>N-Nooo! You can't just make a so-bad-it's-good comedy on purpose! The poor quality has to be sincere, like in The Room!
Explain this then, Cinemaphile.
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>N-Nooo!
>N-Nooo! You can't just make a so-bad-it's-good comedy on purpose! The poor quality has to be sincere, like in The Room!
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Darkplace is great but almost every other example of bad on purpose is pure cringe.
Darkplace and Danger 5 might be only 2 things that nailed it. everything else is painful reddit shit like Kung Fury, Machete or the seemingly neverending fountain of shit that is scifi channel and asylum movies
Where do you stand on Batman (the 60s series)?
Its dated by todays standards but thats just because its old not because it was trying too hard to be kitsch at the time it was made. Plus it was always meant to be comedy, people weirdly act like Adam West batman was accidentally funny like they were trying to make the dark knight and just fricked up.
that was just comedy at the time, it wasnt really intended to be subversive and "so bad its good". it was just a silly batman show back when comics were seen as kinda silly
It's just a straight up silly, campy comedy. It's like how comic books used to be before shit got all edgy. Just silly, lighthearted fun that doesn't take itself seriously. It's not a so-bad-it's-good kind of thing, it's just a good comic book show. People simply misjudge it completely and don't understand that it aims to be exactly what it is.
Now admittedly I never read American superhero comics (OK I read some but they don't count), back when I was a kid I read Suske and Wiske comics from Belgium and 60's Batman gives me the exact same feeling of silly fun.
You people have no clue how badly I want capeshit to go back to the kind of kino 60's Batman was.
danger 5 is eleventeen times better than shitplace
Danger 5 is low IQ Darkplace. It's just "haha it's funny because old stuff was cheesy and stupid".
Darkplace had the extra layers of Garth's narcissism, Dean's creepiness and dodgy 70s/80s businessman stuff, Todd trying to be a serious thespian, and Liz being just a pretty face and being abused and probably murdered.
This. It isn't just " haha 80s funny" although you do get some of that as the cherry on top
nah darkplace is definitely better. Danger 5 is still great tho
>Australian
>funny
Yeah that's a no for me dog. That shit was just "lol so randumb" compared to the crafted deliberate excellence of Darkplace
Other Australian "comedy" is shit too. Hannah Gadsby, that Jamie Kennedy equivalent guy who just does impressions of abos and crossdresses which for some reason absolutely impresses the Autist Aussies.
Australian here,
can confirm
British people know how to write comedy shows.
I wouldn't say better but i love them both. At least the first season.... season 2 of danger 5 is awful.
There's a lot more going on in Danger 5 (seaons 1) than you seem to realise.
It's actually funnier than the show. -Dean's psychopathy and all but admitting he murdered maddy.
-Garth arguing with everyone coz he's cranky.
-Todd's "ethnic cleansing" joke etc
>Dean having to say "that's a model" every time the model of the hospital appears
Don't know why that's so funny to me
>that's the mother rick!
well that'll stop him
*bloks ur path Infront of you*
This one ran out of steam two-third of the way through, basically when the animated cow shows up. You get docked the remainder of the points and end up with a C+.
Same reasoning applies to Danger 5 because of the second season.
Meanwhile the extra content on Darkplace, the in-character commentaries, puts it way over the top.
correct
also correct
Okay everyone in this thread, time to get your dictionaries out and read the meaning of words like 'sincere' and 'satire' and 'ironic' fricking illiterate fat pieces of shit
>This one ran out of steam two-third of the way through
maybe
god I hated this one growing up. My one friend always put it on, I hated it cause it just felt stupid.
Fricking plebe alert
Fricking filtered
Italian Spiderman is based.
I really appreciate the commitment to practical effects in it and Danger 5. I wasn't surprised at all to find out Dario Russo is a Warhammer player. It's why his stuff and Darkplace have soul and low effort attempts like Kung Fury are shit
You understand that one guy playing army men won't somehow influence two other projects made by different people on different continents, right?
true, couldn't agree more.
why the frick does the dark place sequal suck so much? the talk show with Dean Lerner
I remember hearing that they just shat that out very quickly, probably to fulfil a contract or something.
because
the characters were good, but they fricked up the setting and what made Darkplace good
How come the guys who made Danger 5 don't get any work anymore? You would think some streaming service or Adult Swim or something would want them.
Check audible, pal
Danger 5 is pretty stupid, i never liked it.
