>most broken & mentally ill character in the show
>gets graphically melted into ashes by PTSD trigger
What did they mean by this?
>most broken & mentally ill character in the show. >gets graphically melted into ashes by PTSD trigger
>most broken & mentally ill character in the show
>gets graphically melted into ashes by PTSD trigger
What did they mean by this?
Scavenger's Reign basically did a better version of Simon in 3 episodes
Haven't heard of that. What is it?
Simon is probably my favorite character in the series for how psychotically evil he was while still being a complex character but the fanbase reception when he died of "GET FRICKED LOSER diE DIE DIE" really put me off. Like he was incredibly sadistic and evil but he was so broken and pitiful
>What is it?
Show about space explorers trapped on a batshit insane planet and they all have different experiences of survival. Bearded dude, like Simon, is a beta incel schizo who starts killing creatures from the planet to get a weird psychic frog to drug him with visions of his past. Flashbacks also show he was an impulsive prick and nasty to be around with.
His insanity makes more sense than Simon since he is established to have been locked up in a capsule for months with barely anything to eat or drink, and there is no cult leader around him so his decisions are his own.
>but the fanbase reception when he died of "GET FRICKED LOSER diE DIE DIE" really put me off.
That was also the reaction of most of the crew working on Infinity Train, so both writers and fans were stupid.
Pretty sure Owen said he was supposed to be a tragic villain
Also don't DILP him his actions were his own decision. I just find him really fricking tragic. I also want to kick him in the balls
>I also want to kick him in the balls
Wish there was art of that
have a nice day grace fricker. DIE. Simon did nothing wrong.
He murdered a person after pretending he was going to save them and then revealed it without remorse to her 6-year old adopted daughter and then intended to murder the child when he figured out she was a denizen, and then proceeded to psychologically torture the woman he had spent half his life with before trying to kill her twice including after she saved him he’s a bad person
You mean the woman who started a cult to train him to act the way he did?
>But women are sweet innocent flowers! They can irreversibly frick up the development of youths without consequences!
She was also a child. She was no more than a year or two older than him. Again, it doesn’t excuse her actions, it’s obvious it doesn’t, but it’s still relevant.
I agree that Grace saying “I don’t owe you anything” felt off in the finale, she should have recognized that she influenced Simon’s delusional ideology even if his actions at a certain point were his own
Owen also jokes a lot about him being dead and how funny that is. He’s a hack
>his choices were his own
He was gaslighted and mindbroken by 3 female characters in the show. Said characters I’m supposed to empathize with but he is supposed to be the monster? Frick that, if you wanted him to be entirely responsible for his actions then don’t make him the sidekick of a cult leader
>kidnapped as a child and indoctrinated into a cult
>his actions were his own
He was objectively failed by the trains systems, emotionally abandoned and let down by The Cat, and deliberately betrayed by his only "friend", a person who pulls fricking rank on him rather than treat him like a human being.
His actions were entirely reactive. Every single thing he did was in RESPONSE to something. Most of those somethings being totally out of his control.
What the frick are you on about. He was barely even a fricking character with how little agency he had.
I've said it before but the writers relationship to Simon is on the same level has Korra and her writers. It's just bizarre to me that someone would make a main character they hate.
>and deliberately betrayed by his only "friend"
The betrayal was hiding information from him that would have immediately caused him to murder a child
Help me out. Why would he have done that? Was it something he thought of due to his own interests and understandings of the world that he had considered and come to?
Furthermore, what child are you referring to? The only children I am aware of were the ones he returned to as quickly as he could, in order to help them. Or are you making the argument that the train, even when working properly, isn't right? That S2 doesn't actually mean anything.
He didn't come up with the idea of murdering train people on his own, but he was very happy to do it. Unlike Grace who started to see why that was wrong after seeing just how "human" train denizens are with Hazel, Simon didn't give a shit and would have gone for the kill on her for hiding her turtle nature from him.
He was willing to kill Grace, an actual human, for hiding things from him, he definitely wouldn't have hesitated to wheel Hazel.
I feel I am getting your perspective, mind you just a feeling, but you are arguing that Hazel is a person? Is that were you are coming from?
