Netflix executive:
>YO HAHA GUYS, IT WOULD BE A TOTALLY GOOD IDEA TO PUT JET IN OMASHU, CUT BUMI and make him involved in some BORING plot instead of sticking to the source material where he's a badass revolutionary who secretly beats up old people and tries to blow up a dam to destroy a village of innocent fire nation civilians
did they actually do this
>Cut jets story
>Cut the complete arc of aang running away from his responsibilities as an avatar
>Katara is not the one who wakes aang up and comforts him during avatar state
Why did they even bother?
>Katara is not the one who wakes aang up and comforts him during avatar state
Kek, who does that now? Fricking Sokka?
Lmfao no but maybe that's what should've happened, he's unconscious and they decided to take him the village with Sokka suggesting they just leave him there.
Sokka's kind of like that at first, fckin weird ass kid.
is not the one who wakes aang up and comforts him during avatar state
That's gay. I guess the writers heard zoomers screeching about Aang's and Katara's age difference and now they try to tone down their relationship compared to the cartoon. Frick this world.
Or maybe since it's real life actors, they're both gonna be older when the show ends and they get together.
It might not even be because of that, Katara/Aang ended up being one of the least popular pairings over time(aside from zutara shippers) so I wouldn't put it past the writers trying to "fix" it.
True.
It had it's moments
>ended up being one of the least popular pairings over time(aside from zutara shippers)
anon the zutara shippers were the only reason aang/katara was "unpopular". narratively its just obvious and not even really played for will they/won't they so much as comedy of embarrassment.
Initially yes as the show was airing but over the years I've seen people who aren't shippers favor it less or think it was poorly handled.
Aang was the main character and he was OWED sex. If not Katara, then who?
Gangbang with the Kyoshi warriors
Have him take Ty Lee or someone. She's flighty and airheaded they'd probably hit it off.
Actually in the books it explains that Zuko is a cuck. Katara DID marry zuko sometimes in their 20s. Katara loved both of them and it was a tough decision, so she decided that aang was the last of his race, he needed to repopulate, and Zuko understood what that meant.
Airbenders are polyamorous. Aang would be fine with sharing.
>Actually in the books it explains that Zuko is a cuck. Katara DID marry zuko sometimes in their 20s. Katara loved both of them and it was a tough decision
It’s just a Zutaragay being delusional. Ignore them.
People like you are why Netflix does this shit. Frick you
Netflix does this because israelites pay them to. No one else has any effect.
>they do it just to make people who like source material mad
>this is YOUR fault for liking the original, not netflix's fault for changing it
Fricking undergrounders just cant help themselves.
No homosexual it’s your fault for hate watching it now have a nice day
israelite revealed
LMFAO!
What are they doing?
Wdym people like me ? Jet was trying to kill the earth king in the live action. Why did they change it? Maybe they don't want to portray how anti colonizers can be evil too?
wow, they're making shows for people who torrent everything?
that does explain why they don't try harder to produce quality I guess, but their budgets still seem uneconomically high.
haven't watched yet, did they actually cut jet's story?
it's not worth watching the show for long enough to find out.
Jet is involved in a boring terrorist plot to kill the king BUMI in the live action. And there's no tree houses or beating up old people.
LAME
frick netflix
They offer him no ideological reason for wanting to kill BUMI. It's just they have an opportunity so they do it. There's no lesson to be learned, no nuance like in the cartoon
>no nuance like in the cartoon
Ah yes, "if you kill your enemies they win" is very nuanced.
He was planning to kill his own civilians to get at "the enemy". He's written off a valley worth of his own people as collateral damage. He's the kind of "soldier" who says "if the enemy takes one of our cities we should bomb our own city". The plan was basically the Moscow Theater Hostage Incident.
>Jet is involved in a boring terrorist plot to kill the king BUMI in the live action
What? Why the frick would he do that? What's the idea? "Bumi is a coward for not launching offensives against a superior enemy, time to replace him with someone who will"?
