The show’s desperate attempt to manufacture moral outrage about the Brock thing is pathetic. He literally gave a child a tummyache to prevent his wife and children from being axed in the face. Would’ve been more impactful if he’d accidentally given him too much and killed him
>if my partner or I put you into a situation where we have to poison your child to keep you from being tortured and killed by a cartel than actually we're le good guys for mitigating the damage
The brown virgins who self insert as Walt will stoop to insane levels of mental illness to defend him
This. They literally had the rednecks kill the kid and mom both later anyway. It was pointless to spare him there if you won't let him live to the credits.
So what happened when Walt killed the rednecks? They didn't show the kid run off or anything. Did Walt and Jessie both just leave the poor Hispanic there for hours until the police arrived?
So what happened when Walt killed the rednecks? They didn't show the kid run off or anything. Did Walt and Jessie both just leave the poor Hispanic there for hours until the police arrived?
Jesse was an idiot but Walt was a narcissist sociopath. Poisoning a child to manipulate your lackey into killing their/your boss is pretty fricking evil, no matter how you slice it. Sure, Walt does save Jesse once or twice, but he's also the reason everything ultimately goes breasts up between them.
Yeah but at least Walt had a redemption arc and his motives were relatable. Despite losing his way he had good intentions from the start.
Jesse was literally a lazy shitbag druggie piece of garbage throughout the entire series. Completely self-interested and only concerned with his own happiness. The fact that he took umbrage with ANYTHING Walt did is just evidence of his own narcissism and delusion; that somehow he's morally superior to Walt.
Jesse was a frickin punk and should've DIED in that shootout.
True but Walt was more than twice Jesse's age and had experienced a lot more frickery, like getting bought out/shut out of his company by those yuppies.
Jesse grew up in a normal household with two loving parents who provided for him and he STILL resented them and became a degenerate butthole. Jesse's empathy is always self-motivated too; he only wants his girlfriend to survive so he can feel loved. He only worried about Brock because it upset his girlfriend that sexed him. It was always about making him happy, that's why he invited people over to his house and had parties all the time.
Walt's interest wasn't to make himself feel good, it was to ensure his wife and kids weren't destitute after he was gone and dead. He was planning purely for them.
Honestly I think Jesse was a bigger narcissist throughout the whole thing. Walt just developed it a bit more as he gained power, but ultimately relinquished it with his final plan.
>Walt's interest wasn't to make himself feel good, it was to ensure his wife and kids weren't destitute after he was gone and dead. He was planning purely for them.
Walt himself admits he ultimately didn't become a criminal for his family, he did it for himself because it made him feel powerful. That's his last conversation with his wife.
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He was lying.
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Anonymous
True, but if you read into it (as you're meant to) it's to isolate and push Skyler away to protect her. That's why he gave her that long speech, because he knew he was damned and wanted her and his kids to distance themselves as much as possible knowing it would all come out in court after his death.
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Ironic considering our 2 dimensional interpretation of things.
I took it as Walt finally having a moment where he's honest with himself/his wife BECAUSE he intends to push her away. It's not mutually exclusive. He cared about his family, but that's not ultimately what drove him to become what he became. If it was, he would've stopped when he had more than they could possibly spend.
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Might be a bit of truth to both; I think his consistent motive was to provide for his family but he was corrupted by the power he attained in that pursuit. Hence the arc - good guy - bad guy - good guy again. Makes sure his family is looked after and Jesse is freed, while killing off the last major threat (the nahtzees) to avoid reprisal when he's dead.
Hence the brilliance of this series and why it deserves the praise it gets. We're still talking about the plotlines a decade after it finished.
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Walts entire arc is about going from an underachieving loser to a self-actualizing and confident criminal to cope with decades of squandered potential
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Anonymous
True, but if you read into it (as you're meant to) it's to isolate and push Skyler away to protect her. That's why he gave her that long speech, because he knew he was damned and wanted her and his kids to distance themselves as much as possible knowing it would all come out in court after his death.
>Walt's interest wasn't to make himself feel good, it was to ensure his wife and kids weren't destitute after he was gone and dead. He was planning purely for them.
Death to all speedwatchers
Ironic considering our 2 dimensional interpretation of things.
Walt blackmails Jesse into distributing his product in the first episode. Everything that happens afterward is a direct result of Walts ego and cowardice
Personally, I think any good Walt does for Jesse is ultimately undone when he hands him over to the Nazi gang at the end. That action alone resulted in him being a literal slave for six months, his ex-gf being murdered, and down the road having to commit more murder just to get the money needed to get out of town.
