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Everything hellboy that isn’t the comics or del torro is terrible.
even the del torro stuff is mediocre besides some of costumes and set designs.
WHY IS THIS SERIES SO CURSED!?
Mignola must have pissed off the irl Rasputin or something. This is a franchise about demons and an end of the world prophecy after all.
When you mess with dark shit for funsies, you get fricked in the ass by paranormal things. See: HP Lovecraft, Stephen King and Poe.
I don't see a problem. Movie CGI has been pretty shit so far. AI making it worse would be impossible by every metric.
This has nothing to do with CGI, moron. this is about character design
Source?
Even Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast used AI back in the 90s, don't see the issue here
If mignola doesn’t make a statement about this he’s a massive fricking homosexual.
So technology is advancing? Cool
>Demanding creators be ideological puppets which destroys their creativity
Take this cringe back to where you came from
You won't remember how to contribute anything meaningful to Artistic conversations, just how to be a cringe luddite
have a nice day
Nope, instead you will have to suffer from me making my ongoing series about AI development. Said to be the new Star Wars in spiritual visions
It's a normal part of the concept art process to use photos from online, research, etc. to cobble together designs. This is just a new tool for that
Instead of "this random building looks good" it's "this random AI image looks good"
Easy to see why you like AI so much when your art looks like this.
Pipe down boil, we don't need you to make the same comments and self-replies you've made 100s of times before
Why is your art so terrible?
>Tries to come up with a new statement
>Has to ask me like I'm his school teacher
The proudest defender of AI hate, they're so lucky they have this kind of mind to speak for them
So are you gonna tell us why your art is so terrible?
that one actually might lead to something great, let him cook
Lol Jesus Christ this shit is hideous
oh god, did this homie have 4 strokes in a row?
https://twitter.com/artofmmignola/status/1785472828328038420
He had zero idea and is just finding out right now like us
I hope Mignola shits on this movie to no end.
Imagine if you could look forward to making a positive contribution to society rather than attacking anyone who threatens your career interests
Anyone on Cinemaphile has no career interests.
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Can't tell if that's good or bad thing
Is he just contractually obligated not to talk shit about this?
I have to imagine so. And it was a nothing tweet too. "I'm just finding out now too. Not happy about this."
He forgot to purge his likes at the very least. I think the worst part is that if Im reading the article right, it wasnt the director making this call. The president of the company went over him and did it.
>this franchise can't catch a break
It really can't. The 2019 movie. BPRD's ending being rushed and underwhelming after decades of comics. Scott Allie being an abuser. Guy Davis and John Arcudi leaving, and at least one of them being shafted out of royalties. The list goes on.
Hell, I hear that even the game that came out last year wasn't very good.
Yeah I wont lie that the ending wasnt particularly satisfying, honestly while I like all the one off comics they do for hellboy now its still weird knowing the ending. I enjoyed the game, its a fun beat em up, Lance Reddick isnt who I would have cast but it grows on me after a while.
I cannot get into the game at all. The genre just does not mesh with the the feel of Hellboy for me
Honestly I just think the games controls arent tight enough, and it needs to be more difficult. I really enjoyed dualing the bigger enemies but it could be clunky and get repetitive, and I didn't die until halfway through the game. But if it wasnt this it should have been something like a point and click I think
There is something way messed up with the controls, something just feels wrong with the control scheme they use for the light and heavy punches. I agree a point and click, or something like a Resident Evil style game would.
If there's gonna be a controversy it'd be funny that all he needed to do was keep his mouth shut
gay
>using AI for concept art and character designs
may satan take your wretched souls
>have all of mignola to draw from
>use the theft machine to produce slop instead
Hellboy is a cursed franchise.
Jesus Fricking Christ.
"Jonathan Yunger, President of Millennium Films." I'll remember that.
It's the funniest thing that the biggest generation of media pirates RÈEEEEEEEEE when they perceive (incorrectly) that copyright infringement is affecting THEM
He won't hire an artist to do something, he'll just do it himself and give himself a bonus. butthole.
>The guy who did this is the President of the studio
Frick, they can't kick him out
Gonna be trash. Hate that Mignola allows these shit movies to be made. I remember him shilling that last flop movie. Wonder what he'll say to sell this one.
the future is now kek
but tbh most of Cinemaphile is against gun ownership so a revolution to stop AI overlords from ruining every industry is impossible
I'm waiting for there to be someone in the industry who holds no illusion of respect for the anti-AI crowd. Someone willing to use terms like "Luddite" and "Unabomber" as insults for people who rage against AI's use
>Someone willing to use terms like "Luddite"
Time to step up and be that person, then, since you're literally the same moron who spams that insult on every board across this fricking site.
