Based, I hate that shitty homosexual, I hated him from the moment I saw him in his very first episode showing up, and killed the show for me, it didn't help that the creator wanted to shove him almost constantly
Crazy how this is the best song that's official and it's a cover of a fan song. Sam Haft is such a hack he could get replaced by some amateur on YouTube.
>In a shitty marriage >sleeps with some loser he met once when he was 7 or something >hopelessly ‘in Love’
He’s just desperately jumping from one shitty relationship to the next, why is this portrayed as good?
Moxxie is bi, and has been turned into such a push over crossdressing homosexual that likes to be pegged by his wife (coff coff beard) that he's one step away of becoming the Angel Dust of HB
And when’s the last time we saw them? Or Loona? Loona hasn’t had a line since last season. Viv is laser focused on the guys dicking each other and we can expect more of the same from HH.
Im not excusing Stolas, it's just obvious they both hate each other. Stolas now thinks he can escape his doomed relationship through Blitzo which is just not ideal.
>Never considered talking to his wife
The marriage has been going on for at least 17 years and Stella clearly seems too far gone for "just talking" before Blitz and Stolas started sleeping together.
What's the point?
That's distinctly untrue lol
Unless it's been said to be otherwise going off a biblical cosmology the basic concept of demons full stop are no older than Lucifer revolting, by which time humans should be a thing or nearly such
Gods first creation meaning before the universe, its why fictional depictions of Lucifer can wipe their ass with the laws of physics as they are literally beyond physics.
I was thinking the same thing. He can do way better than Blitz. Also, does Octavia not exist anymore? I also know he hates Stella but it seemed like he loves to hate her which was what made their marriage dysfuntionally perfect for demon characters in hell... until season 2 happened.
because that's how Vivzie thinks relationships work ig
I was thinking the same thing. He can do way better than Blitz. Also, does Octavia not exist anymore? I also know he hates Stella but it seemed like he loves to hate her which was what made their marriage dysfuntionally perfect for demon characters in hell... until season 2 happened.
>Octavia
getting off is more important than taking care of your biological children
It's nice
I don't like it, but a lot of work has been put into it and I can appreciate it.
Stolas has an unhealthy relationship with Blitzø, so in a way it's nice to see him do something about it. It's also disturbing how much of a pedestal he puts Blitzø (who I see as a piece of shit) on
I’d like for Stolas to realize that putting all his faith in one person to end his misery is wrong. but these two are obviously end game, right? Otherwise all that cutesy shippy merch becomes kind of awkward
Starts off singing about how he can give them anything. But realizes he will eventually have to let them go and be on their own. I'm thinking it's because Octavia becoming more of an adult. Nope gay sex again.
Also how does aging work again. Is she 17 years or 17,000 magical years old.
In the original song that you can find on YouTube they have lyrics talking about Octavia and what he's done to her because of the failing marriage. Viv and company removed those lmao
Jesus
That's sad. Stolas actually acknowledging his relationship has consequences to his family.
In a small way kind of reminds me of Moral Orel in which, the Reverend Putty is lonely. Finds our he has a daughter at first is distraught of having a child minus the sex, but does learn to battle his loneliness by hanging out with his daughter.
Stolas still has a relationship with his daughter that he's frankly not taking advantage of. Hell, in her first episode he took her to an amusement for children because that's how long it's been since he paid attention to her.
Stolas would be a really interesting character if they portrayed his situation in a more objective, neutral light with both good and bad sides of it like with Reverend Putty. Instead it's just "look at how gay and sad our gay sad owl is, feel bad for him"
No, in that case most people would call her a filthy cheating prostitute.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>calling a girl who cheats/breaks up with an abusive husband a prostitute
Not a good look either
5 months ago
Anonymous
If she still keeps focusing more on her imp plaything than her child yes she is
5 months ago
Anonymous
Just like Stella who doesn't give a damn about her kid, but she's still beloved here.
Curious.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Stella isn't portrayed as a victim or in the right
Stella is barely portrayed at all
You are NOT very intelligent, well-homosexual
5 months ago
Anonymous
She isn't portrayed as a victim but you wish she was, considering how you're all defending her. Which is my point. If a character is female and has sex appeal she could be the most morally bankrupt character in the entire universe and get away with it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No, it's a pretty simple matter actually
Stella IS a one dimensional b***h, and that just makes it easier to compartmentalize and ignore for fanon purposes
The prominence, and indeed INSISTENCE on Stolas' relationshit drama has the opposite effect
Oh I suppose you COULD cry about a double standard, but it's such a nothing comparison you would only really bother if you were a seething fujo
Maybe attempting to bait, but sincere fujoshit salt seems more likely
Anyway
5 months ago
Anonymous
>The prominence, and indeed INSISTENCE on Stolas' relationshit drama
That's the show.