Yeah sort of
Bumi is in this whole thing of giving up hope and Jet calls him senile and a coward so he plans to kill him by planting a bomb on the Mechanist artifact whom he hates after Katara and he discover he is working with Fire Nation spies in Omashu
Anime cannot be kino
Just watch the original and ignore the remake if it's going to piss you off so much. The original isn't going anywhere.
>Netflix follows the cartoon step by step
>Oh you just copied the cartoon. Wtf is this?
>Netflix differentiates some parts from the cartoon to make the story more smooth and coherent.
>Uhh you didn't follow the source material!!! What were you thinking????
I just want them to do justice to the characters and capture the feeling and lore of that world. If they succeed at these then I'd be happy.
>to make the story more smooth and coherent
This didn't happen. Shoo, israelite.
Who the frick would complain that the show is faithful to the source material?? Its an adaptation, not fricking the Force awakens
>Who the frick would complain that the show is faithful to the source material??
Cinemaphile would complain about Netflix's lack of originality.
Well of course everyone is complaining. Just don't make the fricking show!
Why people so up in arms about a live action adaptation?
It doesn't taint the cartoon it still remains its own thing. And best case scenario you get a good live action version of it. homies act like a new adaptation will make the cartoon disappear or something.
ultra israelite shill discourse
It's like this with every franchise innit. Don't act surprised.
It's because it's rude. There's a song you like, someone remixes it with fart noises all over the music and well, frick this guy and his stupid song, he doesn't like the song or something? Is he mocking it? What's his deal? Is he making a joke? It's obviously less good, there are farts all of it. Frick him it's a great song.
If they made their disdain of the original song so explicit as to put "fart noises" in the new material then yeah I'd be mad too. But people get mad over a live action Avatar adaptation no matter if the intention is pure hearted or not. If Avatar could survive through Korra where it shit all over the original's lore and worldbuilding then I think a live action adaptation where it's completely detached from the cartoon will be fine.
>where it shit all over the original's lore and worldbuilding
The Netflix adaptation literally spends the first 20 minutes doing exactly this.
Literally how?
Korra was actually good. people only don't like it because they keep trying to compare the enemies to real life ideologies like morons.
It was relationship drama in an awful pseudo 1940s steampunk shitheap. The fights were cool and some of the stuff with the adults and non-city locations too.
God do not start with Korra.
The equalists are not communists.
The equalists were cool and I could understand some of their arguments. Commies are gays
The equalists started becoming radicalized in Republic City as a result of industrialization, the reason such sentiment does not exist in ATLA is because without industrialization, society was more traditional and benders helped out their communities it was culture. There was also less industrialized jobs that benders could perform and nonbenders could not, so in pre-industrial society benders were the warrior class but once Republic City was founded they became the everything class. The only way to solve the problem would be returning to monke.
There. Everyone else is a moron.
Republic city was so cringe
The show does things like this so many times, stating the obvious and over explaining for the viewer it's actually grating to hear.
Don't get your panties in a bunch regarding this since cartoon Granny states this just as plainly.
No she doesn't, she just says no one has seen an airbender in generations
And at the end of episode 2, when they are departing she says he's the avatar, that he's supposed to bring balance and that they have to go for destiny's sake. All that good exposition. It's cuter in cartoon form but it's there.
We and they already knew he was the Avatar at that point. Restating it isn't exposition. Likewise, saying "your fates are intertwined" doesn't qualify either. It's a meaningless statement. It's not expositing anything.
But did the live action really need her to state the opening line of the original show's theme like that too? The way its done awkard as frick and its not just the granny who has this issue, it's the way the dialouge is written and it's bad at times.
I take back everything i said. Gran gran you know too much, what the frick was that scene. Mentally comparing this with the cartoon is weird as frick. This is breakneck pacing, infodumping all-else be damned. Characters feeling an emotion? No fricking time for tha hey what's that on the floor is that the script?
yeah it was weirdly delivered
in the first episode of the cartoon Katara mentions it was Gran Gran who told her stories about the Avatar and I think it's cool how they included it as an actual tale passed down by tradition but the way it got told felt too on the nose
who would have thought that a 2000s cartoon aimed at 12yos was able to be more subtle than a 2020s live action show aimed at general audiences. like, apparently Netflix view their audience as more infantile than frickin' Nickelodeon's audience of literal infants.
