decades, then sat down and watched it. This is the best series. That said, TNG is the primer you need to understand the overall setup and dynamics. Not the starting point for Trek but the best of Trek. Also ST ends for me at the end of this series because everything that follows just gets worse and worse and worse. And then somehow even worse.
DS9 got a massive advantage in that they can't just warp away to a different system to avoid the consequences of their action.
Wormhole super alien and their fallen hell counterpart is still a dumb concept and totally ruined the last few seasons though. I know that the writer hated Dukat, but they didn't have to throw the whole show just to get him to be cartoonishly evil.
even discounting that it's quipslop, I can't forgive that they turned the gorn into xenomorphs when the entire fricking point of their appearance on TOS was that despite being vicious buttholes, they could be reasoned with
And Babylon 5 mogs DS9
morelike gayylon Five
no one will ever recapture the joy that is gayMOUNT MINUS
How are they similar? (Never seen or heard Babylon 5)
>How are they similar?
1990s syndicated sci-fi tv shows about space station malls near wormholes
DS9 literally stole everything good about it from B5. So yes, you have heard of it, but in the crappy knockoff version you watched
If you love Babylon 5 so damn much, why don't you go make a thread about it instead of stanning it in every thread that mentions DS9? Personally, I couldn't get over all the crappy '90s sfx and /...ACTING!!!/ going on, even if the overall plot was incredible.
ds9 is just a ford pinto in comparison to the ferrari f40 that is b5
smaller station, smaller characters, less interesting and dynamic events, scope, and locations
While I'm a big Babylon 5 fan, I have a difficult time to recommend it to people who haven't seen it because it really is a product of its time. The SFX were amazing for a tv show of that era, especially for an independent production but yes, it does look dated now, especially on a big screen. Watching it in the 90s on a 19" tv in 480i was great. The computer displays also suffer because they were created by computers of the era while shows like DS9 used custom printed glass panels. I'd also mention some of the puppetry of alien races but TNG had some pretty bad episodes with the same problem.
the remaster looks great
And Farscape mogs all
these two opinions are a very clear sign of an underdeveloped brain. literally every person who thinks this has the mind of a teenager (even though most of them are in their 30s or older)
post three good stand-alone episodes from DS9 and B5 so i could compare both shows and decide which one to watch
For DS9 I recommend
Trials and Tribbleations
The Magnificent Ferenghi
Children of Time
Babylon 5 has very few standalone episodes because it was meant to be a five year long story. Season 3, Episode 4: 'Passing Through Gethsemane' is mostly stand alone if you just want to get a feel for the show.
For Babylon 5, should I start with episode 1 or the movies?
Thanks anon
Can someone sell me on B5 in general
it's community theater tier acting but a much better planned and written story with extremely compelling characters. Garibaldi is Chad Odo (channeling a bit of Dennis Miller). Londo and G'Kar have a much better and poignant rivalry than Odo and Quark and their initial hatred for each other is more palpable and believable than Kira and Dukat. Also Bruce Boxleitner/Sheridan just brings this positive aw-shucks energy that brightens up every scene he's in and that's something that balances the grimdark. On DS9 they used Ferengi/comedy to balance the grimdark but that meant the balancing episodes were contrast rather than interwoven into the arcs.
But the dialogue is very overwrought so be prepared for that. Imagine Kirk reading the preamble to the Consitution in every episode. Choose wisely.
>but a much better planned and written story with extremely compelling characters
Somewhat. I like B5 a lot but it's a good example of what can go awry with planning almost as much as it is an example of what can go right with planning, and a handful of major characters never really develop into much. There's a lot to appreciate in it, though. Londo and G'Kar most obviously.
I've tried to watch Babylon 5 but I can't get over the giant bald gay nig with the golden thing on his forehead.
I know scifi is scifi but what the frick.
that's stargate, get your series right or frick off
Oh right, alright I might give it a shot then.
correct
DS9 did more worldbuilding than all other Star Trek's combined, and Sisko has the most depth of any of the Captains
Sisko was black, therefore making him cringe
Sisko BTFOing the Maquis is one of the most satisfying moments in Trek history.
sisko sucked
>Sisko's relationship with Jake
>Sisko's relationship with Dax
>Sisko's relationship with Kira
>Sisko's relationship with Dukat
>Sisko's relationship with Worf
>Sisko's relationship with Quark
>Sisko's relationship with Weyoun
>Sisko's relationship with Kai Wynn
Sisko has more depth and character than all the other captains combined
He's just better on every level
It also helps the actor himself was a bit hinged which enhanced his character.