5 months ago
Anonymous
And thus the show is bad
Circles n shit, homie
5 months ago
Anonymous
enjoy watching a bad show
5 months ago
Anonymous
In a cosmic sort of way, yes I do
5 months ago
Anonymous
We barely see Stella and Octavia interacting period hell I don't think we eve saw both talking in the same but that's not even a character thing that's how the show ignores them for the gays
Stolas just ignores his daughter and gives false hope
You really think all the chuds on Cinemaphile are going to defend a loose lesbian character who’s always shown to be the victim despite being a flaky neglectful mother.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Stella is the neglectful parent, not Stolas, who did all the parenting by himself. But god forbid Stolas slips a couple of times. Being so deep in divorce drama that you forget the date of your shooting star hangout is def more cruel and harmful than trying to kill your daddy.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I don’t have a problem with Stolas slipping up, but the writers of the show sure seem too. Instead of just letting Stolas be flawed they have to resort to the cheapest emotional tactics to get the audience to sympathize with him and that’s off putting.
5 months ago
Anonymous
This! Stolas is obnoxious because the writer’s favoritism is so obvious. He doesn’t even feel like a real character.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The show would have to focus on a female character for longer than 2 minutes without a male present, and that's far too much time for a show like this.
Friendly remind this isn't a new song made by VIvzie this was an original song by PARANOiD DJ that Vivzie decided to canonize but removed lyrics one of which was referecing Octavia >“Is this how’d she feel? Abandoned, all alone and left to fend for herself? For some semblance of happiness that doesn’t have to end?”
Showing Stolas worry about how the divorce is affecting her now IS JUST "WO IT'S ME I'M SO SAD MY LOW CLASS FRICKTOY DOESN'T LOVE ME"
All I have to say is fricking lmao. Season 1 actually did a good job showing just how much Stolas was fricking up his family life. You can have both Stella be an abusive b***h you deserves to be discarded, but at the same time have Octavia suffer because Stolas can only concentrate on Blitzo. The ingredients are there, both Loo Loo Land and Seeing Stars have pointed this out, but unless it's actually paid off it means nothing.
>Cares more about the childhood friend (Who he was with for a single day) than his own daughter.
Even if he and Blitzo knew each other for years, Stolas' priorities are so fricked. It's not just this music video either, both the two Octavia episodes have Stolas being massively sidetracked with Blitzo and neglecting his daughter, including when she's fricking missing.
Based on the leaks, how Octavia being done with her father miserable ass and going to live with her mother is bad again?
The show has the chance to take a 180 and turn by having Octavia lash out at Stolas how he does nothing but acting sad and how she has to do something extreme like leaving alone putting herself in danger so that he father has to stop looking at his fricktoy who doesn't even like him
I think what he's saying is there is a huge opportunity to develop Stolas if he was given a choice to choose between Blitz or Octavia. What would the outcome be and the consequences are things you can't take back.
Speaking of that leak, if that's really the end of the season you'd expect Octavia to be a more prominent character leading up to it. Is Gillbert Willow Weed expensive or something?
>Hires expensive Broodway Actor that you can't afford for multiple episodes >Makes the character they are voicing a recurring character
Wow she's already doing dumb decisions in Helluva Boss and worse ones in Hazbin Hotel huh
5 months ago
Anonymous
I Imagine they will probably have to change Moxxie’s actor eventually if Viv can no longer afford Richard Horowitz. He’s a union actor in a mostly non-union show. That shit is already expensive
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I Imagine they will probably have to change Moxxie’s actor eventually if Viv can no longer afford Richard Horowitz >He thinks Fatziepop would recast Moxxie
Moxxie would probably remain quiet, and never utter a single word despite being part of a b-plot and get reduced to cameos, sound familiar?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Horvitz is in a unique position in that he's ALSO the voice director and I think some other stuff for the show. So he's not JUST doing VA Work (and is presumably being paid more because of that)
5 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe that would give Millie a chance at having a character that isn't 'Moxxie's wife who's good with melee weapons'.
What I'm I thinking? Viv will just put more Stolitz shit in to replace it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I mean it's all relative on how much each actor is willing to work for.
IRC Fizzaroli, Stolas and Ozzie's VA's are all ALSO Broadway actors but obviously their willing to do this gig for whatever amount that their affordable as regulars/semi regulars.
5 months ago
Anonymous
This
Obviously I don't think Barret has spoken on the issue but who knows whether she's too pricey or it's Viv ignoring female characters whenever possible
If the finale leaks are right Octavia's mother dies and her father goes full impdick priority, making Octavia actually truly alone at that point. Fricking tragic. I don't know how the hell Vivzie is going to do outside capitalizing on everyone's observations that Octavia never seemed to notice/actively ignored Stella's abuse of Stolas and pushing it into a malicious conduct on Octavia's part, proving somehow she IS her mother's daughter.
Not that any writing implies Octavia is any iota as bad as Stella but all that matters is Stolas not being culpable of anything apparently.
>If the finale leaks are right Octavia's mother dies
I think the leaker said he wasn't sure if it was Stella or Andrealphus that died, just that one dies and the other gets away, I know that if Stella survives she will be written into more shit, but still, I want to live
from that leaked storyboard it's exactly what's going to happen
5 months ago
Anonymous
The storyboard also makes it seem like Octavia kills Stella or Andrelphus herself before going off on Stolas tho given the dialogue between them.
