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Deserved
deserved
It is
Mulholland Drive sucks ass
I think it's very revealing that one of the greatest films ever made is essentially a massive fluke that was made with little rhyme or reason.
This isn't even true, Lost Highway was basically Mulholland Drive with a male lead. Lynch clearly had the basic idea for a while.
It reveals that there's more to art than the classic narrative structure. It wasn't a "fluke," though. You'd see the difference if Ed Wood had the material.
Reveling of what?
Scott Coffey posting here? Not exactly an honor.
>fails to get picked up by a tv show
>uh make a movie?
>script being written as the movie is being made
>actors told they'll find out what their characters will do when the director knows
>makes zero sense in the final edit
>uh...shit...the movie means whatever you want? or you dont get it, or something
>Doesn't make sense
You are moronic, only the nature of the relationship between Diane and Betty are confusing. The rest isn't
It's literally one of his most cohesive plots aside from Blue Velvet and Eraserhead, if you don't understand what happens in the movie, you're a fricking idiot.
Right - are these troll responses? Cinemaphile is trash but I thought this one accepted as one of Lynch's more linear narratives upon rewatch.
if there is not a definitive interpretation on wikipedia 20+ years after its release all claims of the movie being "clear" in meaning go straight into the trash without second glance
The first 2 hours are a dream, the last 30 minutes are reality. How autistic are you? Wikipedia doesn't even have a "themes and interpretations" column for most movies.
You went for the boring "muh dream" interpretation (that has several key gaps in it)
If you wanna be mommies special boy and pretend like there are parallel universes or wormholes, be my guest, but I'm not going to bother engaging with you.
Diane's dream is the inverse of her reality, which is slowly seeping in. That's that.
>The first 2 hours are a dream, the last 30 minutes are reality.
Plebbit take for morons with no imagination.
>Plebbit take
You should go back then, if the movie filtered you so hard that you had to go search up what happened on Reddit, you might be too far gone. Sheep.
They're making a movie within the movie (similar to Inland Empire). That's why some lines and scenes are delivered oddly, and the extras in some scenes transform into different people.
Also some unexplained things in dream theory, like why would Naomi Watt's character win a teenage jitterbug contest? She's clearly way too old for that, it makes sense if she's a character acting as a teen contestant
Whoops, meant for
Not for
It's alright, both of those are me anyway :^)
But on a real note, your interpretation is pretty interesting, it makes a lot more sense than most "alternative" theories I've seen. I don't really want to argue against it because from a bird's eye view it has a lot in common thematically with the dream theory.
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Like watch this, scene at 0:21 vs 0:40
The camera is focused and shows two very clearly different hands (pustule on the first hand), its an intentional shot. Different cuts of the same scene with 2 different butlers, but then camera cuts and shows the same fat butler again.
>0:21
0:14*. Also, the second hand shown is wearing a watch
What the frick was his problem?
COFFFFEEEE
Wow so Kubrickian, like the continuity errors in Clockwork Orange and the helicopter shadow in The Shining
I don't think they're making a movie in a movie. Naomi's character's 'dream' is her high on drugs. She's imagining a super saturated version of Hollywood and her success. If we were going to see what really happened it would be her failing then taking up drugs and spending most of the movie lying in bed high
I think it's more how she wished things would have gone rather than an actual dream. Similar thing to Lost Highway where it's an idealised lie/delusion that the character is telling themselves rather than what really happened.
>I need Wikipedia to spoonfeed me durrr
Hilarious.