I do believe Hazel is as much of a real person as Grace and Simon
>believe
Well why didn't you say so earlier? If belief is the metric then I believe I am right about Simon having no agency and not being accountable. That he was mistreated in and out of universe and that the characters around him let him down. That is my belief.
Had I known that was what we were doing I wouldn't have wasted so much time getting to the conclusion of the conversation.
>Unlike Grace who started to see why that was wrong after seeing just how "human" train denizens are with Hazel, Simon didn't give a shit and would have gone for the kill on her for hiding her turtle nature from him.
Except that's not even what happened because Simon barely spent any time with her like Grace, and when he found out she was a turtle, he didn't try to kill her. He just called her a freak and moved on with his life.
Reminder that in the first episode Simon spared a null when Grace wanted to kill it. You forgot probably because the writers also forgot. Its a shit season.
>Simon spared a null when Grace wanted to kill it
Don't act like that was an act of kindness, he wanted to keep it hostage to use as part of the lighting for his toy collection
Still sparing their life over killing them, which proves he's not murder crazy enough to actually kill Hazel. Meaning the whole "hiding the truth" bullshit was pointless and Grace is a dumb motherfricker responsible for everything bad that happened.
Also, Grace would be able to tell the truth better than Simon since she started the cult, meaning she always knew it was a lie, while he completely bought into it.
Simon had just murdered Hazel's gorilla mom after seeming to bong with it a bit in the colour clock car. Grace was pretty justified in assuming he'd kill Hazel on a whim too
>Grace was pretty justified in assuming he'd kill Hazel on a whim too
Considering his schizo ass only did it because she sort of planned it to begin with, all she needed to do was just tell him to frick off. Grace had total control over him for the majority of the season until they conveniently forgot about it.
I'd argue the betrayal was leading him to waste years of life on a fake religion. Dude missed so many life experiences based on a lie when he had had a good chance to make it off the train. His number as a kid wasn't even high.
He's a straight white male, of course they deny him sympathy
Today I will remind them.
what does this prove
Are you moronic?
>Needing to be right is a cancer
Says the sjws
It comes across fetishy to me
fetishy? It's just some light-hearted shit talking about the shows most hateable villain
DIE, Grace simping moron
I hate women so much bros, why are they so evil and psychopathic?
>Grace bullies Simon into being her first lackey
>he always does what she wants
>she changes her mind about what she wants on a whim after years and years
>she goes behind his back to hide her betrayal
>when things blow up she lies to Simon to cover her own ass
>Therefore Simon is a self-centered narcissist
TULIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That's not how you spell Lake
Lake is the 2nd best character
have a nice day.
Not cooperating with your prime.
•Attempt to control your primes life.
•Resisting arrest.
•Resisting being recycled.
•Multiple assaults on mirror enforcement.
•Conspiring with your prime.
•Abandonment of "prime to reflection" position.
•Appearance modification that does not reflect your prime.
•More accounts of resisting arrest.
•Disturbing the train denizens.
•Disturbing the train passengers.
•Destruction of train property.
•Interruption of train processes.
•Unlawful breach of the prime world.
•And the most egregious charge, the murder of the reflection police; Special Agent Mace and Agent Sieve.
The reflection system is obviously, cartoonishly evil.
>law and order is le evil
have a nice day, libtard
shut up bootlicker I love the chrome troony
>troony
Lake is not a troony in the show itself I agree, she was just originally written as one and Cartoon Network wouldn't let Owen make them one.
>troony
So you admit you are mentally ill.
YOU'RE NEXT, MACE!
-Alan Dracula-
Sometimes people are just to far gone and there's no saving them.
But enough about Grace and Amelia
I actually liked Simon. He was set up for a good redemption in the first half. He had valid reasons for being shitty but refused to grow from it for some reason. Even with the "why would I change" a reasonable person would still evolve. He was relatable to me when he was betrayed, both the real and the "self-conceived one". It's funny how at the start both Grace and Simon were shitty to denizens/NPCS whatever but Simon was still the evil one despite both of them doing the same shit, with Grace clearly making the philosophy in the first place and Simon fully adopting it. It kinda feels like they just needed a villain and went, "White man spotted."