5 months ago
Anonymous
sequence of events seem to be something like IMP + Stolas are about to be killed or something to Octavia unlocks her magical potential and saves them presumably killing ether Stella or Andre to her calling Stolas out afterward and I guess more or less deciding she's better off without ether of her parents.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>deciding she's better off without either of them
Well, she is. They're both awful.
I'd be more curious if we'll finally see Goetian family politics kick in and see Paimon disown Stolas while properly crowning Octavia as the new bearer of the Grimoire but I know better than to think the show would get anywhere with any shit about punishments for abusing the Grimoire, embarrassing the Goetia name, or showing how Octavia is poised to be put in a similar position of suffering by being forced to marry a person who won't love her all because the family says so. Still would be really cool to see Octavia vent to grandpa about angry and sad Stolas made her and a mountain of shit fall upon Stolas' head that's been threatened beforehand.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Interesting thinking. Wishful thinking
Paimon's like, single character trait is not giving a shit about anything. He would brush her off saying he doesn't even TRY to keep track of his grandchildren and oh look there's something more important try coming by again in a thousand years or so
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don't believe it would be because he cares about what Octavia feels, I'd anticipate he isn't paying attention until it registers that Stolas was fricking around with the Grimoire and that's what brings those consequences finally down on Stolas' head, the fact Octavia basically tips Paimon off about it and gets him in that deep shit he was sweating over in Truth Seekers.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Nah yeah I get it
The whole thing that's stuck is WHAT consequences? So far the show has given no indication that someone is actually watching to see if demons occasionally leave to frick around on Earth, much less what the consequences are if they catch you doing it
It's less than a vague threat, it's the show trying to insist there's a threat at all despite every sign to the contrary
5 months ago
Anonymous
Stolas gets disowned at some point in the season, from the same leaks we see he's in much more simple clothes in the finale and his mansions been taken possesion of by Stella and Andre.
Octavia I think might just not want fricking anything to do with the Goetia's after everything.
5 months ago
Anonymous
huh, maybe these will be the consequences lol
5 months ago
Anonymous
The general gist I can get from what we've had leaked is Stolas get's Blitz but loses everything else in the process basically.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>The character who literally has no character besides lusting over some jackass ends up with that jackass
10/10 CHARACTER ARC
5 months ago
Anonymous
Would be great but I'm sure via will forgive stolas by the end of season 3 and say that she was being unreasonable because it's viv writing it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds just as likely that she vanishes from the show altogether. On brand for how Viv treats non-essential female characters and is basically where Octavia is already
5 months ago
Anonymous
Sometimes she literally vanishes female characters.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>finished product displayed
jesus christ how much more of this is there gonna be and how much fricking coping is there going to be that they "worked real hard on this" level defense are we gonna see be posted around here in January?
5 months ago
Anonymous
There's a pretty easy rebuttal for that, Hazbin is being animated by Bento Box instead of Spindlehorse. Combined with the fact this is now on Amazon Prime instead of free on Youtube, the indie excuse won't be able to cut it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I unironically expect Helluva to generally be the better looking show.
Say what you will about Spindlehorse but they've consistently put out better and cleaner animation every episode while Bento Box is... Bento Box and Hazbin Hotel is COMPLETELY out of their usual style.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I really don't understand why vivzie didn't just animate hazbin instead of helluva boss if it was her real passion, helluva visually looks much better than hazbin and even the hazbin pilot. Why the frick did she go with A24 and the guys who animated Paradise P.D. when she could have just used her existing animation team that makes more for less and gives her more creative control??
5 months ago
Anonymous
I mean you'd expect Spindles current stuff to look better than the Hazbin Pilot on average. The studio is more funded now and more importantly is much more experienced.
Ultimately I think she went to A24 partially cause
For me, it's Cherri.
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Most likely it's explicitly because Viv wanted a ton of big name Broadway folks, yeah there's some on Helluva Boss, but those are always secondary characters like Fizz and Ozzie, not the main cast.
funds for big VAs and partially cause she... still also wanted to do Helluva Boss and Spindlehorse probably isn't capable of doing both at once without a massive injection of funds to hire a frickton more.. everything.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Poor Vaggie, she just straight up gets vanished to the shadow realm
5 months ago
Anonymous
Oh almost inevitablely she'll end up forgiving him yeah. Via's crying the entire sequence she tells him off and seemingly just killed ether her mom or uncle so he could live. It's pretty obvious she's supposed to very much still love him despite it all.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly if that ends up happening and the show actually shows Stolas as a pathetic loser for throwing his entire life away in pursuit of lust and it's a bad ending for him, I could get behind it.
>Cares more about the childhood friend (Who he was with for a single day) than his own daughter.
Even if he and Blitzo knew each other for years, Stolas' priorities are so fricked. It's not just this music video either, both the two Octavia episodes have Stolas being massively sidetracked with Blitzo and neglecting his daughter, including when she's fricking missing.
Starts off singing about how he can give them anything. But realizes he will eventually have to let them go and be on their own. I'm thinking it's because Octavia becoming more of an adult. Nope gay sex again.
Also how does aging work again. Is she 17 years or 17,000 magical years old.
