>studios are actually getting upset with cinemas for trying to have intermissions during the longest films
whatever happened to the customer is always right
Yeah and ?
Movies get longer and they get worse
Self indulgent directors think their garbage is too important to edit out when it only makes the films worse
>movies get longer
I legit don't understand this. I would think that the corporate greed of modern Hollywood would do the opposite. Shorter movies have smaller budgets, and ticket prices for a 90 minute movie are the same as prices for 120 minute movie, yet you can have more showings.
It's creative bloat. Movies get a budget before the movie starts being made, so the creatives think to themselves, "How am I going to spend 100 million dollars?" Their answer is to stuff their film with whatever stupid crap they can think of.
Audiences won’t feel like they got their money’s worth if the film is short ?
Not that I agree with that but maybe that’s the studios thinking ?
Plus we have had decades of stories about “creative” people getting stifled by corporate “money” people. So now Hollywood is afraid of pissing off directors or something
>could have easily shaved 20 to 30 minutes off this movie and lost nothing
That's nothing. Cameron could easily have deleted 100 minutes - ANY 100 minutes - from Avatar 2 and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference to the film.
Two asian multiverse movies
One is a beloved classic and the other has Michelle Yeoh
I would argue that the Yeoh flick would have been better if they edited out 30 mins since the film feels like it’s ending like 3 times toward the end but just keeps on going
Go ask which of the two is more beloved in any forum or on your discord, you discord troony. Not gonna ask you to actually step outside the basement and ask actually converse with people. It's only on Cinemaphile that you can find people sharing your shit opinion.
More is not always better. I saw The Hobbit (part one) in the theater and found it tedious. I tried to watch the extended version and was bored to tears. I didn’t bother going back for part 2 or 3. The bloat was unreal. The Hobbit should have been two films clocking in at around 2hrs each.
They cut out the scene where the Terminator was put into self-learning mode. This is literally the entire PLOT of the film. If you think it is legal to cut out such moments. Congratulations, go see Captain Marvel at the movies.
No, it really was not. He was reprogrammed and sent back to the past and that is all the audience needed to know.
4 months ago
Anonymous
the theatrical cut explains that the terminator can learn so that it can blend in better. That is all that is really required to explain him learning new things. A lengthy scene involving Sarah having a moral crisis and breakdown is not necessary to establish that. It really slows the pace the movie down.
you don't need a scene explaining that an AI is self learning
Ok, Black person. You don't need entire movie, if u can watch all action scenes on youtube.
4 months ago
Anonymous
fine zoomer, Ill take the bait.
The scene is unnecessary. The fact that the resistance captured and reprogrammed the terminator means they would have already had to put him in learning mode in order to reprogram him. Not being dumb robots, the humans would know he is going to need to learn as he deals with his mission in the past. Sending him back in Read-Only mode would be fricking moronic, so he would have been in Learning mode the whole time...which makes the scene unnecessary and waste of time.
the theatrical cut explains that the terminator can learn so that it can blend in better. That is all that is really required to explain him learning new things. A lengthy scene involving Sarah having a moral crisis and breakdown is not necessary to establish that. It really slows the pace the movie down.
Longer movies = People are gonna buy more stuff to eat = More revenue for the cinema = more shows of your film = more money for both cinema and the film
Movies aren't youtube videos. They don't get more revenue based on their watch time. Though with streaming services it might start to work like that soon
I have to say that the primary thing people miss on this issue isn’t just time but whether it’s warranted. A film has to earn the run time that it has. Epics like Ben-Hur, Ten Commandments, A Bridge Too Far, The Longest Day, Lawrence of Arabia; they were all pretty long but had enough content to justify their run time. You can look at Lord of the Rings and it’s extended editions for a more modern example. Most modern films don’t have the content to justify it; many of the ones that are too long aren’t even as long as the before-mentioned examples but they are too long for what they’re giving you. It’s all about what’s happening in the movie and many of these films don’t have enough to make it worth even an hour.
Superman the Movie- 2 hr 23 min
Man of Steel- 2 hr 23 minutes
Oh nooooooooooo!