Agreed. I liked Darkplace a lot. But, the only other bad on purpose thing I've seen was Shoot Em Up with actor Clive Owen. I hated it a lot. It's still my most hated film ever made.
Black Dynamite is also on that list. Part of what makes these shows/movie the exceptions to the rule is that all three of them were made by people who clearly knew the genre they wanted to parody inside and out. Michael Jai White understood blaxploitation cliches adn the general style, but he also had an understnading of how they were made, the level of professionalism they operated on, and the kind of bullshit happening behind the camera that made them amusing. Same goes for Holness and 1980s television programs and those Australians and 1960s action television serials.
well that'll stop him.
It's great but by the time it's over I've had enough of that type of humor. They were smart enough not to out stay their welcome.
british comedy shows seem to be good at going full out for 1-3 seasons then calling it quits.
that's how it should be, its rare for a show to be good past season 4 and basically impossible to be good in the double digits, good shows should be left to die and not milked for a decade past when they were last funny
It played it straight instead of “hey isn’t this bad lol”
Who are you quoting you fricking moron
hypothetical people who are real and don't like Sharknado
there's a difference between making something ironic and trying to justify something bad as being ironic
Anyone got an ETA on that chicken?
>italian seasoning? too vague.
Darkplace had actual decent comedic writing and wasn't carried by the 'lol its bad!'. It's extremely quotable.
Has enough detail and layers going on that it loops back around to just being an absurd comedy, rather than some meta bullshit.
Son of a b***h.
darkplace is sincere though.
Something was pouring from his mouth. He examined his sleeve. Blood? Blood! Crimson, copper smelling blood, his blood. Blood, blood, blood. And bits of sick.
The talking head interview segments and introductions to the episodes by Garth Marenghi himself are what elevated Darkplace. If it had been just the bad 80's hospital horror drama presented naturally, it would have had the same problem as shit like Samurai Cop 2.
Truth
And even then it's 7/10 at best
7/10s are 11/10s in 2022
people unironically think Saxondale is some A++ hidden gem these days
Saxondale's okay. It's just not Alan Partridge.
Ruth Jones hnnnnnggg
this
>Listen to me. I am not prejudiced, all right? That is what I’m saying, I am not prejudiced. But Joe Public is. You probably are. You look like a dropout. Point being, I wrote this to heal Britain.
>watch it with the directors commentary on
>suddenly a whole new layer of satire is unlocked
Where can I get this?
thank you
>Video unavailable
>This video contains content from Channel 4, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>28:10
>Jesus Christ! what the hell is he!?
>8:44
>"look at him, he's as red as a rapist there"
>I'm sure that Ridley Scott must have watched this before making BladeCenter
Bless you, anon.
>BladeCenter
Well frick me.
Man that's pretty wacky and random. I bet he wrote that one with a pair of scissors made of glitter!
Came here to say this, one of the few shows where the commentary is must listen stuff
The commentary is an extra 3 hours of great fricking content. It's a shame so many people missed out on it.
Listening to it now and it's absolute kino, can't believe I've never heard it before
I've got the dvd and I don't think it's on there wtf
It's on the one I have.
it wasn't "so bad its good" though. it was trying to be, but ended up at just bad.
>ripped off Jack Black's Heat Vision and Jack
/tv/'s opinions are like a candle in the wind... Unreliable.
No idea what this is.
Everything's on YouTube, enjoy.
>She was like a candle in the wind...
>Unreliable
Reminder that we are now as far removed from Darkplace as it was from the period it was set in
i always try to say this about the "it'll happen to you" part of The Simpsons, since that was a 70s flashback in a 90s show.
dunno how to word it snappily though. might just start walking around yelling "u old"
Zoomers cannot know the full Darkplace ambience, because they never had to record it on pic related when it aired at 2AM on a weekday.
shut the frick up that's not true.....
see
2004 - 1986 = 18
2022 - 2004 = 18
I’ve never heard anyone say anything bad about this series.
Darkplace is a character piece about Garth Marenghi, who is delusional, and his supporting cast of actors. That's why it's actually good. If it was just the show segments, it would be mildly amusing at best. It's what the show tells you about Garth and the other characters which is actually funny.
Shut up.
Hello?
I beg your pudding?
>about Garth Marenghi, who is delusional
>what the show tells you about Garth
This is such a surface-level reading.
Did you come away from Tristram Shandy thinking "cor, bit of a silly bugger this Sterne bloke has written!"?
Bruv, it's a sitcom.
