Workplace black comedy starring literal demon assassins from hell is an interesting premise. It’s surprising it came from Viv, a creator with THE most basic b***h fujo sensibilities ever. I imagine it’s plagiarized.
Workplace black comedy starring literal demon assassins from hell is an interesting premise. It’s surprising it came from Viv, a creator with THE most basic b***h fujo sensibilities ever. I imagine it’s plagiarized.
I just learned Helluva Boss's premise, despite frequently visiting Cinemaphile for more than 10 years and occasionally checking on the progress of Hazbin hotel (though the only thing I really have seen about either series is just the Hazbin pilot).
This one.
I dont think the series was bad but it never lived up to what the pilot set up; it went from being a whimsical show about with a diverse cast to just focusing on how much of an outrageous ass Bloo could be.
>a boy uncomfortably occupying the space between childhood and adulthood enters a space between life and death, faces his character flaws to ultimately triumph over them and becomes wiser and also there's a singing frog
You have pleb taste.
>name a show in the pat ten years.
Do you only watch cartoons?
Also there were a bunch of good shows, and way more even better ones on the way until discovery came around. Rip final space and all the other animated shows.
>>OK KO
Man I was so excited by the idea of some American show so heavily inspired by Dragonball. I wish this one had been attempted a decade earlier before beanmouth Teen Titans Go style "comedy" took over American cartoons.
>>OK KO
Man I was so excited by the idea of some American show so heavily inspired by Dragonball. I wish this one had been attempted a decade earlier before beanmouth Teen Titans Go style "comedy" took over American cartoons.
>The Loud House
I thought the start was good before the flanderization, cutting out lincoln talking to the audience, giving the parents faces and arcs.
Arcane. Yes, I know there's animated shit for it, but it's League of Legends cartoon, it probably shouldn't be that good.
Andor. Spinoff show about some literal who that dies at the end of the movie he's not even the main character of, is by far the best Star Wars tv show.
>but it's League of Legends cartoon, it probably shouldn't be that good.
Definitely. They have lore in LoL but it ranged from generic, to oops-we-forgot-this-character, to 1-off shorts, to let's-rework-this-guy's-backstory-for-no-reason. I thought arcane was going to be a mishmash of edgelord stuff mixed with 'memberberries..
>What if we took a classic 60s film with a wild jungle bear but everyone is more anthropology, made him a master pilot in the 30s evading dogfighters, have his totally radical teddy orphan bear child sidekick, and the nagging girlboss owner who bosses them around
This should have been horseshit and it was amazing
>What if we took a classic 60s film with a wild jungle bear but everyone is more anthropology, made him a master pilot in the 30s evading dogfighters, have his totally radical teddy orphan bear child sidekick, and the nagging girlboss owner who bosses them around
This should have been horseshit and it was amazing
Oh, and drop alll human characters, including the main character.
I dunno, that sounds kind of funny on its own. Mundane at the worst, but genuinely “bad” ideas are rare. Most things keep the idea simple but screw it up anyway.
Arcane. Yes, I know there's animated shit for it, but it's League of Legends cartoon, it probably shouldn't be that good.
Andor. Spinoff show about some literal who that dies at the end of the movie he's not even the main character of, is by far the best Star Wars tv show.
Do shows that drop its shitty premise count? If so, American Dad >Show begins as a mockery of Bush era republicans >Later they completely abandon that idea and use its characters and setting to tell any fun story they can come up with >Also Roger's personas are the definition of a good idea, god-tier execution
Teenagers and Young Adolescents form a vigilante organisation to defend earth and the MC's newly acquired ontologically centralizing mcguffin from evil alien forces but mostly to preserve their adventurous lives they all yearn to sustain in experience
Xavier Renegade Angel.
A postmodern show about an idiotic “Angel” with intentionally shitty-looking animation sounds like the most pretentious unwatchable shit ever but it was the exact opposite.
There are no shows with good execution. Name a show in the last 10 years besides Over The Garden Wall that didn't suck.
Hilda
Drawn Together
Brilliant satirical premise utterly wasted in favor of toilet humor.