They shit the bed with Amon's big reveal. He had the potential to be a top tier villain
he couldn't be a top tier villain becasue they were told they were only getting one season. all the issues with korra are the network's fault.
The issue with the equalists is that there's no way to actually beat them. Why? Because it IS an unfair society, and industrialization was making it worse. The equalists would have continued existing even if amon died.
And what of Republic City's tax policy?
Amon indeed had a badass design and a presence at first. The god damn Koh theories, man. How could they do this to him? To us? How could they make all of this? Have you watched Korra's first two episodes recently? Go rewatch the initial pilot in a vacuum, it's edifying.
season 1 was awesome. the rest was an attempt to expand on the lore of the spirit world which didn't need any expansions, plus a moronic way to re-introduce air bending into the world of avatar. and finally a wokeshit ending. korra could have been great but was entirely wasted.
The spirit world expansions were my favorite part
i hated it. the spirit world is supposed to be mysterious, it shouldn't be explained and depicting spirits as cute manga animals was pretty meh compared to the way we see them in aang's show. the only worthwhile moment in the spirit world was korra meeting iroh. also frick spirit vines, who the hell comes up with such crap.
if they were going to do the season 2 plot it should have been the final season of the show as a big blowout.
the thing is, I heard that the whole reason they used that plot in season 2 is because, yet again, Nickelodeon fricked them over by telling them they only had one more season.
there's really no point in talking about LoK in qualitative terms without acknowledging that it never had a chance to be done justice.
>there's really no point in talking about LoK in qualitative terms without acknowledging that it never had a chance to be done justice.
they failed miserably in season 1 so it's wouldn't have mattered
Anon you have to wait till the show airs to make this statement.
>korra was actually good
Holy frick the revisionists are actually here now
You say this as if Disney did not ruin Star Wars. I used to love the originals and now I don't care if I ever hear the name Luke Skywalker again. Believe it or not, shitty adaptations do ruin things.
>You say this as if Disney did not ruin Star Wars.
The SW sequels were a continuation of the original trilogy. The Avatar netflix show is complete detached from the original cartoon.
Your analogy would work better if you were talking about Korra which was a cartoon also and made by the original creators.
I don't think it makes a difference. The point is adding more content to a franchise tends to ruin the franchise more often than it adds anything of value to it. You're caught up on unimportant details.
By this logic you could say the 1989 Batman movie and BTAS were "detached" from the original comics and therefore should not shape people's perception of Batman at all. Obviously it doesn't work that way. This is a major Netflix production which obviously will seep into normies' perception of the Avatar franchise through cultural osmosis.
Nobody reads comics whereas the Avatar cartoon is already extremely popular on its own. Just like the Shamalan movie if the netflix show doesn't do justice to the IP the normies will always have the cartoon to go back to and see how Avatar is really supposed to be.
Live action reaches a broader audience who aren't into cartoons, and it makes the cartoon fans look bad when the live action is fricking stupid
>Why people so up in arms about a live action adaptation?
Because it’s a cynical cash grab
Frick off you dishonest homosexual, no c**t has ever said
>Nooooo you've followed the source material too closely in this live action adaption
maybe they should have made an original story set in the world using live action then.
except that would have meant taking a risk so they didn't.
>Oh you just copied the cartoon. Wtf is this?
Has anyone ever said that before?
Maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't have made it to begin with.
Original: freedom fighter who also kills civilians, making a nuance and lesson to be learned in his character and how freedom fighters can become bad guys
Netflix: moron who tries to kill the earth king bumi even though OMASHU is the last bastion of resistance against the fire nation, for no reason
>And there's no tree houses or beating up old people.
That... that's literally the whole appeal to Jet's rag-tag gang of war orphans.
Right? The whole thing was "The Lost Boys from Hook except they're fighting an insurgency and are willing to kill civilians." The character still works in a generic functional way, but it sounds less fun and less creative without the tree fort and the rope elevators and all the visually interesting stuff.
