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Begetting bastards is wrong.
Completely failed to manipulate his bastard Ramsey properly. Had he taken care of Ramsey and faked emotional love for him Ramsey would have done anything and everything to help Roose.
Instead Roose treated him coldly, and forgot that no servant extends gratitude for having been rased up several positions, infact they become demanding themselves.
Other than that he was okay. Fair enough the Boltons and the Starks have always had a long feud, it was Boltons turn to be on top.
ramsay overplayed his....position.... too many times
Yes but Roose still died because he failed to realize that Ramsey that to be manipulated and kept on a tight leash. Had Roose nurtured his hold over Ramsey more carefully he would have gotten a lot more done.
roose died because d&d didnt know what to do with him
its a shame, but the OC content creator although brilliant at time is also a fat slob.
Yeah. Roose in the books is much scarier and makes Ramsay look like a b***h
>don't make me rue the day I raped your mother
No, he's will murder by ramsay on the boocks too
d&d just rushed
>and forgot that no servant extends gratitude for having been rased up several positions
That’s no true. Most do, but some are ambitious and will only become emboldened as you said.
>That’s no true. Most do
A genuine moron.
Ramsey was based but Roose was cucked to the South
You know what he did.
Ramsey was a moron too. A pure sadist is seriously useless beyond a few very disgusting things that dont even bring you victory in the long run. The character was too one dimensional to ever win.
Didn’t kill or forget his bastard as he intended to.
why did he have a soft spot for ramsey? was ramsey always a brilliant boy wiith alot of strenghts or what? they explore this in the book?
roose took ramsay in because he has the same eyes as roose, thats about as complicated as it gets in the books
Pretty much. GRRM implies Roose saw himself in Ramsay.
For some blood is blood irreguardless if they're a bastard, murderer, or monster.
Really the question to ask is did Rooses trestment of Ramsey lead to how he was or did Ramseys nature lead to how Roose treated him.
Ramsey had the nature, perhaps a loving mother could have modified his behaviour down a few notches, but overall, psyopathy at that level is definentely something you are born with.
overall I didnt like him as an antagonist, simply too cartoonishly barbaric, or perhaps i didnt like it because I dont want to aknowledge that such persons do infact exsist atm in plenty.
Roose originally had a trueborn son that was actually competent and a nice guy. He went out to meet Ramsay because he wanted a new brother. Trueborn son ended up mysteriously dead and Roose begrudgingly took in Ramsay.
um. betrayed his king by siding with a pathetic pedophile lord and tyrannical southern patriarch whose family member beheaded his past lord. robb didn't even mistreat him that hard and he rationalized it by "but he didn't listen to my advices or appreciate me!"
>betrayed his king
rob was a traitor to the crown
Joffrey was illegitimate and also broke literal millennia of tradition by killing someone who chose to take the black.
He trusted his obviously so-evil-he’s-moronic bastard son.
>Joffrey was illegitimate
this is OUTRAGEOUS SLANDER
>yesss...yesss...open the gates for Tywin your Grace....he's your friend
Why are maesters like this?
grey sunken c**t
Because their position is as much their own as they can claw out. There is zero reason for them to have undying loyalty to anyone or anything but their own cause.
~~*Maesters*~~ are naturally treacherous, surprised he wasn’t trying to flood the realm with summer islanders and dothraki claiming to be “refugees”
Targs were overthrown for the same reason, illegitimate killing of a lord paramount
the whole baratheon lineage was taken from the Targaryens who took it from the Starks so why was Joffrey relevant
Roose is not sworn to the King he is sworn to the Lord of the North
t. jealous traitors
even if joffrey were legitimate and robb were hypocrite to be a traitor, it was still a machiavellian move that got turned over his head by his own machiavellian(psychopathic) son. i guess his only weakness was that he liked and trusted his own son, the same thing happened with tywin
>morons think this post is about betraying the king in king's landing
Did people really forget he literally finished the king of the north himself?
stannis was the rightful king and rob betrayed him
>rightful
Wrong. Robert's rebellion was illegitimate. You can tell because its referred to as a rebellion. Stannis is a rebel and a traitor just like all the lords he claims to despise.
t. blackfyre propagandist
Blackfyre was the legitimate heir as well. Why else would the king have given him the sword? And Daeron was a bastard anyways.
i fricking knew it. go back to essos where you belong
Tick tock.
is this image AI generated?
I dunno. I just googled it. I think its for some kind of Game of Thrones rpg.
The Targaryaens were an invading force to begin with. Hence the rebellion against it.
You`ll be shocked to see from whom Robert is descended from.