I don’t know if Drawn Together counts because half the time it’s genuinely funny.
Green Eggs and Ham at least the first season shouldn't have worked as well as it did, but it ended up not only working flawlessly, but becoming the best modern Seuss adaptation on top of that.
And honestly even though the second season wasn't as good as the first, the way they integrated a completely disparate suess story into the story established in S1 worked better than it probably should have.
The only reason I watched this abomination is because it was by RoosterTeeth at a time where I was loving RVB and because it looked so much like Storm Hawks. Now I'm spending my life deliberately seeking out shows that RWBY ripped off (Soul Eater, Bebop, FMA 2003) so I can stew in my frustration towards how bad it is.
The Loud House rivals Sonic the Hedgehog in terms of "the idea and designs are so extraordinarily perfect that it manages to survive long after it stopped being good based on those two things alone."
Describing the Loud House to anyone makes it sound like the ultimate idea for a kid's show. The only reason people dunk on it now is because the Loud House ruined it. If a better show had done the "boy with 10 sisters" concept, I think we'd recognize it for what it is.
Bruh, Cinemaphile collectively sperged out for at least a week about a 50-year-old Barbie commercial with characters who look like handdrawn Loud House girls
The cutesy simple design is probably 50% why anyone watched the show in the first place and why everyone hates Primos for looking like a bunch of la Creaturas and goblinas
Sonic Underground
Okay maybe not the secret royal family part, but the "Sonic and friends travel around the world stopping Robotnik's schemes while doing side gigs as a rock band" would've been a slamdunk concept if they didn't give it the budget of two paper-mache airplanes and a pixie stick.
Storm Hawks is also a good idea with mediocre execution. Most episodes being disconnected from one another wasn't such a good idea. Not to mention, the bad guys were way more interesting than the main crew.
I’m surprised that other people actually remember these two shows. They both came and went for a short period in the early-2010’s and now we’re forgotten about.
The only thing I didn't like about Robot and Monster was Robot's constant abuse, most of the time he didn't deserve.
Robotomy had potential, also I liked how it was made by the people who did SuperJail.
Victor & Valentino. Mesoamerican mythology and legends are underutilized material, and when the show did pull from it, I was impressed (El Sibon, La Planchada, black and white cadejo, etc). Shame the writing made it nigh unwatchable.
This. Though the main thing that made it unbearable for me was Victor's fricking voice.
Valentino sounds like a kid but Victor sounds like a 40 year man trying to do the most borderline offensive and annoying mexican guy voice he could physically do. I couldn't stand it.
>Victor sounds like a 40 year man trying to do the most borderline offensive and annoying mexican guy voice he could physically do
that's because it was a 40 year man trying to do the most borderline offensive and annoying mexican guy voice he could physically do
Castlevania cartoon, making an adaption of a classic good Vs evil story is a good idea and it’s a fun property. Too bad they shit the bed so hard after killing Dracula. Why didn’t they end after that why?
Regular Show >DUUUUUUUDE LE 80s REFERENCE DARK SIDE OF DA MOON SO RETRO THIS IS SO HECKIN' RELATABLE I'M LIKE IN LE SPACE ON LSD WOAHHHHHHH SO NOT REGULAR BROOOOOOOOOO
You have the kids of classic 'universal-esque' monsters going to high school together.
You have almost 100 years worth of lore to work with.
It's also the 1st fashion doll line I know of to work with a dark- sort of goth vibe.
It could have been a series that parents, probably dads would go "i grew up watching old corny monster movies on svengoolie, maybe my kid would be interested in seeing where these characters came from. Sort of a cross generational bonding thing thst I guess the reboot writers want.