If you don't get postmodernism, that's fine. The Matrix 1 and the Marvel features will always be available to you.
Explain it to me.
No, because then you wouldn't get it. Which is fine: intelligence isn't a linear quality. You might be artistically gifted in ways I am not. Coriander tastes like soap to some people.
But if you struggle with something as simple as Garth Marenghi's Darkplace, I don't know what your limits are. Wes Craven's New Nightmare, perhaps? Maybe watch some (newer) Stewart Lee, then work your way backwards through Lee & Herring's earlier works, particularly their 'Ironic Review' series in This Morning With Richard Not Judy ('Or, don't!', as a much-lesser comic sketch duo might say).
Okay, I just wanted to make sure you were definitely a troll.
Why is it that pseuds like you always fail to actually back your criticism up in any substantial way or offer your own interpretation?
Except intelligence is pretty much like that. Hence why IQ exists and correlates with every measure of success, despite people who cope with 'emotional intelligence' and such. I'm guessing your IQ is a lot lower than you thought it would be.
>I portended that by the year 2040, the world might see its first female mechanic. And who knows, she might even do a decent job. Still, I wish her the very best
Darkplace is funny because it contextualizes the show within a character study of Garth, Todd and Dean. It's bad on purpose but it's only bad in universe because Garth is completely incompetent.
It's actually genius and it's the only case of "bad on purpose" working.
>who /bluejam/ here?
oooh vac welcome
That Baby Coffin sketch was the only time I was ever offended by a television show
Absolute kino
Is that the abortion one?
the mighty boosh gets more hate
The Mighty Boosh is pretty cringe about 60% of the time. It's too '00s humor.
but wot if a fanny minge?? cor that would be a right 2girls1cup fart, pure crazy frog mental!
Holness is a great character writer. It's great how you can infer so much about his characters based on so little material. If you haven't seen his short film A Gun for George, you should do
I still need to watch that movie he directed.
Every day I feel the pain because they made Man to Man With Dean Learner a normie live audience comedy. It lost so much by not taking itself and its "world" 100% seriously. It would have been so much better without the live audience or if the audience was "in on ot"
Garths is actually a great show about coked up 80s morons making a terrible show, told via the show and interviews.
If you stripped out the prologues and talking head interviews and just had a so-bad-its-good hospital show then it would be bad.
you just dont get it
If it's not sincere, then it's soulless.
It's really that simple.
I'm amazed anyone liked it. Not because it's bad, but because it's one big joke about shows that aired 20 years before most of the people who watched it were born.
Are you moronic? It aired in 2004. It was set in a time 15-20 years before that. Their entire adult audience grew up on shows like that
>adult
>adult swim
"no"
yeah it wasn't on Adult Swim until years later. It was even on SciFi before Adult Swim
It originally aired in the Bongosphere in 2004
That's the dissonance then. Fair point, anon.
The internal chronology of the series puts it at starting in 1986, because in the commentary track
they say Todd Rivers was auditioning for Bond at the time
It's not though. It's about a pulp horror writer with a massive ego, making a terrible TV show, with most of the episodes reflecting on his character in some way, which is why it actually works beyond just being a thing that pokes fun at the 80's.
I've known many authers who used subtext and all of them were cowards
I think this might be my fav line Garth says in the show. It's absolutely perfect.
le me too, fellow reddit poster!!! le upboats puppo dogger le
Leave him alone. I won't ask you again.
le what are you on about m8 le
It will come in threes.
thx 4 tha (U)
wtf Americans just take our programmes and put them on THEIR telly?
*grabs shotgun licence*
>our
literally who?
Learner & Associates Productions
Never heard of them
it's a joke
>Learner & Associates Productions
>Learner And Associates Productions
>LAAP
>LARP
get it?
Because it's not just bad on purpose, it's a parody of a specific type of show, and it nails every aspect of it perfectly. Then on top of that the dialog, the jokes, the recurring gags all work beautifully. It's the kind of comedy where I can describe one of the jokes to someone, and I'll start laughing remembering it, and they'll start laughing hearing it.
"So basically, evil spirits are possessing inanimate objects so he has to have a gunfight with this iron, but after he 'kills' it the spirit jumps into his gun, so then he has to wrestle his own gun to the ground..."
How many people have you had these conversations with, anon?
Dozens. Some friends, some girlfriends, my mom and my brother. Also some people on the internet, but they still count! You count now too!
Why do morons keep typing out the same thing like it's their original take?