>Stolas AGAIN seems to care more about his imp frick toy than his own fricking daughter
She can't just catch a breath doesn't she?
I would take back every negative thing I've said about Vivzie if that was the twist ending.
>get angry at Stolas >get angry at Stella >go to Earth (again) >find love
What type of guy would she go for? Would she like a sadboi emo bf who's into the same weird music and fashion she's into? Personally I like to imagine she'd somehow find herself in love with a human version of Wander. Just a optimistic, genuine, happy-go-lucky Southern boy.
In the original song that you can find on YouTube they have lyrics talking about Octavia and what he's done to her because of the failing marriage. Viv and company removed those lmao
I'm dying, what the frick
If someone hasn't already, start pestering her on twitter for an explanation as to what the frick she was thinking doing this
Having some capacity for more composure and more viciousness with sharper words. Capable of composed displeasure more like Alucard from Hellsing but still have unsettling childishness in his behavior.
Friendly remind this isn't a new song made by VIvzie this was an original song by PARANOiD DJ that Vivzie decided to canonize but removed lyrics one of which was referecing Octavia >“Is this how’d she feel? Abandoned, all alone and left to fend for herself? For some semblance of happiness that doesn’t have to end?”
Showing Stolas worry about how the divorce is affecting her now IS JUST "WO IT'S ME I'M SO SAD MY LOW CLASS FRICKTOY DOESN'T LOVE ME"
Look, i’m not saying they can’t make Stolas sympathetic but it doesn’t feel organic, it feels emotionally manipulative if anything. Like: “Oh? You were upset with Stolas being selfish and neglectful? Well did you know he was abused as a child, and he’s abused by his wife and AND he’s sad and lonely and gay!?” Just frick off with all that
You really forget sometimes that this is supposed to be based off of an actual demon prince. If I was shown this with 0 context, I'd assume it's an original furry premise with 0 ties to hell or Christianity. It's really hard to give a shit about le forbidden lower class romance when Bee and Ozzie do the same with 0 problems. Not to mention, just lmao if this song was supposed to be about Octavia originally. The whole premise of this show was discarded in favor of "omg gay romance" and it really does speak volumes that Pilot Stolas was a raging butthole and that was promptly deemed not canon the longer the story ventured into "he innocent and soooo gay"
It conveys the whole celestial aspect of Stolas pretty well ( an aspect that is basically just aesthetic at this point) but yeah it just looks like a generic whimsical fantasy castle. Even the castle in beauty and the beast was more somber and threatening than this
Kinda like how they made Fizz a wuss compared to his season one self >Removed Fizz butthole traits now he's just a soft bottom and his brain because he went to greed ring a place full of kidnappings for ramson WITHOUT ANY BODYGUARDS >Makes the twins overly b***hy so that you can hate them ane cheer for Fizz(despite the fact they are gonna get abused like Fizz did there could have been a break circle of abuse but Vivzie hates woman) >Has a fricking scene with a mute kid who looks up to Fizz(A SEX WORKER WHO THE FIRST ACT IN THE CLOWN PAGEANT WAS JUMP IN CREAM WEARING A SEXY OUTFIT) and it's meant to be so heckin wholesome IF YOU DON"T LOVE FIZZ YOU ARE HORRIBLE
Oh my god don't even get me started in Fizz. I wanted him to rip Blitzo a new one and fricking hold his past against him like another Paranoid DJ song, but NOPE, fully forgiven!
while I think they rushed them forgiving each other, I do find DJ's song here to be a very accurate portrayal of Fizz's feelings to Blitzo before they made up
>Octavia hangs herself using a rope made of Holy material, so it actually kills her. >Leaves a suicide note blaming her parents for it. >Stolas feels bad until he meets with Blitzo again and immediately forgets about the fact he helped cause his daughter's death.
If you think this is silly, just remember Stolas almost immediately stopped looking for Octavia when she was missing on Earth to spend more time with Blitzo, and was never called out to his face for it.
>”Stolas almost immediately stopped looking for Octavia when she was missing on Earth to spend more time with Blitzo”
AND the whole time he was flirting with Blitzo even after they had a falling out, like how thirsty is this b***h?
Still waiting for the moment where Stolas finally comes in terms with the fact that deep down, he doesn't truly loves Octavia for being the living reminder of his 25 years of suffering with a b***h, and he actually cares more about his imp toy simply for viewing him as a way to relieve himself from his shitty marriage
Frick it Viv, might as well just go all the way at this point
That would be interesting writing, would make him more of an interesting character while also adding more depth to the story.
Of course, Viv would never allow a literal demon to do something so evil because >gay love
That's something that really bugs, me is this is supposed to be Hell. It's really brightly lit, might as well be an office in the human world.
The palace is in the pride ring, where sinners live. At what point, have we ever see sinners punished? True, there's extermination but that's because overpopulation and anyone is fair game. But it's literally just Detroit. Why isn't Alastor being punished for being a cannibal killer? No, instead, he's a super powerful overlord living it up with a smile.