Not to mention all the halloween merch costumes ext they could pump out each october.
yeah i know it's a 20 min commercial for a doll line. so where shows like heman, transformers, carebears ext. all those are looked back fondly while monster high has like 2 movies (13 wishes and haunted) that are actually alright on there own.
idk if it was soccer moms or what ever made them go bubblegum pink in g2, and i guess g3 is just of the times... main point you got countless books and movies for source material and all you get is draculaura occasinally dosnt show up in mirrors or frankie saying "my grandpa is arfaid of fire FirE BAd!"
it's like little girls have never seen Abbot and Costello meet the Werewolf
Most of the books (frankenstien, dracula, the invisable man ext) are all in the public domain. you could totally pump new copies with the MH logo in the corner "See the tragic story of frankies father!"
and these are books not too long ago you had to read in school. You want kids to read right? This stuff sells it self.
You could even hop on the diversity band wagon with it. The creature from the black lagoon is in south america, the mummy is egyptian, could throw in other myths like thatjapanese frog with the water dish in its head.
Also the "build your own ghoul line" mix and match parts to make your own monster. IDK if blinde grab bags are stil big but there you go. parents gotta buy how many so there kid gets the part they want.
man i could see it. If g3 didnt look like a preschool show, like they went after the tumblr girls or you know like the shippers who where all over anphibbiia or the owl house- man they could gone dark like that, have the ooo forbbiden love between the vamp and the where wolf, gone more dark in asthetic and atomsphere since you know high school sucks.
No idea why they made it look like a preschool show.
Helluva boss
it doesn't have a good idea
Workplace black comedy starring literal demon assassins from hell is an interesting premise. It’s surprising it came from Viv, a creator with THE most basic b***h fujo sensibilities ever. I imagine it’s plagiarized.
the entire premise of the show was based off that one TWKUK skit. you know the one
It's premise is what drew so many people in
I just learned Helluva Boss's premise, despite frequently visiting Cinemaphile for more than 10 years and occasionally checking on the progress of Hazbin hotel (though the only thing I really have seen about either series is just the Hazbin pilot).
Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends although the pilot was good.
This one.
I dont think the series was bad but it never lived up to what the pilot set up; it went from being a whimsical show about with a diverse cast to just focusing on how much of an outrageous ass Bloo could be.
There are no shows with good execution. Name a show in the last 10 years besides Over The Garden Wall that didn't suck.
OVTGW sucked so hard it was fully taken off streaming
How was it badly executed?
How is it a good idea?
>a boy uncomfortably occupying the space between childhood and adulthood enters a space between life and death, faces his character flaws to ultimately triumph over them and becomes wiser and also there's a singing frog
You have pleb taste.
Dan VS
Dan Vs ended in March 2013, it's been over 10 years now.
Feels bad man
>name a show in the pat ten years.
Do you only watch cartoons?
Also there were a bunch of good shows, and way more even better ones on the way until discovery came around. Rip final space and all the other animated shows.
I watch anime, but I'm not listing it because it's anime, not cartoons.
Also I don't watch live-action.
>Do you only watch cartoons?
This is the cartoon board, fricking moron
fionna and cake
Catdog
Like 99.99% of all cartoons.
LoK
Kappa Mikey
>The Loud House
>OK KO
>Fairly OddParents
>Milo Murphy's Law
>Amphibia
>The Owl House
>Milo Murphy's Law
Agreed, but the intro song goes really fricking hard.
>Milo Murphy's Law
(You)
>OK KO
That's a bad idea with good execution.
>Amphibia
(You)
>The Owl House
I'll give you that one.
MML was a bland show with an equally bland cast, so much so it needed Doof to bring it any sort of relevancy.
>(You)
Darcy, The Core, the Calamity powers, etc.
True colors killed amphibia
>>OK KO
Man I was so excited by the idea of some American show so heavily inspired by Dragonball. I wish this one had been attempted a decade earlier before beanmouth Teen Titans Go style "comedy" took over American cartoons.
OK KO had neither a good idea nor good execution
>The Loud House
I thought the start was good before the flanderization, cutting out lincoln talking to the audience, giving the parents faces and arcs.
>but it's League of Legends cartoon, it probably shouldn't be that good.
Definitely. They have lore in LoL but it ranged from generic, to oops-we-forgot-this-character, to 1-off shorts, to let's-rework-this-guy's-backstory-for-no-reason. I thought arcane was going to be a mishmash of edgelord stuff mixed with 'memberberries..