Also just quoting something you found funny in a show isn't funny for others, idiot. Fricking homosexual. Fricking homosexual loser piece of shit.
Who me? I'm about to go blast it on the Osaka loop line at 6am. You keep being a fricking loser piece of shit though eh? Fricking loser. I wish I could meet you, just to cave your head in with a hammer. Go on. Tell me what you're doing now. Reveal what a fricking loser you are. Probably watching some YouTuber telling you what to think, right? Fricking scum. Fricking waste.
Probably because people keep failing to understand the show.
Fricking hell, seek help for the innocent people around you, you absolute fricking mentalist.
I would rather go for a pint with
than you.
Do you think I give a shit? You and your new boyfriend are literally nothing to me. I spit on you.
It's the only Stephen King parody, strangely.
>Stephen King
>Clive Barker
Marenghi is far below them, the guys they modelled him on are Shaun Hutson & James Herbert
I wouldn't even say it's strictly an 80's parody. The premise for the show is basically lifted from Riget, which was a 90's thing. And Garth is kind of a fusion of Stephen King and Clive Barker. There's also a level of Twilight Zone influence there.
This is where it starts circling, because Lars von Trier is open about how much of a "inspiration" kitchen sink Riget is.
Some of the melodrama (and music) is pretty clearly inspired by Twin Peaks as well
It's even more funny because the next year Stephen King's Kingdom Hospital came out.
>The premise for the show is basically lifted from Riget, which was a 90's thing.
>Darkplace, but it's a real show and it's kino in a non-ironic way
Holy frick kino detected I'm hyped
Nothing will top the charm of Danger 5 for me. I think them re-recording all of the dialogue adds so much to the entire show. I worked on a Canadian web series that tried to go for a similar "bad on purpose" vibe, with the wraparound being a guy looking through old film in the CBC archives.
It wasn't bad, it just wasn't anything to write home about.
>Something was pouring from his mouth. He examined his sleeve. Blood? Blood! Crimson, copper smelling blood, his blood. Blood, blood, blood... And bits of sick.
>British sitcom lore autism
How old are Alan Partridge's kids, Cinemaphile?
Steve Coogan was already playing Partridge as middle-aged with young boys in the 90s, but it's implied in This Time that Fernando is a teenager.
I'm Allan Partridge had them well grown up. In Oasthouse, Fernando has kids of his own.
How old is Alan Partridge, is the question. He was probably meant to be about 50 in the early 90's when he started playing the character, so he's in his 80's now?
43 in first series of I'm Allan Partridge, 47 in second series.
it's still so strange to me how far apart (irl) they were
S1 > S2 by a mile, just don't get why it wasn't renewed sooner
>I tell you who’d I’d like to put in the stocks, Tony Hayers. He is the Chief Commissioning Editor of BBC Television. And it wouldn’t be custard pies I’d be throwing at him either. I’d like to throw cabbages, hot Bovril and gravel. I don’t know if you are familiar with BBC commissioning policy, they are obliged to contract out a certain percentage of their programmes to independent programme makers, and… you’re not even listening are you? You people.
Him dressing older than he is is part of the stuffy BBC presenter act.
He's clearly meant to be middle-aged, in character. He goes on about ex wives and the 70s and all that. He's not just a thirtysomething wearing a grey suit.
Yeah, I get that. It was Coogan playing one of those older TV personalities from the era, like Terry Wogan or Bruce Forsyth, but Coogan is now actually the age that the character was supposed to be in the first place.
i saw the whole series on youtube. cant believe is still up
A Touch of Cloth is fun. Much more similar to Naked Gun though than Darkplace or Danger 5. How do we feel about The Mighty Boosh or Flight of the Concords?
I can watch two or three Flight of the Concords episodes until I burn out
That's pretty good, right?
They're enjoyable, though Nathan Barley was the best thing Julian Barrett was ever in.
agreed, Nathan Barley was a gem
It's like he sees straight through me.
Are you a stray who frequents The Grey Lion?
i watched two episodes and it was terrible
Why?
I especially love the 2nd Touch of Cloth: Undercover Cloth.
Have you never watched The Games, or anything by Rob Stich like Frontline, the Hollow Men and Utopia?
I liked the bird in that. Wanted to shag her cor
>Uh ACTUALLY Alan Partridge WASN'T based on Richard Madeley or Piers Morgan, it was Barry Norman and Des Lynam
Shout and or Scream Factory release when?
Can anyone decipher this rambling, schizophrenic greentext for me?
You wouldn't get it.
