>Movie's message is that looks don't matter
>proceeds to consantly make fun of Lord Farquaad for being a manlet
What did they mean by this?
>Movie's message is that looks don't matter
>Movie's message is that looks don't matter
>proceeds to consantly make fun of Lord Farquaad for being a manlet
What did they mean by this?
Looks don't matter
but height does
Yup. Most women would love to be manhandled by Shrek, but none would like a Farquaad.
fibbypibby
That's not the message, the message is that height is king
you shouldn't bully people for their looks but manlets aren't people
manlets will NEVER learn
>hate has no home here
>unless it pertains to white m*les, drumpf, science deniers or literally anyone else that disagrees with me
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but when shrek and fiona were in human form they were white
They were libwhites.
thats not the message of shrek. is that really what people took away from that movie?
Ok genious, what was it about then?
*genius
Good save
being a manlet is worse than being a regular 6'1 bloke with a 6 inch micropenis
thats how bad being short is
This. I have a 7 inch wiener but never used it because I'm a manlet who can't have sex
Shrek is clearly black coded
umm, he deserved it because he feels insecure... chud
>women would rather date an actual ogre and turn into one than date a manlet
>and turn into one
That part is inevitable
do incels realise theyve moved beyond self satire just like woke twitter gimps did around 2015?
im shitting on the as well you mong. youre the same
Nobody made fun of Fartwad for being short, they made fun of him for his obvious insecurity (ie wearing armor twice his size)
Autism us a struggle
Pic
Being short isn't the same thing as being a manlet.
cope
This. There's a literal cookie guy who's like 3 inches tall and everyone is cool with him because he's not an overcompensating homosexual
Right? And the little puppet boy wears women's underwear, but he does it with pride.
this, if he simply didn't choose to be so insecure in the movie no one would be making fun of him
Manlets are always too big for their britches, they never learn, always need to be taken down a stepladder
He could have gone to asia, he'd be tall there.
Message is to not others' expectations/perspective of you define your life.
yes
>Antz : october 1998
>Shrek : may 2001
>Shrek 2 : may 2004
Something changed at Dreamworks after 9/11. Antz and Shrek are naughty, but Shrek 2 is borderline foul.
>Shark Tale : october 2004
The next one after Shrek 2 isn't nearly as foul. Wouldn't call it sophisticated, but it isn't foul either.
The ogre in the Shrek universe is considered by everyone to be a violent and terrifying monster. As we can see through observing Shrek the protagonist these beliefs are completely false. In fact Shrek is a pacifist. Shrek is also a personification of every negative stereotype associated with the proletariat. He is an unhygienic, ill-mannered, and lives in literal filth. These are common and terrible stereotypes of poor working-class people.
Shrek and the other characters in this society live under a fascist regime. This is evident in several ways. The fairy tale creatures have seemingly no rights. They are rounded up and sent to Shrek's swamp without notice. Farquaad says that fairy tale creatures are trash and poisoning his perfect world. This sounds a lot like Nazi ideology. In which the main threat to a healthy society is seen as a foreign parasite attacking the system--rather than problems inherent to the system itself.
Donkey represents the revolutionary as he makes several attempts throughout the film to collaborate with Shrek and fight back against the ruling class. He is also one of the only characters in the film to not initially judged Shrek for being an ogre. Sadly Shrek continuously shuts Donkey's attempts towards collaboration and working-class organization throughout the film. Because Donkey is revolutionary, he believes that violent force is necessary to bring down the bourgeoisie.
Perhaps it is this misguided philosophy of non-violence and complacency--that makes Shrek susceptible to falling for the liberal reforms presented to him by the bourgeoisie in this film. This liberal reform is Princess Fiona. It is not uncommon for the bourgeoisie or for fascists to offer the working class some sort of compromise--to keep them appeased and under the illusion that things are better for them than they actually are. In actuality these reforms changed nothing. The status quo is maintained and the lower classes continue to be exploited.
I think a more accurate description of Fiona is that of a member of the Petit Bourgeosie, in that she straddles the lines between proletariat and bourgeoisie throughout the film. Though she benefits from the world of Duloc (being a princess herself), her status as an Ogre once night falls aligns her more with Shrek, representative of the proletariat. She despises this side of herself in the same way the Petit Bourgeoisie loathe that they can't simply live off of owning the means of production like the Bourgeoisie can, and thus she desires to marry Lord Farquad to shed her status as Ogre and Proletariat, effectively selling herself as a commodity as are all wives under the bourgeois institution of marriage. That Fiona becomes an Ogre like Shrek at the end of the film, however, is a testament to the ultimate proletarianization of the petit bourgeoisie, that they will eventually be put out of business by larger and larger capitalists and align themselves with the class struggle.
