>As expected, Ms. Marvel is a HUGE bust for Kevin Feige on Disney Plus as it's the least-watched Marvel show by far, even worse than Hawkeye.
>Samba TV released its 5-day numbers where Ms. Marvel was only watched by 775k households, which is a near 50% drop from Feige's previous least-watched Marvel show, Hawkeye, and a 69% drop from the high of Loki.
>So that means half of the people watching the Marvel shows didn't bother to watch Ms. Marvel, even though they have an existing Disney Plus subscription where they can watch it basically for "free," but again, half of the Marvel fans chose not to watch Ms. Marvel.
what about what if
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I noticed that too. I think those were the numbers for the whoel show, though, not just the 5 day premiere
It is the time period or something, I am not sure. They can pick certain data and said it was the best or the worst as long as they focus on that way of measurement.
I think they are taking ratings/views till date and not just on the release date. Which for a streaming service makes sense since they usually dont have to worry about ad revenue
So Moon Knight could have gained viewers later after some buzz around it
The proper timeline was something like:
Loki
WV
CaWs
HE
MK
MM
With just the first having above 2mil views. Despite all other series having established MCU fandoms and/ or well known actors, they dropped hard after Loki. Was Loki that disappointing? I thought it was at least well made and decently acted. Story was okayish, no?
Well and noone seems to care about Ms Marvel since she is completely unknown for MCU fans and noone knows the actress. I hope it gets good word of mouth bcs it feels really well made, the comics style is nicely implimented sometimes and the actors are doing a good job imo. Would be sad, if this wouldnt get more seasons after Marvels.
>More people have D+ now than they did when WandaVision came out. >"Wow, after hearing about WV and watching it all in 1 weekend after it was over, I really enjoyed it and now I'm MORE likely to give other MCU shows a chance!"
Just because the movies have enjoyed an absurdly long streak of success doesn't mean any show profits from the association in the same way.
Especially one aimed at a niche audience.
You act as though the appeal of shows and their success are not relative to the production cost and audience they're made for.
Of course the spectacular Moon Knight show or the one with a movie fan fave like Loki has a broader audience on premiere than the teen drama show.
>Of course the spectacular Moon Knight show
Moon Knight is a complete no-name to the arvg viewer, Ms Marvel has been pushed by the Mouse as the face of next gen heroes since she was made.
Moon Knight has ZERO connection to the MCU, MCU fans KNOW the Ms Marvel is gonna be in The Marvels ... and even her name piggybacks off the Captain Marvel's success as a movie even if Brie isn't in the ad footage.
They damn near show off all of Moon Knight's tiny amount of cape appearances in the ad footage for this "spectacular show", this show didn't show much of anything and what we've seen isn't that interesting or good.
If you want to try to pull an excuse outta somewhere, cry that the promotional stuff for this show wasn't great or that somehow SW is preventing people from giving a frick about MM. Cause this show had a LOT more going for it than MK.
Doesn't matter.
It's a cape show attached to the Marvel name that had phenomenal trailers and pretty high-profile actors.
Whether it ties into the MCU's story is not as important as the sense of association and familiarity.
No shit does that have good ratings.
Also the amount of promotion for these shows has been nowhere near equal.
Proportional to the size and nature of the project, Ms Marvel's numbers are not terrible is my only real point.
>Also the amount of promotion for these shows has been nowhere near equal.
You're right.
"This b***h gonna be in THE Marvels! Ya know, the sequel movie that apparently is so focused on these other 2 women as co-stars that we just CAN'T call it Captain Marvel anymore! Her show leads into it!"
is waaaay more promotion than ...
"Here a "Not Bat-Man" outta no where, dressed in white, played by whats-his-face from the shitty SW movies ... has nothing to do with anything, not tied to shit. Hope you enjoy Egypt" got.
Marvel seems to believe Kamala has Peter Parker potential or something so they’re basically trying to headline her everywhere like they’ve done since her initial release. Games, tv, movies, comics, you name it.
They’re just missing the point and tanking the character like they have many times now. Frankly they would probably love to give Kamala her own movie franchise I bet, but we now see how that would’ve went and in the long term, there’s not much to work with whereas Carol and Monica are directly tied to a lot of SWORD and space stuff in the MCU’s future. So now Kamala is a space hero too guis, she totally deserves to come along.
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>So now Kamala is a space hero too guis, she totally deserves to come along
They changed her powers cause most people would think they're fricking gross with the budget they're working with.
I think they're trying to 2 hand her. Give her sparkle energy powers likely from some shit none to her people long ago or from some Eternals relic making shit so that she can actually make sense standing alongside "LITERAL EMBODIMENT OF ENERGY" heroes like Monica and Carol ... and make her powers be originated from mystical cultural origins so that she can dip into the magic side of the MCU that they're pushing.
>Ms Marvel has been pushed by the Mouse as the face of next gen heroes since she was made.
And it has been a failure in all the media she has been inserted in so far, because this Ms Marvel has all the characteristics that people don't like.
Makes sense to me. Some people wants super hero stuff that looks like...you know, superhero stuff.
If you show me, a weird trailer about Wanda and a trailer with some sort of White Batman Im gonna have more interest in the latter.
For casuals like myself that like cape stuff on cartoons and films but don't read comics being a legacy character or just being part of the avengers cinematic universe is not enough.
Hypothetically If you right now show me a trailer with...I don't know, a guy with machine guns that looks like black panther in a red costume I would watch even if I have no idea who is.
Meanwhile if you show me a trailer about Natasha's sister being a private detective I may try it at some point but wont have my inmediate interest.
>higher rate
So white people didn't give a shit about it while other ethnicities watched at presumably normal amounts? Or at least a proportionally smaller chunk didn't watch it
All those annoying MCU fetishists basedfacing seem to be less interested, if you dont at least pair the new one up with an established character. The younger folks seem to be happy to be more interested though. Who knows. Maybe the trailer was interesting to them.
>So white people didn't give a shit about it while other ethnicities watched at presumably normal amounts? Or at least a proportionally smaller chunk didn't watch it
Pretty much.