Drumm, Kenning and most important Harlaw are the ones the Greyjoys have to worry most, thats why they have Kinship ties with them. Tullys and Tyrells being upjumps means they don`t have general security on their own regions. Highgarden often can`t assert control on all the Reach, not even considering the Hightower and Redwyne behemoths, Riverrun can`t exert power on almost no larger Riverlord like Bracken, Blackwood, Mooton, Frey or Mallister. Thats why, if you read about it, in every Civil War, the Reach and Riverlands are always severely divided into the factions.
Robert had all the rights to rebel against tyrannical king who abused power, he also had targ blood in him and right of conquest.
>right to rebel
An oxymoron.
In the words of jon blackthorn
>Only if you lose
Its not. Rebellions can be a just action. Like rebellion against tyrant, foreign invaders, usurpers. Targshit rule will never return.
>swear oaths of loyalty
>break them
>justify my treasons with words, words, words
A king swears an oath to be just, protect the people and uphold the laws and traditions of the realm, Aerys broke his oath, rendering Robert's oath null.
Aerys broke the oath himself when instead of protecting the innocent he started burning commoners and lords he didnt like. No one is obliged to serve such king.
>storm into the castle trying to murder the crown prince
>noooo you can't just punish me for my crimes...
Brandon never stormed the castle. He demanded justice for his sister and also demanded trial by combat which aerys didnt honor. Typical targ lover twisting facts.
Brandon was granted his trial by combat. He just lost to Aerys' champion.
Trial by combat is between two people. Thats a specific tradition and a custom. If I name sack of potatoes as my champion that would make 0 sense
Sounds like non-Targaryen cope to me.
Its a defined custom that even targs obeyed but targshits didnt obey the law once only and got what they deserved, stags smashed weakened dragon teeth.
>maesters tricked northern morons and a bumbling drunk into toppling the realm
Damn, bunch old old fricks managed to topple le ebin dragon dynasty? Pathetic.
That turned out really well for the stags, didn't it? Multiple golden-haired Baratheon kings.
>Targaryens
>laws that govern lesser men
Pick one.
>”I choose fire as my champion”
>That pyromancer’s sick grin
This will never not be hilarious
Their non-Targaryen cops will never not satisfy my penis
So shouldn’t Aerys have chosen his pyromancer as champion? The fricking coward. Brandon would have cut down the alchemist so fricking hard, so they had to chain him down to win. Aerys was afraid of the wolf.
Remember when Robb denied Jaime’s fight request? Aerys was smart and would never do that.
MINE EYES HAVE SEEN THE GLORY OF THE BATTLE AT THE FORD
WE WASHED OURSELVES IN DORNISH BLOOD AND CRUSHED THE DRAGONLORD
WE’RE TAKIN DOWN THE TARG MACHINE WITH HAMMER AXE AND SWORD
THE STORM KING MARCHES ON
>MINE EYES HAVE SEEN THE GLORY OF THE BATTLE AT THE ZOO
>WE WASHED OURSELVES IN DRAGONSBLOOD AND ALL THE DORNISH TOO
>WE’RE TAKIN DOWN THE TARG MACHINE AND THEIR INFANTS TOO
>THE STAG MAN MARCHES ON
Right of conquest is legitimate. If you disagree, targs are also illegitimate
You’re being dishonest. That was a case of a demigod magic elf man with 3 mythical nukes uniting a bunch of barbarian kingdoms. It was a different time. Now if some chud from the vale or whatever conquered the 7 kingdoms he’d be overthrown and seen as a usurper. It’s a different culture. The same way irl right of conquest was a thing and isn’t anymore or even in the medieval era, also it’s not fair and only applies to some people, it applied to Alexander the Great because he was an exceptional man, but if someone else tired what he did and didn’t do as good, he’d be seen as an insane barbarian criminal.
>demigod magic elf man
>this is what targ shits actually believe
>isn’t anymore
Are you an imbecile?
He's right. Right of conquest isn't really acknowledged by most of the world anymore. There's some war going on or something about it.
I've got the feeling that this guy's cause it's going to get roasted.
>rob was a traitor to the crown
You're damn right he was
If Stannis is so great how come he's never won a land battle against an equal foe? The only group he's beaten were some starving women and children north of the wall.
>500 vs at least 30,000
>1,500 vs 40k at least
>still wins
>equal foe
I guess you would also consider Boudica's army to be "not an equal foe" to the Romans.
>I guess you would also consider Boudica's army to be "not an equal foe" to the Romans.
Well yea.
I BEND THE KNEE
Stannis held Storm's End to the point of starvation
Stannis captured Dragonstone in record time
Stannis beat the Greyjoy fleet right outside of their home turf and took their biggest island
Stannis almost took King's Landing even after getting wildfired only to be stopped by a huge relief force
Stannis beat an army 100x his own beneath The Wall
and Stannis WILL win back the North for House Stark even though Robb betrayed him and make popsicles out of the Freys and the Boltons
NIGHT LAMP BABY WOOOOO
STANNIS
STANNIS
STANNIS
>Stannis held Storm's End to the point of starvation
I can sit in my room and seethe too.