Calm down, Unabomber
I can think of no greater insult to Mike Mignola. The man created something great by working hard and cultivating creativity, and now the movie rights to his work are in the hands of people that would prefer to steal that create.
How can you steal things that didn't exist before they were generated? At this point you're just complaining about invention, wanting to be in the company town of established brands, trapped from seeing anything outside of those brands.
but his art sucks.
I'm going to rape and kill you dude
>AI generates the images from nothing
>some fricking nobody calls it stealing
Wonder why no one is listening to you anon
>concept art
>for a comic character
You have the comic art right there, use that.
nah they wanna make gay OC donut steel lame shit like the portfolio abortions people shoved into the castlevania netflix series
We went from an oscar winning director who would design the creatures himself to dudes having AI design for them.
I like how no one is questioning why the frick is the president of the studio doing the character design art. Is the budget down that bad for the movie or is it the more likely scenario is that he wanted to ise buzzword ai to get traction of a hellboy movie & push millenium as corpo innovator.
After the Godzilla Minus One director pushed Hollywood's shit in by designing the CGI himself, Hollywood has no excuse.
That's different and you know it.
It did seem bizarre and if
is true then it was probably some kind of butchered quote like that time when some air force colonel said some shit about a rogue AI drone killing its human operator but it turned out to be some hypothetical scenario he made up. Maybe this Yunger guy was only IMAGINING the possibilities at some speaker event.
I mean, he apparently did it for the movie he IS talking about.
This really is the shit we're going to have to be vigilant for, talentless producers trying to make even more money by just cutting out as many creatives as they can.
Cool
It must suck having such a deficient imagination that you have to ask a machine to imagine things for you.
The AI thread on Cinemaphile is always full of gems
Know what AI doesn't do? Insert fetishes,and woke shit at every chance. Why not fire the fricking gaypilled artists and replace them with AI that will actually make a real movie and not a college essay on gender studies.
what if we get based woke-hating, gay-bashing, groid-hanging artists to work on these movies instead?
ai-shills don't have the brain power to process this line of thinking
Problem is there basically aren’t any
We both know AI will be injected with gender, fetish shit. It happened with Tay AI, it'll happen again.
Why are AIjeets so dishonest?
lmao wtf is microsoft doing
nta but you wouldn't have that problem with self-hosted solutions
also I wanna see those freckled cheeks and butthole
>AIjeets
redditor
>Know what AI doesn't do? Insert fetishes,and woke shit at every chance. Why not fire the fricking gaypilled artists and replace them with AI that will actually make a real movie and not a college essay on gender studies.
>Know what AI doesn't do? Insert fetishes,and woke shit at every chance.
Uhhh anon...I..
I keep forgetting this film is coming out.
Shot over a year ago, quietly & quickly, no leaks/looks, hasn't made the news up til now. Clearly an ashcan to hold onto the HB rights.
And the worst part is it's based on a storyline I enjoyed.
This is still kind of subversive among comic, art, and film fans. I really wonder why they would bother bragging about this in public if it's not for some kind of hate clicks.
Wow, and now the legacy of Hellboy will not just be a really shit movie that no one knows how it got a greenlight, but the first movie to replace the concept art team with AI.
>hellboy
>kino
pick one
I suspect the original design was too standard of a demon design. Ya know, something we might see in Hellboy. And the one we end up seeing will be garishly over the top, or "original."
How the frick does somebody take something like Hellboy and go "hmm nope no inspiration here, these 3000 randomly generated designs are better." Does Yunger have any actual art experience background or is he yet another number crunching middle management type?
Because it's about having designs in an afternoon instead of two weeks.
>Does Yunger have any actual art experience background
His IMDB is wall-to-wall "Producer" credits, no experience as writer, director, or anything artistic. He did a few "lol, I'm in the movie!" background extra parts, the truest possible sign that he's a rich butthole.
This is a producer bragging about how he can fire the entire art department and replace them with a random number generator.
Guess they will have to get real jobs now. What a fricking tragedy
If it wasnt for the art departments and the art he is scraping to "make his model" he wouldnt be able to generate anything dipshit.
Also have a nice day.
Look, concept artist make a fricking stupid amount of money for the piss poor, almost zero amount of work and that shit needed to stop. A guy that works for three weeks and makes 100K for it needs to be fricking shot. That's not working, that's not a job. I'm not crying that the biscuit wheels fell off that gravy train.
