The movie went through extensive reshoots, which is why it feels disjointed.
>Post-reshoots Strange is conflicted about the results of the Blip and his main character arc is letting go of Christine.
>Pre-reshoots Strange is sure he did the right thing and is being an butthole about it, thinking he is always right about everything. His main character arc is to stop trying to control everything and trust others.
>Post-reshoots Strange and America Chavez get along pretty well, and Strange’s main goal finding the Book of Vishanti is to stop Wanda.
>Pre-reshoots Strange and America hate each other, and Strange’s main goal finding the Book of Vishanti is taking America’s power without killing her.
>Post-reshoots Supreme Strange accidentally destroyed a universe by using the Darkhold and was executed by the Illuminati.
>Pre-reshoots Supreme Strange actually sacrificed himself to stop Thanos, showing Strange his way wasn’t the only way. The concept of incursions comes from reshoots.
>Post-reshoots Sinister Strange went crazy because he lost his Christine.
>Pre-reshoots Sinister Strange went crazy because he wanted to more power.
>Post-reshoots Illuminati had Mister Fantastic and Black Bolt.
>Pre-reshoots Illuminati had Iron Monger and Balder the Brave.
>Post-reshoots final battle is just zombie Strange, Wong and America VS. Wanda.
>Pre-reshoots final battle also includes the minotaur dude and the other sorcerers fighting Wanda’s demon minions.
>Post-reshoots ending is Strange growing the third eye because he used the Darkhold.
>Pre-reshoots ending is Strange left stranded in the ruined universe while Sinister Strange takes his place in the MCU.
Reshoots also some dumb scenes like the memory store and some kino scenes like the music battle.
Raimi is a hack, I will never understand reddit's obsession with him
>Raimi is a hack, I will never understand reddit's obsession with him
Disney Marvel and Disney Star Wars are Studio movies not Director's movies. This is why Strange II: M.O.M. was Lesbian Chavez oriented.
Feige and Kennedy think they are George Lucas and can ghost direct and write.
MCU is dead, bury it
It may be wounded, but it's not dead.
I wish we got Sinister Strange in the main timeline plus an America corruption arc as she was mentored by the wrong Sorcerer Supreme
Was Wanda's motivation still fricked up?
>I want kids but instead of giving birth or adopting I'll hunt down a girl from another universe to take me to another another universe to kill my doppelganger who has kids and replace her as their mother
I really can't envision a version of this story that makes any sense.
She could just find literally any guy and frick his brains out. Who would say no?
She wants her kids back, not new kids with some rando. As stupid as this plot was in the comics and again in the MCU, both times we ended up with so many total brainlets asking this moron question.
It's supposed to be fricked, is it not ? Wanda just cope about it. Yeah, going to another universe to kill another innocent women to steal her kid because you can't cope about the fake kids that never existed you invented to cope with your lover death not being real is pretty fricking bad.
The motivation doesn't make any sense at all. It makes even less sense if you've watched WandaVision where the kids are repeatedly stated to be real (just unable to survive outside their environment) and where they are yelling for her help at the end.
I assumed from that that she thought they were trapped in the multiverse somewhere and she would do anything to get them back, but even that has the problem that they had Wong point out, that she didn't actually need to drain America's powers to go to another universe and get the kids.
Kids being real is a massive fricking cope.
It's literally stated in the show.
I really don't understand why this movie is trying to retcon that and claim the twins weren't real, when there's an upcoming show bringing at least one of them back. Just because in the comics they were real then they weren't and now they are again doesn't mean the movies have to repeat that exactly. Comics readers have been trained to just accept retcons happening and later getting undone, but that kind of crap will make normie TV and movie audiences lose interest and move on to something else that doesn't keep changing it's own continuity.
People had a hard time buying the whole "magic kid who existed for two kid are real" stuff.
Right, that's the point in the MCU where people finally drew the line and decided they had a hard time buying something.
It really seems more like it's comics readers who started reading in the years between 1989 and 2005 and grew up with the status quo of the kids being fake just refusing to accept them as real. There's no normie backlash going on over them.
They're bringing at least one of the kids back, which makes things look very poorly coordinated.
>Yeah, going to another universe to kill another innocent women to steal her kid because you can't cope about the fake kids that never existed you invented to cope with your lover death not being real is pretty fricking bad.
What makes it so utterly stupid is that should could have just gone to a universe where the kids lost their mom and take over for her. No murdering is necessary. Her plan is as stupid as Thanos' and that's why neither is the slightest bit sympathetic and it's so impossible to take either character seriously.
>The movie went through extensive reshoots, which is why it feels disjointed.
Every fricking Marvel movie goes through extensive reshoots because they only decide on the tone of the movie while test screening it AFTER the movie is already shot. You're not telling us anything new here.
>Pre-reshoots Illuminati had Iron Monger and Balder the Brave.
Some of the leaks here said Bruce Campbell was Balder. And though Campbell has never said anything officially, he did talk an awful lot about reshoots and being a completely different character from Pizza Poppa, which leads me to believe that leak to be true.
It isn't. Daniel Craig would have played Balder.
Really?
Yep.
Yep
>Post-reshoots ending is Strange growing the third eye because he used the Darkhold.
That can't be true, because the entire plot leaked to Reddit in 2021 before reshoots happened, and it mentioned the third eye scene.
That leak did confirm some of the other stuff, though. It said that the Illuminati are from a universe where Strange sacrificed himself to stop Thanos. The Darkhold thing was probably added to pacify people complaining about Wanda: see, both alternate versions of Doctor Strange also turned bad because of the Darkhold, so what are you complaining about?
And since a lot of the reshoots seem to have involved America Chavez it does seem likely that they toned her down and made her nicer to Strange (at the cost of giving her any personality at all).
Also the person who leaked the plot to Reddit described the final battle as being between Wanda and Chavez as America punches them in and out of different universes. I think they mentioned there was supposed to be an animated universe where they both become Disney fairy tale characters.
It seems likely they just ran out of time or money to finish this scene and substituted Strange and America's quick multiverse tour so they could claim we saw multiple universes in the movie.
I don't get the Wanda bullshit honestly.
She go off the deep end and do something fricked up and become the vilain, that's basicly it. Yeah it's moronic, but I don't see why you need to go "Bu-but it's the Darkhold".
Someone is going to why-do-you-care me for raising this argument again, but: she was already established in WandaVision as someone who would willingly wipe her children from existence when they couldn't survive without hurting other people.
So to make her do what she did in this movie, they had to have a device to make her much worse than we had ever seen her be before, even in the two projects where she was the antagonist (Avengers 2 and WandaVision).
So it's "reading turns you evil" is what they went with, and that became an excuse for her incoherent motivations, the "what if they get sick?" bullshit and her total inability to consider that if she killed kids' mother they probably wouldn't like her. With this book, nothing she does has to make sense, it's the greatest writer's plot device ever.
I wish Sam Raisi wasn't such a yes man