Lets see if this image summons the same anon that sperged out the last time the term "hero ship" was used in a sentence.
it's by no means bad, but it's just not very interesting in the scope of science fiction, also, the bajorans are obnoxious and take up so much valuable screen time with their stupid space alien superstition politics.
>>*mogs every Star Trek show*
kills your statement
The only episode of DS9 I skipped was the one where they were writers for a sci-fi magazine in the 1950s. The series in general doesn't go into 20th century race issue very often but it was obvious where that particular episode was going so I skipped it.
sisko is a mary sue and a protected minority
ds9 was always woke garbage
Only thing you missed was seeing quark out of the ferengi costume.
Also Odo, Martok, Weyoun, and Dukat
sisko getting butthurt about 1960s earth being represented in a holodeck was really weird given the fact that he's a human being living in a superfederation hundreds of years in the future with the implications of its verdant society and expansion beyond pettiness and other failings
while they are petty with the Ferengi that can't never change
He had the Benny Russel vision only months before so he’s disproportionately bothered by it
but "his people" are the human race and federation
once a
always a
And he only started thinking in those terms after the vision
because woke
so was it a corruptive influence of the evil dark side wormhole aliens then?
Yes
That was him being a based autist and complaining that the holodeck sim was not racist enough thoughever
Yeah thats why his girlfriend immediately called him out on it duh.
the whole exchange just came across at best like something that existed to explain something to children tier people in the audience
Yeah that would be like israelites today seething about events that happened to them 2000 years ago in Ancient Rome.
Has anyone here ever gone on Cinemaphile and seen a thread complaining that a Historical Movie or Historical TV Show is inaccurate and ahistorical?
Has anyone here ever taken part in the complaining about movies and TV lacking historical accuracy?
It's worth it to hear Jake say "Black folk on the Moon" with a hard R. And to see all the cast out of makeup. Give it a shot also to see Avery Brooks have a nervous breakdown while the rest of the cast looks distinctly uncomfortable.
For me, the Visitor was terrible - gay porn tier acting.
Seeing Michael Dorm without his Worf makeup was a trip.
I liked that aspect, with the cast being able to take on new roles (particularly ones we only saw under layers of makeup and masks), and the story was interesting. The trippy existential question was a nice science fiction classic, and a nice departure for the largely immobile setting of DS9.
People might not like Avery Brook's race war shit but the highlight of the episode is how everyone aside from Brooks is giving better performances than usual.
Star Trek actors always give better performances in the "we had access to costumes from the studio next door" because they can have fun and play different characters than the ones they do in the regular episodes.
Probably also why the mirror universe ones are always so fun. They get license to let loose a little
I prefer TOS and TNG, but DS9 is still great. My biggest issue with it is that despite all the fuss over the ongoing war plot, said plot doesn't develop in a terribly engaging way, with a lot of the resolution being rough. Seasons 3 and 4 were surprisingly my favorites.
3-6 is the sweet spot
1 and 2 are pretty good though occasionally dull.
7 is half pretty good and half moronic. It has some pretty camp moments at least. It was also wrapped up a bit clumsily.
the bajoran stuff can leave, the war against the founders was pretty good
The Bajoran power struggle and dealing with resistance fallout is interesting, it's just whenever you get into prophets crap its bad.
Some Bajoran episodes are pretty good. Especially if Wynn shows up.
I like that they tried to show the diplomatic workings of the Federation and Bajor over a long period centered around one planet, where in TNG and TOS you'd get lots of quicker views into many different planets.
The religious stuff can be a drag though it serves the overall narrative and worldbuilding they were going for.
I see people complain about the Bajorans all the time like the show is constantly trying to kiss their ass, but they are obviously portrayed fairly complexly and often negatively. Like you can understand why Dukat feels the way he does about them after the occupation, even if the occupation was still obviously terrible.