Something from the start, I had to tell myself about this show is that humans get punished. But the demons punish them in shifts, and what were are watching is the demon world on the relax time. That humans whipping and boiling in oil is all happening off screen.
It's really hilarious actually how much of a shitty person Viv turned Stolas into and still tries to make us think he's actually "innocent".
He constantly hurts his daughter by negleting her for a imp that he only interacted with ONCE when he was a child and then he has the guts to act all innocent afterwards and pretends he's actually a good father, it's completely sociopathic actually
Something from the start, I had to tell myself about this show is that humans get punished. But the demons punish them in shifts, and what were are watching is the demon world on the relax time. That humans whipping and boiling in oil is all happening off screen.
You misunderstand that fundementally this show implies that hell is just where the societal heaven rejects went after not approving of heavens dictatorship. There is no punishment there neither for sinners or demons including the main cast of this show, because in Viv’s mind 90% of the sinners and demons there are not actually in the major wrong for anything beyond social indiscretions and shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions unless it conflicts with her (current year) political compass. It’s definitely born of the modern day individualist ‘it’s all society’s fault I am as I am, I dindu muffin, why do I have to change beyond just shallow actions when it’s everyone else who is pushing ME down’. See the leaks of Adam, Lucifer, and the angels like Sera with the context of Beezelbub and Ozzie and Mammon. They are the context that spell everything out for where the series is going and kinda imply Viv’s worldview based on those writing decisions.
Why is she so pathetic? What drove her to be this insecure about her own writing that she has to use someone else's project to still make a random jab at people?
Holy fricking kek! (Just ignore the fact this song wasn't made by Viv barring a few removed lines and minor word edits)
It's really hilarious actually how much of a shitty person Viv turned Stolas into and still tries to make us think he's actually "innocent".
He constantly hurts his daughter by negleting her for a imp that he only interacted with ONCE when he was a child and then he has the guts to act all innocent afterwards and pretends he's actually a good father, it's completely sociopathic actually
It would be one thing if Loo Loo Land served as him actually realizing he needed to pay more attention to his daughter, you know, like the entire fricking message of its final scene was, too bad Seeing Stars had him repeat the same fricking mistakes.
That episode actually would have been pretty good if instead of becoming wacky hijinks it showed how Stolas really took that lesson to heart, have Stolas still forget about star thing thanks to all the shit going on with Stella, but once Octavia goes missing he goes full dad mode and solely focuses on finding Octavia and nothing else, you could even make a point where he orders everyone to split up to search for her quicker and Stolas is on his own, proving that he is more than willing to put aside being around Blitzo if he even has a tiniest belief that his daughter might be in danger.
If the digital amazing circus manages to get 200.000.000 views before the years end of the month that means Goose achieved the double Vivzie did in muhc less time
And I hope it happens because it would be so funny
But it's not. It' not total trash, but the dialogue is awkward as hell and there's almost no flow to it. Characters will deliver blatant exposition apropos of nothing or reply to someone else with a complete non-sequitur, like the Jax-Ragatha exchange that goes
>J: "Heh! She still thinks this is a dream." >R: "Uh, why are you looking at me like that?" (he's not looking at her and even if he was her back is turned to him so how would she know) >J: "I'm fine with doing whatever."
Yeah some of the lines were awkward but the pilot did an okay job of setting up the world and introducing the characters, i think I’ve been so mind broken by Vivziepop’s writing I’ll take anything
If the digital amazing circus manages to get 200.000.000 views before the year ends that means Goose achieved the double Vivzie did in much less time
And I hope it happens because it would be so funny
>vivzie took a fan song and straight-up erased the original message to make it all about stolas instead of about the only family he cares about
It's one thing for her to disown the entire pilot while going "the current premise was ALWAYS the plan", but this is just stupid and needlessly petty. I can't believe I actually felt sympathy over her reaction to the TADC shitpost video.
The problem is that HB fans flip flop on what kids should and shouldn't watch. They don't want to admit that this "adult show" is actually more aimed at teens, so they don't want kids watching it, but also think it's perfectly fine for them to and you shouldn't judge the creators for embracing it.
>Viv covers a fan song >purposefully removes lyrics that reference Octavia to focus more on his gay obsession with Blitzo
This can’t be fricking real. It’s like something someone making fun of Viv would come up with
I've been in his position. Wanting someone but also wanting them to be happy even if they are not for you. It's a complicated emotional state. Cinemaphile can't appreciate this because none of them have ever had a relationship and if they have it was a disaster so they can only contextualize as 'More sad owl noises'.
>This song is basically Hellfire from the hunchback of notre dame except it portrays Frollo as innocent >The song is sang by a high class demon who obssess over a lower class imp to the point he spends more time flirting and having sex with his lower class imp that he ignore his daughter >Stolas and Blitzo don't even have scenes where they bond it's just sex Stolas acts like doesn't even know anything about Blitzo
Does he know the name of his daughter?
Does he know the name of his co workers?
Does he have things he likes to do in his free time?
