Ms. Marvel Co-creator Says Character Was Originally Planned as Mutant

>“Here's a really important thing that people do not know – when we were thinking about the character of Kamala back, back, back in the day in 2012, 2013, when [G.] Willow [Wilson, comic book writer] and myself were ideating, we originally wanted to make her a mutant. That was the whole intention, to be able to do that.”

https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/ms-marvel-finale-reveal-sana-amanat-interview-exclusive/

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Suuure gotta line up a those ducks now.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    SYNERGY RETCON NOW

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    She’s obviously lying

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      do you unironically think the writers, during editorial's artificial Inhumans push, were going "frick yeah, a new INHUMAN is going to be the new hot shit?"

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No but she could have been a mutate like spider-man, I don’t get the mutie obsession.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          they're popular and relatable. both left-wingers and right-wingers identify with the x-people

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I said this in another thread but
          Kamala = Teenage Superhero 2013 version
          Mutant Powers = Puberty metaphor
          It's low effort to the point of writing itself

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          To tie her into x-men stories instead of inhuman ones.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Kamala would've gotten cancelled after the first arc and shoved into the background of an X Men book if she were originally supposed to be a mutant

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Bruh you don't actually think she was successful just because she was an inhuman right

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They pushed her then and even now because she was an inhuman. Otherwise she’d easily just get overshadowed and thrown into the back seat with the rest. Hell it happened even with the push.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They only pushed her as hard as they did because they were pushing the Inhumans in general.

          That's not what happened.
          They pushed her as the first Muslim character with her own ongoing, her being Inhuman was secondary.
          I specifically remember because she was on the Colbert Report and other shows shilling her book.
          Whenever the character came up, it was always about her being Muslim.
          Simon Baz was around, but people ignored him because DC sucks donkey ass at publicity.
          I was the exact demographic they were pandering too at that time so I bought into her hype and it was always about her being Muslim that caught (my) peoples attention, they slapped on Inhuman onto her occasionally because no one actually gave a shit about Inhumans and Kamala allowed people to segue into them.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >no one actually gave a shit about Inhumans and Kamala allowed people to segue into them.

            >not one mention of her being Inhuman, it's all about her being Muslim.
            Damn, anons were right.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They only pushed her as hard as they did because they were pushing the Inhumans in general.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I think that they pushed her because of Captain Marvel. Her inhumans link played some role early in the vol 1, but it quickly became ignored

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Wasn't she dragged into Xmen vs Inhumans and civil war 2 for the inhuman kidnapping connection?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They weren't pushing the new inhumans all that hard.
          Remember Mosaic?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That's history revisionism

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They pushed her because muh muslims

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            and Hillary

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            why obama is looking so sad and disappointed? like, he looks as if he realized that america is a joke or something?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Because of all the significantly more important things that he could had been doing, he is doing a photo op with some irrelevant capeshit creator and her shitty capeshit book.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                She not just some capeshit creator, she's the cousin of Huma Abedin.
                It's why Marvel hired her even though she had no business being in comics at that time.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              He likes DC more than Marvel

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Sana Amanat wasn't even an X-Men editor lmao

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That doesn't mean anything.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You can still create mutant characters even if you're not working on an X-Book you know

        It means there's no way she would pitch her as a mutant, doing so will only give her less control of the character. FF has to retcon Franklin to not being a mutant to get rid of x-office's control

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That's a bullshit reasoning that was proven wrong again and again. But please, go on and tell me how x-office controlled franklin over the last 50 years

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The FF writer literally said so, checkmate

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              dan slott is not an FF writer, and his opinions are irrelevant

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                And your opinions are more relevant because...

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                because I am not dan slott and I keep my deadlines without help

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Dan Slott
              >source
              homie, you need some better sauce

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >It means there's no way she would pitch her as a mutant
          That's funny because I can't think of an easier way to pitch a new Marvel character.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >doing so will only give her less control of the character.