Movies in general have gotten longer even if some modern film is shorter than gone with the wind and Ben hur doesn’t mean the general trend is moving towards more bloat
If someone doesn't know how to write/direct/shoot a movie well, then they almost certainly don't have the restraint to trim a movie down to the absolute essentials to make it flow as well as it can and throw out anything that isn't working. Self-editorializing is a rare skill
My mom tries to bond with me and my siblings by having us watch movies together. She REALLY wanted to watch the new Elvis film. That movie dragged on forever and wasted so much time. I know she was disappointed but I finally just said, “I’m sorry but I can’t watch anymore of this. It’s just way too long.” There was still half an hour left. That piece of shit was two hours and 40 minutes long. It actually made me angry. With everything they cut out of his life and choosing to focus on long boring conversations and angst that movie could easily have been an hour forty and not endless torture.
>raiders of the lost ark
115 minutes
>temple of doom
118 minutes
>last crusade
128 minutes
>crystal skull
122 minutes
>dial of destiny
154 minutes
WHAT WENT WRONG?
>dissing Crystal Skull
RLM brainlet detected
honey sweetie crystal skull isnt even the second longest on that list
>defends shitty movie from 2008
>brings up RLM out of nowhere
zoomer brainlet detected
I assume this is bait. Shit posting is still a shit post.
40 minutes to quip about how flawed society is.
I haven’t seen the last one but I read the opening action sequence goes on for almost 30 minutes in it.
I wish Raiders was longer tbh, kind of feels like it ends just as it starts getting good
Efficient storytelling and staging.
>studios are actually getting upset with cinemas for trying to have intermissions during the longest films
whatever happened to the customer is always right
the customer hasn't been right since 1913 when federal taxes took over America and the Israeli Mafia got their ass jn the saddle
Godfather was damn near three hours and it was made 50 years ago
Yeah and ?
Movies get longer and they get worse
Self indulgent directors think their garbage is too important to edit out when it only makes the films worse
>movies get longer
I legit don't understand this. I would think that the corporate greed of modern Hollywood would do the opposite. Shorter movies have smaller budgets, and ticket prices for a 90 minute movie are the same as prices for 120 minute movie, yet you can have more showings.
It's creative bloat. Movies get a budget before the movie starts being made, so the creatives think to themselves, "How am I going to spend 100 million dollars?" Their answer is to stuff their film with whatever stupid crap they can think of.
Audiences won’t feel like they got their money’s worth if the film is short ?
Not that I agree with that but maybe that’s the studios thinking ?
Plus we have had decades of stories about “creative” people getting stifled by corporate “money” people. So now Hollywood is afraid of pissing off directors or something
Original Robocop could have been a little longer. Though it’s still an A+ film
could have easily shaved 20 to 30 minutes off this movie and lost nothing
>could have easily shaved 20 to 30 minutes off this movie and lost nothing
That's nothing. Cameron could easily have deleted 100 minutes - ANY 100 minutes - from Avatar 2 and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference to the film.
Even stupid Bond movie? Dr No was like 100 minutes long.
most of the bond movies are 110 to 140 minutes, except for no time to die which is 163
It felt every minute of being that long
Two asian multiverse movies
One is a beloved classic and the other has Michelle Yeoh
I would argue that the Yeoh flick would have been better if they edited out 30 mins since the film feels like it’s ending like 3 times toward the end but just keeps on going
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
>One is a beloved classic
And won a bunch of Oscars. The other is a forgotten flick from the turn of the millennium.
Kek no one thinks this . Not even worth arguing about
Go ask which of the two is more beloved in any forum or on your discord, you discord troony. Not gonna ask you to actually step outside the basement and ask actually converse with people. It's only on Cinemaphile that you can find people sharing your shit opinion.
90-110 minutes is the perfect length.
Terminator 2
>2h30min
it is bad movie or what, moron?
I like T2 but every action scene feels like it goes a minute or two longer than it should have.
Bruh, are u serious. Go take some meds
The theatrical cut is better than the extended directors cut with a ton of extra footage
> The theatrical cut is better
No. Theatrical never can be better. Otherwise, theatrical version 2h.17min. Whatever.
but the theatrical cut is better
More is not always better. I saw The Hobbit (part one) in the theater and found it tedious. I tried to watch the extended version and was bored to tears. I didn’t bother going back for part 2 or 3. The bloat was unreal. The Hobbit should have been two films clocking in at around 2hrs each.
