>“Here's a really important thing that people do not know – when we were thinking about the character of Kamala back, back, back in the day in 2012, 2013, when [G.] Willow [Wilson, comic book writer] and myself were ideating, we originally wanted to make her a mutant. That was the whole intention, to be able to do that.”
https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/ms-marvel-finale-reveal-sana-amanat-interview-exclusive/
Suuure gotta line up a those ducks now.
SYNERGY RETCON NOW
She’s obviously lying
do you unironically think the writers, during editorial's artificial Inhumans push, were going "frick yeah, a new INHUMAN is going to be the new hot shit?"
No but she could have been a mutate like spider-man, I don’t get the mutie obsession.
they're popular and relatable. both left-wingers and right-wingers identify with the x-people
I said this in another thread but
Kamala = Teenage Superhero 2013 version
Mutant Powers = Puberty metaphor
It's low effort to the point of writing itself
To tie her into x-men stories instead of inhuman ones.
Kamala would've gotten cancelled after the first arc and shoved into the background of an X Men book if she were originally supposed to be a mutant
Bruh you don't actually think she was successful just because she was an inhuman right
They pushed her then and even now because she was an inhuman. Otherwise she’d easily just get overshadowed and thrown into the back seat with the rest. Hell it happened even with the push.
That's not what happened.
They pushed her as the first Muslim character with her own ongoing, her being Inhuman was secondary.
I specifically remember because she was on the Colbert Report and other shows shilling her book.
Whenever the character came up, it was always about her being Muslim.
Simon Baz was around, but people ignored him because DC sucks donkey ass at publicity.
I was the exact demographic they were pandering too at that time so I bought into her hype and it was always about her being Muslim that caught (my) peoples attention, they slapped on Inhuman onto her occasionally because no one actually gave a shit about Inhumans and Kamala allowed people to segue into them.
>no one actually gave a shit about Inhumans and Kamala allowed people to segue into them.
>not one mention of her being Inhuman, it's all about her being Muslim.
Damn, anons were right.
They only pushed her as hard as they did because they were pushing the Inhumans in general.
I think that they pushed her because of Captain Marvel. Her inhumans link played some role early in the vol 1, but it quickly became ignored
Wasn't she dragged into Xmen vs Inhumans and civil war 2 for the inhuman kidnapping connection?
They weren't pushing the new inhumans all that hard.
Remember Mosaic?
That's history revisionism
They pushed her because muh muslims
and Hillary
why obama is looking so sad and disappointed? like, he looks as if he realized that america is a joke or something?
Because of all the significantly more important things that he could had been doing, he is doing a photo op with some irrelevant capeshit creator and her shitty capeshit book.
She not just some capeshit creator, she's the cousin of Huma Abedin.
It's why Marvel hired her even though she had no business being in comics at that time.
He likes DC more than Marvel
Sana Amanat wasn't even an X-Men editor lmao
That doesn't mean anything.
It means there's no way she would pitch her as a mutant, doing so will only give her less control of the character. FF has to retcon Franklin to not being a mutant to get rid of x-office's control
That's a bullshit reasoning that was proven wrong again and again. But please, go on and tell me how x-office controlled franklin over the last 50 years
The FF writer literally said so, checkmate
dan slott is not an FF writer, and his opinions are irrelevant
And your opinions are more relevant because...
because I am not dan slott and I keep my deadlines without help
>Dan Slott
>source
homie, you need some better sauce
>It means there's no way she would pitch her as a mutant
That's funny because I can't think of an easier way to pitch a new Marvel character.
>doing so will only give her less control of the character.
Oh my God you're an idiot.
he quotes dan slott, that goes without saying
Slott fricking destroyed Franklin ever since that retcon
Franklin is too OP, he needs to be nerfed. And sharing a character with two different franchises is a bad idea. Look at Wanda and Quicksilver.
No, he doesn't. He needs to hookup with rachel for some /ss/ and make hyperstorm happen
He was already fricking nerfed
>thinking people only hate Slott because of Franklin
LMAOOOO
people only hate Slott because of Franklin
>LMAOOOO
>pretending anyone but x-gays would be triggered by a single post about Franklin not being a mutant
>imagine defending slott
you disgust me. I would tell you to have a nice day, but it would be a waste of a bullet
>being a moron who can't see the point
>no no no you must kys because you are definitely a Slottgay!