It's pretty well done even if its not always exciting or interesting in a sci fi way.
I think most of the people who rant about Bajoran's here do so because of the comparisons to israelites.
the bajorans are genuinely annoying, and drag down half the episodes they are in.
They are supposed to be. You are not always supposed to sympathize with them. That is part of my point.
Besides the annoyance caused by Bajoran's fuels your enjoyment for Dukat
Episodes like Duet clearly shows that there is nothing inherently wrong with Bajor. A world dealing with finding its own footing and the resulting power vacuums combined with their natural spirituality versus their newfound militarism is very interesting as a concept.
They just made most characters and the writing really shitty, for the most part. They could have done with more characters, all we ever got was Kais, Winns, and "war heroes" i.e terrorists. The episode where the original emissary came back and reverted their society back 500 years was at least interesting.
Despite muh serialization and ongoing plot, the flow of the Dominion War doesn’t quite make sense if you binge the series.
Final season was dark and edgy kino. The Breen and Founders were actually intimidating for the most part.
ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS. i fricked Kira's mom, that will be all
god dukat was such a rascal
still amuses me that there's a whole episode that is basically this, except Gul Dukat takes time from being a rebel against The Dominion to call Kira and tell her about boning her mom, and Kira is so butthurt that she travels back in time just to check if it's true (it is)
>Dukat’s superiors thought he was a scumbag to the point they prepared a video message b***hing him out for fleeing the station
Dukat showing up on the station in this episode, smugly lording it over the DS9 crew, and then his disbelief when the trap snares him too because his superior during the occupation assumed (correctly) that he would try to worm his way out of the situation if the Bajoran workers seized Terok Nor is comedy gold
It has the best character cast of non humans of any Star Trek and it's not even close.
For me only Farscape competes in that department
and B5 does not?
I can hear this image. It's opening credits music mogs everything that's for sure.
DS9's isn't bad, but VOY is the GOAT
when does Voy get good? got bored after 10 episodes, everybody was boring, Paris was good for 1 or 2 episodes, then got boring, everybody else boring, enemies space cavemen boring, cannibals was ok i guess
It never gets good.
>Voyager
>get good
loving every laugh
It gets "watchable" once Seven of Nine joins the crew but even at its best it's still mediocre
Voyager doesn't "get good". It just has some individually fun episodes like Year of Hell, or Doctor Tinker Spy.
This b***h was so unrelentingly hateable.
I respect that in a character. The actress was seriously great
Gul Dukat also boned her, kek, the only redeeming part of the Pah Wraights garbage subplot
Gul Dukat starting a cult and having a half cardy rape baby was pretty hilarious to be honest.
Even though they character assassinated Dukat he was still fun to watch to the end.
She was the nurse in one flew over the cuckoo's nest
station was good, but it had the worst space fights and exploration
>Fiery but mostly peaceful protests
The violence was mostly on the part of the government m8
Soon brother, soon
make it make sense
It's a map of the polities of the alpha and beta quadrant. What part of it doesn't make sense?
>inb4 muh 3d space
yeah yeah cool. The galaxy is spinning and flattens rimwardly. Space is pretty desolate and there aren't that many stars out there much less habitable ones, It's not a relief map.
there's no actual canon map of the star trek galaxy, every image you see is going to be loose interpretations, and it's likely to change with every example.
I recently started watching The Orville and really enjoy it (minus the cringey jokes which I assume are cringey on purpose)
Would I enjoy any of the old Sci Fi series like Star Trek or Babylon 9 or are they fundamentally different?
> It's another Jake and Sisko episode.
Uhhh...
> You love Jake and Sisko, don't you?
Well, n-
Of course you do.
No, please, I..
> It's another Jake and Sisko episode.
No, don't..
> It's another Jake and Sisko episode.
aaaahhh
> It's another Jake and Sisko epissode
AAAAAHHHHH
> It's another Jake and Sisko episode.
Please kill me.
It's another Jake and Sisko episode
I will never understand the hate for Jake, his episodes are decent to good throughout.
>leader of the super alien combine that is conquering the galaxy, do you have time for the press, you know, the good ol' broadsheets, the readers of the galaxy really care to know what I think, and they totally exist
This was so moronic. You're telling me that the Founders allowed the son of a Federation captain walk around the occupied station unimpeded? He would have been whisked away as a hostage deep within Dominion territory the moment he was discovered.