"Fewer older people and fewer white people watched this, causing the viewership of this MUCH less watched show's demographic to be mostly younger and non-white people"
I can't blame em. I'm 34, and I can see how the editing and production alone could be visually exhausting for some.
You say that, but, on a pure business aspect of things, a show like Ms. MArvel is the right move to do.
Your mistake is to think it is meant to create a huge mass appeal, like Avengers, but that's not the point.
the point is to draw in new audience, who then will take an interest to the rest of the MCU stuff, adding themselves to the already huge fanbase, meaning that for the next Avengers event, there will be an even bigger audience, as the new audience coming from Miss Marvel will now also watch it to see what Kamala do in it.
Do you really think there's people who didn't watch the dozens of Marvel movies and shows made in the last decades but will start now thanks to Kamala?
I guess you could say Kamala's bust was the real bust all along in this tale of two breasts. It's a shame because the MCU is such a JUGgernaut. Perhaps they should have just left this show on the rack and went with She-Hulk instead.
I was looking at these Marvel comics teen heroes and in the MCU they are problematic and do not reach the audience they want to reach, Cjampions and Young Avengers are the best examples of the disaster and lack of ideas and vision of Marvel comics when it comes to teen characters,
Do kids these days still pause videos to jerkoff to big Asian breasts bouncing around in the background of TV shows or has ubiquitous porn ruined that little bit of magic?
These days kids get more porn-level shit from music videos than we did from skinemax movies back then
It's what you get when the industry focuses on glorifying Black person music
>They cast a 20-something to portrait an underage girl >They cast an underage girl to portrait America Chavez
Did all casting experts in Hollywood commit ritual suicide or what?
>Well they did cast a chubby girl and expect as to believe that she could totally be a superhero.
It's such an odd choice.
In the comics, she's not super shapely or anything, but she IS at least a thin girl with body morphing borderline cartoon logic powers. I don't hate baby fat, but it's awkward seeing a not-very-flexible and not-very-dynamic short girl try to do not-very-complex action.
Strange seeing both Cap Marvel's and Monica's actors post instas of them working out and getting abs when we all know they're just gonna wear a padded, fake space military gear outfit (because MCU/ Kevin hates the thought of comics accurate female outfits, thinking "Skin tight shit on women is le BAD") yet ... no one told this girl to do shit other than roll outta bed and rock the chubby look?
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She is not even that Chubby. It's mostly the clothes.
she pull the costume right anyway.
>She is not even that Chubby
The point is, she IS chubby though. She could easily slim down if she wanted to or if production required it ... but they seem to want this.
Which is strange, given that the other grown ass women doing The Marvels both started out in shape and got in better shape for it, and the MM character isn't even chubby in the comics.
I guess she wins out though, they're all gonna be CGI models in their fighting scenes anyway ... hers will just look like awkwardly animated CGI if Episode 2 is anything to go off of. Suspension of disbelief has its limits, it gets tricky trying to realistically animate a human model that doesn't look all that fit for action. And given how much of her action had to be CGI in just that episode, it's only gonna get more noticeable.
I mean, I'm not calling her fat or disgusting or w/e. Just a strange choice that's gonna lead to some strange CGI/ action, from the looks of it. She seems fine going for the "outtashape little kid" look.
>The point is, she IS chubby though
Not reaaaly. It's a normal body. >Which is strange, given that the other grown ass women doing The Marvels both started out in shape and got in better shape for it
It help for the action scene and she probably train too. that doesn't mean becoming slimmer, just building more muscle mass.
She's a chubby short girl anon. And capes generally don't look chubby for a reason.
>she probably train too.
Look at her in episode 2, they're avoiding as much wire-work as they can and hiding her face to make the CGI easier even with the basic AF action they have. That woman isn't training to do shit.
I mean, I'd smash. Just an odd choice outta nowhere.
Why do you need an underage girl to lose that much weight to portray a character who is covered from head to toe? Her powers aren't even physical in nature lmao
Get the fashion industry propaganda out of your head. Pic related is not a healthy human
I didn't say anything about that anon.
Hailee Steinfeld sure af doesn't look like an unhealthy stick, but she's clearly not chubby and doesn't look awkward doing action scenes.
It legit annoys me that we will NEVER get a comics accurate female suite in the MCU if the comic base is in any way tight or form-fitting.
Doesn't matter that each of Monica's outfits are just as tight as Spidey's, I'm 100% sure she's gonna be in some padded out hard rubber looking space military gear that's painted Black and White when she shows up in The Marvels ... cause someone in charge (prob Kevin) thinks anything like this on a woman would be sexist.
>Well they did cast a chubby girl and expect as to believe that she could totally be a superhero.
It's such an odd choice.
In the comics, she's not super shapely or anything, but she IS at least a thin girl with body morphing borderline cartoon logic powers. I don't hate baby fat, but it's awkward seeing a not-very-flexible and not-very-dynamic short girl try to do not-very-complex action.
Strange seeing both Cap Marvel's and Monica's actors post instas of them working out and getting abs when we all know they're just gonna wear a padded, fake space military gear outfit (because MCU/ Kevin hates the thought of comics accurate female outfits, thinking "Skin tight shit on women is le BAD") yet ... no one told this girl to do shit other than roll outta bed and rock the chubby look?
She is not even that Chubby. It's mostly the clothes.
My biggest gripe with the show is her powers. All the embiggen memes.. gone and lost forever. And only bcs its Feige couldnt have 2 folks with visually sometimes similar powers? Sucks.
But at least they seem to have a better connection to future Kamalas cosmic powerset. Even if its done by Mjolnir "it just channels your powers" repetition.
>My biggest gripe with the show is her powers. All the embiggen memes.. gone and lost forever. And only bcs its Feige couldnt have 2 folks with visually sometimes similar powers? Sucks.
I think he wanted Reed to be portrayed first with stretchy powers in MCU
>My biggest gripe with the show is her powers. All the embiggen memes.. gone and lost forever. And only bcs its Feige couldnt have 2 folks with visually sometimes similar powers? Sucks.
I think he wanted Reed to be portrayed first with stretchy powers in MCU
In the first episode Kamala did the stretchy arm but it's purple light instead of flesh. I think they should keep that but remove the other Green Lantern aspects like making floating hard light shapes. That way, you get to keep her original powers in a sense without having to do flesh CGI.