The point is that slott is not a credible source
The point is neither is Sana Amanat
While I don't believe her either, she created the character, so she's as credible as you can get
>Franklin Too OP
>When Krakoa already has 4 Reality Warpers of greater power and various copycat types like Synch, Rogue, Hope, etc that can do anything.
>And Wiccan and Scarlet Witch are now Honorary Mutants again to hide Mags Judenraus'ing of Wanda who are both more powerful than Franklin.
Franklin is better off without mutant indoctrination because they tried to take him from his family and would have screwed with him until he does a "No More Mutants 2.0" event. Even Krakoa is floundering on trying to "nerf" characters like Synch and failing since a basic gene edit, resurrection, or him copying any ageless mutant like Selene, Mystique, etc defeats that weakness.
Franklin was destroyed the moment he was created as a character with bullshit universal scale reality manipulation. You simply can't have a character that powerful in a shared universe setting. Just look at what happened to the X-men's reality manipulators on Krakoa and Otherworld, they got massively nerfed and jobbed.
Franklin was never under the X-office's control. Slott is just a vindictive piece of shit who didn't want to share the character even a little.
You can still create mutant characters even if you're not working on an X-Book you know
>You can still create mutant characters even if you're not working on an X-Book you know
And by the 80s you knew damn well your mutant OC would get dragged into the X-books and their oppression narrative whether you want it to happen or not. Back then you might consider that a risk worth taking if it might make the character sell better, but by the 2010s, when it wouldn't have helped sales at all, it's not a sensible decision to make unless you want your OC to be an X-Men character.
>Whirlwind
>Mandrill
You're cherry-picking exceptions here. Those are characters from the 60s and 70s respectively. Whirlwind basically stayed off the X-books' radar by being an Avengers villain-team mainstay and that the origin of his powers happens to be being a mutant is borderline irrelevant, while Mandrill is some weird 1970s racial issues Steve Gerber character that most writers don't even want to go near because he's a big ape man with rape powers. Mentallo and Nektra are "just happens to be a mutant" villains from the same time period who both got sucked into the X-books eventually.
I can name you more
>Portal
>Vance Astro
and more
>Mindworm
>Gibbon
>Bushwacker (albeit he probably isn't a mutant after all)
>The Lobo Brothers from Spider-Man
>Thanos
>Terrax
meanwhile, characters who interacted mostly with the x-teams, like D'Spayre, is considered a Doctor Strange nemesis, even if he fought Dr Strange literally two or three times
Most of these are characters Marvel doesn't even remember exist anymore. If anyone did remember them, they'd probably get grabbed by an X-book, like what recently happened to Judas Traveller.
Thanos and Terrax are aliens, and as such have nothing at all to do with Earth X-gene mutants.
I mean she was part of the nuhumans wave when xmen were being relegated to nowhereland thanks to no movie potential. She was probably pitched as a mutant at some point and then told to do an inhuman and after Wilson asked what inhumans were she said whatever and swapped.
I can totally believe Kamala being pitchet pre-Nuhuman as a mutie, and then recycled as inhuman.
frankly, Lockjaw aside, most if not all her initial stories might work even better as a mutie
Suuuuuuure
This week keeps on giving, and there is still friday, saturday and sunday. Do I dare to live long enough to see what more happens? Continued in next issue!
I feel like it's bullshit. Unless they have some sort of proof. Sure, there was an inhumans push to make everything inhuman, but if not for the push, I guess that Kamala would had been some kree-hybrid, or something similar. I doubt she was created as a mutie
>I guess that Kamala would had been some kree-hybrid
beside her being a fangirl of carol, she has nothing to do with the kree.
yeah, but maybe she would if no metahumans existed in MU
Anyway, it seems like retconning kamala is more or less confirmed. Kinda funny how I joked years ago that pic rel would happen, and the amount of seethe from kamalagays was unbelievable. They were so sure, that it would never ever happen not in million years. As a matter of fact, I will check the archives to find some of the reactions back then
This page reads a bit different now
>xgays seething over Slott again
You know no matter how you hate one writer, he's still the writer, have more authority than whoever you are
>not hating slott
that puts you lower in the foodchain than a pedophile
I hate him for his later years of ASM, doesn't change the fact he's still the writer of FF
He leaves FF. One issue left
Then still is, until August, what's so difficult for you to understand?