>tfw we'll never get to see the rest of Hazel's story
It's not fricking fair bros
Probably was gonna be even more suffering when working with Amelia
As if Amelia wouldn’t warm up to her, Hazel is pretty much her child.
Amelia doesn't like children, which Owen confirmed in the ama. Putting a traumatized 6 year old in her care makes for a bad time.
Owen could have shown it on season 4.
But motherfricker thought he was guaranteed 8 seasons at the start of the animation industry’s downspiral, so he made a, and I quote him, “relaxed season” after the last one was so intense (pussy) thinking he could get more seasons to tell that story. S5 wasn’t even gonna end it, it was gonna be a prequel movie. So the fricker thought he was guaranteed golden treatment and ruined his chances of telling a good story.
I hope he’s stuck doing shitty game adaptations forever.
They made him too cute to hate
>white, male
morally compromised, irredeemable, always at fault, incompetent
>black, female
morally upright, never beyond redemption, relatable, unbeatable
I do not think we watched the show, I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that Grace was presented as morally upright and that Simon was beyond redemption.
Yeah Grace and Simon are portrayed as being equally terrible people, the different was that Grace actually realised that and wanted to be better, whereas Simon kept spiralling downward
Most people acknowledge this, but also that Grace had an advantage, knowing that the conductor cult and numbers claim were lies, while Simon believed them 100%. Simon was always going to have a harder time accepting the truth than Grace was, and that's excluding this obvious personality disorder.
Yeah that's kind of the problem I think. It's not an even competition in any way.
I would feel less hesitant about the way the show treated this if they presented someone who was as fricked up as Simon and had them be a good person and also Simon was a woman because he has BPD and is fembrained
Why do simongays just want to frick him? Your excuses to “liking” him always leads down to wanting to frick him
>implying ameliagays or gracegays are any different
He would've gotten a good ending, right?
>white male protagonist
Going by Simon that means he would be a psychotic monster who does awful crimes and is beyond redemption.
Minorities are always okay in infinity train. White guys are the only ones ever in true danger.
Learn to face the truth, or get destroyed by it.
Think he and Hunter were the characters that made me realize I have a thing for punished white men. I crushed on Finn and Dipper before them but these are the ones that made me realize why that was.
>Think he and Hunter were the characters that made me realize I have a thing for punished white men
Yes... ha ha ha. Yes!
They deserve so much better than the shit the harpy writers gave them.
Bs it harems of girls, every conceivable race or species, or just offering myself.
Reminder this b***h abandoned a child to die, and then gave his mentally ill ass a deadly weapon to get rid of his friend.
And I'm supposed to like this character according to the fandom and writers.
Yeah I am not fond of The Cat.
I hear people tried to nullify Simon's experience because "SHE DIDN"T REALIZE!!!" but "You never came back" is actually a pretty valid response if you seriously think about it. She didn't try to get help. She didn't even try to find his body. She never contacted him for 7 years.
Cat is a total c**t but to be slightly fair she only gave Simon the tape so he could find out the truth from Grace. I don't think she expected him to use it to murder her
Yeah but Simon was visibly violently insane at that point, he was attacking her random shit and screaming. She probably should have thought harder about doing it
>She probably should have thought harder about doing it
True. What's interesting about that sequence is that guilt drives the Cat to act out in emotion with Simon when with everyone else she's extremely logical. Makes you wonder what the Cat is really like when she's not scamming people.
>I don't think she expected him to use it to murder her
She literally told him she was a backstabbing b***h and that she hated her. I doubt she would relish her death, but if he had told her she'd probably wouldn't have cared either. She hated Grace and wanted Simon to hate her too.
But she's voiced by Janeway so I guess that means she's just a lovable cat and we should blame Simon for everything she is partly to blame for.
Hello littul ITgays, sorry I’m late the McDonald’s drive thru line was VEEEERRRRYYYY LONG…
But I’m back now, also to answer OP’s question, the writers wanted to have their cake and eat it too with the character development of the wench and nu-male. With it being that Apex member gets what’s coming to them and Apex member grows as a person. They, of course handled it poorly.
I hope Lake gets to lead a happy and full life, and isn't kidnapped and experimented on by the government
I hope she doesn't.
mt is melting violently in the sun, like it deserves
Yes, and?