>Stannis captured Dragonstone in record time
Against a fleeing foe who was abandoning Westeros.
>Stannis beat the Greyjoy fleet right outside of their home turf and took their biggest island
IronBlack folk.
>Stannis almost took King's Landing even after getting wildfired only to be stopped by a huge relief force
Almost LMAOS. Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
>Stannis beat an army 100x his own beneath The Wall
Mostly women and children. The rest were unarmored savages with no concept of tactics.
>and Stannis WILL win back the North for House Stark even though Robb betrayed him and make popsicles out of the Freys and the Boltons
Already dead.
You will never be the heir, Ramsay
>pathetic pedophile lord
Who?
Walder Frey.
How is he a pedophile
Legitimized his bastard knowing full well his bastard was loyal to nothing or no one and was a barely contained psychopath while he also had a legitimate heir on the way.
Didn't recognize Aria.
Shouldnt Tywin have honored nobility a little more? He honored every trait of the greats from the past, except proper honor. Tywin fought too few battles as young is my opinion.
If only his brother Kevan was more vocal, but alas he was just as loyal and true as based sir Stannis Baratheon.
There is no honor in war. There is no such thing as innocent civilians or war crimes. If you can win by setting off gas cannisters in the enemy's maternity wards, that is a good victory.
Would Ned Stark have supported Stannis baratheon?
That was his intent. He was gonna sail to Dragonstone.
Just how strong is a knight in terms of, if this knight is vastly superior than the others, how many mroe will he cut down?
Lets say you took prime Jaime Lannister against 10 experienced warriors from the north.
Stannis as king, Ned Stark as hand of the king, young Rob being just as deadly except now also under the tutelageship of two of the most noble, experienced and rational leaders. All working together to avenge Robert, the house Baratheon and to finally put an end to the atrocities that has been going on far too long.
This world follows realism, so even a masterfully skilled prodigy fighter/knight could still get a knife in the neck at the absolute worst possible moment. Even the outlier loss happens. Real fighting is circumstantial and immediate.
>Let’s say you took prime Jaime Lannister against 10 experienced warriors from the north.
Will depend on the terrain, equipment and armor that is worn. Or just initiative.
>Will depend on the terrain, equipment and armor that is worn. Or just initiative.
No. Even if you’re the best fighter in the world, agaisnt 5+ Armored men at the same time you’re dead no matter what.
Heh. *teleports behind you*
He said experienced warriors, not well armored men. A naked Dothraki brigand is going to fare terribly against even an old man in plate. They make this apparent in the show.
ned did support stannis, he sent stannis a letter telling him about cerseis kids being bastards and ned wanted stannis to be king. he thought renly was a piece of shit trying to steal stannis crown
He should have ensured the survival of his trueborn son.
If Tywin wasnt such a sperg he could have perfectly molded Cersei. Shame Tyiwn was too stupid to realize he had no other option than to play the loving mother aswell as the father once his wife was dead.
He preferred to play the angry mourning dad as it was more convenient for him kekw. moron
not gutting Ramsey for killing Domeric
The real kino would have been if Ned managed to alert Robert before the hunt
>Hello, we are the Starks, rulers of The North. Here are some of our bannermen:
>The loyal and reliable Manderlys
>The loyal and reliable Umbers
>The loyal and reliable Mormonts
>The loyal and reliable Reeds
>The sadistic house of pure evil with the flayed man banner to symbolise all the people they flay alive, with whom we had bloody and merciless generational warfare with for hundreds of years
>I'm sure they're loyal and reliable too
the boltons really are a comical villain house
What are the powerful bannermen the overlords of other regions cannot trust?
>Westerlands
It was Reyne though Tywin saw to that.
>Reach
Florents are the most obvious but, just in general Tyrell's have a sense of insecurity when it comes to their bannermen owing to the Tyrell's being up-jumped stewards. Notably the Redwynes and Hightowers effectively rule mini-kingdoms in a kingdom.
>Riverlands
Freys under Walder. Brackens and Blackwoods are also just annoying to deal with. Rather like the Tyrells the Tullys have a general sense of insecurity when it comes to their bannermen.
>Dorne
Yronwood
>Greyjoy
Potentially all of them owing to the nature of the Ironborn.
>Stormlands
The Baratheons don't seem to have a 'this is the house we cannot trust'. Connington during Robert's Rebellion but, that isn't really comparable to the other examples.