That means that he's no longer the ff writer, because he already wrote the last issue of FF (with the help of Gage)
That's not even the point, he's talking about his writing during his run on FF, thus he has the authority. If Hickman talked about some plot point in his FF, would you say his opinions are irrelevant?
and now that he doesn't do FF he doesn't have the authority any much longer.
> If Hickman talked about some plot point in his FF, would you say his opinions are irrelevant?
yes, as a matter of fact, I always consider his opinions irrelevant, and his recent run on x-men kinda proves it
By your logic, there's no way to know most of the behind the curtain things because writers have all been done with writing the book, thus all unreliable.
Then the original point stands, Sana Amanat is lying
that's why you have EDITORS as source, not WRITERS, because writers COME and GO
Editors come and go too, you know Amanat stopped editing a while ago right? Even less reliable than Slott. Or are you seriously defending Marvel editors, the ones allow writer like Slott to keep a job in the first place?
Your problem with Slott is honestly overblown in comparison to the shit Aaron is currently pulling out of his ass.
>all these inhumangays ITT
Cope
Kamala is coming home
The only inhumans character she ever really had fun interactions with was Lockjaw, so it's not exactly a massive loss.
and she can still have these interactions, you just know
I think the fact that no one cares about the Inhumans and the push was the most forced thing ever makes this pretty believable.
It's so funny they're just like "Yeah the CEO was crazy and made us push the Inhumans and not use X-Men" now
It's interesting we haven't had a real X-fanboy/girl as the Kitty Pryde intro character yet. Kamala works. Honestly Kamala as a mutant/X-Men who's an Avengers fangirl is even better.
I mean wasn't that the whole wolverine thing, she even said at one point that she thought she was a mutant because of said interaction.
Ye
Kamala is MADE for getting mind controlled, brainwashed and corrupted
Krakoa will brainwash her into a mutant soldier
and that's unironically a good thing
What will her new soldier uniform look like
It will have a Massive X on her chest
It will be a female version of the Captain Krakoa armor
She will also change her superhero name to Ms. Krakoa as well to embrace her new status
Sad we aren't getting more Captain Krakoa now that the cat is out of the bag
Duggan teased that there will be another Captain Krakoa since Forge didn't originally make the armor for Cyclops
Interesting how quickly Forge changed his mind on joining the X-Men
>Krakoa will brainwash her into a mutant soldier
How?
She'll be drafted to Krakoa's war college
How will that brainwash her
So are we going to see her have sex on Krakoa?
Who will she bang
Cyclops
This
She'll probably get paired with someone who can satisfy her MC fetish
Sinister will make a clone of her for his own purposes
What will the clone do
Either
or he will turn the clone into the biggest Mr Sinister fangirl
I prefer this instead
>Ms. Sinister
I like it.
I always thought it was weird that her first cross-over was with Wolverine. Even today he feels like he would be an odd choice for her. But even if it's true that they were flirting with the idea, it's going to feel like a cynical retcon. So, meh.
Kamala is going to for quintuple diversity point as a bisexual Arab Inhuman Mutant woman.
Everyone knows this, moron. But she was created in that window when Marvel was trying to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans. Kamala is a shit character anyway and she'd still be shit if she was a mutant.
It feels unreal. For the first time in a decade I visited some other comic book forums like CBR to grab some seethe. It's delicious, so fricking delicious I just gained weight
https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?155953-Inhumans-Appreciation-2022/page43
Inhumans bros
43 pages of discussion about the inhumans in 2022, crazy.
I really wonder if any of the nuhuman characters like Inferno, Flint and the like will ever come back outside of cameos.
Inhumans won an Eisner. X men didn't.