I'm already not going to watch this though, the best Netflix live action I've seen is the one piece adaptation and I never finished it because it wasn't good.
Pretty much, I love the kind of stories that force the characters to take on the role of adults/leader that they clearly took inspiration from for Jet's gang, it's disappointing honestly.
>The character still works in a generic functional way, but it sounds less fun and less creative without the tree fort and the rope elevators and all the visually interesting stuff
Yup
I would care if I gave a frick about some lame live-action adaptation
Is the portrayal and casting of my boy Zuko good in the show? From the trailers and clips Sokka seemed the most accurate. Ironic because twitter trannies tried to cancel the Sokka actor for not being "native enough".
Zuko is pretty good, his sisters casting is shit
Yep a real chinese looking guy this zuko. No wait japanese, anyway we can't see it from this picture but Zuko's supposed to be a chinese dude. They just drew him like for the cartoon.
His race isn't great but his personality is accurate. His sister is not only not looking like the original, but she also does not have mean sharp voice and sadistic personality as the original
Fire nation is based on the Japanese empire from WW2 moron. Airbenders and north pole are the only actual white people in atla
>north pole
>white
Em...
NWT was originally Scandinavian inspired, hence the mostly white people.
It only turned native post ATLA as a way for the designers to have a more cohesive look across both North and South
>NWT was originally Scandinavian inspired
That would have been cool to see
I feel like blonde blue eyed north pole would piss me off as much as a black avatar ngl
Oh no, I'm giving them ideas
I see so it must be why the fire nation people do nothing related to japanese tradition. But look at the architecture, quick hire the chinese martial artists we need some slant eyes in there. It's all japanese under the cartoon paint. They're hiding the sushi trays.
Nta but fire nation takes inspiration from Thai and Chinese culture, SOME Japanese but mainly Thai as reflected in the clothing. I can see why people get it mixed up.
Really? It's been awhile I'll have to take another look at the art book.
Yeah yeah mixed up, or maybe the cultural inspirations of the cartoon were never that important and when they bend the races of the actors around because the fans insist upon it then the result looks fricking weird?
This is an inuit, look at him in all his inuitness. Can you tell?
This is the problem with translating the show to live action. The world is obviously informed by Asian culture and mythology but all of the characters are basically coded as white, even the ones with brown skin. Notice how all the water tribe have blue eyes. They're a fictional race just like everyone else in the cartoon. You just can't make something like that work in real life.
I mean. The earthbenders bend Earth because they live in the earth kingdom, if an earth citizen were to live at an air temple then he would have been a buddhist monk instead.
I don't think i'm being stupid for dying on this hill because that kind of fairy tale thinking was what gave us ATLA and, on the contrary, the pragmatic and sensible-parallel-aware-realistic type of logic gave us something like Korra and everything else, the comics as well.
>all of the characters are basically coded as white
The fact that you relate to the characters doesn't mean they have to be the same race as you.
Yeah kinda true lol, the only time he looks vaguely inuit is in the show's early concept art before being simplified for animation.
People get the thematic and aesthetic real world parallels for the show mixed up. Thematically the Fire Nation is based on imperial Japan - an expansionist power that industrialized first and thinks it's superior to the surrounding cultures. Aesthetically it's heavily Chinese (your pic, Master Pian Dao and his mansion, the Fire Lord's Palace) and Thai (Ember Island, the temple of the Fire Sages) influenced.
not watching. frick netflix and frick whoever decided that avatar needs to be milked for cash.
sozin was such a chad tbh.
>Yep a real chinese looking guy this zuko
Are you implying that he doesn't look asian?
Dallas Liu honestly feels like he's to Dante Basco like Greg Baldwin is to Mako. He's taking his role more seriously than anyone else in the cast and respects Dante's legacy.
He doesn't really look the part, but his voice fits. He also has the most martial arts experience out of the whole cast.
Unfortunately, the writing is tries to portray him as developed as Book 2 Zuko without having the experiences, with makes him have less depth instead of more.
The voices fitting the cartoon voices is something i noticed as well, they maybe fit even to perfectly, suspiciously so. Do you think there's a bit of AI voice modification mixed in their dialogue?