>Vale
Arryns seem pretty secure. Royce and Waynwood are either the second or third most powerful house and both seem loyal. In Robert's Rebellion the Grafton's were Royalists however, 1) that seems to be the only Vale Royalist of note, 2) they got crushed quickly and 3) it is not even clear how much land outside of Gulltown the Grafton's even command. Baelish under Littlefinger causes problems however House Baelish is in itself not powerful.
the reach really doesn't make that much sense when you consider how powerful the Hightower and Arbor are
The Starks did human sacrifice themselves in the past, they weren't any better than the Boltons, Ned just happened to be a decent person.
>they don't even know about the Skagosi
>Ned just happened to be a decent person.
We call them tully pooftahs up norf.
The Starks fought against wargs and greenseers, and may only be wargs because they defeated a warg king and stole/raped his warg daughters.
STARKS ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE. Or at least they might not descend from good people. Although who really knows what went down in history, lack of context be damned.
Also the old gods are as bloodthirsty as the beasts in the wood. It is not some hippy peace and love religion. It is bloody animism.
>The Starks fought against wargs and greenseers, and may only be wargs because they defeated a warg king and stole/raped his warg daughters
Based breeders and gene stealers. When did this happen?
‘Chronicles found in the archives of the Night's Watch at the Nightfort (before it was abandoned) speak of the war for Sea Dragon Point, wherein the Starks brought down the Warg King and his inhuman allies, the children of the forest. When the Warg King's last redoubt fell, his sons were put to the sword, along with his beasts and greenseers, whilst his daughters were taken as prizes by their conquerors.’
I sometimes think the children of the forest are evil—or if there were factions (obviously) of them. Some must have resented mankind more than others.
Theirs not much you can do they are sworn to him so to not include them would be an insult at the worst possible time, even worse attack them without cause and your other Bannerman are going to turn on you
The boltons dont make much sense when you consider they've fought several wars against the starks in the past and always lose, despite killing their stark prisoners in the most horrific manner.
you cannot give me a good reason why the starks never just wiped out their house.
it's all part of the Alpha wolf kingset
southerners will never understand it
every single mayor house has a banner that hate his lord if i not wrong
Tullys have the frey
Martell have the Yronwood
Lannisters have Merryweather and Redwine
etc.
He produced an insane bastard
Marrying a Ryswell
>devised a plot to betray and murder half the lords of the north to steal rulership from the starks, effectively alienating himself from all the families he was meant to lord over and likely spelling his doom.
>raised the most evil murderous bastard to ever live
>is a sadist who enjoys skinning people alive
>he's just like me
>Intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor.
Yep that's literally me.
Be in a shit television version of the story where Ramsay kills him off cuz the moron showrunners want to streamline the number of overall characters and actors cuz the production budget is getting too high.
HOUSE GOODMEN
Notice how it completely skips the golden era that comes after the dance
Damn a whole 40 years before the realm once again tore itself apart amazing what a glorious track record
It was more like 200years, with a few minor rebbelions but nothing if note until the blackfyer
>It was more like 200years
you might want to go look at the wiki instead of talking out your ass
It was longer then 40 years couldn't be bothered looking it up right now 200 was just a guess
>200 was just a guess
its not even a 100 years and thats ignoring the constant "minor" rebellions, plagues, whatever the frick Blood Raven is doing, crises, wars for conquest and all other manner of constant Targ BS. If you brought up Jaehaerys I you might have a point but the Targ "golden age" is a flat out lie.
the funniest thing in GoT is when dany and jon meet and dany says something like "the realm was at peace with a stark in winterfell and a targaryen on the iron throne"
she obviously doesnt even know her own families history, they were at war constantly
Betrayed the Starks. Robb Stark would've ended up absolutely dominating the Lannisters, driven them off the Iron Throne, and then probably handed Casterly Rock over to the Boltons as a reward for their loyalty.
Instead, Roose arranged to slaughter the Stark's, agreed to the breaking of the guest right, and then got himself fricked by his own bastard.
I’m a fan of the Young Wolf but he made too many mistakes and his dumb mother letting Jaime didn’t help too. Being a military genius sometimes isn’t enough.
Trusting his crazy son Backstabber Untrusthworthington the III and then thinking he could get away backstabbing him
Trusted his bastard.
>AHHH LEWYN SAVE ME
>You morons have still not realized that you're talking about Rickard Stark not Brandon Stark
He won.
He cute
Breaking guest right
Wasn't his house.
betray his liege lord, Robb deserved it for being a moronic coom brain. Didn'tdeserve to have his baby son killed, glad Ramsey got killed tbh
Calling his banners to save a moron.
Him being a vampire would either be the best thing for his character or the worst.
this cheese brained moron knew exactly who his son was, how his son thought and how ambitious he might be, and HE STILL gave him Sansa in the show (IIRC in the book its some girl pretending to be Aarya)
either way show or book, its essentially a guaranteed martyr, stark or not, and he most certainly is too deranged to let her live long enough to bear a son
wannabe fricking twyin ass loser