Its not that they don't want two stretchy people. They've already had two iron man's, two generic super soldiers, multiple magicians/wizard types, etc. Its because kamala stretch powers are disgusting to the average viewer. One of the most consistent complaints about that avengers game from a year ago was that Kamala is a visually revolting character in motion, and if you can't sell it in a game, theres no way in hell it'll work in a pseudo tv budget.
It's a character no body has ever liked, yet was forced into every comic, made the main focus of the Avengers video game and now has a show that no one wanted to watch.
Won't be enough for what it costs. Also those are very much comedy shows and structed a lot different. This likely would have hooked more if it looked like Henry Danger or The Thundermans
>It's not like this is a bad thing - but its a fact - there are not so many teen drama fans among action flicks fans.
Wasn't that the bread and butter of most of the Archie Sonic run, though?
They'd been better odd filming it like one of their old Teen Super Sitcoms like Mighty Med or Lab Rats instead of the overproduced Marvel Style.
I kind of miss those kid/teen shows that took themselves mostly seriously and had a sense of adventure and genuine threat. Most I know come from Bongland, Straya and New Kiwiland like Spellbinder, Mirror Mirror, Shoebox Zoo, Maddigan's Quest, etc.
Wish someone imitated those with their teen-oriented capeshit.
i know right? what's wrong with a woman having fricking breasts and ass. oh yeah i forgot the libtards want to make genders obsolete so they can create some gender less society full of ambiguous shaped people they rule like a tyrant.
Makes sense given that it's so extremely targeted at early teen girls, and they are watching Tik Tok these days. Doesn't help that it looked like all those generic CW shows.
Yeah, the show is doing gangbusters for the kind of audience it has.
Comparing that to enormously more expensive action show productions that were all released at more ideal times for big numbers is extremely misleading.
Oh, the teen girl show about a Muslim nobody from Jersey can't hold up to shows about MCU-promoted heroes portrayed by A-list actors?
Color me surprised!
>The MCU prints gold lololol, they can make shit about ANY D-List nobody with some actor who can't make BO bank on their name alone and people will still go eat it up! You think anyone gave a flying frick about IronMan or GoTG before they made them hits? How successful are the NON-MCU movies these people star in?
>Oh wait ... a flop? Lets uno-reverse all that. Time to pull every excuse outta the book! No name character, no name brown actor, not hyped up by the movies and somehow this doesn't apply to MoonKnight (Yes,Oscar Isaac has been in a lot of stuff. No, the gen-pop don't set out to watch shit cause "Oscar Isaac is in it!").
Just because the movies have enjoyed an absurdly long streak of success doesn't mean any show profits from the association in the same way.
Especially one aimed at a niche audience.
You act as though the appeal of shows and their success are not relative to the production cost and audience they're made for.
Of course the spectacular Moon Knight show or the one with a movie fan fave like Loki has a broader audience on premiere than the teen drama show.
If the person was the person falsely believes Carol Danvers replace the original Captain Marvel who hasn't been around a really long time and so Kamala Khan took over the name in Captain Marvel by Carol Danvers become Captain Marvel for longer than Kamal has been anything at all.
They changed a ton of the comics, so not only do they have a female muslim lead which is a death sentence for American and British audiences they also shit over the fans interest.
Does Marvel really have any teen heroes to sell? It’s not like DC where they got Supergirl and Robin, which are more known commodities with some normalgays.
Not saying they need it, they can also do X-Men, which can also be about teens, but I dunno if they’ll do that.
No, they are all bad so none of them have appeal for teens because Marvel doesn't have good writers and they don't want to create teen characters that look and act like teens, for example a teen superhero would always want to show his muscles and his good shape, showing a lot of skin, interesting, great costume, interesting powers, Sylvie Lushton was the last one that appeared and disappeared
They had some cool and promising ones.
Then Hopeless happened.
Then Marvel where no one stays dead, decided that it's these characters who should be the ones to stay dead and/or forgotten.
no. they just weren't a complete failure like marvel's other attempts at new teen legacy heroes. after a year kamala's comic was below cancelation numbers but marvel kept going until last year sometime they finally gave up. she doesn't even have an ongoing right now.
I read the first 10ish issues and enjoyed them until I realized that the creator was foolish enough to make her powers truly OP without realizing, and chose to give her a long af list of drawbacks to keep her "street level fat fist" girl.
I believe most people who knew what the frick Moon Knight is, expected a Disney+' answer to Netflix Daredevil.
I bet it would've pulled better numbers if it eased up on the cringy comedy and had better action (Ellis' apartment fight issue, etc).
Well yes, because Feige the hype man said it was gonna be no holding back on how violent and dark it was. Of course he always loves exaggerating a bit. It's pretty fricking sanitized compared to Netflix.
The idea behind Kamala was originally a character with powers traditionally corresponding to those of a villain but received by a good person. However, for some reason some writers thought it was a bad idea, when in fact they were not up to what that premise demanded, so instead of making the effort themselves, they capped the character to fit what they wanted and could write. For this reason Kamala has received quite drastic changes in her original identity.
I'm telling you, today there are no quality writers who dare to be creative. That's why I'm glad that people with those attributes, who in the past created great works, succeed today in mass media, like Garth Ennis. He deserves his success because he has written daring, engaging and quality premises in the past.
I don’t understand this idea of “you need to appeal” to the kids. Like I grew up on Batman and spider man who were like in their 20s and 30s or some shit.
I got the impression that this show is for young girls like something that would've aired on the Disney channel, so it's odd how invested people are in its success being on the level as the more dramatic shows with adult protagonists.
>DAAAUUUURR IZ DA WOEK IZ WHAI NOBADY WATCHIN
Nah I ain't watching because its fricking stupid how they took her from expansion/stretching and just made her a green lantern knockoff.
>Got rid of her stretchy powers >Made her a generic GL-clone >Barely any characters from her book at all >muh "misunderstood geek 80s aesthetic"
Good riddance
Someone should have told the cast director this girl was way too fat for the role.
Also, I overall don't hate the show but sometimes it feels like I paused the series and started reading twitter.