I dont know what reality you live in where concept artists make that much money for 3 weeks of work. Never mind the fact that if anything thats what the person who is made this ai choice is making because hes the president of the company.
Anyway have a nice day if youre dumb enough to believe the numbers you gave
Anyway kill yoursel
Drawing isn't working anon, no one needs to be paid to draw pictures. It's a hobby, not a career.
...and it's a hobby little kids have before they gain actual skills.
okay, have a nice day
You clearly have no idea what hellboy is about, considering hellboy never once displayed interest in being evil Its a wonderful dive into folklore, myth, and religion through the lens of a unflappable protagonist who at is core never falters from the man who his father raised him to be. Why would I even care about you posting me telling you to have a nice day, you have no idea who I am and I dont know who you are beyond the fact that you have garbage opinions and that I think you should have a nice day.
I dont even work in the industry, I work in tech lmao anyway have a nice day
Your complaints are detached from all reality.
>I hate artists, they need to get real jobs
The saddest thing about all this nonsense is the morons like you, cheering at the thought of out-of-work artists, oblivious to the fact that the people who will lose out in this new environment aren't going to be the artists you hate the most. The rainbowhaired rich trustfund kiddies will be the ones allowed to remain. The "I nailed a banana to the wall" dudes will do just fine. The ones that are going to be fricked are going to be the dudes coming from poor families who just wanted to make art, but won't be able to make a living at it any more, and won't have mommy-and-daddy money to help
I hate all modern artists I don't care
Artgays need to start a civil war in their own community then if they want popular support. AI is basically conceived of as a blunt object weapon in a populist revolt against R. Mutt shit smear banana tape garbage which is now the establishment. Have some artists start larping as Rembrandt and saying uhh we’re to go back and surpass all the old masters rather than subvert them and watch public opinion flip back to your side. There are some people who are truly just anti-intellectual anti-artistic lumpen morons but there are many others who just want the entire art world to burn down due to their resentment towards elite art who could probably have their minds changed were artists to align themselves with more conventional people rather than against them
>populist revolt
>it's used by greedy businessmen to cut costs and increase profits
I bet you're one of those c**ts who think supporting Trump is also revolutionary
>populist revolt against R. Mutt shit smear banana tape garbage which is now the establishment
so this is the current moronic sentiment among you mongs? you defend a rich idiot who i swear to god has never made a good movie in his life and only gets greenlights by ways of connections and cash by saying he's using "anti-establishment" tools? you imbeciles need to get some perspective, its not "populist", its not "anti-establishment", its exactly the opposite, you mules
i hope you're just making up shit you don't actually believe in because you'll be crying the moment your stupid brain gets event a glimpse of what you're trying to advocate for
My favorite part is that the banana-type art is precisely the shit that won't be affected by AI.
AI will not be able to walk into a museum, staple a banana to a wall, and yell "there, art, now pay me."
What AI will absolutely frick over are the people that just want to go into illustration.
We're looking at our culture being turned into the worst slop imaginable, art being discarded in favor of algorithm-created images, while the internet fills up with AI-written articles and AI-created realistic videos, to the point where it'll be impossible to tell what's real and what's not.
And there will be people watching civilization rotting who will applaud because they've deluded themselves into thinking this hellscape somehow "owns the libcuck establishment."
Anyway, glad the Hellboy movie doesn't have AI in it. It'll probably suck anyway, but hey, maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be decent.
>The ones that are going to be fricked are going to be the dudes coming from poor families who just wanted to make art, but won't be able to make a living at it any more, and won't have mommy-and-daddy money to help
So what you are saying is, they will have to get real jobs....
Normies will never grasp that. America in general have a full on seething hatred of the very concept of an artist and considers them to all be banana wall Andy Warhol types. They are not going to accept any explanation, they have their conclusion, they do not give a frick what details you want to speak.
It's the same situation as with retail and fastfood workers. American normies fricking LOATHE minimum wage employees and want to treat them like shit, but still want the burgers. Meanwhile the boomers send all manufacturing, shipping and big boy adult jobs for the unskilled worker overseas, and leaves the non college grads with gigs and low wagie shit. Then gets right to work hating them for taking gigs and low wagie shit.
Basically if you are not in an office climbing ladders while wearing a tie, you might as well fricking have a nice day in their eyes.
>banana
It's been half a decade. Get new material
Makes sense. All those movies could've been done with AI.