For Dear God, touch grass.
Smart people make me feel insecure too
The only thing eggheads make feel to normal people is the urge to pull nerd's underwear up to their foreheads.
Its a pasta, moron
>touch grass
this would get an art hoe to put out if you tried it at a bar
Nah, I'm ugly and short and I have a weird voice.
I disagree.
all Marxists should be retired from existence
Thanks ChatGPT
He's quoting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWbaUnbo-_c
>In fact Shrek is a pacifist.
I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT MY REPUTATION
First Movie
>Shrek falls in love with human Fiona
>Immediately accepts her as Ogre Fiona
Second Movie
>Shrek changes himself to human
>Fiona refuses to accept his human form and says she fell in love with him as an ogre
DISHONEST
she wanted her daily dose of ogre dick
Fiona didn't have a choice, Shrek did. He was saying "I don't care what you look like", she was saying "I want you to be yourself." Same thing basically, she knew Shrek would only choose to be a weak little human for her sake, not because he actually wanted it.
That's like telling a guy with a job that he should just be a neckbeard NEET because that's his "true self". Change is not always bad you know. From what I saw Shrek definitely enjoyed some parts of his time as a chad human, people waved to him instead of running away, he could walk the streets without making people terrified, his wife's parents would be more accepting of him and so on.
>just be a neckbeard NEET because that's his "true self"
That's not really the same thing, we're talking about a drastic change to appearance and nothing else. It's more like someone wanting to undergo major plastic surgery because they don't feel attractive enough for their partner, and their partner telling them they don't need or want them to change. Slightly different because it's magic obviously, but it's the same "you don't need to change to be good enough for me" message as the first movie.
Again, change is not always bad. I'm sure if plastic surgery was really magic then a lot of people wouldn't mind if their partners were taller/more handsome/more muscular or whatever
you're insane if you think people would be okay with their partners just casually changing their species. people break up with and even divorce trans women just because they alter their gender.
>you're insane if you think people would be okay with their partners just casually changing their species
Hey, Shrek was OK with it, why not Fiona?
>just because they alter their gender.
It's because they're extremely mentally ill and will rope themselves in less than a decade.
Nobody has ever altered their gender, that's simply not possible.
>alter their gender.
It's not about the change being good or bad, it's about it not being necessary. If someone dyes their hair or loses some extra weight, starts dressing better etc. these can all be positive changes that a partner could welcome and support. Shrek's race literally changed, a complete transformation in every way from his true self, the self he's always been and is comfortable being. And it was explicitly all for Fiona, to be better for her, or to be what he thought she wanted.
Her telling him to stay as an ogre was reassuring him that she didn't need him to make a drastic change, that she loved him the way he was.
Imagine having a beautiful wife with a great body, and perky little a-cup boobs. She learns you've always liked big boobs and feels inadequate, so starts talking to a plastic surgeon about getting big fake breasts. Telling her "I don't need you to go through all this and change yourself just for me, I love your body the way it is." is a normal and healthy response that reassures her.
It's not just about being comfortable the way you are, but the fact that Shrek was a literal outsider who was routinely attacked by people for being an ogre. Like, no one except a few magical creatures liked him. People called him a monster to his face, he was forced to live alone in an abandoned swamp his entire life simply because he wouldn't be accepted anywhere else. You can get used to your swamp but in the end it still is a swamp, a disgusting, unhygienic mess. With Fiona he was able to find some solace but the meeting with her parents just reminded him of what he truly is. Being a human gave him a way to finally be accepted in society. To no longer be feared and hated. To be admired and praised. It would make sense for him to be human. I would even argue that he WANTED to remain a human. Fiona should have accepted his decision.
>Fiona should have accepted his decision.
But it wasn't his decision, it was hers. He basically said "I can be this if you want me to be." and smiled when she said she wanted him the way he always was.