Why the frick I should care about hijab or Pakistan story? I want to see a girl with giant hands punching alien robots.
I really wanted to give this show a chance, and first episode was okish.
But Im watching second episode and Jesus, I have making efforts to not just close up this shit.
An entire episode of twitter tier drama and racist cops is not making things easy
I'm sure it's fine, but I hate that they essentialy made her a green lantern and going forward any new GL stuff will have parallels drawn to this by stupid people and for that reason alone I'm not watching it.
PS, she cute. Frick, I'm going to jail, aren't I?
>As expected, Ms. Marvel is a HUGE bust for Kevin Feige on Disney Plus as it's the least-watched Marvel show by far, even worse than Hawkeye.
>Samba TV released its 5-day numbers where Ms. Marvel was only watched by 775k households, which is a near 50% drop from Feige's previous least-watched Marvel show, Hawkeye, and a 69% drop from the high of Loki.
>So that means half of the people watching the Marvel shows didn't bother to watch Ms. Marvel, even though they have an existing Disney Plus subscription where they can watch it basically for "free," but again, half of the Marvel fans chose not to watch Ms. Marvel.
Seriously?
I've heard nothing but praise for it, from critics to fans.
Obviously it's astroturfed and most news focused on diversity.
>as it's the least-watched Marvel show by far, even worse than Hawkeye.
Why must you cut so deep?
Should have given her meat hands, then at least people would watch it just to make fun of the grotesque cgi.
Sometimes even free is too expensive
>Disney Plus Marvel premiere five-day ratings:
>WandaVision: 1.6M
>The Falcon and the Winter Soldier: 1.8M
>Loki: 2.5M
>Hawkeye: 1.5M
>Moon Knight: 1.8M
>Ms. Marvel: 775K
KWAB
we don't say that word here
Holy fricking digits
Hold a minute, last month the story was that Moon Knight had the lowest and now it's the second highest?
Is this all bullshit?
It is the time period or something, I am not sure. They can pick certain data and said it was the best or the worst as long as they focus on that way of measurement.
Well Moon Knight got a lot good talks in media. The memes is quite big too
Can someone explain that?
I think they are taking ratings/views till date and not just on the release date. Which for a streaming service makes sense since they usually dont have to worry about ad revenue
So Moon Knight could have gained viewers later after some buzz around it
>Moon Knight: 1.8M
Based. People here tried to say that despite all the love this board had for the show that no one liked it.
what about what if
I noticed that too. I think those were the numbers for the whoel show, though, not just the 5 day premiere
Im surprised there is so many leftists and snoyboys watching DIsney + crap and capeshit
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>>Moon Knight: 1.8M
Daddy Isaac won
>Established heroes and popular actors give better numbers than literal who teen actress of a hero that's burned out in comics
Shocking
The proper timeline was something like:
Loki
WV
CaWs
HE
MK
MM
With just the first having above 2mil views. Despite all other series having established MCU fandoms and/ or well known actors, they dropped hard after Loki. Was Loki that disappointing? I thought it was at least well made and decently acted. Story was okayish, no?
Well and noone seems to care about Ms Marvel since she is completely unknown for MCU fans and noone knows the actress. I hope it gets good word of mouth bcs it feels really well made, the comics style is nicely implimented sometimes and the actors are doing a good job imo. Would be sad, if this wouldnt get more seasons after Marvels.
Plus Marvel premiere five-day ratings:
What does that mean? Ratings cumulatively for 5 episodes?
>>Moon Knight: 1.8M
: 1.6M
I call bullshit
>I call bullshit
It makes sense.
>More people have D+ now than they did when WandaVision came out.
>"Wow, after hearing about WV and watching it all in 1 weekend after it was over, I really enjoyed it and now I'm MORE likely to give other MCU shows a chance!"
>Of course the spectacular Moon Knight show
Moon Knight is a complete no-name to the arvg viewer, Ms Marvel has been pushed by the Mouse as the face of next gen heroes since she was made.
Moon Knight has ZERO connection to the MCU, MCU fans KNOW the Ms Marvel is gonna be in The Marvels ... and even her name piggybacks off the Captain Marvel's success as a movie even if Brie isn't in the ad footage.
They damn near show off all of Moon Knight's tiny amount of cape appearances in the ad footage for this "spectacular show", this show didn't show much of anything and what we've seen isn't that interesting or good.
If you want to try to pull an excuse outta somewhere, cry that the promotional stuff for this show wasn't great or that somehow SW is preventing people from giving a frick about MM. Cause this show had a LOT more going for it than MK.
Doesn't matter.
It's a cape show attached to the Marvel name that had phenomenal trailers and pretty high-profile actors.
Whether it ties into the MCU's story is not as important as the sense of association and familiarity.
No shit does that have good ratings.
Also the amount of promotion for these shows has been nowhere near equal.
Proportional to the size and nature of the project, Ms Marvel's numbers are not terrible is my only real point.
>Also the amount of promotion for these shows has been nowhere near equal.
You're right.
"This b***h gonna be in THE Marvels! Ya know, the sequel movie that apparently is so focused on these other 2 women as co-stars that we just CAN'T call it Captain Marvel anymore! Her show leads into it!"
is waaaay more promotion than ...
"Here a "Not Bat-Man" outta no where, dressed in white, played by whats-his-face from the shitty SW movies ... has nothing to do with anything, not tied to shit. Hope you enjoy Egypt" got.
That's why it's a big deal that this is floppin.
Marvel seems to believe Kamala has Peter Parker potential or something so they’re basically trying to headline her everywhere like they’ve done since her initial release. Games, tv, movies, comics, you name it.
They’re just missing the point and tanking the character like they have many times now. Frankly they would probably love to give Kamala her own movie franchise I bet, but we now see how that would’ve went and in the long term, there’s not much to work with whereas Carol and Monica are directly tied to a lot of SWORD and space stuff in the MCU’s future. So now Kamala is a space hero too guis, she totally deserves to come along.
>So now Kamala is a space hero too guis, she totally deserves to come along
They changed her powers cause most people would think they're fricking gross with the budget they're working with.