They cut out the scene where the Terminator was put into self-learning mode. This is literally the entire PLOT of the film. If you think it is legal to cut out such moments. Congratulations, go see Captain Marvel at the movies.
No, it really was not. He was reprogrammed and sent back to the past and that is all the audience needed to know.
Ok, Black person. You don't need entire movie, if u can watch all action scenes on youtube.
fine zoomer, Ill take the bait.
The scene is unnecessary. The fact that the resistance captured and reprogrammed the terminator means they would have already had to put him in learning mode in order to reprogram him. Not being dumb robots, the humans would know he is going to need to learn as he deals with his mission in the past. Sending him back in Read-Only mode would be fricking moronic, so he would have been in Learning mode the whole time...which makes the scene unnecessary and waste of time.
the theatrical cut explains that the terminator can learn so that it can blend in better. That is all that is really required to explain him learning new things. A lengthy scene involving Sarah having a moral crisis and breakdown is not necessary to establish that. It really slows the pace the movie down.
you don't need a scene explaining that an AI is self learning
if you couldn't tell that the Terminator was capable of learning without a scene where you see him programmed, you have autism.
Longer movies = People are gonna buy more stuff to eat = More revenue for the cinema = more shows of your film = more money for both cinema and the film
wrong, hollywood make more money making movies shorter so they can fit more screenings per day, making them longer wont make people buy more snacks
Yes, but also fewer screenings per day. So, not sure about that.
Turns out the real equation is longer movies=no one going to see movies
>15 minutes
as if you had anything better to do
John Wick 4 is nearly 3 hours long.
they can afford to make it longer because people liked the previous films, meaning more people will watch it
Movies aren't youtube videos. They don't get more revenue based on their watch time. Though with streaming services it might start to work like that soon
moron
and it's the best one
It’s not the runtime it’s editing. Seven Samurai is 3 hours long and doesn’t have an ounce of fat on it.
I have to say that the primary thing people miss on this issue isn’t just time but whether it’s warranted. A film has to earn the run time that it has. Epics like Ben-Hur, Ten Commandments, A Bridge Too Far, The Longest Day, Lawrence of Arabia; they were all pretty long but had enough content to justify their run time. You can look at Lord of the Rings and it’s extended editions for a more modern example. Most modern films don’t have the content to justify it; many of the ones that are too long aren’t even as long as the before-mentioned examples but they are too long for what they’re giving you. It’s all about what’s happening in the movie and many of these films don’t have enough to make it worth even an hour.
Superman the Movie- 2 hr 23 min
Man of Steel- 2 hr 23 minutes
Oh nooooooooooo!
>planet of the apes
1 hr 53 min
>planet of the apes (2001)
2 hrs
>rise of the planet of the apes
1 hr 43 mins
Dude! this is insane!!!
Movies in general have gotten longer even if some modern film is shorter than gone with the wind and Ben hur doesn’t mean the general trend is moving towards more bloat
>Movies in general have gotten longer doesn’t mean the general trend is moving towards more bloat
ESL "logic"
If they keep making movies longer I AM going to start using a piss bottle and leaving it under the seat in theaters
To be honest, this includes credits. In the past they were usually much shorter.
If someone doesn't know how to write/direct/shoot a movie well, then they almost certainly don't have the restraint to trim a movie down to the absolute essentials to make it flow as well as it can and throw out anything that isn't working. Self-editorializing is a rare skill
@193295641
Hahahah holy frick cope
My mom tries to bond with me and my siblings by having us watch movies together. She REALLY wanted to watch the new Elvis film. That movie dragged on forever and wasted so much time. I know she was disappointed but I finally just said, “I’m sorry but I can’t watch anymore of this. It’s just way too long.” There was still half an hour left. That piece of shit was two hours and 40 minutes long. It actually made me angry. With everything they cut out of his life and choosing to focus on long boring conversations and angst that movie could easily have been an hour forty and not endless torture.
I watched Robert Cop remake just the other night, why is this shit so fricking boring?