They invent a time machine and to use it, you have to sit in there for the length of time you want to travel back. e.g. >sit in the box for 20 hours >you're now 20 hours in the past
The only problem is that when you travel back, there'll be two versions of you; Your past self and your future self. That's why you see the guy killing himself, because it's what you have to do if you want to replace yourself in the past.
Have you seen Beyond the Infinite Two Minutes (I think that's what it is, if you can't find it let me know). It's not as good as Primer but one of the films that also comes really close to following its own rules
1 year ago
Anonymous
That looks very entertaining. I'll add that to my list anon
Why would it freeze time? You can't travel to the past if you froze time. Freezing time would mean travelling to the future and I don't think they ever do that. The time machine sent them to the past.
The boxes time reference is untethered from the world's time reference. So to someone in the timestream (moving forward) anything in the box looks like it is traveling backwards when it is really just standing still. I think that ultimately its just a difference of perspective. In the movie they are trying to figure out antigravity.
>They invent a time machine and to use it, you have to sit in there for the length of time you want to travel back. e.g.
So let's say I enter the box at 8am and wanna go back 6 hours in the past, so I have to sit in there for 6 hours. 6 hours have passed, it's now 2pm, I exit the box 6 hours in the past, so it's 8am.
What the frick did I achieve? Just lost 6 fricking hours.
>What the frick did I achieve? Just lost 6 fricking hours.
What you achieve is that you can relive the past with future knowledge. For example, if you know the winning lottery numbers then you can travel to the past and buy a ticket using those numbers.
>so in the box you can still get internet and stuff?
What? I really doubt it. I don't think you can interact with the outside world at all so you just have to wait or sleep.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is what it's like in there and they don't bring anything but oxygen.
1 year ago
Anonymous
but wait when you exit though, it's the same time as when you entered? just you waited for X hours in the box? where does the knowledge come from if you have to stay in the box and can't interact with the outside world
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but wait when you exit though, it's the same time as when you entered?
No.... the time of exit is the time that they turn the machine on. You turn the machine on at 8am and then you do whatever you want all day then you get in the box at 8pm and wait 12 hours and now you're back at 8am of that same day.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>6am - turn machine on >do whatever >6pm - get inside machine >wait 12 hours to turn back time to 6am again
In the film they also use this principle to go back to the very beginning of all the loops, by bringing a collapsed version into the box with them after having one running from the very beginning as a failsafe (and then with a second failsafe).
aah ok got it
I'd probably win the lottery
1 year ago
Anonymous
I would do that too because you can't travel very far so acquiring millions of dollars is probably the most useful thing you can do.
What they should do is improve the machine so that they can travel much further in the past so you can buy Bitcoin when it was worth nothing because you'll make way more than the lottery.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>you'll make way more than the lottery.
I guess so yeah, besides making money what else would you use it for?
I don't know. I don't see a use for time travel other than personal gain. You could use it to influence world events but that's too risky because you have no idea what the future will be like. I wouldn't bother trying to change the world and I'd rather just live in this one with a shit ton of money.
I might complain about a lot of things but lack of money is probably the worst. You just have no choice in what you do at all when you're poor. You do what you can and not what you want to. Sitting on Cinemaphile, for example.
1 year ago
Anonymous
find out where a girl is about to get raped or murdered or hit by a bus. with this knowledge, i'll head back however far i have to to prevent this and make her think she loves me for my deed and not my millions of wallets
1 year ago
Anonymous
>6am - turn machine on >do whatever >6pm - get inside machine >wait 12 hours to turn back time to 6am again
In the film they also use this principle to go back to the very beginning of all the loops, by bringing a collapsed version into the box with them after having one running from the very beginning as a failsafe (and then with a second failsafe).
1 year ago
Anonymous
You go to the machine at 7.30am, have it turn on at 8am, then get the frick away and isolate yourself until afternoon, check the stock prices, return to the machine and turn it off at 4pm, then go inside, stare for 8 hours at the ceiling, then go out at 8am.
Great, you now can buy some stocks and then spend the whole eight hours again however you want, while a past You is isolated somewhere and another past You is inside the box.
At 4pm the past You turns off the machine and goes into box to travel backwards, so from this moment you are the only You left and can use the machine again if you want.
1 year ago
Anonymous
this confused me. the big thing is Friend 1 has already been in a box for the whole movie and goes back before everything. can you just not die of dehydration if you're waiting weeks?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>can you just not die of dehydration if you're waiting weeks?