>Do you think there's a bit of AI voice modification mixed in their dialogue?
I'm unironically ok with this
Then again, zukos important moments are not in season 1 so time will tell
You know that "Dumbledore CALMLY asked Harry" joke from the Potter movies. Zuko is literally the opposite. He's emotionless and calm the entire time.
I was told they tried to cancel him for faking his tribe registry, as in, not native at all
It had something to do with the tribe he was registered with not being officially recognized
Zuko gives the best performance. Really really good.
Zhao is excellent.
Aang is pretty good, although he has some pretty awful dialogue.
Sokka and Katara are so-so. Although something about Sokka's writing elevates his performance. Maybe sarcasm is an easy mask for flat delivery.
Iroh is so-so. His delivery is too stage-actory.
None of this is true
Really? You think Iroh, Katara, or Sokka's performance was good? I'm sorry, but you are clearly a Netflix shill.
They are all terrible
They're trying their best. Aang suffers from child acting. He's cute, i want to buy him a burger but everyone's delivery sounds flat. Not a lot of energy on screen. Seriously i hope none of the actors are seeing these threads.
I don't even remember who this character is. Most characters in Avatar are boring, I only liked Toph.
>Maybe they don't want to portray how anti colonizers can be evil too?
Man you are right
that's the kind of shit people on twitter say and I bet you they will change Hama's thing as well somehow so she is not portrayed as evil
I can't find a torrent. don't have the netflux
Or maybe he's an indian-american or a mongolian. Meanwhile Sokka looks like a surfer dude, i'm sorry but that's what he is and the atla fans have spun a web of ethnic parallels, canonized it over the span of 15 years of daily discussion and drank their own koolaid to the point they see a chinese Zuko and think: looks totally like him.
I don't blame the crew of the netflix for this, they were trying to please you by casting it this way and it's not some horrible crime either, just delusional so i'm calling it out.
I honestly can't believe any of you are even watching this shit. What the frick is the matter with you? Don't you ever learn? Why would you ever spend precious hours of your life watching ANOTHER FRICKING GOYFLIX LIVE ACTION REMAKE?
I'm watching it because it's actually good and these people are only complaining because they're autistic. The only episode I really hated was 3. There were some things that could've been better, but whatever
I watched about half of the first episode then deleted all the files, I doubt I'm alone. the show is just a waste of time like the disney live action remakes.
The files? Where did you get your files?
from my netflix subscriber's filing cabinet, silly.
Oh nevermind i found them. I claim this post was a joke.
But I'm not? They didn't even care enough to get actors that looked the part, of course I wouldn't watch.
It baffles the frick out of me too.
i have 2 monitors
truly one of the shows of all time.
im speechless
btw they made Oma and Shu two women
so the city of Omashu is built on lesbian love
The original show runners are homophiliacs so that’s not surprising
Damn those are some long ass episodes.
>tries to blow up a dam to destroy a village of innocent fire nation civilians
It was a village of Earth Kingdom civilians with a Fire Nation garrison. Jet wanted to kill them all because he was a psycho obsessed with revenge masquerading as a freedom fighter. Netflix would never depict the rebel against the ebil imperialist Empire as a bad guy.
>blow up a dam to destroy a village of innocent fire nation civilians
They were Earth Kingdom civilians, it was an Earth Town occupied by the fire military. That is why it's horrific, he was willing to kill the people he claimed to protect. "If everybody's dead who are you saving?"
Help me there's a child actor on my screen. He's making faces at me.
Aang didn't even run away.
>i need to go where things make more sense at least for now...yes the thunderstorm, my secret garden oh no!
His motivation for leaving was weaker too, from the get go we're told Aang just doesn't want the responsibility of being the avatar just after being revealed that he was because he never wanted to be special or whatever. We dont even get a passage of time showing why Aang begins to detest being the Avatar like the original did.
