Pro-tip you can't.
Batman never had a bad run in his entire life and even if they are lower quality than usual, it still blows most comics out of the water.
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Tom King
>Tom King
Tom king is not that bad.
Think of zeb wells with Spider-man and Black cat, but done better with batman and cat woman.
Argument refuted.
wut
What ever bad is found in tom king is done a hundred times worse with zeb wells.
Find a worse page than this from Wells' Spider-Man.
The Flashes are being directly mind-controlled by Poison Ivy.
And?
The Flashes are only running and fighting at the speed that Poison Ivy can control them.
This is nowhere near as bad as when Deathstroke used to trip up Wally, or the time when he stabbed him.
We see them be mind controlled before. They are still faster then light.
Has Tom King ever answered for this?
Why would he? They were mind controlled by Ivy and it can be said that they're fighting control by not being as fast. Same thing happened with Superman under Ivy's control in Hush. Even the impact of hitting something that fast could be explained away that it's the speed force protecting Selina. So mind controlled superheroes will make themselves into jobbers.
>Even the impact of hitting something that fast could be explained away that it's the speed force protecting Selina.
I hope you realize how dogshit this sounds.
That is an actual use of the speed force. Flash can lend it to things around him to protect them.
I guess you don't.
Exactly. I don't have to explain.
You're saying that Poison Ivy managed to control the Flashes, but not well enough to utilize them effectively in stopping Batman and Catwoman. What about pic related? She seems to be able to direct Flash reasonably well here.
Anyway, she sent the Flashes to take them both out, but the Flashes were secretly resisting so they either ran slow enough for Catwoman, who has no powers, to make her hits connect exactly to knock them all out without shattering her bones or even hurting her, or they were able to transmit speedforce to Catwoman so that they wouldn't turn her bones to dust while she somehow managed to knock them out.
Isn't speedforce depicted with an aura or lightning of some kind? Catwoman has neither when she hits them.
The speedforce can do a lot of things and is generated from Flash. He's done things like catch people and not break their bones, shield himself whenever he runs or even falls, he can cancel out impact with it. It's also a bullshit power. A writer can easily say that it's speedforce to explain things. Also, Flash is a notorious jobber. Deathstroke has bested speedsters on several occasions.
The only times I've enjoyed The Flash is on the JL/JLU cartoon (when I was a kid) and The New Frontier comic.
Jobbing.
The worst part about King's Batman isn't even King's shitty writing but Janin's "art".
This. I can't stand Janin and his soulless 3D models.
Janin is really awful.
Yeah, the art is so fricking bad. He is literally tracing his art. Dude should not be allowed to do any comics at all.
I'm more offended over that shitty poser art tbh
welcome to janin's art
That's what I thought.
BAT CAT BAT CAT BAT CAT BAT CAT
BOAT STREET BOAT STREET BOAT STREET
SPIDER CAT CAT SPIDER SPIDER CAT CAT SPIDER SPIDER
OSCORP BRIDGE BRIDGE OSCORP OSCORP OSCORP
Anyone else besides tom king?
Had a pretty good start but fell apart and got so bad that King got booted from it and had to continue his run with a non-canon maxiseries.
Did people forget kevin smith existed?
Kevin Smith's Batman was good. He needs to finish it.
He needs to be put on a more lighthearted character than Batman, and assigned an editor with a bullwhip to keep the dudeweedlmao jokes to a minimum.
I really liked how he wrote Dick in the opening scene in the Quick Stop.
He did a miniseries not a run. Batman has had plenty of shit minis over the years like City of Light.
Morrison's run was the last good one. Nice bait, try better next time.
This.
who told you that?
>who told you that?
Batman fans?
Thread’s over.
People keep saying tom king.
What was so bad about his run?
One more.
How is he so bad at dialogue? How is it even humanly possible?
He's trying to be the next Bendis, except somehow King is several degrees worse as a writer, so he can't even pull off Bendising right
This. The story was shut and the art was even worse.