Why can't they bring water? If they want to sleep then they can bring a sleeping bag. If they're bored then they'll have to read a book or something.
1 year ago
Anonymous
because it's a limited space and he's going back for a long time. if your body is still physically traveling through real time for say, 14 days, you'd be dead or sick when somebody drags your ass out of the box
If you want to go 6 hours in the past starting from 8am, you would need to turn the machine on at 2am(your target time) then get in the box at 8am. You would then wait in the box but the time you experience in the box is running in the opposite direction.
I learned about reddit from people on Cinemaphile telling me to go back there. You guys made it seem like its defining trait was a high IQ white English vocabulary expressed in thoughtfully spaced blocks of text, but it is just pro gay messaging and product advertising? Why do you keep telling people to go there? Are you gay?
kek
I unironically went to reddit for the first time after being told to go back there a ton on here in the past 5 years or so
I don't understand the point of it though; its basically a giant facebook feed except you don't know anybody
>I don't understand the point of it though; its basically a giant facebook feed except you don't know anybody
That's what Cinemaphile is too but Reddit is heavily moderated so they talk about the same things as us while making really lame jokes and always trying to post the "correct" opinion. It's a really cold website.
I feel that way about all sites that aren't Cinemaphile and that's why I've been here so long. Anything else I use (Twitter, for example) is just for news and not discussion.
Cinemaphile has coherent threads, as well as boards with similar threads
reddit is more like walking through a crowd and catching snippets of conversations
I think it's terribly designed too and that's why I rarely use it. Cinemaphile is a long list of comments that don't get reordered; They're ordered by time of post. Reddit moves stuff based on upvotes and so if you don't reply to highly upvoted comments then your shit is moved to the bottom. It's really stupid and that's why groupthink is a thing over there whereas Cinemaphile encourages individualism.
Why are image boards that have gone unchanged for nearly 15 year's better designed then modern comment section? I honestly can't tell who's talking to who on youtube because people change names or delete their comments, I just wish youtube put a number next to their name.
one of those films that the more you watch it and the more you understand it the shittier it gets >inb4 filtered,lynched,etc
is a ok movie,go frick yourself
I bet I've seen more than twice the movies you have
And I bet all of them sucked ass
1 year ago
Anonymous
>t. contrarian shitposter
Unless and until you're willing to suggest what you think is a good film I take everything you say as being said with bad faith you tasteless shitlord
1 year ago
Anonymous
Here's a good instructional one for you: https://letterboxd.com/film/five-ways-to-kill-yourself/
1 year ago
Anonymous
>replies with a le heckin epic memerino
Concession accepted
are people(morons) really filtered by this movie?
lmao
It's not that complex, Primer is just a 40-hour-long visual novel crammed into a 1-hour movie.
If we had the proper time to be exposed to the theories and everything that actually happens in detail, it wouldn't be that complex.
You want an actual complex story, read Remember11
people aren't able to intentionally act the same way such that they are able to produce the same results. especially not just from following a conversational tape
The problem is autists and reddit, utterly intolerant of hidden variables or mystique of any kind, attempt to codify their bad theories and flowcharts despite the narrator and creator repeatedly stating that many aspects are inherently unknowable.
>"Here's what happened... "
If Carruth himself doesn't know what happened, neither do you.
Its implied that something terrible happened to the ones scientist gf, when her ex boyfriend stormed the party with the shotgun (that event that they tried to prevent at the end of the movie)
The 3rd guy was her father, so he likely travelled back in time in an alternative future where both protagonists failed to protect her and were shot dead/unable to use the time machine themselves and they told him to go back in time instead to prevent the shooting from happening.
Him having no clue how to use the machine properly and exiting it too early is why he was so fricked up and collapsed
Its also the reason why Guy 1 wanted to stop using the machine at all as he realized they were increasingly fricking up the timelines by revealing the existance of timetravel to others in the future
No, he was the connected money guy that they thought they might be able to tell about this. At one point one of the guys took him back in time and lost control of the situation.