          Oh my God you're an idiot.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            he quotes dan slott, that goes without saying

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The FF writer literally said so, checkmate

          Slott fricking destroyed Franklin ever since that retcon

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Franklin is too OP, he needs to be nerfed. And sharing a character with two different franchises is a bad idea. Look at Wanda and Quicksilver.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              No, he doesn't. He needs to hookup with rachel for some /ss/ and make hyperstorm happen

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              He was already fricking nerfed

              >xgays seething over Slott again
              You know no matter how you hate one writer, he's still the writer, have more authority than whoever you are

              >thinking people only hate Slott because of Franklin
              LMAOOOO

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                people only hate Slott because of Franklin
                >LMAOOOO
                >pretending anyone but x-gays would be triggered by a single post about Franklin not being a mutant

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >imagine defending slott
                you disgust me. I would tell you to have a nice day, but it would be a waste of a bullet

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >being a moron who can't see the point
                >no no no you must kys because you are definitely a Slottgay!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The point is that slott is not a credible source

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The point is neither is Sana Amanat

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                While I don't believe her either, she created the character, so she's as credible as you can get

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Franklin Too OP
              >When Krakoa already has 4 Reality Warpers of greater power and various copycat types like Synch, Rogue, Hope, etc that can do anything.
              >And Wiccan and Scarlet Witch are now Honorary Mutants again to hide Mags Judenraus'ing of Wanda who are both more powerful than Franklin.
              Franklin is better off without mutant indoctrination because they tried to take him from his family and would have screwed with him until he does a "No More Mutants 2.0" event. Even Krakoa is floundering on trying to "nerf" characters like Synch and failing since a basic gene edit, resurrection, or him copying any ageless mutant like Selene, Mystique, etc defeats that weakness.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Franklin was destroyed the moment he was created as a character with bullshit universal scale reality manipulation. You simply can't have a character that powerful in a shared universe setting. Just look at what happened to the X-men's reality manipulators on Krakoa and Otherworld, they got massively nerfed and jobbed.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Franklin was never under the X-office's control. Slott is just a vindictive piece of shit who didn't want to share the character even a little.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You can still create mutant characters even if you're not working on an X-Book you know

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >You can still create mutant characters even if you're not working on an X-Book you know
        And by the 80s you knew damn well your mutant OC would get dragged into the X-books and their oppression narrative whether you want it to happen or not. Back then you might consider that a risk worth taking if it might make the character sell better, but by the 2010s, when it wouldn't have helped sales at all, it's not a sensible decision to make unless you want your OC to be an X-Men character.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Whirlwind
          >Mandrill

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You're cherry-picking exceptions here. Those are characters from the 60s and 70s respectively. Whirlwind basically stayed off the X-books' radar by being an Avengers villain-team mainstay and that the origin of his powers happens to be being a mutant is borderline irrelevant, while Mandrill is some weird 1970s racial issues Steve Gerber character that most writers don't even want to go near because he's a big ape man with rape powers. Mentallo and Nektra are "just happens to be a mutant" villains from the same time period who both got sucked into the X-books eventually.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I can name you more
              >Portal
              >Vance Astro

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                and more
                >Mindworm
                >Gibbon
                >Bushwacker (albeit he probably isn't a mutant after all)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >The Lobo Brothers from Spider-Man
                >Thanos
                >Terrax

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                meanwhile, characters who interacted mostly with the x-teams, like D'Spayre, is considered a Doctor Strange nemesis, even if he fought Dr Strange literally two or three times

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                and more
                >Mindworm
                >Gibbon
                >Bushwacker (albeit he probably isn't a mutant after all)

                >The Lobo Brothers from Spider-Man
                >Thanos
                >Terrax

                Most of these are characters Marvel doesn't even remember exist anymore. If anyone did remember them, they'd probably get grabbed by an X-book, like what recently happened to Judas Traveller.

                Thanos and Terrax are aliens, and as such have nothing at all to do with Earth X-gene mutants.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I mean she was part of the nuhumans wave when xmen were being relegated to nowhereland thanks to no movie potential. She was probably pitched as a mutant at some point and then told to do an inhuman and after Wilson asked what inhumans were she said whatever and swapped.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I can totally believe Kamala being pitchet pre-Nuhuman as a mutie, and then recycled as inhuman.

      frankly, Lockjaw aside, most if not all her initial stories might work even better as a mutie

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Suuuuuuure

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This week keeps on giving, and there is still friday, saturday and sunday. Do I dare to live long enough to see what more happens? Continued in next issue!

