Neal Kirby released a statement about the Stan Lee documentary, through his daughter's Twitter account
https://twitter.com/Kirby4Heroes/status/1670191107169484800
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Neal Kirby released a statement about the Stan Lee documentary, through his daughter's Twitter account
Stangays seething in 3, 2, 1...
>Documentary is Narrated in Stan Lee's voice
Isn't he dead?
You think that's going to stop Disney?
Oh anon.
You may live to see manmade horrors beyond your comprehension.
Oh, frick.
Jesus Christ, they're having AI voices narrate posthumous biographical documentaries now? That sets a horrible precedent.
I hope they do it with David Attenborough's voice, it just feels wrong watching nature documentaries with someone else narrating
It's archive recordings, dummies
how did he know the script so far in advance?
Next you'll pretend you think Tupac is really dead too
lol
lmao, even
Burger comics are so full of autistic drama even when all parties involved already bit the dust.
I feel bad for Kirby's son and grandchildren being forced to inherit his grudge against Stan Lee
Like shit, we all know Stan Lee was a prick when he was alive, but come on, they're both dead, let this shit go finally
Kinda hard to let it go when pop culture has turned Stan Lee into a figure of worship and it was built on the back of a bunch of different creatives that only saw a fraction of the acclaim if that.
Valid
First statement is fair.
I wish people would realize that it's pretty fair something like this doesn't happen to some extent. Everyone wants one person to mythogize and often one or more narcissists are very loud and one wins out. But with a few accepting of course most achievements are group efforts, worst case is when the person the public gives all of the credit literally did nothing.
Wot
This is a battle against the corporation Disney, not between the scions of these families.
The post is very balatantly about Lee and little mention of Disney themselves.
Seems legit
Wow the Kirby family is bitter, what else is new.
You'd feel the same if all the credit goes to someone that outlived the pioneers and inflated his ego over the years.
>Stan Lee helped screw over Kirby to please his corporate masters, but was screwed over himself in the end. Marvel fired him from his position of honor in 1999 or so, and he sunk his name and money into a comic and web business called Stan Lee enterprises. It was run by a huckster named Peter Paul, who ran it into the ground and ran off with the money. Stan got rehired by Marvel in the early 2000s, but still had to hustle for money. His wife was a money grubbing b***h, and his daughter was double money grubbing, as well as mistreating him. Stan fell into the clutches of hucksters as his dementia kicked in. They had him at cons, propped up like Weekend At Bernie's, signing autographs with an X because he couldn't write his name. They also unironically took his blood and used it to make collectibles. For all his fame, Stan Lee was never truly financially comfortable or happy. His family and business hangers on sucked.
Was this deserved?
Who are you quoting?
Some post I saved from the past.
Honestly no. Regardless of what you think about the man, that's a pretty grim way for anyone to spend their twilight years.
Yes.
Damn man, everyone involved in this story is dead. Let it go. People who know, know. And people who don’t know don’t care. It’s just comic books.
>Damn man, everyone involved in this story is dead. Let it go. People who know, know. And people who don’t know don’t care. It’s just comic books.
Me but with the holocaust/slavery
STAN LEE WAS THE GREATEST CREATIVE MIND THAT EVER LIVED! THOSE SO-CALLED 'ARTISTS' DID JACK SHIT! NUFF SAID!
EXCELSIOR, TRUE BELIEVERS!
I don't get why Kirby and his kids were so insistent that they should have the rights to the characters he created for Marvel. He made them under a contract where he knew from the beginning that Marvel would have ownership, right? Then decades later, when they proved to be profitable, he demanded ownership on the basis of... what, exactly?
It's not the rights so much as it is simply just the recognition for it. Especially now that Marvel is the biggest franchise in history, and Stan got to be the friendly old man what made all them cameos because he made everything.
Though when Jack was alive, his main point of contention after he finally left Marvel was ownership of the original artwork, not necessarily who created which characters.
>literally who that was not there when it happens make all the convenient suppositions.
>NOOOO HE ONLY WROTE DIALOGUE AND GAVE THE COMICS THEIR ENTIRE PERSONALITY HE DID NOTHING
Lee not only wrote the entire characters himself, he coordinated the creation and desgins of the characters in almost every instance, with the few exceptions coming from orders by Goodman himself. Without him these characters wouldn't exist at all. The co-creator credit has always been deserved.
Lee has never in his original publications claimed full authorship and always paid due respect and promotion to his co-creators, because in most cases he was their fricking fanboy.
This isn't some made up shit, the bullpen has been thoroughly researched and Lee's word on the matter through the 60s and the 80s are well recorded.
Later, when he was in his 70s, old, tired, with memory problems and harassed by his narcissistic daughter AND papparazzi accusing him of nonsensical shit he started making mistakes. And the media did the same to Kirby too.
Shame to see even the kids of Kirby bought into the papparazzi bullshit.
Shouldn't have ended like this.
tl;dr?
>lee bad so of course he lied about co-creator credits and never had any input whatsoever no-no and his dialogue changes and decision how and where text is placed mean nothing for the comic's worth.
If the credit should be shared, then just share it. Just be honest about what you contributed and what the other person contributed. Why couldn't Stan do that?