profoundly lame movie that allows millennial midwits to feel "intelligent" because they think they "get it" after they watched a video explanation on youtube back in 2010
the movie is genuinely lame
just because it's really well thought out and twisty that doesn't make it coherent or a story worth telling. It's literally the movie equivalent of a refrigerator's user manual
If you like this movies rigorous style, you should check out books by Greg Egan. Really intelligent scientific mind paired with a rare talent for unique stories. I recommend Schild's Ladder (vacuum decay calamity), Permutation City (digital consciousness), and Diaspora (particle physics and digital life)
Well I wouldn't call them hard scifi by Coherence and Split are both twisty mindfrick type movies. Similarly Damon Packard's films like picrel and Fatal Pulse defy logic but are still narratively sound in their own right (and crazy fun)
just watch it with no preconceptions and then look up the flowchart if you really cant make heads or tails of it. its one of the only airtight time travel stories that's why I like it at least. Kind of gives you the room to see why this is such a horrific invention for yourself.
Well, the way that the machine works is that you can only travel as far back as you turn the machine on. So you turn it on at 9 am and get in the box at 9pm, you spend 12 hours traveling "backwards" in time (really just letting the world time pass you by like
The boxes time reference is untethered from the world's time reference. So to someone in the timestream (moving forward) anything in the box looks like it is traveling backwards when it is really just standing still. I think that ultimately its just a difference of perspective. In the movie they are trying to figure out antigravity.
) and you emerge from the box at 9am to do what ever time traveler shenanigans you have planned. But that means that you are in the box as soon as you turn it on travelling "backward".This is why the MC activates it with a delay to avoid directly encountering his double.
>the way that the machine works is that you can only travel as far back as you turn the machine on
Can you prove that's how the machine works? I assume it worked like >turn it on and enter at 9pm >wait 12 hours >leave at 9am
There's no chance of meeting your double unless he was waiting near the machine 12 hours prior.
>turn it on and enter at 9pm
You would not be able to travel further back then 9pm, because earlier then that the machine was not actived.
And if you argue that it just creates a different timeline where the machine was working earlier/where the machine itself is travelling back in time, it does not work for a simple fact: Then you could not turn on the machine at 9pm (as it was still on) and could not enter inside (as there would be another 'you' inside at that moment)
>Everything inside the box travels back in time (from the 'end point' of the box being turned off towards the 'starting point' of the box being turned on)
I don't really understand. Doesn't that mean he'll meet his double once he leaves the box? I don't think that ever happens in the movie and you can post a screenshot or a scene where it does if you think it did.
Thats exactly why they have a delayed start when they active it, because otherwise you would meet yourself and create a paradox
>Thats exactly why they have a delayed start when they active it
Hm... I think I understand. That means they can only travel back to the moment when the machine was turned on, and the machine doesn't turn on immediately so as to avoid meeting yourself when you exit the box. I haven't seen the movie in a long time so that's why I don't remember how the machine worked. I'm not sure why people are even discussing such an old movie.
>>turn it on and enter at 9pm >>wait 12 hours
at 9am
I mean from the perspective of the traveler, yes.
>There's no chance of meeting your double unless he was waiting near the machine 12 hours prior.
??? You are both walking around on the same day. Unless you specifically plan for it with a delay, you will see them get out of the box at the appointed time. You're not traveling back to an alternate day but the very same one.
Try looking at the day not as a video file but as a physical object with height and width.
Are you really unable to figure out how the machine works?
Everything inside the box travels back in time (from the 'end point' of the box being turned off towards the 'starting point' of the box being turned on)
You are not magically jumping back in time like in other time travel stories, its a loop and there are just three different versions of you existing at the same time (the one in the box, the original one turning on and off the machinery, the one from the future exiting the box) until the original one enters the box and become the one in the box who in turn becomes the one exiting the box in the future.
>Everything inside the box travels back in time (from the 'end point' of the box being turned off towards the 'starting point' of the box being turned on)
I don't really understand. Doesn't that mean he'll meet his double once he leaves the box? I don't think that ever happens in the movie and you can post a screenshot or a scene where it does if you think it did.
I like the movie but if I had to name an overall flaw its that when it actually gets good at the last 30 minutes or so thats when it ends but that should have been the framing device for a longer, better movie. Instead it spends most the run time demonstrating the time travel mechanics and the stuff most people would do first. Thats cool but it gets really engaging and intense at the end and thats the part that really captured my imagination, id like to see it expanded. But I know its just a low budget movie.