Doesn't seem like it Stolas is just a creep portrayed as innocent and if you was in his position congrats you are a creep I was gonna say I hope you die but mother earth deserves better fertilizer
>This song is basically Hellfire from the hunchback of notre dame except it portrays Frollo as innocent >The song is sang by a high class demon who obssess over a lower class imp to the point he spends more time flirting and having sex with his lower class imp that he ignore his daughter >Stolas and Blitzo don't even have scenes where they bond it's just sex Stolas acts like doesn't even know anything about Blitzo
Does he know the name of his daughter?
Does he know the name of his co workers?
Does he have things he likes to do in his free time?
Doesn't seem like it Stolas is just a creep portrayed as innocent and if you was in his position congrats you are a creep I was gonna say I hope you die but mother earth deserves better fertilizer
Yeah, you definitly haven't had relationship before. Just an angry virgin, you might be a male virgin, a female virgin, or something inbetween. Sorry basic human emotions are inaccessable to you
>Wants to defend the ship but instead of briging up arguments just throws insults
Sorry education was inaccessable to you is not your fault sometimes morons are just born without a brain
Crazy how this is the best song that's official and it's a cover of a fan song. Sam Haft is such a hack he could get replaced by some amateur on YouTube.
NTA but has he come out and talked about it yet? I know he and Viv must have talked about it ahead of time and agreed to change the lyrics to remove the Octavia connection, but surely his own fans would have a problem with the blatant change .
I mean if I had to guess the song as it exist now is a bridge to the next episode so it's focused entirely around what's presumably going to happen in it (Stolas gives Blitz the Crystal and drama happens) while the original was effectively just Stolas angsting at some random time.
PARANOiD DJ go check him his songs are neat and charactize the characters better
Seriously just go listen to 'The Ringleader (Fizzarolli's Show)' is a banger
I feel like I got a listen into the universe where HB didn't become a terrible fanfiction parody of itself and now I'm disappointed. That die alone line goes so goddamn hard.
You kid, but I Imagine that boycott actually did a pretty good job at making Disney’s Wish fail. Lots of zoomers were going to see it until they found out Disney supports Israel
I honestly don't care. Stolas is just so boring now. Yeah, he is likeable I guess. To bad he is not interesting at all at this point. He is just le sad innocent owl saying how sad and in love he is. Why should I give a shit?
Yeah like Stolas and Stella completly hated each other but before the whole Stolas sleeing with an imp situation the two still shared the bed and one picture of loo loo land where Stolas and Stellas are smilling with octavia could have mean despite the two hating each other they still wanted be good parents to Octavia there is so much interesting stuff to explore there but NOPE Stellas is just a yaoi villain that makes the endgame looks bad so she's gotta go
I'll take that bet. It's very obvious that Viv ups Stella's evil level everytime she appears because she's still "too popular" with fans. Stella needs to be so cartoonishly hateful that she hasn't a single redeeming quality.
I'll take that bet. It's very obvious that Viv ups Stella's evil level everytime she appears because she's still "too popular" with fans. Stella needs to be so cartoonishly hateful that she hasn't a single redeeming quality.
That's the obvious progression. Try, try, try again to MAKE the audience hate a character. And when that fails, you shift gears and decide to pretend they simply don't exist
It doesn't even really require the "try to hate" part
In Loona's case she just skipped straight to being shoved in the no-lines corner
I don't think it's as spiteful as some people theorize (I've seen claims she hates Loona because the design came from someone else and she can't handle how outsized her popularity is in comparison to the rest)
I think it's just the same old symptom. Viv does not want to focus on much else than her gay ships, and she feels confident that she can survive without catering to Loonagays (at least, more than offering merch for furry paypigs to come running for) and dropped the facade of her being a real character
I was listening to a podcast of meatcanyon and flashgitz they talk about having a fan base to support via merch.
My problem with Viv merch, is it's basically sfw lewds. Like I would not be proud to walk around in a helluva boss T-shirt. Basically I masterbate to this character.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Vivziepop knows her fanbase is full of cookers, but similarly to you, I wouldn't want to buy a shirt because I wouldn't want to reveal my power level.
Viv shouldn’t have made Loona or Millie in the first place if she wasn’t going to use them. That’s the worst part about having a show made by a yaoigay. You have these interesting female characters but then they get sidelined by generic males. I’d argue Stolas is a far worse character than Loona even though the latter is supposed to be a b***hy teen. Like what’s his purpose beyond complaining about relationship troubles?
She just a b***h and feels like she just exists to make Blitzo seem more sympathetic
Not to mention to sell merch and make helluva boss actually popular because people recognize her more than any other character
I used to hate her but now I feel bad for her because the only time she felt like she was growing as a character was spring break and queen bee(too bad Blitzo had to be shoved in because gotta focus on the stoliz angst) and her voice actor
Her voice actor fiance died and she was griefing Hunicast raised a fundraiser for his funeral(Vivzie didn't donate a single cent)
>(Vivzie didn't donate a single cent)
Didn't she try and drop 5 grand on lackadaisy?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Oh you gonna love this one >She donated but not with her own money she used SPINDLEHORSE MONEY HER INDIE STUDIO basically she took 5 grand from her animators and voice actors money so that she could donate for something that didn't even needed more money
5 months ago
Anonymous
Damn, legally that would have been a disaster. Which is funny because lackadaisy talked about needed the money to properly pay animators and vouce actors. Talk about ironic.