Drawn Together
I never cared about the premise I just thought it was funny.
Well just about everything has been badly executed for years so you just need to find something that actually had a good idea
There are no good ideas left
Tiny Toons
Both versions
Not a show, but Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken.
Is there not a single place where you escape the kraken carousel?
Animaniacs
Both versions
The segment was called Good Idea, Bad Idea not Good Idea, Bad Execution
Up
Wall-e (still the best Pixar movie)
What about a bad idea that someone worked
Talespin
Why is that a bad idea?
>What if we took a classic 60s film with a wild jungle bear but everyone is more anthropology, made him a master pilot in the 30s evading dogfighters, have his totally radical teddy orphan bear child sidekick, and the nagging girlboss owner who bosses them around
This should have been horseshit and it was amazing
>classic 60s film
It's all 1930s pulp adventure books. Rebecca is adding the sexual tension from Cheers.
He means the Jungle Book,
Oh, and drop alll human characters, including the main character.
It's a parody of Tales of the Gold Monkey using Jungle Book characters. That's a pretty weird idea for someone to have and pitch in a board room.
A cartoon about an F and a triangle
Phineas is a P.
That's candace
He’s literally the P in the logo.
Ed, Edd n Eddy
>Three kids with the same name trying to scam the other neighborhood kids out of their money for candy.
I dunno, that sounds kind of funny on its own. Mundane at the worst, but genuinely “bad” ideas are rare. Most things keep the idea simple but screw it up anyway.
Arcane. Yes, I know there's animated shit for it, but it's League of Legends cartoon, it probably shouldn't be that good.
Andor. Spinoff show about some literal who that dies at the end of the movie he's not even the main character of, is by far the best Star Wars tv show.
Do shows that drop its shitty premise count? If so, American Dad
>Show begins as a mockery of Bush era republicans
>Later they completely abandon that idea and use its characters and setting to tell any fun story they can come up with
>Also Roger's personas are the definition of a good idea, god-tier execution
My Tiny Horse.
Regular Show
batman beyond.
somehow*
Wow I'm a moron
Not a show, but Chicken Run is the embodiment of this.
Beast Wars
Teenagers and Young Adolescents form a vigilante organisation to defend earth and the MC's newly acquired ontologically centralizing mcguffin from evil alien forces but mostly to preserve their adventurous lives they all yearn to sustain in experience
Xavier Renegade Angel.
A postmodern show about an idiotic “Angel” with intentionally shitty-looking animation sounds like the most pretentious unwatchable shit ever but it was the exact opposite.
Hilda
I don’t know if Drawn Together counts because half the time it’s genuinely funny.
>Hilda
Not finished yet. Plus there's not been any shipping and all the best characters are underused
>Plus there's not been any shipping
You say that like it’s a bad thing
It is. My favorite parts of Star Vs happened when there was romance involved. One of the reasons I read Naruto was because I enjoyed Nagatoro so much.
>My favorite parts of Star Vs
Stopped reading right there
How dare I enjoy something that you don't
teenage mutant ninja turtles has the most moronic premise it's amazing that the IP survived for so many decades
Avatar
>what if we just try to copy a shonen anime
Literally only worked that once. Every other attempt by Americans to do the same failed.
ATHF
Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go is basically sentai parody with monkeys, but somehow this becomes kino, and I say it as the one who hates anime
Gumball
The show started out without any real premise other than pasting a lot of artstyles together.
Green Eggs and Ham at least the first season shouldn't have worked as well as it did, but it ended up not only working flawlessly, but becoming the best modern Seuss adaptation on top of that.
Best 20s cartoon
And honestly even though the second season wasn't as good as the first, the way they integrated a completely disparate suess story into the story established in S1 worked better than it probably should have.
Sad the show never got much attention
It's a good show so Cinemaphile doesn't watch it
Centaurworld
I liked centaurworld I think the only problem they had was they only had two seasons feels like season 2 should’ve been 2 separate seasons.
because it was. They were told they were only getting a 2nd season as they started it, so they said frick it and crammed everything they could
Batman
Not a show, but I remember this being one the first times I was really hyped for something and then completely let down when I watched it
Power Rangers Super Megaforce
The "good idea" was just the gun scythe.