I enjoyed it, though I didn't know it existed until I listen to song about it by Arjen Anthony Lucassen. Glad I checked it out, and found it's time travel rules pretty interesting. I think I just wished they explained the negatives a bit more, like with their ears bleeding and why their handwriting was becoming scrawling.
incomprehensible plot to the non autist viewer >ib4 just pause
I think I remember a scene where he sees himself from far away, the camera work was so shit I didnt even realise that he saw himself lol, thought they were just some guys
You dont need to know all the details specifically to follow the emotions of the two main actors. Their reactions to everything will mostly guide you enough to understand what is happening. I did not pause or anything and understood it. Not to the point I could explain it to someone else but basically its a skill issue.
>dont need to know all the details
yea but if I dont understand every scene its frustrating, the feel that If I lose the plot now it would just build and build and get worse and the whole film is ruined
and if the point is that youre supposed to be confused at points then.. shit sucks
I watched this movie 2 times in a row while ignoring my physics homework. The next weekend i went home I made my family watch it. No one like it but they politely allowed me to explain the plot and concepts.
Theyre the kind of people who would plausibly find themselves in that situation and do things like win the lottery without fricking up or losing track of what they were trying to accomplish. If they were charming or interesting people they wouldnt be smart enough to make time machines.
I think that one of the points of this movie is that they are engineers blundering into the most profound discovery ever made. They find a first principle of unprecedented scale and instead of studying it and its consequences like a theorist would, they design a tool to use it in a particular way, by day trading and making themselves look like local heroes by stopping the scary guy a the party. Such small petty uses for the biggest upset in physics since counting on our fingers.
>If they were charming or interesting people they wouldnt be smart enough to make time machines.
If they existed then they wouldn't be able to make time machines. Also, you don't have to be charming to not be boring and look like you are reciting a script. This is a problem in so many sci fi novels where the characters just serve as props to explain something and move the plot forward. For them, intelligence is not one thing among many.
>If they were charming or interesting people they wouldnt be smart enough to make time machines.
If they existed then they wouldn't be able to make time machines. Also, you don't have to be charming to not be boring and look like you are reciting a script. This is a problem in so many sci fi novels where the characters just serve as props to explain something and move the plot forward. For them, intelligence is not one thing among many.
Keep in mind, I think it's a solid movie with an interesting take on time travel. But OP asked for flaws
Ok then its a flaw but its not a perfect or even good movie its just interesting. Not like them being charismatic would hurt the movie but I think they spent all their creative juices elsewhere
>"Time is relative, okay? It can stretch and it can squeeze, but... it can't run backwards. Just can't. The only thing that can move across dimensions, like time, is gravity."
It ends
time machines do not exist and are a paradox in itself
It's reddit
Doreen is a predditor
>tucker
No exposition
Just because they were forced to cut out half of the movie which makes it incomprehensible doesn't mean that it's good.
>needs to be spoon fed.
no sequel
linked to that homosexual
by mistake
I comprehended the dynamics of their relationship just fine
Nothing substantial. The plot becomes increasingly byzantine and difficult to follow but that's part of it's charm
>increasingly byzantine
Reddit is down the hall, champ.
it's shit
I didn't get it
They invent a time machine and to use it, you have to sit in there for the length of time you want to travel back. e.g.
>sit in the box for 20 hours
>you're now 20 hours in the past
The only problem is that when you travel back, there'll be two versions of you; Your past self and your future self. That's why you see the guy killing himself, because it's what you have to do if you want to replace yourself in the past.
He doesn't kill himself.
I downloaded the movie to check and this is why I thought he killed himself. I guess he just put himself to sleep if it wasn't murder.
Tbf, the lack of exposition could lead one to assume it was murder. Or at least attempted murder.
Yes just getting himself out of the way
Primer is the only time travel movie that follows its own rules. Tenet comes close but not as complete
The problem with Primer is that it's not finished. It's crying for a remake.
It would only get pozzed and you know it
the only time travel movie that makes sense is the one where denzel washington gets into a chamber naked to save a girl he just met
Have you seen Beyond the Infinite Two Minutes (I think that's what it is, if you can't find it let me know). It's not as good as Primer but one of the films that also comes really close to following its own rules
That looks very entertaining. I'll add that to my list anon
Did they ever explain if they age or not? I remember them saying they are constantly worn down and tired.
Their handwriting turns to shit and their ears bleed the more they use the machine.
so does the box freeze time or reverse it
Why would it freeze time? You can't travel to the past if you froze time. Freezing time would mean travelling to the future and I don't think they ever do that. The time machine sent them to the past.