>No way this is true >Be voice of insanely popular character >Husband dies and you need to cover funeral costs >Boss refuses to donate a single cent
Is there an actual source on this?
Viv's writing choice shenanigans are one thing but that's a little more slanderous than I'd care to have spread around without solid evidence
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah you are right my bad sorry I will clean things up
The charity event was for Christopher Ayres Chris' 7 month hospitalization created a host of medical bills that will be coming in for years. His cremation, current lease obligations and the price of two utility urns also added unexpected expenses
The charity hunicast had official voice actors from the pilot Michael Kovach,Krystal LaPorte and Krystal LaPorte people donates and the reward for donating were drawings requests and voice requests(voice requests were the voice actor saying some quote in whatever character they voiced Vivzie didn't donate and she didn't allow them to do Hazbin voice requests nor donations
The last point would just being absolutely sure she didn't get anything from Vivian or the studio behind the scenes in more private fashion
I'd really only feel quite right if Erica herself said so
This, for a character as widely popular as Loona. It feels like a shot in the foot for Vivzie not to shove her in more episodes. She’s easily what drives people to the show. Nobody other than fujocels like her care about Stolas, the clown dude and others. It was purely Blitzo, Moxxie, Millie and Loona that made Helluva Boss recognizable to normies.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Man give Stolas at least some credit.
He's always been more popular than Millie at least.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I searched up Helluva Boss merch and the first best selling items were this
And god that makes me even more sad I miss the found family that they had going on
>The man had a 9 ft tall big tiddy owl wife and decided to throw it all away for a nasty imp.
Well, you know he is...different right? it's not his fault
Like how Asmodeus said >Wooo! My dark lord, how the mighty do fall
You used to have a smoking wife, a kid, you had it all
I hope you didn't give it up so you and him could get it up
I don't think Blitzo has thought about Stolas once of his own volition these last 2 episodes so this video of Stolas b***hing and crying in his room because his man-crush won't notice him is highly amusing.
There are literally 100's of other imps he could frick like come on, he doesn't even have anything in common with Blitz aside from the fact he lost his anal virginity to him
Blitzo cares about none of Stolas hobbies or interest. He doesn't even seem to like having sex with as much as Stolas does. The most unrealistic thing about this show is that not a single person in Hell that hasn't woo'd the submissive, domesticated twink off his feet yet and rendered the entire Stolitz ship null at this point.
That ties into something I wanna say
I wouldn't mind Stolas being happy. The problem is how they've gone full Star Vs and hijacked the show with forgone relationshit drama despite the destined, nay, MANDATED conclusion being obvious
I'd be perfectly fine if Stolas met some other demon that's an equally huge geek and they lived together happily finally giving Octavia some fricking stability
But that's not what's gonna happen. We're going to keep circling this drama drain for however long it takes for this tub of fujo sludge to empty
And not just that >Moxxie basically took his backstory(homophobic dad no mom) the only difference is that angel has siblings and he's fully >Fizz took the character arc he will have in HH
Right now we already know how Angel's story is gonna play out
Yep, he’s gonna fall in love with someone which gives him the strength to have his girlboss moment and her fanbase ( who were probably writing rape fanfiction of him ) can onions out to what a gay icon he is.
I've said it before, but the worst part about Helluva Boss is that despite marketing itself as an adult show for adults, the writers are basically writing Spongebob with more cussing. I've been an adult for a few years now and I don't relate to any of this shit. So yeah, I'm just here for the hot demon designs atp
>He hasn't entered into a dubious prostitute-esque relationship with a waifish hell entity to gain access to dark sorcery to further his small business ambitions
ngmi
Aside from sex what does Stolas get from his relationship with Blitzo? The two of them don't have any meaningful conversations. Blitzo is just as cold as Stella(less so) is when it comes to interacting with him. What is Stolas seeing that no one else is?
Blitzø outside of work just wants to be away from Stolas. Outside of sex he never wants to be with him. I think do only date is because he had to take someone to Asmodues (which again if you listen to Verosika verse in the song, Blitzø is selfish)
Is crazy how much you can tell which characters the creators wants you dislike by how comically evil they are
But then again Vivzie is currently liking twitter posts that are meant to make Mammon seem more likeable while she is racist agains't people who have stella pfp and like stella so is not just bad writting is bordeline yaoi misogyny
My guess it's a portal stone to earth. Currently Blitzø uses Stolas Grimoire to get to earth. Aka the real reason Blitzø has sex with Stolas for.
If you love something set it free, bla bla
So the crystal he was asking Asmodeus for then
Isn't that basically the plot of seeing stars?
No
Because the fact Stolas spent however long fricking around in a studio fapping to Blitzo while Octavia was alone and that the fricking dog had to find and comfort her is not even brought up, much less something he's taken to task for
She's not used to getting this level of criticism and she can't handle it. Reminds me of a certain something going on somewhere in the world right now.
She got bullied too hard in the past so now she views everything as a personal attack. Kinda like how victims who become bullies can never be convinced that they're anything but victims.
