my uncle worked as a mechanic for ferrari american division in the 80s. was tasked to deliver two ferraris to the set of miami vice. there he meets the director micheal mann so he takes michael man on this test drive and after micheal mann says it’s just an audi piece of shit. my uncle hates michael mann but heats still one of his favorite movies lol
Based. So I wonder what Michael Mann's idea of an actual good driving experience is?
He couldn't tell you. He was just negging someone from the Ferrari company as a flex.
another box office flop for adam driver
He's not wrong, they do drive like shit but so do all supercars from the dawn of time till about 1988
>ferrari drives like shit
tell me you never sat in a ferrari without telling me
>Sarah Gadon
Who's that?
Beloved and acclaimed Canadian actress Sarah Gadon, star of Michael Mann's film Ferrari
I'm not a car guy, do car enthusiasts really consider Audi to be bad? Are Italian car fans against German cars on principle or are Italian engines really better or something? I assume that the preferences aren't purely looks.
italian cars have sovl, the germans have good engineering. mercedes is classy, bmw is high tech and performant, audi is kind of boring in comparison. they're reasonable cars but not very exciting
what's even more insulting was that audi wasn't a luxury brand in the 80s. they sold cheap cars
they did some of their best work in the 80s
How can anyone watch this and say that German cars have no soul is beyond me.
They lost their soul with modern Transformers-vomit design.
Watch this and tell me you didn't have wet corners in your eyes:
Audi at the time of the 80’s was peak comfy. Their Quattro was just released for the street, the turbo five cylinder was killing everything in its segment, and then the entire brand was nearly killed because of “unintended acceleration” drama that made them cheap to buy.
But compared to a Ferrari, it’s like comparing a prancing show pony, to a raring racing thoroughbred with pedigree traced back for over 100 years. Ferraris have always been rich playboy cars pretending to be race car drivers. While actual race car drivers have viewed the brand with reverence because of the racing pedigree behind them.
Audi's lack of F1 presence hurt them since they've been racing single-seater since the Grand Prix days. Porsche still doesn't get F1 as far as fans are concerned.
>do car enthusiasts really consider Audi to be bad
Up until about 5 years ago yes, they were understeery, needlessly overengineered but underbuilt pieces of expensive to maintain shit.
German cars are nowadays frowned upon because of the unnecessary overengineering.
Need a new shock absorber? That's 2,400.00 EUR.
Headlight not working right? Need to replace the entire unit for 900.00 EUR.
Need to replace spark plugs? No you can't do that yourself, you need proprietary tools that you can't buy, so you have to visit our garage and pay 300.00 EUR.
Ferraris aren't without fault as well, they're not compromising at all to get the best performance out of them. For a lot of middle engined Ferraris that means that you need to drop the entire engine out of the chassis only to change sparkplugs or to replace a manifold gasket. It's hilarious to see how a sparkplug change takes 2 people and 6 hours...
Funny thing is that that's exactly how Lamborghini as a performance car manufacturer came into existence.
At the time when they were just a tractor manufacturer, Ferruccio Lamborghini bought a Ferrari and found the car to be shit. So he visited Enzo, told him how to improve his cars and Enzo told him to frick off and play with his tractors. So Ferruccio went home and started designing his first Lamborghini performance car, based on his idea how a Ferrari should be.
It’s not over engineering with German cars. It’s a pricing strategy. Aftermarket sales make a huge part of the profit.
Engineered microtransactions is the next level to planned obsolescence. Combined with everything as a service.
You WILL pay a monthly fee to unlock hardware already installed in your car.
You WILL pay the replacement fees for minor damage.
You WILL rent your car.
>So he visited Enzo, told him how to improve his cars and Enzo told him to frick off and play with his tractors. So Ferruccio went home and started designing his first Lamborghini performance car, based on his idea how a Ferrari should be.
That's pretty based. I always like when someone does something better out of spite.
Ferrari birthed Lamborghini, Lamborghini birthed Pagani.
Give me the qrd on Pagani. I had one in gran turismo 3 but I never used it.
Imagine tacky Italian fashion but with cars.
Yeah they look really ugly that's why I never used it.
The Zonda F, Huayra coupe, and Huayra roadster look really nice, but all the other special models look moronic
I can't get past the headlights they look like little bug eyes.
Not much drama there, Italian manager of Lamborghini's composite department broke it off with Lamborghini and made his own car
American expectationd. Half unrealistic but also half accurate.
italian exotics are expected to have panache. wow factor. Handmade artistry that makes you fall in love and forgive its faults, similar to how a woman makes you feel
Audi is considered cold and competent. Their accountants made sure the numbers added up before making any rash creative decisions, and they share the same parts bin as volkswagon. The other German performance brands are similarly harshly scrutinized for any imperfections and are supposed to be more "adult" than "fun". (Porsche gets to be fun tho)
these are just memes stemming from a need to personify brands. They all have made kickass cars.
all that to say, yea if Ferrari can't produce something more flashy than what the Germans were doing then why the hell should someone pay Ferrari prices? Audis weren't bad. I think the problem is that they were TOO GOOD in the late 80s while Ferrari rested on its Laurels. I'd say right now in the 2020s most companies have settled into their grooves and niches pretty well. Most have at least one era of motorsport they dominated in that they can point to for sporting cred
>t. guy that exclusively owns American and Japanese cars and is talking out his ass
Audi used to be considered meh until they started making actual good racing cars, the Quattro in the 80's and their Le Mans cars in the 00's were dominating for almost a decade with the R8, R10, R15, and R18. They were so dominant that they made a Diesel car for the lulz and even that one won. It's a huge deal when you can win Le Mans 8 times out of 10.
Audi makes respectable cars and are on par with BMW or Mercedes, but they still lack their prestige. They are not as flashy as their other German counterparts, because they tend to go for the German minimalist and efficient look.
ferrari has soul, everything on it is made by ferrari
Sarah Gadon drives a Porsche.
>heats still one of his favorite movies lol
lmao
Why do they keep making these fricking movies about cars? This and Ford vs Ferrari and Rush and Fast X and shit. Who's the audience?
Probably big advertisements to make their brand seem cool and relevant. Small for the woke barbie movie.
Mexicans
Boomers, car officionados, racing fans.
Enzo Ferrari is basically the Isao Takahata of the anime world. His influence and impressions are so far reaching that nearly every car can trace influences of influences and inspirations of inspirations to Ferrari race cars and street cars,
Car autism usually is kino, Rush and Ford v Ferrari were good movies.
Don't forget the Audi vs Lancia film. It even has Brühl in it.
>ferrari
That's great, Timmy.
Now scoot off to bed you've probably got school tomorrow.
>was tasked to deliver two ferraris to the set of miami vice
Didn't they use Corvettes with Testarossa body kits?
The first Ferrari in the show was a Corvette with a fake Daytona kit.
Ferrari got pissed and donated them two Testarossas in exchange for destroying the Corvettes.
However, the production company had a Testarossa kit stunt car built on a De Tomaso Pantera for use in scenes were the actual Ferraris were at the risk of being damaged. The stunt car honestly looked like shit. The earlier Corvette kit cars they had were at least fairly close to the real thing, and because they were the actual hero cars, there wasn't any visual inconsistency from scene to scene.
Based Michael Mann. He cast Sarah Gadon in this movie.