The boxes time reference is untethered from the world's time reference. So to someone in the timestream (moving forward) anything in the box looks like it is traveling backwards when it is really just standing still. I think that ultimately its just a difference of perspective. In the movie they are trying to figure out antigravity.
>They invent a time machine and to use it, you have to sit in there for the length of time you want to travel back. e.g.
So let's say I enter the box at 8am and wanna go back 6 hours in the past, so I have to sit in there for 6 hours. 6 hours have passed, it's now 2pm, I exit the box 6 hours in the past, so it's 8am.
What the frick did I achieve? Just lost 6 fricking hours.
>What the frick did I achieve? Just lost 6 fricking hours.
What you achieve is that you can relive the past with future knowledge. For example, if you know the winning lottery numbers then you can travel to the past and buy a ticket using those numbers.
so in the box you can still get internet and stuff?
>so in the box you can still get internet and stuff?
What? I really doubt it. I don't think you can interact with the outside world at all so you just have to wait or sleep.
This is what it's like in there and they don't bring anything but oxygen.
but wait when you exit though, it's the same time as when you entered? just you waited for X hours in the box? where does the knowledge come from if you have to stay in the box and can't interact with the outside world
>but wait when you exit though, it's the same time as when you entered?
No.... the time of exit is the time that they turn the machine on. You turn the machine on at 8am and then you do whatever you want all day then you get in the box at 8pm and wait 12 hours and now you're back at 8am of that same day.
aah ok got it
I'd probably win the lottery
I would do that too because you can't travel very far so acquiring millions of dollars is probably the most useful thing you can do.
What they should do is improve the machine so that they can travel much further in the past so you can buy Bitcoin when it was worth nothing because you'll make way more than the lottery.
>you'll make way more than the lottery.
I guess so yeah, besides making money what else would you use it for?
committing a crime and having an alibi
I don't know. I don't see a use for time travel other than personal gain. You could use it to influence world events but that's too risky because you have no idea what the future will be like. I wouldn't bother trying to change the world and I'd rather just live in this one with a shit ton of money.
I might complain about a lot of things but lack of money is probably the worst. You just have no choice in what you do at all when you're poor. You do what you can and not what you want to. Sitting on Cinemaphile, for example.
find out where a girl is about to get raped or murdered or hit by a bus. with this knowledge, i'll head back however far i have to to prevent this and make her think she loves me for my deed and not my millions of wallets
>6am - turn machine on
>do whatever
>6pm - get inside machine
>wait 12 hours to turn back time to 6am again
In the film they also use this principle to go back to the very beginning of all the loops, by bringing a collapsed version into the box with them after having one running from the very beginning as a failsafe (and then with a second failsafe).
You go to the machine at 7.30am, have it turn on at 8am, then get the frick away and isolate yourself until afternoon, check the stock prices, return to the machine and turn it off at 4pm, then go inside, stare for 8 hours at the ceiling, then go out at 8am.
Great, you now can buy some stocks and then spend the whole eight hours again however you want, while a past You is isolated somewhere and another past You is inside the box.
At 4pm the past You turns off the machine and goes into box to travel backwards, so from this moment you are the only You left and can use the machine again if you want.
this confused me. the big thing is Friend 1 has already been in a box for the whole movie and goes back before everything. can you just not die of dehydration if you're waiting weeks?
>can you just not die of dehydration if you're waiting weeks?
Why can't they bring water? If they want to sleep then they can bring a sleeping bag. If they're bored then they'll have to read a book or something.
because it's a limited space and he's going back for a long time. if your body is still physically traveling through real time for say, 14 days, you'd be dead or sick when somebody drags your ass out of the box
If you want to go 6 hours in the past starting from 8am, you would need to turn the machine on at 2am(your target time) then get in the box at 8am. You would then wait in the box but the time you experience in the box is running in the opposite direction.
As clearly shown already in this thread, it's one of the best filters out there alongside Southland Tales
Primer, yes. Southland Tales, no.
ƒiltered
>Boosh is le bad!
>Muh SNL cast
>Is that Highlander?
>Hey, Justin Timberlake!
>He's paraphrasing TS Eliot!
It is fricking dog-shit and you know it. Everything wanted to like it after the brilliance of Donnie Darko, but it's just shit.
Donnie Darko is shit.
>t. contrarian homosexual.