I think they're trying to 2 hand her. Give her sparkle energy powers likely from some shit none to her people long ago or from some Eternals relic making shit so that she can actually make sense standing alongside "LITERAL EMBODIMENT OF ENERGY" heroes like Monica and Carol ... and make her powers be originated from mystical cultural origins so that she can dip into the magic side of the MCU that they're pushing.
>Ms Marvel has been pushed by the Mouse as the face of next gen heroes since she was made.
And it has been a failure in all the media she has been inserted in so far, because this Ms Marvel has all the characteristics that people don't like.
Marvel is dying, it's over
Moon Knight got a "good start" and then quickly fizzled out because people just didn't give a shit
Makes sense to me. Some people wants super hero stuff that looks like...you know, superhero stuff.
If you show me, a weird trailer about Wanda and a trailer with some sort of White Batman Im gonna have more interest in the latter.
For casuals like myself that like cape stuff on cartoons and films but don't read comics being a legacy character or just being part of the avengers cinematic universe is not enough.
Hypothetically If you right now show me a trailer with...I don't know, a guy with machine guns that looks like black panther in a red costume I would watch even if I have no idea who is.
Meanwhile if you show me a trailer about Natasha's sister being a private detective I may try it at some point but wont have my inmediate interest.
>Moon Knight: 1.8M
is it good? i mean the title really interest me.
Its a decent watch if you go in with low expectations
Oscar Isaac carries it.
I’m all for shitting on the MCU, but what’s the source for this?
>muh source
I made it up moron. Cope.
My source is I made it the frick up
https://cosmicbook.news/ms-marvel-kevin-feige-least-watched-marvel-disney-plus
https://twitter.com/samba_tv/status/1537849958975643650
>higher rate
So white people didn't give a shit about it while other ethnicities watched at presumably normal amounts? Or at least a proportionally smaller chunk didn't watch it
Saying it drew a younger crown and saying it drew a more diverse crown is basically saying the same thing twice due to US demographics.
All those annoying MCU fetishists basedfacing seem to be less interested, if you dont at least pair the new one up with an established character. The younger folks seem to be happy to be more interested though. Who knows. Maybe the trailer was interesting to them.
>while other ethnicities watched at presumably normal amounts?
Which ones? The muslim ones think Disney is the devil.
>Which ones? The muslim ones think Disney is the devil.
They probably already hate all the haram she has done on the show so far
>So white people didn't give a shit about it while other ethnicities watched at presumably normal amounts? Or at least a proportionally smaller chunk didn't watch it
Pretty much.
"Fewer older people and fewer white people watched this, causing the viewership of this MUCH less watched show's demographic to be mostly younger and non-white people"
I can't blame em. I'm 34, and I can see how the editing and production alone could be visually exhausting for some.
More like sambo
>775k views in 5 days
There are B-tier Youtubers that pull better numbers.
No, not if you only count views on smart TVs with Samba TV installed. Most youtubers would be getting their views on phones or laptops
But what's SambaTv's source other than "I made it up"?
Im sure corporations value quality over quantity
they sure value equality over quality
You say that, but, on a pure business aspect of things, a show like Ms. MArvel is the right move to do.
Your mistake is to think it is meant to create a huge mass appeal, like Avengers, but that's not the point.
the point is to draw in new audience, who then will take an interest to the rest of the MCU stuff, adding themselves to the already huge fanbase, meaning that for the next Avengers event, there will be an even bigger audience, as the new audience coming from Miss Marvel will now also watch it to see what Kamala do in it.
I think most who watch it are already Avengers fans.
Do you really think there's people who didn't watch the dozens of Marvel movies and shows made in the last decades but will start now thanks to Kamala?
Wait a minute! how does disney + knows my ethnicity??!
Most surveys are made up. They ask 10 people than transfer that to the known viewership numbers.
>MUH DEMOS
KWAB did they borrow some of Tony Khan's copium?
How they know that?
Stop shilling your shitty site here, Pedo McGroin.
Which sucks, it’s easily the best MCU show on the platform. CBMgays are a cancer.
I saw
>Ms. Marvel huge bust
And got excited
>no source
Yeah, this is all BS.
>best show is least watched
predictable.
But Loki has the most views
Fair enough. It wasn't the worst. That was FaTWS.
The other ones were all alright, but with weird finales.
>Ms. Marvel huge bust
>Ms. Marvel huge bust
I've heard of low expectations but that's just sad.
I guess you could say Kamala's bust was the real bust all along in this tale of two breasts. It's a shame because the MCU is such a JUGgernaut. Perhaps they should have just left this show on the rack and went with She-Hulk instead.
Carlos...
>Only show with SOVL
>least watched
Many such cases
Probably due to the fact that people don't want to be invested in a show that may have a shit to meh ending like the other Marvel D+ shows.
>Ms Marvel huge bust
and brapper
That does look nice
Please... stop mogging Brie's pancakes...
Yeh. Brie belongs on a flat piece of white bread.
>butt zipper
They knew what they were doing
It is the backdoor to keeping the virginity. By religious law, it isnt real sex!
The joke about not filling out the suit doesn't work when Carol is a stick figure in this world.
>The joke about not filling out the suit
what joke? you didn't watch the fricking thing.
>wobbly camera to hide boring shot composition
Pakis look like THAT!?
>huge bust
I mean.... they're right
Never will be
she has such a nice body and her face is cute
Didn't all the Muslims watch it?
She's female. She's americanized. Functionally she's no different from a normal secular teenage high school girl. She doesn't even wear a hijab.
I can imagine they made her gay or she has a gay best friend with an episode revolving around standing up against homophobes.
>huge bust
If only she still had her shapeshifting, then she can really have a huge bust
cRiTiCs lOVe mS. MArVeL bUt ThE REviEws aRE beINg BoMBeD
I was looking at these Marvel comics teen heroes and in the MCU they are problematic and do not reach the audience they want to reach, Cjampions and Young Avengers are the best examples of the disaster and lack of ideas and vision of Marvel comics when it comes to teen characters,
OP btfo by Imani's milkers.
should have made her stretchy
>should have made her stretchy
Should have made her stretchy.
Does she even use the phrase "embiggening" in this?