I heard it was stolen from Devil May Cry?
The only reason I watched this abomination is because it was by RoosterTeeth at a time where I was loving RVB and because it looked so much like Storm Hawks. Now I'm spending my life deliberately seeking out shows that RWBY ripped off (Soul Eater, Bebop, FMA 2003) so I can stew in my frustration towards how bad it is.
Ruby Gloom
I guess it counts as bad execution if nobody gets it but me
were you the same autist that posted his cartoon on the sharty
What the frick is the sharty
Sit the frick down and pay attention when you watch a cartoon
Cinemaphile
Captain N: The Game Master
Almost every single cartoon post 2009
Disenchantment
This, the fan fic sequel I wrote as an 7 year old was better then the real sequel
Korra
Thundercats 2012
Locke and Key (should have been animated instead of live action)
What are some bad idea, good execution examples.
Tails Gets Trolled.
The Loud House rivals Sonic the Hedgehog in terms of "the idea and designs are so extraordinarily perfect that it manages to survive long after it stopped being good based on those two things alone."
Describing the Loud House to anyone makes it sound like the ultimate idea for a kid's show. The only reason people dunk on it now is because the Loud House ruined it. If a better show had done the "boy with 10 sisters" concept, I think we'd recognize it for what it is.
>Loud House
>Great premise
LOL have a nice day pedo incest lover
>immediately thinks of sibling children having sex with each other when the concept is mentioned at all
What did he mean by this?
Everyone does
moron
I'd be less inclined to think that if the creator wasn't known to write /SS/ incest comics.
>the idea and designs are so extraordinarily perfect
I'll give you a pass on the idea but you need to elaborate on the designs
Bruh, Cinemaphile collectively sperged out for at least a week about a 50-year-old Barbie commercial with characters who look like handdrawn Loud House girls
The cutesy simple design is probably 50% why anyone watched the show in the first place and why everyone hates Primos for looking like a bunch of la Creaturas and goblinas
>characters who look like handdrawn Loud House girls
? they look more like schoolhouse rock characters
Transformers Earthspark.
Earth-native Transformers sounds cool. But then you notice one of them is named FRICKING HASHTAG.
Sonic Underground
Okay maybe not the secret royal family part, but the "Sonic and friends travel around the world stopping Robotnik's schemes while doing side gigs as a rock band" would've been a slamdunk concept if they didn't give it the budget of two paper-mache airplanes and a pixie stick.
Atomic Betty
legend of korra
RWBY.
I'm a sucker for the fairy tail motifs.
Brilliant satirical premise utterly wasted in favor of toilet humor.
Are there any good shows made since 2010? If not, I'm going to rewatch Storm Hawks.
>Implying the late 2000's weren't bad
Megas XLR, Ben 10, The Batman, probably some other shit
Those were from the mid-2000's, i'm talking about post-2007
The OG Ben 10 always had a good execution, now post Ben 10 on the other hand
are there any shows since 2010
Korra if you want to rubber band between brilliance and moronation like you're on a deranged rollercoaster.
Already watched.
Also, when is Korra ever brilliant? It's written like shit the whole way through.
Storm Hawks is also a good idea with mediocre execution. Most episodes being disconnected from one another wasn't such a good idea. Not to mention, the bad guys were way more interesting than the main crew.
So you're saying it's a good show? Cause I need something to watch after I'm done with Wakfu and Regular Show.
It's an okay show. Worth a watch definitely. It's just wasted potential unfortunately.
Infinity Train
Murder drones
That shit didn't even have a good concept
Generating porn is always a good concept.
Murder Drones has a great original concept, and is done pretty well past the pilot episode.
There's always coomer appeal.
Star Vs.
Steven Universe
Robot and Monster
Robotomy
Adventure Time
Sausage Party
>Steven Universe
"Endorse homosexuality" is never a good idea. Homosexuals need to be purged as ordered by the SS.