I learned about reddit from people on Cinemaphile telling me to go back there. You guys made it seem like its defining trait was a high IQ white English vocabulary expressed in thoughtfully spaced blocks of text, but it is just pro gay messaging and product advertising? Why do you keep telling people to go there? Are you gay?
>Reddit: The Post
Burger moment.
kek
I unironically went to reddit for the first time after being told to go back there a ton on here in the past 5 years or so
I don't understand the point of it though; its basically a giant facebook feed except you don't know anybody
>I don't understand the point of it though; its basically a giant facebook feed except you don't know anybody
That's what Cinemaphile is too but Reddit is heavily moderated so they talk about the same things as us while making really lame jokes and always trying to post the "correct" opinion. It's a really cold website.
I feel that way about all sites that aren't Cinemaphile and that's why I've been here so long. Anything else I use (Twitter, for example) is just for news and not discussion.
Cinemaphile has coherent threads, as well as boards with similar threads
reddit is more like walking through a crowd and catching snippets of conversations
Reddit is also unironically terribly designed
I think it's terribly designed too and that's why I rarely use it. Cinemaphile is a long list of comments that don't get reordered; They're ordered by time of post. Reddit moves stuff based on upvotes and so if you don't reply to highly upvoted comments then your shit is moved to the bottom. It's really stupid and that's why groupthink is a thing over there whereas Cinemaphile encourages individualism.
Why are image boards that have gone unchanged for nearly 15 year's better designed then modern comment section? I honestly can't tell who's talking to who on youtube because people change names or delete their comments, I just wish youtube put a number next to their name.
The only actual flaw is the sound design during some of the dialogue parts.
one of those films that the more you watch it and the more you understand it the shittier it gets
>inb4 filtered,lynched,etc
is a ok movie,go frick yourself
Where did the cracks start to show for you?
they fricking mumble through half the movie, you don't consider that a flaw?
shane pls post
boring af, couldn't even finish it
skill issue
>mfw zoomers can't even pay attention for a sub 90 minute movie
>wasting even 90 minutes with a shit movie
>Getting filtered in less than an hour and a half
This movie filtered you from watching at least one actually good movie in your lifetime, now how does that feel
top 5 movies now or you're banned pussy
Sure and my credit card number, Black person
And I bet all of them sucked ass
>t. contrarian shitposter
Unless and until you're willing to suggest what you think is a good film I take everything you say as being said with bad faith you tasteless shitlord
Here's a good instructional one for you: https://letterboxd.com/film/five-ways-to-kill-yourself/
>replies with a le heckin epic memerino
Concession accepted
Yes, case in point
I bet I've seen more than twice the movies you have
user error
It's not that complex, Primer is just a 40-hour-long visual novel crammed into a 1-hour movie.
If we had the proper time to be exposed to the theories and everything that actually happens in detail, it wouldn't be that complex.
You want an actual complex story, read Remember11
people aren't able to intentionally act the same way such that they are able to produce the same results. especially not just from following a conversational tape
yeah nah it was really good
I was pleasantly surprised to add another movie to my "good ones" list
shame nobody knows it
The problem is autists and reddit, utterly intolerant of hidden variables or mystique of any kind, attempt to codify their bad theories and flowcharts despite the narrator and creator repeatedly stating that many aspects are inherently unknowable.
>"Here's what happened... "
If Carruth himself doesn't know what happened, neither do you.
I've never been able to get my head around the 3rd guy, G something?, who also somehow had a time machine.
Its implied that something terrible happened to the ones scientist gf, when her ex boyfriend stormed the party with the shotgun (that event that they tried to prevent at the end of the movie)
The 3rd guy was her father, so he likely travelled back in time in an alternative future where both protagonists failed to protect her and were shot dead/unable to use the time machine themselves and they told him to go back in time instead to prevent the shooting from happening.