>Be Mike Mignola
>Work hard on your craft
>Develop a distinctive imaginative style
>Get a decentish movie adaptation that sorta falls off
>Get a reboot that's just fricking The Worst
>"Maybe next time things will go better"
>Log onto twitter for some funny cat pictures, and someone asks you what you think about an article just published about the new Hellboy movie...
he deserves what he gets, he's a pussy homosexual that doesn't want to upset people
>b-but muh hollywood contract money
he doesn't fricking need money, he should already have "frick you" money, but he's just getting fricked in the ass
I mean does he even have the ability to actually stop movies like this from happening? My understanding was that he does not retain the rights to the movies because of the original deltoro series so he can't actually stop them. Like I know the discworld series got awful adaption after terry Pratchett died, his daughter shit on it too, specifically because while he didn't have the rights the studio knew he would tell anyone who asked him that it was garbage and if he's dead he can't do that
Mike Mignola doesn't get a single penny from Hellboy and instead has to rely on commercial work to get by.
>Mike Mignola doesn't get a single penny from Hellboy
fricking how
because this is an American comic, not a European comic or a manga.
>"This is Mike's fault for accepting the money!"
>(Editor's note: Mike did not accept the money, he has no say in this shitshow)
so he's got no reason to hold his tongue?
why is he being so gay and deleting his comments
He don't want drama? Being sued?
Corny
"New movie is using new technology" is not even on the list of tragic problems, or even just tragic problems within movies
Art departments will be using AI too
If you want to talk about anything it should be my series about AI development
have a nice day
Screenshotting this for emails
And if it wasn't for them learning from previous artists, real life, etc. they wouldn't have anything either.
You know you're real convinced of your beliefs when you're spamming death threats as you "debate".
Im not interested in debating, Im interested in you killing yourself, thanks for letting me clear that up.
have a nice day
I get it, you're throwing a crybaby tantrum over your trans fetish being ruined, you're not saying anything I couldn't predict
Please. Only spoiled kids are crying about AI. If this was their actual motivation they wouldn't nuke someone's reputation for playing around with an AI generator
Poor kids don't have the connections and wealth to cause a ruckus in society instead of doing what it takes to earn a living. You're defending people like the detective Pikachu artist, Arvalis
Weird thing to bring up trans out of no where, Im just a hellboy fan.
Anyway have a nice day
Really what do you like about it, the theme of a demon making the hard choice of renouncing evil despite how easy it is to keep that path? Or you're just saying empty garbage for your tantrum
I'm going to play a game of sending screenshots of every comment you've made so far and see how that affects your persona
>*Andrew Hussie
Samegay why don't you address my series about AI development, is it because I conceived it with my best friend who worked on your favorite webcomic Homestuck? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lpcyBYfl36185A6wglfFV-txRuuk3dtu8BtRKJiXVaU/edit?usp=drivesdk can you prove you have more than the most elementary literacy?
Boil I'm going to message industry people 30 times now since that's the justified retaliation for your behavior, enjoy.
>I dont know what reality you live in where concept artists make that much money for 3 weeks of work.
I'm sure Arvalis (one of the leading AI haters) was paid big bucks to make pokémon ugly and unappealing.
>Really what do you like about it, the theme of a demon making the hard choice of renouncing evil despite how easy it is to keep that path?
This has never been a plot point of Hellboy. It is quite litterally the opposite case, it has never once been difficult for Hellboy denounce his numerous destinies.
>sending screenshots of every comment you've made so far and see how that affects your persona
>sending screenshots
>of Anonymous
>on Cinemaphile
/guy/ unless you've got some kind of glowie IP address reader that can automatically locate where we're posting from you may as well be pissing in the wind [that means that you're getting yourself covered in pee because the wind is blowing it back at you]
I can explain where every word of your comments come from. You're not like me, who comes up with my own ideas, you wouldn't be able to come up with a series about AI development because that violates the rules of your art communities that define your behavior. Those art communities need to be held responsible
And people attack me for my teenage comments here and on John K's blog to this day
Isn't this the schizo who claimed viziepop stole his artwork?
When a human being learns from the works of other artists, they filter what they're looking at through the sum total of their lived experiences and tastes. When an algorithm draws from artists works it has no life experience to filter it through, no tastes, no likes or dislikes. It's just an unthinking math problem waiting for someone to plug in a few values.
You're assuming that I am advocating for people pressing a generator button and collecting a paycheck
What I'm actually saying is that it's no different than using a random photograph for your concept work
dreamworks used AI in kung fu panda 4 and no one cared
I don't like the AI in KFP4, but there's a pretty big distinction here.
They plugged the Chameleon's basic frame into an algorithm and let it produce janky nonsense, using it because it took the basic model they'd made themselves and moved it in disquieting ways.