>huge bust
Maybe then I would watch it
huge bust
Do kids these days still pause videos to jerkoff to big Asian breasts bouncing around in the background of TV shows or has ubiquitous porn ruined that little bit of magic?
It's probably too accessible now, no need to get busty girls from TV shows.
Its just creep shots for me, anything produced with subjects who are aware ruins it for me
Kek. Based.
These days kids get more porn-level shit from music videos than we did from skinemax movies back then
It's what you get when the industry focuses on glorifying Black person music
>these days
Dude, videos from your grandfather's time in the 80s had that shit in them too. It has very little to do with what type of music it is.
Holy moly! Also bisexual colors
Stop looking at the camera !!!
Good.
Well they did cast a chubby girl and expect as to believe that she could totally be a superhero.
>They cast a 20-something to portrait an underage girl
>They cast an underage girl to portrait America Chavez
Did all casting experts in Hollywood commit ritual suicide or what?
Casting 20s to portrait teens is old as frick in the movie industry.
It's gotten pretty bad though. Watching Bridgerton and Eloise has crow's feet and Penelope would as well if she hadn't eaten the missing sisters.
I dunno, let's ask Heimdall, Taskmaster or the Ancient One about it...
>Well they did cast a chubby girl and expect as to believe that she could totally be a superhero.
It's such an odd choice.
In the comics, she's not super shapely or anything, but she IS at least a thin girl with body morphing borderline cartoon logic powers. I don't hate baby fat, but it's awkward seeing a not-very-flexible and not-very-dynamic short girl try to do not-very-complex action.
Strange seeing both Cap Marvel's and Monica's actors post instas of them working out and getting abs when we all know they're just gonna wear a padded, fake space military gear outfit (because MCU/ Kevin hates the thought of comics accurate female outfits, thinking "Skin tight shit on women is le BAD") yet ... no one told this girl to do shit other than roll outta bed and rock the chubby look?
>She is not even that Chubby
The point is, she IS chubby though. She could easily slim down if she wanted to or if production required it ... but they seem to want this.
Which is strange, given that the other grown ass women doing The Marvels both started out in shape and got in better shape for it, and the MM character isn't even chubby in the comics.
I guess she wins out though, they're all gonna be CGI models in their fighting scenes anyway ... hers will just look like awkwardly animated CGI if Episode 2 is anything to go off of. Suspension of disbelief has its limits, it gets tricky trying to realistically animate a human model that doesn't look all that fit for action. And given how much of her action had to be CGI in just that episode, it's only gonna get more noticeable.
I mean, I'm not calling her fat or disgusting or w/e. Just a strange choice that's gonna lead to some strange CGI/ action, from the looks of it. She seems fine going for the "outtashape little kid" look.
>The point is, she IS chubby though
Not reaaaly. It's a normal body.
>Which is strange, given that the other grown ass women doing The Marvels both started out in shape and got in better shape for it
It help for the action scene and she probably train too. that doesn't mean becoming slimmer, just building more muscle mass.
>It's a normal body.
She's a chubby short girl anon. And capes generally don't look chubby for a reason.
>she probably train too.
Look at her in episode 2, they're avoiding as much wire-work as they can and hiding her face to make the CGI easier even with the basic AF action they have. That woman isn't training to do shit.
I mean, I'd smash. Just an odd choice outta nowhere.
Get the fashion industry propaganda out of your head. Pic related is not a healthy human
>She's a chubby short girl anon.
Not really. It's a normal body type.
>That woman isn't training to do shit.
I wouldn't be sure about it.
>It's a normal body.
maybe for a white american
Why do you need an underage girl to lose that much weight to portray a character who is covered from head to toe? Her powers aren't even physical in nature lmao
>Why do you need an underage girl
This b***h is 19, anon.
I didn't say anything about that anon.
Hailee Steinfeld sure af doesn't look like an unhealthy stick, but she's clearly not chubby and doesn't look awkward doing action scenes.
>she's a fatty fat fat fatty!
Go one then, show us an example of a healthy bodyweight
Didn't say she's fat. Put on your glasses anon.
She's not athletic looking at all. She looks like she can't run a fricking mile.
Go for a run fattie
>portray a character who is covered from head to toe?
You have described all the women in the MCU
Their heads are not covered.
Iron Heart will force the woke crowd to start eating each other and starting discourse about the "Islamization of Social Justice"
It legit annoys me that we will NEVER get a comics accurate female suite in the MCU if the comic base is in any way tight or form-fitting.
Doesn't matter that each of Monica's outfits are just as tight as Spidey's, I'm 100% sure she's gonna be in some padded out hard rubber looking space military gear that's painted Black and White when she shows up in The Marvels ... cause someone in charge (prob Kevin) thinks anything like this on a woman would be sexist.
She is not even that Chubby. It's mostly the clothes.
she pull the costume right anyway.
>McGroin
Stop shilling your garbage here.
>'Ms Marvel' HUGE BUST
correct
I refuse to watch the show until she stretches. Frick this Lean Lantern shit
My biggest gripe with the show is her powers. All the embiggen memes.. gone and lost forever. And only bcs its Feige couldnt have 2 folks with visually sometimes similar powers? Sucks.
But at least they seem to have a better connection to future Kamalas cosmic powerset. Even if its done by Mjolnir "it just channels your powers" repetition.
>My biggest gripe with the show is her powers. All the embiggen memes.. gone and lost forever. And only bcs its Feige couldnt have 2 folks with visually sometimes similar powers? Sucks.
I think he wanted Reed to be portrayed first with stretchy powers in MCU
In the first episode Kamala did the stretchy arm but it's purple light instead of flesh. I think they should keep that but remove the other Green Lantern aspects like making floating hard light shapes. That way, you get to keep her original powers in a sense without having to do flesh CGI.
Yeah they should have kept it hard light stretching from the body which would be best of both worlds for live action
Its not that they don't want two stretchy people. They've already had two iron man's, two generic super soldiers, multiple magicians/wizard types, etc. Its because kamala stretch powers are disgusting to the average viewer. One of the most consistent complaints about that avengers game from a year ago was that Kamala is a visually revolting character in motion, and if you can't sell it in a game, theres no way in hell it'll work in a pseudo tv budget.