And about being an outcast, that's literally the whole premise of both movies, you're taking the stated message of the movie in the wrong direction. Shrek is confident and happy despite what everyone thinks of him, his arc in the first movie isn't that he needs to change, but that he's worthy of friendship and love just the way he is. The message is that you don't need to look or act a certain way to be happy or find connection, that's what Shrek represents. Him accepting the magical race change to fit in better would completely go against the core of the character, and the main themes of the movies.
Think about the message of the movie if he stays a human. "Don't worry kids, if you're unattractive or weird, or feel like an outcast, you can still have a good life! You just need to magically become completely different, change your appearance entirely (even your skin color) and people will like you!"
It's not really a nice message, it's an overly simplistic way to say "you don't have to conform to society". Even though in real life you NEED to conform to society anyway otherwise people would call you anti-social/basement-dweller/creepy neckbeard/NEET. I had the same problem with Elsa in Let It Go. I wish there was a much more nuanced message to children as to how much people should adapt or change themselves according to social norms.
That only applies to men
well there's the problem
>Movie says you shouldn't care about what other people think
>hurr if I do this irl people will say mean things about me
How do you miss the point of a children's movie so badly.
>otherwise people would call you anti-social/basement-dweller/creepy neckbeard/NEET
They call Shrek a monster and he doesn't give a frick. Again, this is the entire point. He thinks being alone is the price he has to pay for being the way he is, but he learns he can be himself and also find friendship and love. This is a good message for children to learn, that you don't have to conform to everyone else's standards to be happy, and if people judge you for it you can just ignore them and find people who get you. Choosing a magic race change to be more likeable to strangers would betray the entire point of the movie's story and core themes.
Would you be FAT UGLY but SUPER STRONK?
Manlets are worthless. They have zero inherent value. That's why leaders like Hitler and Napoleon needed to become literal supreme emperors to compensate for their short size, just so they could experience how it feels to be over 6 foot.
Napleon's wife cheated on him with another manlet who took the goofy pill. She was caught cheating several times, but Napoleon kept on forgiving her and she eventually became the empress. She was also known to have been an exceptional lovemaker before settling down with Napoleon. She also helped the guy she was cheating with become filthy rich through illicit royal moneymaking schemes, and he retired and lived out the rest of his life in a castle with servants. Napoleon ended up losing it all and dying alone on an island, while the goofy motherfricker spent the rest of his days in the castle that Josephine got for him.
I don't like the second film. Not a fan of the storyline that unfolds, the Fairy Godmother's personality and CG model, Fiona's blandness, and the emphasis on pop culture nods/foul writing/subliminal gags.
Humans in shrek all look weird. It's that odd early cg phase where they all look kinda realistic, with detailed textured skin and hair but also have stylized proportions and such.
But why don't you like the story, anon? I think it's as good as the first. Good message and all. I also like the prince as a villain a lot.
They went too far with the Fairy Godmother tho. It's the most irksome looking CG human model of the 4 films.
there is no moral
it's a goyslop cynical deconstruction of wholesome fairy tales.
>wholesome fairy tales
>fairy tales
>wholesome
moron
fairy tales are almost all gruesome or sad enough to drive home a point to get children to behave
That's true. It's the reason Tolkien hated Disney
I don't care you nitpicking midwit
it's all spelled out in the first minute of the movie
It's a deconstruction of early Disney movies, not fairy tails.
shreks israeli
The real message:
If a woman is attracted to you it doesn't matter what you say or do or look like
If a woman is repulsed by you it doesn't matter what you say or do or look like
Lord Farquaad was a manlet AND a douche, that's why he was made fun of
this. a good personality makes anyone more attractive.
>women don't like douchebags
It wasn't that he was short, it was that he was constantly pretending not to be. Shrek was fat and ugly and knew it, never pretended to be something else, never acted ashamed of it. Farquad had the fake armor thing, the huge tower (overcompensating), the figures on the wedding cake showing him as taller than Fiona, stuff like that is the reason they mocked him.
It feeds into the theme of being true to yourself, accepting all of your flaws and not being ashamed, which is core of Fiona's character arc and the movie in general.
I’m sure it’s been said already but the message is “don’t go changing to try and please me” shrek accepted himself for what he was. Farquad and Fiona did not. Fiona redeems herself and farquad does not
test
What do they eat?