I don't like it, I don't respect it, and I think it moved us further along a very slippery slope.
But it was a very limited and specific use, very different from a producer with no art background hitting the "make me some demons" button because he just doesn't feel like using the great designs from the comics or hiring an artist.
Mignola is Liefeld but less talented and more of an butthole
It brings me great joy to know that every passing day brings us one step closer to Butlerian Jihad.
Just a reminder that it was executives that decided the practical effects from the Thing 2011 didn't look cool and replaced all the already shoot scenes with CGI monsters instead.
RIP art
>Guy showing up in a Hellboy thread
Every day he isn't raped by Black folk is another day we spend in a godless universe.
Being this desperate to relieve the anxiety of my threat as a Christian creator (making a story about AI development) shows you're gay
I suppose it's more what Mignola would focus on if he was actually great
Your idea of ethics is something nobody besides yourself wants to follow
Okay? have a nice day.
Seconding.
>I suppose it's more what Mignola would focus on if he was actually great
Hellboy is possibly the greatest portrayal of a christian character in any media
>Glances at twitter
>The Director is saying "For frick's sake, we didn't use AI, the Producer told people he didn't like a demon then went home and made some on his own computer and went 'cool' because he's a moron, and then he wasn't clear when he talked about it in interview."
https://aiptcomics.com/2024/04/30/hellboy-the-crooked-man-director-ai/
Break out the pancakes everyone, Hellboy has dodged being the posterboy for AIslop fricking up a movie.
For now.
uhh why are you doubleposting
An important typo needed correcting.
oh potentially good then, I still hope ai shills kill themselves since currently there is no ethical way to build or use one of these tools of course.
That said it means the dipshit president is badmouthing his own movie and team which is moronic
You look at THIS resume
and tell me you're surprised the man's a fricking moron.
Man, it'd really be fricked up if they used AI when adapting a comic by Richard fricking Corben of all people.
This doesn't contradict what the producer guy said. He said he used AI to make a mock up of a monster he preferred. Not that the AI is in the film.
Nah its contradicting because its misquoted for a completely different horror movie.
We’re back
It's Damage Control
The Offering already came out and the single monster in it want AI
https://80.lv/articles/creature-design-in-the-offering-creating-the-abyzou-demon/
>It's Damage control
No, it's not. Read Yunger's actual statement.
While working on The Offering he saw some work being done on a demon. He went "looks like shit to me," then went home, pulled up the Rugurgitron2000, and told it to make demons. And it did! It made so many demons, and he clapped and went "whee! I'm creative!"
And then in interview he mentioned the experience while saying that he really liked the idea of using AI in movies in future.
Then REALLY BAD REPORTING resulted in an article turning that anecdote into "There's a ton of AI in the new Hellboy movie."
Is AI still bad if you train it on your own collection of work? Not saying this is case here, but I don't see any ethical issue with that. Quality maybe, but it seems like an interesting use. Saw someone doing it with his own pixel art for some decent results.
There is no training it on your own collection of work unless you have an absurdly large amount, only finetuning it. And a finetuned generator was still fed the work of others.
I think it'd work with simple pixel art. Much less complex than other AI art. Plus it takes less than you might think.
https://imerit.net/blog/how-much-data-do-you-need-for-your-ai-ml-project-all-pbm/
Plus there's a lot of royalty free pixel art to add to the mix
If an A.I. does a better job then you at something like this you should probably quit.
>New Hellboy movie uses AI
Really? That based!
>https://x.com/artofmmignola/status/1785472828328038420?s=46&t=vrBEHTqcRx-yIljm9JTNHw
>Mike Mignola “Here's my take - I knew nothing about this and am just finding out now - not happy about it.”
Why? Stop being moron!! Adapt or die artgay!
I just want to see a straight adaptation of Seed of Destruction. It would be cheap to make and it sets things up well.
The craft of reporting is on an all time low
>So desperate to NOT pull from the source material, the creators are willing to essentially randomly generate characters instead
lmao
>And that's why I think it's important for places like film schools to start to learn how to use these tools
Imagine spending thousands of dollars to study filmmaking only to end up "learning" how to press a button to receive art like some kind of lobotomized lab animal.
You people are acting like a complete film was received
Of course it didn't even make it into the Hellboy film so you're not particularly concerned about the truth
Or, creatives can use AI
>creatives can use AI
AI is nothing but a crutch for talentless hacks.
Also, just so we are clear, everything that isn't blood and dirt rubbed on the wall of a cave by hand is also a crutch for talentless hacks. Art peaked in the Neolithic and everything since has just been the deathspiral of true creativity.