She's bombing because the premise is boring and the exection itself goes nowhere interesting. What the frick was that first chapter?
boomers just refuse to accept kamala as ms. marvel.
>Actually, Miss Muslima flipping is accurate to the comics!
Hell yeah, another win.
bortus what are you doing on Cinemaphile
I would have watched it if they gave her comics powers
>A show about a character no one likes who idolizes another character no one likes
How is this a surprise
>MCU shills are desperately trying to convince people that their new shit is the best: episode #3748362524
I have more respect for snuff movie viewers than MCU capesht fans
It's a character no body has ever liked, yet was forced into every comic, made the main focus of the Avengers video game and now has a show that no one wanted to watch.
bad writers with moments. the actors are very good carrying this.
The MCU audience is largely millennial men. This just looked to kiddy for them
>MCU audience
>too kiddy
Yes. They went too far this time
To be more precise - too teeny.
Currently released episodes now looks like typical teen drama with a dash of superpowers.
It's not like this is a bad thing - but its a fact - there are not so many teen drama fans among action flicks fans.
It will catch on with the Nickelodeon/Disney Channel audience.
When will that happen? Sure hasn't been the last five days!
Won't be enough for what it costs. Also those are very much comedy shows and structed a lot different. This likely would have hooked more if it looked like Henry Danger or The Thundermans
>It's not like this is a bad thing - but its a fact - there are not so many teen drama fans among action flicks fans.
Wasn't that the bread and butter of most of the Archie Sonic run, though?
They'd been better odd filming it like one of their old Teen Super Sitcoms like Mighty Med or Lab Rats instead of the overproduced Marvel Style.
I kind of miss those kid/teen shows that took themselves mostly seriously and had a sense of adventure and genuine threat. Most I know come from Bongland, Straya and New Kiwiland like Spellbinder, Mirror Mirror, Shoebox Zoo, Maddigan's Quest, etc.
Wish someone imitated those with their teen-oriented capeshit.
You would think most of these snoyboys would actually watch a little girl super girl to jack off to her??
Imagine being mugged by this show opening day. I watched this show and I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who did.
>Black Scorpion
Really.
Kevin, please don't forget your suicide note.
>another woke replacement character no one likes
Did these gays like MCU Carol in the first place?
>Did these gays like MCU Carol in the first place?
Maybe they consider Carol as a woke replacement too?
>Matt McGloin
it's almost as if only a small group cares about kamala, mr feigget
huge bust?
the b***h is as flat a board.
It is disappointing that she has fat on all the wrong places
i know right? what's wrong with a woman having fricking breasts and ass. oh yeah i forgot the libtards want to make genders obsolete so they can create some gender less society full of ambiguous shaped people they rule like a tyrant.
I am enjoying the show a lot, personally.
Makes sense given that it's so extremely targeted at early teen girls, and they are watching Tik Tok these days. Doesn't help that it looked like all those generic CW shows.
There's a reason 'The CW' is up for sale.
Yeah, the show is doing gangbusters for the kind of audience it has.
Comparing that to enormously more expensive action show productions that were all released at more ideal times for big numbers is extremely misleading.
Oh, the teen girl show about a Muslim nobody from Jersey can't hold up to shows about MCU-promoted heroes portrayed by A-list actors?
Color me surprised!
>The MCU prints gold lololol, they can make shit about ANY D-List nobody with some actor who can't make BO bank on their name alone and people will still go eat it up! You think anyone gave a flying frick about IronMan or GoTG before they made them hits? How successful are the NON-MCU movies these people star in?
>Oh wait ... a flop? Lets uno-reverse all that. Time to pull every excuse outta the book! No name character, no name brown actor, not hyped up by the movies and somehow this doesn't apply to MoonKnight (Yes,Oscar Isaac has been in a lot of stuff. No, the gen-pop don't set out to watch shit cause "Oscar Isaac is in it!").
Just because the movies have enjoyed an absurdly long streak of success doesn't mean any show profits from the association in the same way.
Especially one aimed at a niche audience.
You act as though the appeal of shows and their success are not relative to the production cost and audience they're made for.
Of course the spectacular Moon Knight show or the one with a movie fan fave like Loki has a broader audience on premiere than the teen drama show.
Post kamala socks scene.
>Kamala socks
when and where
Episode 2, at the mosque.
>woke replacement character
Who did she replace?
If the person was the person falsely believes Carol Danvers replace the original Captain Marvel who hasn't been around a really long time and so Kamala Khan took over the name in Captain Marvel by Carol Danvers become Captain Marvel for longer than Kamal has been anything at all.
I just wanted live action growth and GTS and they couldn't get that right.
how is she muslim if she doesn't wear the hijaby
They changed a ton of the comics, so not only do they have a female muslim lead which is a death sentence for American and British audiences they also shit over the fans interest.
>fans interest
>kamala khan
No MCU features, no big talent, no big name, of course it would fail lol.
Her ratings just look small rather than further away from the camera.
Didn't even know it was airing
Took away the lewd stretchy powers, won't watch glowing purple cool aid girl.
you'll always be a sexless incel
Does Marvel really have any teen heroes to sell? It’s not like DC where they got Supergirl and Robin, which are more known commodities with some normalgays.
Not saying they need it, they can also do X-Men, which can also be about teens, but I dunno if they’ll do that.
Miles, I guess. I think they still might want to do something with Riri too
No, they are all bad so none of them have appeal for teens because Marvel doesn't have good writers and they don't want to create teen characters that look and act like teens, for example a teen superhero would always want to show his muscles and his good shape, showing a lot of skin, interesting, great costume, interesting powers, Sylvie Lushton was the last one that appeared and disappeared
>going comando
Based.
They had some cool and promising ones.
Then Hopeless happened.
Then Marvel where no one stays dead, decided that it's these characters who should be the ones to stay dead and/or forgotten.
You have no idea how much pleasure it gives me to watch everything Miss Moslem is in fail.
Didnt the comics become somewhat of a success though?
hahaha
no. they just weren't a complete failure like marvel's other attempts at new teen legacy heroes. after a year kamala's comic was below cancelation numbers but marvel kept going until last year sometime they finally gave up. she doesn't even have an ongoing right now.