Him having no clue how to use the machine properly and exiting it too early is why he was so fricked up and collapsed
Its also the reason why Guy 1 wanted to stop using the machine at all as he realized they were increasingly fricking up the timelines by revealing the existance of timetravel to others in the future
No, he was the connected money guy that they thought they might be able to tell about this. At one point one of the guys took him back in time and lost control of the situation.
false advertising
time travel used for anything other than comedic effect is just an excuse for lazy writing. this is why hot tub time machine mogs this movie
I am thoroughly convinced me and Shane shot the shit about sequel ideas on this board
>Doreen is a predator
Don’t point at me Doreen, it’s rude.
its not a good movie
You're right, it's a masterpiece
essential midwit core
Ultimate midwit filter
profoundly lame movie that allows millennial midwits to feel "intelligent" because they think they "get it" after they watched a video explanation on youtube back in 2010
We get it, you hate yourself. Wallow somewhere else
the movie is genuinely lame
just because it's really well thought out and twisty that doesn't make it coherent or a story worth telling. It's literally the movie equivalent of a refrigerator's user manual
More like the movie equivalent of a sudoku. Takes a bit of wrangling but follows specific rules and means nothing in the end.
>needs all of his stories to be coherent
And you have the gall to call other people midwits?
Coherence was fun
I have always refused to watch Coherence as it gets recommended so often and Cinemaphile usually has real shit taste.
So it was quite shocking how good the movie actually was.
i can't most of it. i was pretty drunk
but i'm drunk during lots of movies and i remember those
I sincerely hope you're merely pretending to be moronic.
If you like this movies rigorous style, you should check out books by Greg Egan. Really intelligent scientific mind paired with a rare talent for unique stories. I recommend Schild's Ladder (vacuum decay calamity), Permutation City (digital consciousness), and Diaspora (particle physics and digital life)
Any similar movies to recommend anon? I've seen some pretty twisty SOV stuff like picrel and Coherence but nothing has ever quite matched Primer
>spoonfeed me
No
Actually no I'm sorely lacking in hard scifi film reccs.
Well I wouldn't call them hard scifi by Coherence and Split are both twisty mindfrick type movies. Similarly Damon Packard's films like picrel and Fatal Pulse defy logic but are still narratively sound in their own right (and crazy fun)
I'll check them out thanks for the reccs anon.
>it's another episode of the pseud brigade pretending that something is le good but sternly refusing to explain what's so le good about it
post iq score right now, im not casting pearls (my opinions and their justifications) before swine ((you))
just watch it with no preconceptions and then look up the flowchart if you really cant make heads or tails of it. its one of the only airtight time travel stories that's why I like it at least. Kind of gives you the room to see why this is such a horrific invention for yourself.
crazy to think that as soon as he turns the box on, his double is inside the box
>as he turns the box on, his double is inside the box
What does that even mean?
Well, the way that the machine works is that you can only travel as far back as you turn the machine on. So you turn it on at 9 am and get in the box at 9pm, you spend 12 hours traveling "backwards" in time (really just letting the world time pass you by like
) and you emerge from the box at 9am to do what ever time traveler shenanigans you have planned. But that means that you are in the box as soon as you turn it on travelling "backward".This is why the MC activates it with a delay to avoid directly encountering his double.
>the way that the machine works is that you can only travel as far back as you turn the machine on
Can you prove that's how the machine works? I assume it worked like
>turn it on and enter at 9pm
>wait 12 hours
>leave at 9am
There's no chance of meeting your double unless he was waiting near the machine 12 hours prior.
>turn it on and enter at 9pm
You would not be able to travel further back then 9pm, because earlier then that the machine was not actived.
And if you argue that it just creates a different timeline where the machine was working earlier/where the machine itself is travelling back in time, it does not work for a simple fact: Then you could not turn on the machine at 9pm (as it was still on) and could not enter inside (as there would be another 'you' inside at that moment)
Thats exactly why they have a delayed start when they active it, because otherwise you would meet yourself and create a paradox
>Thats exactly why they have a delayed start when they active it
Hm... I think I understand. That means they can only travel back to the moment when the machine was turned on, and the machine doesn't turn on immediately so as to avoid meeting yourself when you exit the box. I haven't seen the movie in a long time so that's why I don't remember how the machine worked. I'm not sure why people are even discussing such an old movie.
>>turn it on and enter at 9pm
>>wait 12 hours
at 9am
I mean from the perspective of the traveler, yes.
>There's no chance of meeting your double unless he was waiting near the machine 12 hours prior.
??? You are both walking around on the same day. Unless you specifically plan for it with a delay, you will see them get out of the box at the appointed time. You're not traveling back to an alternate day but the very same one.
Try looking at the day not as a video file but as a physical object with height and width.
Are you really unable to figure out how the machine works?