Really, Walt was a bit of a dumbass at the end and should have just told Jesse "I need this" when Jesse tells him to ask him to leave town. Instead, Walt is high on his drug lord, master-manipulator shit and just can't ask Jesse strait up to leave town because of his ego? Walt should have just came clean with him and let him know leaving would be the best thing. But really, at that point Jesse wouldn't listen to him much because he knew Walt killed Mike. Killing Mike really fricked it all up. They had a good thing, and Walt was a stupid son-of-a-bitch.
Walt's death should have been as anticlimactic as Tony Soprano's. It would've pissed off the normies watching to no end but it would've also been regarded as complete kino in hindsight just like the ending of the Sopranos.
Walt's death should have been as anticlimactic as Tony Soprano's. It would've pissed off the normies watching to no end but it would've also been regarded as complete kino in hindsight just like the ending of the Sopranos.
>Show ends with an hour of Walt dying in his New Hampshire cabin >No dialogue >Struggling for an hour in bed until he dies randomly >No loose ends are tied up and Jesse is presumed to be meth slave forever
Kino, especially if they intercut those scenes of Walt dying alone with Jesse being tortured as a meth gimp. Maybe the final scene could be the cops finally finding the remains of the criminal pair at the two separate locations of their bodies with Badfinger still playing over it:
Everyone is forgetting Walt getting Gale fired to appease Jesse's threats of turning the great Heisenberg in if he gets caught. Anyone else would have ended Jesse right there.
Every character besides the MC was extremely unlikable. Kinda killed the whole "moral ambiguity" aspect, if the authors even planned to have it in the first place.
Whats funny is that's also when he cuts Jesse out, kills Mike, starts cooking with Todd, and becomes more successful than he ever was. And even with all the bullshit, to think he still would have given Jesse another chance if Jesse didn't see this random ass dude and flip out
>HE GAVE MY WIFE'S SON A COLD!!!
Seriously wtf was his problem
The show’s desperate attempt to manufacture moral outrage about the Brock thing is pathetic. He literally gave a child a tummyache to prevent his wife and children from being axed in the face. Would’ve been more impactful if he’d accidentally given him too much and killed him
>if my partner or I put you into a situation where we have to poison your child to keep you from being tortured and killed by a cartel than actually we're le good guys for mitigating the damage
The brown virgins who self insert as Walt will stoop to insane levels of mental illness to defend him
Never said a word of this but keep arguing with the voices in your head bro
>Walt dindu nuffin because it was to save da kid and getting poisoned and put in the hospital is just "le tummyache"
Cope homosexual
Damn Black person, are you moronic? That's literally the rationale you are expressing as to why it's "le okay" to poison him.
This. They literally had the rednecks kill the kid and mom both later anyway. It was pointless to spare him there if you won't let him live to the credits.
The nazis didn't kill Brock. They left him alive as leverage.
So what happened when Walt killed the rednecks? They didn't show the kid run off or anything. Did Walt and Jessie both just leave the poor Hispanic there for hours until the police arrived?
They never took the kid. They just threatened to come back and kill him. I presume he was adopted by a relative or went into a foster home.
Holy shit anon are you moronic?
I couldn’t stand this ungrateful little wigger. HOW were there people who preferred him to Walt?
Jesse was an idiot but Walt was a narcissist sociopath. Poisoning a child to manipulate your lackey into killing their/your boss is pretty fricking evil, no matter how you slice it. Sure, Walt does save Jesse once or twice, but he's also the reason everything ultimately goes breasts up between them.
Yeah but at least Walt had a redemption arc and his motives were relatable. Despite losing his way he had good intentions from the start.
Jesse was literally a lazy shitbag druggie piece of garbage throughout the entire series. Completely self-interested and only concerned with his own happiness. The fact that he took umbrage with ANYTHING Walt did is just evidence of his own narcissism and delusion; that somehow he's morally superior to Walt.
Jesse was a frickin punk and should've DIED in that shootout.
They were both narcissists but Walt was definitely the more antisocial of the two, even if he was way more intrinsically motivated.
True but Walt was more than twice Jesse's age and had experienced a lot more frickery, like getting bought out/shut out of his company by those yuppies.
Jesse grew up in a normal household with two loving parents who provided for him and he STILL resented them and became a degenerate butthole. Jesse's empathy is always self-motivated too; he only wants his girlfriend to survive so he can feel loved. He only worried about Brock because it upset his girlfriend that sexed him. It was always about making him happy, that's why he invited people over to his house and had parties all the time.
Walt's interest wasn't to make himself feel good, it was to ensure his wife and kids weren't destitute after he was gone and dead. He was planning purely for them.