Ok but at least Suki is hot
They're not modulating the tone right, they can't hit the highs and they can't hit the lows. The pace of events alternates between too fast and too slow. Who the hell's at the wheel?
just watched the first episode. It's shit. Bad writing, bad dialogue, bad casting, bad camera work, bad action scenes except for the young actors, bad green screen, bad exposition, and bad changes to the original. semi-decent score, okayish CG, and nice Zuko and Sokka casting.
also, it suffers from distance scaling. one moment in the water tribe and the next moment in Southern Air Temple. even the cartoon makes you feel the scale of distance between these 2 places. You need to make a journey to get to places and not just teleport to the destinations
season 2 was shite. season 1 and 3 were masterclass. season 4 I dont remember
All seasons of Korra were godawful garbage. Season 1 didn't even reach the midway point before it turned to shit.
Frick off.
korra is shit
the live action is also shit.
the only good parts of this entire franchise is the original series, books 1 through 3.
the anti-bending movement was interesting and they expanded on the content in the aftermath comics. I did not like how they tried to Americanize the world by making them live in not new york city
>also, it suffers from distance scaling. one moment in the water tribe and the next moment in Southern Air Temple. even the cartoon makes you feel the scale of distance between these 2 places. You need to make a journey to get to places and not just teleport to the destinations
now that you mention it, the pause between episodes does help in making the world feel bigger
its also an editing problem. scenes start and end very awkwardly a lot of the time.
>semi-decent score
Lmao
The music was the worst thing for me. It was such a generic orchestra, except when they were using the OG soundtrack. But they used the OG stuff so sparingly, basically as musical stings, so bizarre. They even use the OG stuff properly, like the leitmotifs are matched correctly, so it's not a matter of ignorance. It's gotta be that they didn't have the right person to arrange things properly, maybe they cheaped out on their music guy, couldn't pay them enough to do it properly, so they had them concentrate on the "hightlights", hence using the OG music as stings.
actually yeah and it felt like they avoided using the OG soundtrack in its full form and only played a slightly modified out-of-tune version of it as if they were trying to evade a copyright strike
Badass defensive wall, maboy. Two watchtowers.
it was like that in the show, southern water tribe is poverty tier
In the show it was only one watchtower and it was implicitly built by Sokka and the kids because of how amateurish it looks.
Who gives a shit? Only autists notice this stuff.
>Don't kill random civilians in your political crusade
This moral message is too offensive for modern leftwing audiences. I'm surprised they got away with it originally since it has a lot of parallels to the dambusters in WWII which killed thousands of civilians.
I don't know if anybody else noticed but they copied a scene from Man of Steel almost word for word.
Was it the “stop, my invincible son” scene?
No it’s the talk Pa Kent has with Clark. Aang goes “can’t I just keep pretending I’m your friend?” And then Gyatso says “you are my friend!” Acted out in the same exact way as MoS
I'm convinced the people who hated Korra the most were the writers themselves in a perverted way. I mean this cartoon was misery porn, they punished her for not being liked, it's 4 seasons of Korra fricking everything up each time and getting shat on by everyone in-universe.
>oh yeah you don't like her? well see how much you like her now
>and now just like that yeah
>and then, and then, yeah look at her cry now
We don't like you Korra, you're just a stupid child! Not a competent avatar!
Wait, what do you mean aang was 12?
well jokes on them, seeing korra get beat up and cry makes me rock solid
It's kind of strange that they removed Zhao's trip to the library. They took a lot of effort to kinda "interweave" or "tighten" some of the looser plot threads in this version. Like you have the past avatars getting more screentime, war balloons being used early, they set-up Yuei as being spirited-connected early, and of course they give Wan Shi Tong a cameo.
And it can't be that they aren't worried about the later seasons. Jet is only relevant in season 2, the Mechanist in season 3. They set aside (and sorta invented) a whole episode to preserve those details.
they're trying to shove everything into the first season to jangle keys in front of the audience as much as possible, in the belief that it will help justify the remake's existence.
it's gotta be that they are skipping the library in the next season. wan shi tong gets an appearance in this season as a consolation prize. maybe the desert is skipped entirely and we get half the season in bss
its clear they wanted more plot threads in season 1 to pull on and give them more breathing room for episode layout in season 2
pretty much a bad thing overall