Everything inside the box travels back in time (from the 'end point' of the box being turned off towards the 'starting point' of the box being turned on)
You are not magically jumping back in time like in other time travel stories, its a loop and there are just three different versions of you existing at the same time (the one in the box, the original one turning on and off the machinery, the one from the future exiting the box) until the original one enters the box and become the one in the box who in turn becomes the one exiting the box in the future.
>Everything inside the box travels back in time (from the 'end point' of the box being turned off towards the 'starting point' of the box being turned on)
I don't really understand. Doesn't that mean he'll meet his double once he leaves the box? I don't think that ever happens in the movie and you can post a screenshot or a scene where it does if you think it did.
If you went back in time and fricked your wife in front of your past self, would you technically still be a cuck?
if you went back in time and met your past self and jerked him off, would you be jerking off or giving a guy a hand job?
If you went back in time and forcefully had sex with yourself, would it be rape or rough masturbation?
le observer effect
are people(morons) really filtered by this movie?
lmao
People(morons) love it, actually
your mom wishes she invented the time machine to warn her past self to swallow
I like the movie but if I had to name an overall flaw its that when it actually gets good at the last 30 minutes or so thats when it ends but that should have been the framing device for a longer, better movie. Instead it spends most the run time demonstrating the time travel mechanics and the stuff most people would do first. Thats cool but it gets really engaging and intense at the end and thats the part that really captured my imagination, id like to see it expanded. But I know its just a low budget movie.
A24 should remake this
Why? They would just make it worse. Is a24 just the "go to" in your mind?
It's not good enough for blumhouse
I think you could do worse. they have some very talented horror people
I enjoyed it, though I didn't know it existed until I listen to song about it by Arjen Anthony Lucassen. Glad I checked it out, and found it's time travel rules pretty interesting. I think I just wished they explained the negatives a bit more, like with their ears bleeding and why their handwriting was becoming scrawling.
incomprehensible plot to the non autist viewer
>ib4 just pause
I think I remember a scene where he sees himself from far away, the camera work was so shit I didnt even realise that he saw himself lol, thought they were just some guys
You dont need to know all the details specifically to follow the emotions of the two main actors. Their reactions to everything will mostly guide you enough to understand what is happening. I did not pause or anything and understood it. Not to the point I could explain it to someone else but basically its a skill issue.
>dont need to know all the details
yea but if I dont understand every scene its frustrating, the feel that If I lose the plot now it would just build and build and get worse and the whole film is ruined
and if the point is that youre supposed to be confused at points then.. shit sucks
I understand your frustration. We can rewatch it together next time if you want.
there is an udeniable element of 2smart4u amirite fellow engineering chads?
I watched this movie 2 times in a row while ignoring my physics homework. The next weekend i went home I made my family watch it. No one like it but they politely allowed me to explain the plot and concepts.
this is you explaining
pretty much
The characters are incredibly boring and robotic. It goes all in on the plot and concept
Theyre the kind of people who would plausibly find themselves in that situation and do things like win the lottery without fricking up or losing track of what they were trying to accomplish. If they were charming or interesting people they wouldnt be smart enough to make time machines.
I think that one of the points of this movie is that they are engineers blundering into the most profound discovery ever made. They find a first principle of unprecedented scale and instead of studying it and its consequences like a theorist would, they design a tool to use it in a particular way, by day trading and making themselves look like local heroes by stopping the scary guy a the party. Such small petty uses for the biggest upset in physics since counting on our fingers.
They are engineers, idk if youve ever met an engineer or if they were charming and interesting to you and you want that represented.
>If they were charming or interesting people they wouldnt be smart enough to make time machines.
If they existed then they wouldn't be able to make time machines. Also, you don't have to be charming to not be boring and look like you are reciting a script. This is a problem in so many sci fi novels where the characters just serve as props to explain something and move the plot forward. For them, intelligence is not one thing among many.
Keep in mind, I think it's a solid movie with an interesting take on time travel. But OP asked for flaws
Ok then its a flaw but its not a perfect or even good movie its just interesting. Not like them being charismatic would hurt the movie but I think they spent all their creative juices elsewhere
>mindbreaks your favorite filmmaker
Heh, nothin personnel…
ella hollywood was in a movie?
edgelord movie tier.
It's shit, don't get suckered into this fake "Oh it's so kino, you just don't get it". or some fake arthouse dribble.
>"Time is relative, okay? It can stretch and it can squeeze, but... it can't run backwards. Just can't. The only thing that can move across dimensions, like time, is gravity."