Honestly I think Jesse was a bigger narcissist throughout the whole thing. Walt just developed it a bit more as he gained power, but ultimately relinquished it with his final plan.
>Walt's interest wasn't to make himself feel good, it was to ensure his wife and kids weren't destitute after he was gone and dead. He was planning purely for them.
Death to all speedwatchers
Walt himself admits he ultimately didn't become a criminal for his family, he did it for himself because it made him feel powerful. That's his last conversation with his wife.
He was lying.
I took it as Walt finally having a moment where he's honest with himself/his wife BECAUSE he intends to push her away. It's not mutually exclusive. He cared about his family, but that's not ultimately what drove him to become what he became. If it was, he would've stopped when he had more than they could possibly spend.
Might be a bit of truth to both; I think his consistent motive was to provide for his family but he was corrupted by the power he attained in that pursuit. Hence the arc - good guy - bad guy - good guy again. Makes sure his family is looked after and Jesse is freed, while killing off the last major threat (the nahtzees) to avoid reprisal when he's dead.
Hence the brilliance of this series and why it deserves the praise it gets. We're still talking about the plotlines a decade after it finished.
Walts entire arc is about going from an underachieving loser to a self-actualizing and confident criminal to cope with decades of squandered potential
True, but if you read into it (as you're meant to) it's to isolate and push Skyler away to protect her. That's why he gave her that long speech, because he knew he was damned and wanted her and his kids to distance themselves as much as possible knowing it would all come out in court after his death.
Ironic considering our 2 dimensional interpretation of things.
Walt blackmails Jesse into distributing his product in the first episode. Everything that happens afterward is a direct result of Walts ego and cowardice
>How DARE people spend money on things they enjoy!
And the irony is that people who criticize "consoomers" often spend the same amount of money on drugs, alcohol and tobacco themselves.
reddit take
Personally, I think any good Walt does for Jesse is ultimately undone when he hands him over to the Nazi gang at the end. That action alone resulted in him being a literal slave for six months, his ex-gf being murdered, and down the road having to commit more murder just to get the money needed to get out of town.
Really, Walt was a bit of a dumbass at the end and should have just told Jesse "I need this" when Jesse tells him to ask him to leave town. Instead, Walt is high on his drug lord, master-manipulator shit and just can't ask Jesse strait up to leave town because of his ego? Walt should have just came clean with him and let him know leaving would be the best thing. But really, at that point Jesse wouldn't listen to him much because he knew Walt killed Mike. Killing Mike really fricked it all up. They had a good thing, and Walt was a stupid son-of-a-bitch.
Walt should have killed Jesse when he hooked up with his junkiegf. No Jesse, no problem.
Jesse's use diminished greatly by the fourth season and he was more of a burden/liability than an asset. Walt definitely should've wasted him.
the show isn't a realistic psychology piece like Sopranos, so who you like is going to be the outcome of whose flaws you focus on.
>Poopranos
lol
lmao even
imagine vince had the guts just end the show here
season 5 is so moronic
Walt's death should have been as anticlimactic as Tony Soprano's. It would've pissed off the normies watching to no end but it would've also been regarded as complete kino in hindsight just like the ending of the Sopranos.
>Show ends with an hour of Walt dying in his New Hampshire cabin
>No dialogue
>Struggling for an hour in bed until he dies randomly
>No loose ends are tied up and Jesse is presumed to be meth slave forever
slop or kino
moronation of expectations subversion type.
Kino, especially if they intercut those scenes of Walt dying alone with Jesse being tortured as a meth gimp. Maybe the final scene could be the cops finally finding the remains of the criminal pair at the two separate locations of their bodies with Badfinger still playing over it:
GUESS I GOT
THE WRITING I DESERVED
Everyone is forgetting Walt getting Gale fired to appease Jesse's threats of turning the great Heisenberg in if he gets caught. Anyone else would have ended Jesse right there.
If they killed Hank, Jesse, and Walts wife the show wouldn't even have a plot. He would of just been a single dad with millions of dollars.
Every character besides the MC was extremely unlikable. Kinda killed the whole "moral ambiguity" aspect, if the authors even planned to have it in the first place.
Season 5 is fanfiction slop.
Season 5 is when he becomes a kingpin. Heisenberg actualized.
Whats funny is that's also when he cuts Jesse out, kills Mike, starts cooking with Todd, and becomes more successful than he ever was. And even with all the bullshit, to think he still would have given Jesse another chance if Jesse didn't see this random ass dude and flip out
>gets with a heroin addict
>flirts with a fatty
>gets with a brown single mom
Impeccable taste in women
What a chump.
goo