In trades, yes
Same
What are some Ms. Marvel comics that are worth reading? I just want to narrow down what I'd like to read.
I read the first 10ish issues and enjoyed them until I realized that the creator was foolish enough to make her powers truly OP without realizing, and chose to give her a long af list of drawbacks to keep her "street level fat fist" girl.
That's a shame. One Punch Man is a one of a kind. And as a follow-up, is this one in her comic debut?
I have enclosed a comprehensive list of worthwhile Ms. Muslim comics, which is as follows:
Awwww, shame. Guess I'll go in blind. Wish me luck lads.
>teen oriented style and story
>no famous actors to draw people in
>unknown character with no prior connection the MCU
What did they expect.
Didn't even know it was out till I found out on accident.
I enjoyed it
>ms marvel huge bust
Horrible choice of words...
I believe most people who knew what the frick Moon Knight is, expected a Disney+' answer to Netflix Daredevil.
I bet it would've pulled better numbers if it eased up on the cringy comedy and had better action (Ellis' apartment fight issue, etc).
Well yes, because Feige the hype man said it was gonna be no holding back on how violent and dark it was. Of course he always loves exaggerating a bit. It's pretty fricking sanitized compared to Netflix.
Calling Kamala a woke superhero nobody likes and you see this person as objectively being truthful?
Somewhat
The moment they turned her into a discount Green Lantern is the moment they set themselves up for failure to even attract her niche comicbook fans.
The idea behind Kamala was originally a character with powers traditionally corresponding to those of a villain but received by a good person. However, for some reason some writers thought it was a bad idea, when in fact they were not up to what that premise demanded, so instead of making the effort themselves, they capped the character to fit what they wanted and could write. For this reason Kamala has received quite drastic changes in her original identity.
I'm telling you, today there are no quality writers who dare to be creative. That's why I'm glad that people with those attributes, who in the past created great works, succeed today in mass media, like Garth Ennis. He deserves his success because he has written daring, engaging and quality premises in the past.
>best fricking show we have git from Marvel
>Shit rating
EHHH
I don’t understand this idea of “you need to appeal” to the kids. Like I grew up on Batman and spider man who were like in their 20s and 30s or some shit.
I like the show. It's very ADHD, like the Scott Pilgrim movie
I got the impression that this show is for young girls like something that would've aired on the Disney channel, so it's odd how invested people are in its success being on the level as the more dramatic shows with adult protagonists.
>DAAAUUUURR IZ DA WOEK IZ WHAI NOBADY WATCHIN
Nah I ain't watching because its fricking stupid how they took her from expansion/stretching and just made her a green lantern knockoff.
>huge bust
Flop, flop, flop your show
Gently on the stream
Verily verily, verily, verily
It's success is but a dream
Top Gun was the herald: Woke shit will no longer be tolerated
I already saw it decades ago, and it was able to have decent shapeshifting on a fraction of the budget.
>your face will never be enveloped by her shimmering, silver, pubescent, amorphous pussy lips
Alas, the bitter truth.
>Got rid of her stretchy powers
>Made her a generic GL-clone
>Barely any characters from her book at all
>muh "misunderstood geek 80s aesthetic"
Good riddance
Where the Ginger Goose Stepper?
The show needed more Pakistanis so they skipped to Red dagger and made Kamran's mom the villain. I
How low can you go?
>Unpopular shit comic character is an unpopular shit show character
>McGloin article
>200+ posts
Cinemaphile is so moronic
>'Ms. Marvel' FLOP
I'd like to FLOP my face on those large boobs, TBqH.
>tfw when you get to frick a legal big-titted prostitute who looks 16
pure kino
>looks 16
In which universe? Not on this one thats for sure.
Thats like saying Garfield looked 15
Why is the lesbian on the right being handsy with the girl ? Creepy
Someone should have told the cast director this girl was way too fat for the role.
Also, I overall don't hate the show but sometimes it feels like I paused the series and started reading twitter.
Why the frick I should care about hijab or Pakistan story? I want to see a girl with giant hands punching alien robots.
This garbage has never ever been popular. Some super minority twatter/journo group just pretends to enjoy it.
Americans hate Muslims because of 9/11 that’s why. Kamala will always be associated with 9/11.
I really wanted to give this show a chance, and first episode was okish.
But Im watching second episode and Jesus, I have making efforts to not just close up this shit.
An entire episode of twitter tier drama and racist cops is not making things easy
>Ms. Marvel
>Huge bust
I dunno, they don't look THAT big to me.
Was it racism?
It was probably done by brown people.
>Ms. Marvel Huge Bust
🙂
>For Kevin Feige
>:(
That motherfricker won't know how to appreciate those milkers.
Reminds me of pic related and I don't like it.
Yes
Hoax hate no 194839848934934
Carol Danvers Ms Marvel fan did this
>Marvel
When did this word become so cursed?
I'm sure it's fine, but I hate that they essentialy made her a green lantern and going forward any new GL stuff will have parallels drawn to this by stupid people and for that reason alone I'm not watching it.
PS, she cute. Frick, I'm going to jail, aren't I?
>PS, she cute. Frick, I'm going to jail, aren't I?
The actress is 19.
Nice!
>Article by McGloin
Opinion discarded
Incase people forget, What If had 271k views, but its viewership increased later on, & its getting a season 2
The views only involve US audience & not the total views on global audiences
Ms Marvel only released 2 episodes, & its released on the same day as Obi-Wan. So this means nothing until this season is done.
So this is just projection when the series is not even done. Plus it's a show for teens & people should just learn to have fun
Cope, homosexual, the MCU is a dead franchise, people have no reason to waste their times watching anything from it
Might have something to do with the fact that it's considerably shittier than the rest of the phase 4 miniseries.
>reddit spacing
>fellating the mouse that hard and extensively
Literally can't imagine that this post was made without monetary compensation.
>considerably shittier
haven't watched this, but I find that hard to believe given how shitty the other miniseries were
Foot scene should have lasted longer
No Surprise
That bust doesn't look so huge to me.
stop adapting all shit all trash characters
Why is she so chubby? Kamala is supposed to be svelte with long, delicate features!
obesity is relatable to zoomer teens and tweens this show is aimed at