>teuton
Silence, untermenschen. The entire human race should be exterminated as Hitler ordered in the laat days of the war for failing the Aryan ideal.
Alright kiddo, it's time for bed.
Communist.
>Robotomy
>Robot and Monster
I’m surprised that other people actually remember these two shows. They both came and went for a short period in the early-2010’s and now we’re forgotten about.
They were both legitimately good IMO.
The only thing I didn't like about Robot and Monster was Robot's constant abuse, most of the time he didn't deserve.
Robotomy had potential, also I liked how it was made by the people who did SuperJail.
Out of Jimmy's head
steven universe
Victor & Valentino. Mesoamerican mythology and legends are underutilized material, and when the show did pull from it, I was impressed (El Sibon, La Planchada, black and white cadejo, etc). Shame the writing made it nigh unwatchable.
This. Though the main thing that made it unbearable for me was Victor's fricking voice.
Valentino sounds like a kid but Victor sounds like a 40 year man trying to do the most borderline offensive and annoying mexican guy voice he could physically do. I couldn't stand it.
>Victor sounds like a 40 year man trying to do the most borderline offensive and annoying mexican guy voice he could physically do
that's because it was a 40 year man trying to do the most borderline offensive and annoying mexican guy voice he could physically do
>beanmouth garbage
All of the ben10 sequel series
The Hollow
season 1 was perfect, then season 2 threw everything in the trash
honorable mention: Steven Universe
How was S1 perfect
Castlevania cartoon, making an adaption of a classic good Vs evil story is a good idea and it’s a fun property. Too bad they shit the bed so hard after killing Dracula. Why didn’t they end after that why?
Regular Show
>DUUUUUUUDE LE 80s REFERENCE DARK SIDE OF DA MOON SO RETRO THIS IS SO HECKIN' RELATABLE I'M LIKE IN LE SPACE ON LSD WOAHHHHHHH SO NOT REGULAR BROOOOOOOOOO
Monster High Gen1
You have the kids of classic 'universal-esque' monsters going to high school together.
You have almost 100 years worth of lore to work with.
It's also the 1st fashion doll line I know of to work with a dark- sort of goth vibe.
It could have been a series that parents, probably dads would go "i grew up watching old corny monster movies on svengoolie, maybe my kid would be interested in seeing where these characters came from. Sort of a cross generational bonding thing thst I guess the reboot writers want.
Not to mention all the halloween merch costumes ext they could pump out each october.
yeah i know it's a 20 min commercial for a doll line. so where shows like heman, transformers, carebears ext. all those are looked back fondly while monster high has like 2 movies (13 wishes and haunted) that are actually alright on there own.
idk if it was soccer moms or what ever made them go bubblegum pink in g2, and i guess g3 is just of the times... main point you got countless books and movies for source material and all you get is draculaura occasinally dosnt show up in mirrors or frankie saying "my grandpa is arfaid of fire FirE BAd!"
it's like little girls have never seen Abbot and Costello meet the Werewolf
just going off on the lore bit more
Most of the books (frankenstien, dracula, the invisable man ext) are all in the public domain. you could totally pump new copies with the MH logo in the corner "See the tragic story of frankies father!"
and these are books not too long ago you had to read in school. You want kids to read right? This stuff sells it self.
You could even hop on the diversity band wagon with it. The creature from the black lagoon is in south america, the mummy is egyptian, could throw in other myths like thatjapanese frog with the water dish in its head.
Also the "build your own ghoul line" mix and match parts to make your own monster. IDK if blinde grab bags are stil big but there you go. parents gotta buy how many so there kid gets the part they want.
reminds me of this post i saw on tumblr
man i could see it. If g3 didnt look like a preschool show, like they went after the tumblr girls or you know like the shippers who where all over anphibbiia or the owl house- man they could gone dark like that, have the ooo forbbiden love between the vamp and the where wolf, gone more dark in asthetic and atomsphere since you know high school sucks.
No idea why they made it look like a preschool show.
Been looking through Toonzone to see old Toonami lineups. Man, by 2008 the block was just Naruto, Ben 10 and Samjack reruns.