Knights
you see, ogre wieners are like onions, a little crying is understandable
>farquaad
>subhuman manlet incel
>donkey
>chad short king, slays dragonesses
Choose your path, short man
They get so mad when you point it out it’s funny lol
It's a good thing that seething manlets are made fun of.
you get a pass for everything except for being a manlet
israeli humor. Even the word "shrek" is yiddish
Yiddish being dialect of German.
>yfw you realize Farquad is canonically still alive inside Dragon's stomach
Nah he eventually got melted by acid and crushed by muscular contractions.
Shrek was ugly but was still a good guy, Farquaad was a manlet and a dickhead, so you make fun of him. The message is make fun of dickheads.
Looks dont matter. Height does.
Handsome man let's die. Ugly lanklets fly. Caw caw caw motherfricker.
>it's over if you're a manlet!!
Charles Manson was 5'3 and still had a harem of women who would do whatever he wanted, what's your excuse?
>just cultmaxx bro
Forming cults has been banned
Shrek 2 goes too fast, to the point i don't actually give a shit about what happens. It needed a longer runtime than 82 minutes/50 seconds without credits.
>villain's name is lord frickwad
how did they get away with this?
Fiona is a better character in 1 than in 2. Remember when she sang a ballad to the bird or to herself, improvised a door using the bark of a tree which she tears off, forced Shrek to remove the helmet and later find her a place to spend the night alone, cooked fried eggs on a stone, kicked the asses of 7 guys without help, made cotton candy out of a spider web/flies, made a balloon animal out of a snake, did a "i tell him/i tell him not" with the petals of a sunflower, mounts a horse while ignoring a knight wanting to help her, and pushed down the Farquaad figure on the wedding cake? Clearly the writers of 2 didn't, cause she has no moments like that.
She punches out Prince Charming I think? I don't remember.
Headbutt. He instantly recovers.
Shrek 2 is the most overrated comedy film to come out from United States. Can't believe it was 2004's highest grossing film by grossing 929 million worldwide (it was among the top 10 highest grossing films ever for a while)
It's not about looks moron. It's about being born as someone/something that people look down upon. The message of Shrek is about how it doesn't matter what race you are, in what culture you were born, or where you came from. Everyone can choose what kind of life and dream they want to achieve no matter if the world says that it doesn't "fit" them. There's a reason why "Dreamworks" took the name "Dreamworks" and why they chose "All Star" and "I'm A Believer" as two main songs for the movie. All of their films have pretty similar messages. It's not that hard to understand. It's optimistic but also more realistic than Disney's way of theming.
Disney always tells young people that they can achieve anything and live a happy life by just wishing so. Dreamworks on the other hand tells young people: "Don't worry if people call (You) unpopular, fat, or worthless. The first thing you need to do is to learn to accept yourself and stop caring about what the world thinks about you. Then you can more easily start working hard towards what you want"
What were the last thoughts going through his mind while he was being slowly and painfully digested by a female dragon?
Would the 2001 film Shrek be a thing if it wasn't for this 1998 film? Made by the same computer animation folks at the same building.
Farquaad isn't mocked because he's short, he's mocked because of his raging insecurities about being short
Looks don't matter
Being le short is le bad
They're fricked up
Never forgiving Dreamworks for this boring piece of shit. What a phoned-in script and story.
Holy mother of contrarianism. Just stop with this revision history. KFP2 was better than the first one in almost all categories. Dreamworks took a risk by taking a more serious and dark direction with it and it paid off. I understand that certain fans expected something different but it's still a great movie in itself. The action is super dynamic and creative. The humor is great, it still fits despite the darker tone and doesn't waste time. The story is a lot more engaging, bigger scale, and more personal for both the MC and antagonist. The main villain has a ton of personality, feels completely different from the previous one, and has a lot more touching backstory. Po gets actual character development and a very good tragic character arc. Thanks to a more serious approach all the emotional parts hit way harder. The animation and art look a lot more detailed. Etc, etc.
It's overall one of the best movies Dreamworks has ever made right next to the first How To Train Your Dragon. It's a big shame how much they fricked up the third one after ending on such a high note in 2011. There's hope the fourth one is back in good hands and returns to what people liked about the first two.
Top left picture isn't even from the film. And no, most of KFP2 sucks. Blame the script, the narrative, the pacing, and the newbie director.
If you think KFP2 is a funny, engaging, entertaining, well-told, well-paced or tonally consistente sequel, then you either have awful taste or you don't remember it well.