>The Guardian asked six well-known film critics for their own perceptions of the overall meaning in Mulholland Drive. Neil Roberts of The Sun and Tom Charity of Time Out subscribe to the theory that Betty is Diane's projection of a happier life. Roger Ebert and Jonathan Ross seem to accept this interpretation, but both hesitate to overanalyze the film. Ebert states, "There is no explanation. There may not even be a mystery." Ross observes that there are storylines that go nowhere: "Perhaps these were leftovers from the pilot it was originally intended to be, or perhaps these things are the non-sequiturs and subconscious of dreams."[22] Philip French from The Observer sees it as an allusion to Hollywood tragedy, while Jane Douglas from the BBC rejects the theory of Betty's life as Diane's dream, but also warns against too much analysis.[22]
now you fricking pseuds will rage against """critics"""
wikipedia might be shit but ill take it over your """opinion""" any day
There's also the obvious vampiric elements of the movie (conspiring evil old couple, the parallels to Sunset Boulevard, and Camilla leeching Betty/Diane's youth/star power)
Mindbroken cattle, try thinking for yourself.
Lynch came from a background of painting and approaches some of his films in the way Salvador Dali may have approached a canvas. You should read up on the history of art and check out some filmmakers like Kenneth Anger, Maya Deren and Jodorowsky to get a better sense of where Lynch is coming from.
are you crazy? why would i do that work when there is no indication that lynch has anything worthwhile to impart
add to that that lynchpseuds dont come across as sophisticated people but rather as midwits that want to sound smart
I appreciate the insight, thanks. I will look into those artists, I am already a Lymch fan but maybe I'll get a new perspective.
??? The general consensus has always been that it's a dream
lol im actually embarrassed for you that you think that way
i don't really get blue velvet either
A mix of sexual repression, America's dark underbelly, and the terror of existence. At least that's how I see it.
i'd say elephant man but that isnt just lynch writing. imo lynch needs someone else writing for or with him to make him shine the most. surreal is nice and all, but it doesnt work for 90 minutes and a lot of people will tune out because its not for everyone to have interpretable imagery presented in such manner.
While what you're saying is true, it's not nearly as obtuse as most of Lynch's nonsense and falls into his Twin Peaks universe which is just an allegory for the decline of the USA once it inherited world hegemony in the 1940s. The bright bubbly and innocent Betty is from the America Lynch wishes we could live in, dark Betty is the American reality. It's the same in all his coherent movies. Lynch just hides his simple theme and moralizing behind a veneer of 2deep4u auteur larping so he's kept immune to criticism or left wing nonsense. In actuality Lynch is a soft right simplistic pseud if you're above average intellect and can actually look past his smoke screen to see what he's really trying to say.
>allegory for the decline of the USA
I think it’s just a knockoff of Ingmar Bergman’s persona honestly, but nice to see another interpretation that isn’t just “le hollywood”
This. Betty and Rita are the same person.
Jay Dyer has a good analysis on youtube where he comes to this conclusion as well
They're all Diane. Everyone in the dream is imagined by Diane. They're all her manifestations.
Betty is who Diane wants to be (a talented up-and-comer drowning in opportunity, with an interesting life and her dream lover). More akin to the life that Camilla leads.
Rita is who Diane wants Camilla to be (a shitty actress with no actual identity, who is dependent on Betty for literally everything). This is a projection of Diane, who is probably a shitty actress and is dependent on Camilla for acting roles and basically doesn't exist without Camilla.
Rita changing her hair to Betty’s and then them literally morphing into one person at Club Silencio spells it out pretty obviously that it’s a Persona situation imo
>script being written as the movie is being made
Worked for the Sopranos
It's not the best of all time but it's my favorite.
>be me in current year
>go and watch mulholland drive for the first time
>movie turns inevitably surreal
>check out mentally
>afterwards turn to wikipedia to see if there has been a definite interpretion since its release
>nope.jpeg
>close the stream
>close wikipedia
>never give it another thought
not getting lynched feels good bros
>not getting lynched feels good bros
your little homosexual blog post proves otherwise
lurk moar
lynched
jilette'd
You are not welcome in the kinoplex.
The entire point is that there's no valid singular interpretation. It doesn't mean there's no interpretations though. And that's why it succeeds as art and is so good. It invokes so many different responses depending on who's watching it.
It never feels random. It's why it makes so many pseuds seethe because so many morons have this idea that there needs to be an objective interpretation. Think of the sort of people that ask a director what a film means instead of just watching the film.