Inhumans got Disney banned in Hawaii. X Men didn't.
Inhuman and comic fans are fricking seething at this so much lmao
the whole 2 of them?
Should I watch the show?
It was pretty cute and fun overall, although with a big detour for the 4th and 5th episodes where she was out of town without the fun side characters. Worth a watch, but maybe only keep 4 and 5 on in the background while doing something else (or just watch some episode recaps on YouTube or something).
I have signed First edition Ms.Marvel that I feel like burning now.
Why
Sell it on eBay for money
>ideating
Is this person moronic?
Are you? It's a word and he's using it right.
The Marvel clowns and the circus still dancing
remember this?
https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/inhumans-resurrxion-readers-guide/
>Some of these Nuhumans include popular characters like Mosaic.
haha
shit it seems like I fricked up the second link, it was supposed to be a tumblr for some inhuman shill
https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/inhumans-resurrxion-readers-guide/
wonder what happened to the shills
Even before the Inhuman push fans were complaining that using mutants to explain a new character powers was lazy.
It's fairly obvious that the only she wasn't was because of Perlmutter
The one think I like about the inhuman origin is that it gives her a tangential connection to the Kree and thus more of a right to the Marvel name
I have no problem believing that, it's no secret that editorial wanted to push the inhumans at that time.
I do have a problem believing with that, because I can't think of an example of non-xmen mutant who had his own ongoing for long, if ever
>Namor
but then again, Namor doesn't care much about being a mutie, and it's been a while since he had an ongoing
Suuuuuure.
I don't see how this news has any relevance now beyond a bit of history and validating those people who wanted to ship Ms. Marvel with Cyclops
to hype up the x-folks?
like
>bendis is coming
only
>muties are coming to mcu
True, but they don't need more hype. They were already creaming their pants when Patrick Stewart glided onto the screen in that Doctor Strange movie.
I wonder if Kamala shouldn't rename herself to Marvel Girl now
>Kamala starts looking up to Jean Grey instead
Oh no no no no Carolsisters
I'm sorry to remind you, but recently Binary re-appeared in Captain Marvel. As you might know, Binary debuted design-wise on the pages of X-Men and was part of Starjammers... so.... you know...
And considering that both Deathbird and Mystique also debuted in Ms Marvel, and Danvers led Alpha Flight / Sword for a while, I can't help but wonder if Captain Marvel shouldn't count as x-book...
ok
She will still look up Jean, a much better role model compared to Carol and embrace Marvel Girl as her new superhero name
>gaslights Gwenpool into thinking she's a mutant
>gets made into a mutant herself
kek
Honestly, I was always surprised that she wasn't an X-Men. The first few issues are set up that way, discovering weird powers that happen out of nowhere, slowly coming to the realisation she's not a regular teen anymore... if it wasn't for the failed Inhumans push Marvel was going for, she absolutely would've been a mutant
don't forget the Wolverine team-up as well
Even ignoring all that, the whole thing's set up like a classic X-Men origin story. Did they even show her cocoon? I may be wrong, but I don't remember that ever being a thing in the comics.
Yes they did show the cocoon and there were several pages with the terrigen mist in Issue #1
The Wolverine team-up also had this page as well
looks like black egg, doesn't even look like regular inhuman cocoon
They did, but it looked different from the blue cocoons we saw at the time
It was a black glassy shell that formed after her exposure to the Terrigen Cloud
>They did, but it looked different
I remember at the time that it was really weird and unusual, there certainly was something off about it
Funny that armor is there considering Kamala stole her power for the mcu.
As usual, frick Ike
Does that mean she is going to join the orgy?
I don't like this character but I think this is the truth and not bullshit
Kamala was created when Marvel hated mutants because they didn't have the movie rights, that was the period in which Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver stopped being mutants, and even Squirrel Girl stopped being a mutant.
There were many little retcons of mutants into non mutants.
Kamala was probably created with the intention of making her a mutant, but Marvel forced the creator to make her an Inhuman. Because Marvel hated mutants back then.
Nevver read marvel comics what's the difference between an inhuman and mutant and why the frick are they two separate things