They were trying to project an image of safety and security in order to lower the guard of other Alpha Quadrant races.
He would have been under 24/7 surveillance so there was no way he could attend his little saboteurs' club with Kira and Odo and ultimately help take back the station. Don't try to tell me the Vorta are that incompetent
Remember when the Vorta could shoot plasma balls from their throat and it was never seen again after the debut episode? They apparently were that incompetent.
To be fair they also could be replaced by clones that retained the memories of the original “somehow.”
>it’s magic, I don’t gotta explain shit
It's a neutral lace a la the culture.
I miss these little buggers
>can immediately tell which one is male and female based on their body language and bone structure
I wish they’d done more with them. I think they’re neat. Like the borg but cute
The very episode where he stayed behind he said the Dominion wouldn't touch him since he was the son of the Emissary and it would alienate the Bajorans that had just signed a non-aggression treaty with them. And Weyoun was basically making sure the treaty wasn't being breached by the Cardassians so that end was covered as well.
As far as regular child characters in Star Trek go Jake and Nog are literally the best 2.
Wesley, Alexander, the borg kids in voyager all sucked way more.
>Nog
you cant say that
> It's another Jake and Sikso episode!
Make it stop
People like you who hate the Noh-Jay Consortium are minions of soulless orthodoxy
You need more self sealing stembolts in your life, anon
I'm so fricking mad this show will never get a remaster
the SD version isn't just low resolution, and has fricking terrible compression that makes muddles everything even more. the HD rescans in that documentary were night and day.
It will get a 8k AI upscale.
Say that to my face
This ship looks like it would be a massive pain in the ass to traverse.
It's a space station and given the history of its use, it was designed for easy compartmentalization. Given the size, if should have some sort of transit system. We do see lifts here and there but movement in the x and y directions aren't shown to be accomplished other than by walking.
The press showing up in Star Trek always seemed weird. Think it is Star Trek V where they have the media on the Enterprise covering the dedication of the new ship and it really feels like an anachronism. Same with Jake trying to be a journalist.
the way it's designed you have to walk 2/3rds of the entire ship just to get to the other side. Even if they had lifts that went around the entire circle, you would still have to take 3 or 4 different lifts to get anywhere. The other option is to use shuttles to ferry people around to the other side or into the middle but that would be a clusterfrick. It's a really dumb design.
>I can design space stations better than the Cardassians
Doubt
I would just make it like the pentagon with a courtyard like hub center so you can cross the entire station in direct lines.
easy.
Or maybe just not be morbidly obese so walking for five minutes doesn’t trigger a hypertensive crisis
It's a mile in diameter, which means it's circumference is around 3 miles. There are 3 cross sections, so you would have to walk around 2 miles to get to the other side.
It takes 30 minutes on average to walk a mile. So you're hiking an hour to traverse the station. Not 5 minutes. You are literally moronic.
They have turbolifts thoughbeit
>It takes 30 minutes on average to walk a mile
Fricking burgers
God you're moronic. It was a rough guess. Looking it up, the average walking speed is 2.8mph. So 22minutes. It'll still take you 44 minutes to get across the station
You realize they have people movers in airports and on cruise ships right? No one wants to spend almost an hour to get to where they are going. And yes, the technical term for them is actually "people movers".
Tbf we don’t know how the lifts were configured. I remember exits everywhere: the bridge, the promenade, down every random habitation deck hallway (presumably the same set being reused). Don’t worry, I’m sure the Cardies wouldn’t want you to strain yourself getting your next jumja stick
If it was the 32nd century everyone would just be using their immersion breaking instant teleport transporters built into their comm badges that somehow magically knows where to go as the plot demands without any sort of targeting system or physical means of transporting the person wearing it, with the added bonus of letting people not even have to stand still to use it because that would take too long for the low attention span audience to wait.
Why not just be a head in a jar at that point?
I bet moronic bongs use the stairs in skyscrapers instead of elevators because of their superior fitness.
They didn't want it to be easy to get around. Their slaves had their sections in which they worked and had no reason to be in other sections.