>The entire point is that there's no valid singular interpretation.
This is such an early 2000's take. Nowadays there's so much bullshit out there that you can't just sell it as "it can mean multiple things bro".
It is possible for things to be incredibly deep and thought provoking, even surreal films, without being just randomly cobbled together bs. Just look at what Synecdoche New York did.
This movie is like LOST but for pretentious people.
Not everything needs a singular meaning. It's sad that you can't understand things beyond how to sell them.
>Not everything needs a singular meaning
Only bullshit doesn't
filtered softly
>thinking that art needs an artist
lol one day maybe you'll learn
that's exactly what it needs pseud. the great thing about art is the human intention behind it. a thing that requires sentience
if u even understand what that means
>And that's why it succeeds as art and is so good.
that's precisely why it fails as art and only succeeds at appealing to pseuds.
lynch ultimately has nothing to convey. he's an empty shell of an artist. you might as well look at random noise patterns and come up with some forms you can make out in it. that's the story-telling equivalent of what lynch is providing
thus it belongs into the garbage can
Why are you bragging about being a moron?
>a lynchpseud thinks im moronic
oh no
anyway
You're the guy who thinks the validity of an interpretation relies on it being on Wikipedia (which anyone can edit)
i am the guy who thinks that lynch only shits stuff out without rhyme or reason and thus is not worth anyone's time or attention. i would accept a commonly known, definitive interpretation of mulholland dr as evidence to the contrary
i acknowledge that there is no such interpretation
therefore into the trash he goes together with all you lynchpseuds
It's a fricking dream dude, multiple people have replied to you saying this. Here, I have a wikipedia article for you. Help yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
>it's a dream
>literally trust me bro-tier damage control
kek
>Diane's life is shit, failed actress with a failed relationship, implied no family members
>Betty's life is idyllic, successful budding acting career, Rita (who looks down on her in reality) looks up to her
>when the blue box appears, Betty and Rita disappear and Diane wakes up because she realizes she's dreaming
It's really not that hard. Just pay attention next time, your attention span is shot.
You Literally see Diane laying down in her bed with her head buried in the pillow at the start of the movie.
same type of mentality that thinks everyone listens to Captain Beefheart ironically and not because its the most original thing in rock
I thought the definite interpretation was that it was a guilt-fueled dream slowly turning into a nightmare.
I honestly didn't like it all that much. Weird, since I enjoy pretty much everything the guys done. Isn't it his highest rated film or something?
definitely one of the best female performances of all time
Not even lynch’s top 3
>Gay shit used to amplify the level of angst and mental anguish of the protagonist leading to a more tragic and also compelling story without making either of them ugly.
Why don't more films do this exactly?
Not even the best David Lynch movie.
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Goddard is a notorious moron tho
Prove it
based and correct, mulholland drive is meaningless. blue velvet is real kino
Literally everyone's dreams are about themselves.
They don’t make them into feature films and claim they have some profound meaning though do they dummy.
>They don’t make them into feature films
They should
>claim they have some profound meaning
Lynch doesn't do that
He does. Now go watch some real cinema- GODard
If anyone does it's Godard. He is a pretentious hack.
A hack? Okay now I know I’m talking to someone with sub human IQ. Without the French wave and Breathless we’d all be stuck watching poo. We’re all children of Godard wether you like it or not- it’s a fact. I know you’re too stupid and ignorant to realise this as to understand Godard you need a deep knowledge of the history of art and cinema. You keep throwing the word hack around though makes you sound real clever and cool!!
This movie was terrible. It's only saving grace is the lesbian scene
Lynched
undeserved. not that I dislike it but it's not that great.
This movie reminds me of Thomas Pynchon books. He just writes a bunch of random shit that sounds profound whilst high on LSD.
And then later people ask him what it means, he says idk I wrote it on LSD
Its possibly one of the most complex films of all time. Amazing that Lynch is able to make something so surreal yet with so much substance. Every single surreal thing in the film has a reason to be shown and links back to the plot.