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like it's bullshit. Unless they have some sort of proof. Sure, there was an inhumans push to make everything inhuman, but if not for the push, I guess that Kamala would had been some kree-hybrid, or something similar. I doubt she was created as a mutie

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I guess that Kamala would had been some kree-hybrid
      beside her being a fangirl of carol, she has nothing to do with the kree.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, but maybe she would if no metahumans existed in MU

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Anyway, it seems like retconning kamala is more or less confirmed. Kinda funny how I joked years ago that pic rel would happen, and the amount of seethe from kamalagays was unbelievable. They were so sure, that it would never ever happen not in million years. As a matter of fact, I will check the archives to find some of the reactions back then

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This page reads a bit different now

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >xgays seething over Slott again
    You know no matter how you hate one writer, he's still the writer, have more authority than whoever you are

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >not hating slott
      that puts you lower in the foodchain than a pedophile

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I hate him for his later years of ASM, doesn't change the fact he's still the writer of FF

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He leaves FF. One issue left

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Then still is, until August, what's so difficult for you to understand?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              That means that he's no longer the ff writer, because he already wrote the last issue of FF (with the help of Gage)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                That's not even the point, he's talking about his writing during his run on FF, thus he has the authority. If Hickman talked about some plot point in his FF, would you say his opinions are irrelevant?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                and now that he doesn't do FF he doesn't have the authority any much longer.
                > If Hickman talked about some plot point in his FF, would you say his opinions are irrelevant?
                yes, as a matter of fact, I always consider his opinions irrelevant, and his recent run on x-men kinda proves it

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                By your logic, there's no way to know most of the behind the curtain things because writers have all been done with writing the book, thus all unreliable.
                Then the original point stands, Sana Amanat is lying

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                that's why you have EDITORS as source, not WRITERS, because writers COME and GO

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Editors come and go too, you know Amanat stopped editing a while ago right? Even less reliable than Slott. Or are you seriously defending Marvel editors, the ones allow writer like Slott to keep a job in the first place?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Your problem with Slott is honestly overblown in comparison to the shit Aaron is currently pulling out of his ass.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >all these inhumangays ITT
    Cope
    Kamala is coming home

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The only inhumans character she ever really had fun interactions with was Lockjaw, so it's not exactly a massive loss.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      and she can still have these interactions, you just know

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I think the fact that no one cares about the Inhumans and the push was the most forced thing ever makes this pretty believable.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's so funny they're just like "Yeah the CEO was crazy and made us push the Inhumans and not use X-Men" now

    It's interesting we haven't had a real X-fanboy/girl as the Kitty Pryde intro character yet. Kamala works. Honestly Kamala as a mutant/X-Men who's an Avengers fangirl is even better.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I mean wasn't that the whole wolverine thing, she even said at one point that she thought she was a mutant because of said interaction.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ye

      This page reads a bit different now

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Kamala is MADE for getting mind controlled, brainwashed and corrupted

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Krakoa will brainwash her into a mutant soldier

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        and that's unironically a good thing

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        and that's unironically a good thing

        What will her new soldier uniform look like

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It will have a Massive X on her chest

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It will be a female version of the Captain Krakoa armor
          She will also change her superhero name to Ms. Krakoa as well to embrace her new status

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Sad we aren't getting more Captain Krakoa now that the cat is out of the bag

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Duggan teased that there will be another Captain Krakoa since Forge didn't originally make the armor for Cyclops

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Interesting how quickly Forge changed his mind on joining the X-Men

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Krakoa will brainwash her into a mutant soldier
        How?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          She'll be drafted to Krakoa's war college

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How will that brainwash her

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So are we going to see her have sex on Krakoa?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Who will she bang

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Cyclops

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This
        She'll probably get paired with someone who can satisfy her MC fetish

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Sinister will make a clone of her for his own purposes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What will the clone do

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Either

          [...]

          or he will turn the clone into the biggest Mr Sinister fangirl

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I prefer this instead

            Krakoa will brainwash her into a mutant soldier

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Ms. Sinister
            I like it.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I always thought it was weird that her first cross-over was with Wolverine. Even today he feels like he would be an odd choice for her. But even if it's true that they were flirting with the idea, it's going to feel like a cynical retcon. So, meh.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Kamala is going to for quintuple diversity point as a bisexual Arab Inhuman Mutant woman.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone knows this, moron. But she was created in that window when Marvel was trying to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans. Kamala is a shit character anyway and she'd still be shit if she was a mutant.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It feels unreal. For the first time in a decade I visited some other comic book forums like CBR to grab some seethe. It's delicious, so fricking delicious I just gained weight

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?155953-Inhumans-Appreciation-2022/page43

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Inhumans bros

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        43 pages of discussion about the inhumans in 2022, crazy.
        I really wonder if any of the nuhuman characters like Inferno, Flint and the like will ever come back outside of cameos.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Inhumans won an Eisner. X men didn't.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Inhumans got Disney banned in Hawaii. X Men didn't.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Inhuman and comic fans are fricking seething at this so much lmao

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      the whole 2 of them?