That's why I'm asking. I don't speak mentally ill, sadly
Please tell me you have more
just make your own fren its fun
>g*pped
(I get the joke) Is this actually in the original programme?
it is amazing just how recently everything became overly PC. Going back to watch stuff from the 2000s and early 2010s is like a different world
and yes, he says gypped multiple times in the series and commentary
They removed/dubbed over the same slur in Bottom.
Come on lads at least I'm Alan Partridge was self aware of the anti-Irish shite in the 90s/00s. Don't pretend PC has suddenly gone mad because (You) have only just realised maybe it's not fine to have a go at them gypsies.
Anti-gypsy mentality isn't anti-Irish. It's just that they're literally all criminals. The Irish agree.
Poor wording on my part lad, just meant that as a similar example of prejudice/stereotyping that "you could get away with" then "suddenly couldn't".
frick gyppos and their enablers (you)
>maybe it's not fine to have a go at them gypsies.
You don't live around them do you? Their entire culture is based around ideas of theft and swindling. There are even some gypsy activists who are trying to fix the violence, thievery, and sexual frickery from within but they are ironically called racist and self-hating by non-gypsies while facing violence and rape from their own communities
Here is a previous post of mine:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/170265189/#170266608
Frick off.
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/170265189/#170266608
you live in a crime-ridden shithole so it's nice to have some gypsy crime to spice things up? yeah that changes everything. the massive difference in per capita crime rates and the gypsy idea that property only belongs to those who can take it doesn't matter at all because
HOW GOOD IS THEIR FOOD THOUGH??
They leave a lot of rubbish because the council doesn't provide enough bins.
Everyone here does heroin but that's a separate issue (provide clean heroin on the NHS imo).
ahhh you almost had me, you cheeky bugger
The heroin thing? Serious about that one lad. Seen it destroy too many lives and fentanyl has made things worse (same with spice for people into cannabis).
Even on a pure cost basis it would be cheaper to let addicts pick up their gear from Boots than get it off the streets. Bet those dealers don't even declare their income to HMRC.
It may sound absurd but there are places in the world where addiction is treated like the medical condition it is and they have made extremely promising progress with a better framework of care. It's a cursory search away.
''A society is to be judged not on their technological prowess or accomplishments but instead how they treat their most vulnerable. ''
This always gets seething replies which I guess further illustrates the point.
What even happened to the Christian concept of charity? That's where 'hospitals' came from.
Except gypsies aren't members of society. They are rootless, they do not contribute, they do not integrate, they are thieves, poachers, and outsiders. Spare me your tawdry aphorisms, a rat is a rat regardless of moral grandstanding.
Norn Iron here and can confirm this. They’re subhuman
junkies, gypsies and you deserve gassing
I watched some episodes of Bottom recently. Holy shit. Like every fricking episode has something.
>the episode where they think they killed the gasman, and they talk about selling the body to Mr Amed's kebab shop
The etymology of it is a slur? this is just another colloquial saying where I'm from, absolutely everyone says it. How strange.
I don't fricking care about gypsy feelings
gypped or gypping refers to what gypsies do to people i.e. steal, swindle, and trick.
You're not even allowed to call them gypsies anymore, even though it was the accepted term and all countries had names for them linguistically similar to "gypsy". It's like those big companies that rename and rebrand after an oil spill or insider trading.
Weird I thought gypped was it self a pc version israeliteed.
>know someone who's a very outspoken anti-racist
>had to work in a place near a Gypsy camp for a while
>came away sounding like she was about to start suggesting they be round up and put in camps
As this has sort of become the brit comedy thread check out Human Remains
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Remains_(TV_series)
all 6 are on dailymotion
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x74hpsl
>I'm the only writer who's written more books than he's read
Because Darkplace does add sincerity to the so-bad-it's-good fake TV show with all the elaborate backstory you get from the interviews. Of course it isn't actually real but it's still a story of a bunch of arrogant, incompetent weirdos thinking they're making a masterpiece and making something hilariously bad instead which makes these bad movies so interesting. Samurai Cop and The Room wouldn't be nearly as engaging without all the stories about their production either. When you are watching The Room, you are really watching Tommy Wiseu's story and not Johnny's story. There are so many things in The Room that aren't just bad, but also reveal things about the delusional director of the movie. There's this extra layer to the movie which makes it so much more interesting, and Darkplace replicates that expertly.
Monkey dust is also a must watch British tv show
It's amazing they let that air
Too many truths