Slightly off topic, but I've noticed that all those people who are mad for Lynch that I met IRL are also some of the biggest losers. What is it about him that attracts them so far? I'm talking about people who call him their favourite director ever.
its really good
i love Naomi Watts
My favorite cooming movie.
I thought it was about the casting couch.
I first saw the movie in high school but then I remember a different time I saw the movie when I drank almost a 5th of whiskey on my own and I cried during the Roy Orbison opera scene.
Top tier Naomi. Crushie Chica is fine too.
>>dat couch scene
Blue Velvet> Wild at Heart> Mulholland Drive> Elephant Man>>> the rest
Agree
>ITT
i can save her. and i can save laura palmer as well.
you can't save the one from inland empire though
She saved herself (with the help of her polish soulmate)
It's actually so fricking funny how hard Lynch makes midwit materialists seethe in frustration lmfao
Lynch is midwit central
never seen it
so true
The films alright. Twin peaks is alright. The lynch sucking off is cringe the lynch hate is cringe.
It's not watchable, you gotta be locked in
NO ES FACIL DE
ENTENDER
Who was the doctor?
nothing could have prepared me for this
The only Lynch films I've seen are Mulholland Drive, Rabbits, and Dune. What should I watch next?
I don't feel like watching a series, so I'm skipping Twin Peaks for now.
If you want something relatively straight forward, Blue Velvet
Or Eraserhead if you're into the more surreal/abstract stuff
I remember when I was 19 watching blue velvet and mulholland drive thinking
>holy shit this is so deep there’s so many meanings to these movies it’s insane. Pure genius storytelling…so many interpretations to be had!
Now that I’m pushing 30 I realize it’s all artsy psued nonsense made for autistic film analysts to gawk at.
Proof that movie watchers are just as braindead as anime watchers since they both praise shit like this and evangelion.
Literally a cancelled TV pilot with 20 minutes of
>IT WAS LE DREAM JUST LIKE WIZARD OF OZ
stitched onto the end. Are there really still people out there who act like Lynch movies have some deep allegory underneath them?
Eraserhead is such fricking a hollow nothingburger it’s not even funny.
>LE FATHERHOOD
This has been the most common interpretation of the film for 40 years and Lynch says he’s never heard the “true” interpretation of the film to this day, so it’s not that. It’s not anything. I’ve never even heard someone attempt to explain the pencil factory scene. It’s all drivel.
And don’t even get me started on Inland Empire. The actors admitted during press conferences the movie had no script and they were just filming random bullshit and Lynch sperged out and insisted there was a script…
He’s such a pretentious dweeb oh no these interpretations are all wrong and I’m never going to tell you that’s his smart I am haw haw haw.
he is simply trolling the audience. which is why the mulholland dvd contained "10 clues" to solving the mystery which trolling lynchpseuds here claim doesnt exist
I don’t think he’s trolling, I think he’s a weird dude who actually believes there’s something there, because there is in his schizo mind, but other people acting like they’re in on it is extremely cringe. Same with the TM shit, it’s obvious bullshit, but I think David really does believe it’s real.
Literally no one has ever said that. Therefore, there is no such reputation. Ergo, your premise falls before my crushing logic.
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Wtf, Fire Walk With Me over Blue Velvet?
Davis Lynch is a spaghetti artist. If someone claims to like his "work", it's an intellectual red flag.
I liked the movie for its style. I understood the plot after replaying it in my head, but I don't really like having to do that to make sense of a movie. It definitely isn't as deep as some make it out to be.
Its an entertaining shitpost
For supposedly being the greatest movie of all time, it's very forgettable. I only remember two things:
1. The weird burnt lady.
2. Naomi Watts and that brunette chick having a very hot lesbian makeout scene that I've fapped to a couple of times.
>How do you feel about it's reputation as the best movie of all time?
I don't know. I saw some boobies, did my business, then turned the movie off.
I liked it, but I'll admit the movie makes little sense.