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Should I watch the show?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It was pretty cute and fun overall, although with a big detour for the 4th and 5th episodes where she was out of town without the fun side characters. Worth a watch, but maybe only keep 4 and 5 on in the background while doing something else (or just watch some episode recaps on YouTube or something).

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I have signed First edition Ms.Marvel that I feel like burning now.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why
      Sell it on eBay for money

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >ideating

    Is this person moronic?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Are you? It's a word and he's using it right.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Marvel clowns and the circus still dancing

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    remember this?
    https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/inhumans-resurrxion-readers-guide/

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/inhumans-resurrxion-readers-guide/
      wonder what happened to the shills

      >Some of these Nuhumans include popular characters like Mosaic.
      haha

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        shit it seems like I fricked up the second link, it was supposed to be a tumblr for some inhuman shill

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/inhumans-resurrxion-readers-guide/
    wonder what happened to the shills

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Even before the Inhuman push fans were complaining that using mutants to explain a new character powers was lazy.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's fairly obvious that the only she wasn't was because of Perlmutter

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The one think I like about the inhuman origin is that it gives her a tangential connection to the Kree and thus more of a right to the Marvel name

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I have no problem believing that, it's no secret that editorial wanted to push the inhumans at that time.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I do have a problem believing with that, because I can't think of an example of non-xmen mutant who had his own ongoing for long, if ever

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Namor
        but then again, Namor doesn't care much about being a mutie, and it's been a while since he had an ongoing

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Suuuuuure.

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't see how this news has any relevance now beyond a bit of history and validating those people who wanted to ship Ms. Marvel with Cyclops

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      to hype up the x-folks?
      like
      >bendis is coming
      only
      >muties are coming to mcu

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        True, but they don't need more hype. They were already creaming their pants when Patrick Stewart glided onto the screen in that Doctor Strange movie.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if Kamala shouldn't rename herself to Marvel Girl now

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Kamala starts looking up to Jean Grey instead
      Oh no no no no Carolsisters

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sorry to remind you, but recently Binary re-appeared in Captain Marvel. As you might know, Binary debuted design-wise on the pages of X-Men and was part of Starjammers... so.... you know...

        And considering that both Deathbird and Mystique also debuted in Ms Marvel, and Danvers led Alpha Flight / Sword for a while, I can't help but wonder if Captain Marvel shouldn't count as x-book...

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          ok
          She will still look up Jean, a much better role model compared to Carol and embrace Marvel Girl as her new superhero name

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >gaslights Gwenpool into thinking she's a mutant
    >gets made into a mutant herself
    kek

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, I was always surprised that she wasn't an X-Men. The first few issues are set up that way, discovering weird powers that happen out of nowhere, slowly coming to the realisation she's not a regular teen anymore... if it wasn't for the failed Inhumans push Marvel was going for, she absolutely would've been a mutant

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      don't forget the Wolverine team-up as well

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Even ignoring all that, the whole thing's set up like a classic X-Men origin story. Did they even show her cocoon? I may be wrong, but I don't remember that ever being a thing in the comics.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yes they did show the cocoon and there were several pages with the terrigen mist in Issue #1
          The Wolverine team-up also had this page as well

          This page reads a bit different now

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            looks like black egg, doesn't even look like regular inhuman cocoon

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They did, but it looked different from the blue cocoons we saw at the time

          It was a black glassy shell that formed after her exposure to the Terrigen Cloud

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >They did, but it looked different
            I remember at the time that it was really weird and unusual, there certainly was something off about it

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Funny that armor is there considering Kamala stole her power for the mcu.

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    As usual, frick Ike

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Does that mean she is going to join the orgy?

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like this character but I think this is the truth and not bullshit
    Kamala was created when Marvel hated mutants because they didn't have the movie rights, that was the period in which Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver stopped being mutants, and even Squirrel Girl stopped being a mutant.
    There were many little retcons of mutants into non mutants.

    Kamala was probably created with the intention of making her a mutant, but Marvel forced the creator to make her an Inhuman. Because Marvel hated mutants back then.

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nevver read marvel comics what's the difference between an inhuman and mutant and why the frick are they two separate things

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