It's a mall security work place sitcom in space
Would you watch a 1950s premake of DS9?
do people really think these AI videos look good? They are just slow pans of weird looking people barely moving while making bizarre and twitchy facial expressions.
Odo is Peter Cushing, O'Brien is Orson Welles and Bashir is Christopher Lee, Ezri is Lauren Baccal and Kira is Laurie Piper(?), who are the others?
Bros, would the show be better of we had Jellico as our captain?
VOY > TNG > DS9 > rest
I really loved Enterprise and it was my favorite. Maybe because it was the first Star Trek show I saw when I was in college back in like 2008-10 when you had sites that would just put up the episodes on megaupload to watch. It was just really comfy for me. I tried watching TNG but thought the bridged look like a cheap 80s penthouse. TOS was just too old for me. Voyager seemed stupid. DS9 is the only one I havent tried watching yet.
I picked DS9 as my first Trek show and I wasn't disappointed at all. I'm not sure which one I would watch after finishing it, some people were praising Voyager as the best Trek which caught my attention.
Going back and watching TNG would be my suggestion
Voyager is pretty good, but I'd never call it the BEST Trek
HD Remaster fricking when? Jesus, this show is too beautiful for it to not have one.
>HD Remaster fricking when?
never ever because TNG remaster didn't make enough money and it's way more popular than DS9
Just watched the new STD. Pretty sure the show is gonna end on a DS9/Possible Sisko tease, lmao.
I wouldn't be surprised considering how much PIC and STD have hard-ons for DS9 plots and characters
They going to pull Avery Brooks out of a subspace dimension 800 years after he went off to play baseball with the Prophets?
Wasn't this a show about a space Black person and diversity? instead all the other shows were pewpew
>tfw no 4'8" vulcan science officer gf to debate logic with
It always feels like they should have added Alexander as part of the group when Worf joins the show, allowing him to grow as a character there.
Except that he always kinda sucked
I prefer the early seasons of DS9 better. Real comfy stuff.
forgot pic. Bell Riots soon.
The rod and the ring will strike. The worldwide auroras and plasma hits are the shining bolt that strikes but does not kill. We have ten days of darkness ahead. The bear will leave his cave forever (Russia). The rod and the ring will strike (Israel?).
Typical shitlennial.
>All hoomans look alike
It does and I'm pretending it doesn't. I was a hardcore TNG fan and was started on the original series by my pops. I was like 12 when DS9 started and didn't care for the abrupt shift in tone and format. I ignored it for like 2 decades, then sat down and watched it. This is the best series. That said, TNG is the primer you need to understand the overall setup and dynamics. Not the starting point for Trek but the best of Trek. Also ST ends for me at the end of this series because everything that follows just gets worse and worse and worse. And then somehow even worse.
DS9 got a massive advantage in that they can't just warp away to a different system to avoid the consequences of their action.
Wormhole super alien and their fallen hell counterpart is still a dumb concept and totally ruined the last few seasons though. I know that the writer hated Dukat, but they didn't have to throw the whole show just to get him to be cartoonishly evil.
Dominion Wars was a fricking drag. Still, great episodes are contained in that superclusterfrick.
>show is called Star Trek
>they don't actually go on a trek
DS9 is shit and its only redeeming quality is the qt puss-puss
How I rank Star Trek shows:
TNG > TOS > ENT > VOY > DS9 > PIC > SNW > DIS
ENT is trash. VOY is boring garbage. Rule Of Acquisition #135: Profit grows where unity thrives; exploit alliances to expand your coffers.
ENT is my kind of trash. VOY is comfy.
Where does Lower Decks fit in your ranking?
Worf should have married her rather than that b***h Jadzia.
She's half Romulan, Worf isn't into race-mixing.
He clearly is
Not with Romulans.
>qt Ezri completely mogs Jadzia
>is only in the last season
It's not fair bros.
>mirror ezri
HNNNNNNNNNGGGGHHH
Do those spots go all the way down? Asking for a friend
I want sex with Kira
Strange New Worlds is better than Voyager
even discounting that it's quipslop, I can't forgive that they turned the gorn into xenomorphs when the entire fricking point of their appearance on TOS was that despite being vicious buttholes, they could be reasoned with