>bat cat bat cat cat cat bat bat
>street boat street boat boat street street
I do not care for the Starlin run. grounding Batman in 80's modern times with the cold war and reagan was sort of cringey and blatantly trying to run with what DKR did.
The Starlin run is downright embarrassing on rereads.
I wish OPs could at least fricking explain what's so bad about the shit they complain about.
A lot of it is over exaggerating. They'll claim something is horrible but it's just mediocre at worst. A couple years ago we had what I would say was the worst Storytime of Pain Weekend and we had the entire run of King's Batman and the entire run of Slott's Amazing Spider-Man done. And several legitimately shitty comics never got posted. And I fricking hate Slott's ASM run.
Judd Winick
King, Snyder, tynion, tynion on tec, Zdarsky and Tamaki on tec are all tied
Snyder
King
Tamaki
Spurrior
Their runs all sucked
Bill Willingham.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
Larry Hama is one, only thing that I like the art.
Damn, really? I never knew Hama did a run, that sucks you’d think he’d be perfect for Batman. What was bad?
Are we just talking the main Batman title?
Tynion's run was terrible. Joker War and Fear State? Clownhunter and Ghostmaker and Miracle Molly? It was bad.
So is the current run by Zdarsky.
Besides that the Judd Winick runs weren't very good. People give the first one a pass because he brought back Jason Todd, but the writing was still on the low end.
I thought zdarsky batman is good tho?
Zur en Arrh? The Multiverse arc? It's the work of a mediocre racoon rifling though the trashcans of his betters.
LMAOOO THIS homie HAD BATS SURVIVE A SUBORBITAL RENTRY
>LMAOOO THIS homie HAD BATS SURVIVE A SUBORBITAL RENTRY
So?
Batman survived omega beams.
omega beams don't exist
They do?
>Batman survived omega beams.
Cartoons don't count, dumbass.
Didn't Tynion admit, point blank, that working the Batman book these days is a literal nightmare on par with writing Amazing Spider-Man if not worse?
Something about how the the backlash towards the infamous Nighwing amnesia storyline, plus Tom Taylor being his usual c**t self not playing nice with other writers, DC not knowing who the current Batgirl or Robin is and if Babs is even Batgirl or Oracle right now, has led to DC banning any future Batman writer from doing anything major with the supporting cast to avoid another "Dick=Rick" debacle and that garbage like Clownhunter, Ghostmaker, etc was the compromise where Batman editorial is now allowing writers to create an endless supply of new OCs to effectively fill the void where writers have to create new supporting cast members to both avoid another Dick=Rick situation and to keep Tom Taylor from screeching about how he's being stiffed having other writers tell him he can't break toys like he's used to breaking them.
I remember those substack entries
Heard something like that, but it was more along the lines of "To get Tom King to sign an exclusive deal with DC instead of Marvel, he was granted Morrison/Snyder level full creative control over Batman and shit the bed so badly that DC is now micromanaging the main Batman book to keep that from ever happening again".
How terrible.
Batman is having it worse than spidy?
SPIDERMAN CHADS WE WIN AGAIN!
wonder why Zdarsky then decided to do the main Batman book then since he stated he refused to do ASM due to much Editorial mandates/control on the book
There are runs within the New 52 Batman/Detective Comics that were absolute dogshit. The one with Gordon's military past was shocking in how weirdly bad it was.
Probably some run that nobody remembers during some in-between period in the '80s or 2000s.
All the stuff I can remember has been at least fine. Barr, Moench, Rucka, Morrison, Dixon, Grant, etc all had good stuff. I didn't like Snyder very much, but I can't say the comics were iredeemably awful compared to the average superhero comic.
Maybe Loeb? Hush is lame and overrated.
If we're talking about more than the modern stuff, then his worst run was probably during the Silver Age era when his comic was copying Superman. Not even the charming Silver Age stuff like Zebra Man or Signalman, but the shit like "Batman goes to a random planet to fight inter-dimensional spaghetti aliens."
Morrison's run sucked.
It didn't, but I wish it wasn't as influential as it is.
Find a worse page than these
in Morrison's and Loeb's Batman.
Loeb's Hush story.