Bigdad makes such good lewds, one of favorites now is when Moxxie was going down on Verosika and all the details were done just right. Her look of ecstasy and the thigh squish with Moxxie's head between them.
I have 0 faith that Vaggie and Charlie won't be overshadowed in HH, Vaggie barely had a character in the first pilot and the previews seem to imply she's managed to lose what little she had.
>the previews seem to imply she's managed to lose what little she had.
Tell me more, I haven't seen any of this newer stuff beyond Charlie's design update
I do like Viv understanding my appreciation for women's nice cheeks. Admittedly, the fish twins are at least confident and have a sense of erotic fun energy about them. Pretty much what Verosika was supposed to have but Viv can't even give us a gay/bi one that, while I don't like men, I can at least find their confidence engaging.
I'm not invested. I haven't watched a full episode in awhile. I'm mostly just here for Stella/Verosika/Millie pics and the delightfully devilish shitposting.
Though I did watched a comp of Mammon on Youtube recently and it was pretty funny. Its interesting how good this show can be when none of the shitty main characters show up.
>verosika returns >she's actually an incubus now >she transitioned off-screen cuz she was losing her touch as a celebrity succubus >mfw
If this doesn't start an all-out revolt in the fanbase, nothing will.
Too hard to make it not Blitzo's fault the relationship went to shit, she's not coming back.
Genuinely, I think that's why they don't talk about her anymore. Blitzo was /clearly/ in the wrong in their situation and no amount of damage control will change that.
Ironically I kind of thought some of this stuff from the get go, either she was a man and traded something significant to become a woman right down to the last cell and was heartbroken at Blitzo's betrayal and doubly ironic Blitzo is gay and Verosika changing sexes was actually what sealed the deal since Blitzo was already a piece of shit regardless.
Or Verosika was such a psychotic nutbag that even Blitzo was less unhinged and depraved in comparison to her, mirroring relationship dynamics with Stolas. I actually thought the second one would have fit the humorous tone better and let her keep the appeal qualities of being an attractive, depraved violent sex beast.
Unrelated but that gave me a chuckle remembering Poppy Opossum where the bird secretary is revealed to be trans and mentions that this other bird villain she was romantically involved with promptly no way gay'd her when she transitioned saying he wasn't attracted to women
Genuinely, I think that's why they don't talk about her anymore. Blitzo was /clearly/ in the wrong in their situation and no amount of damage control will change that.
I am only here to shitpost and watch Vivzieblart's downward spiral into insanity.
As an /x/gay, seeing how casually this show throws around the actual sigils of real demons like a fast food company throwing around their logo is laughably reckless. Combine that with the fact that she's depicting them as fudge-packing nymphomaniacs to an audience of millions and profiting off of it, and she's really just asking for trouble at that point. Fricking with Goetic demons is like fricking with nitroglycerin; you should only do it if you have protection and you absolutely know what you're doing, because otherwise it WILL blow up in your face and horribly mangle you.
can't say I believe in any of that stuff myself, but I kind of hope you're right purely because Vivzie making a show so bad it invokes the wrath of genuine demonic forces would be really fricking funny
I theorize that demonic forces green lit this show as an advertisement for their black magic. How else are you going to attract kids without bright colors and “zany” pos characters
>meant for adults
Isn’t written like it
Honestly, demonic forces aren’t going to cut off an appendage of their influence just because it’s “bad”, they’re fricking evil anyway.
Not really a moral person but they don't seem evil but just having an ego like a black hole. Extra planar beings are just incredibly selfish and are likely sculpting humanity to feed on our emotions like the Chaos Gods, so I am not worried about extinction with them shifting probability for their own amusement.
Love the song and the visuals but I can't muster any emotional response to it, it's quite sad because if it had been about Stolas and Octavia I'd probably have teared up. Feels like such wasted potential for it to be just about Stolitz…
>it had been about Stolas and Octavia I'd probably have teared up
Obviously I can't tell if you posted this before reading the rest of the thread but about that...
It's a fansong that.. always was. There was a single line referencing Octavia that weirdly isn't in this version. I think Addict was a similar situation. Fan Song the crew liked and decided to make official.
It's a bit weird because it's I think written in 2021 so with like only a handful of episodes of context and now has to be fit into canon post a season and a half of it tho.
Too bad, Octavia doesn't matter, she'll be discarded just like every other female character by Viv. Loona doesn't matter, Millie doesn't matter. Niffty won't matter, Cherri won't matter, Velvette won't matter. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that Vaggie and Charlie are too important to be shoved aside for what Viv REALLY only cares about, that being Yaoi bullshit, the overfocusing on Stolitz helped kill this show, and the overfocusing on HuskerDust will help kill Hazbin.
I have 0 faith that Vaggie and Charlie won't be overshadowed in HH, Vaggie barely had a character in the first pilot and the previews seem to imply she's managed to lose what little she had.
Hazbin Hotel was in development so long that if it turns out to be mediocre, a lot of people will just drop it and it likely won’t get a third season (second because shows are cut in half nowadays)
I really don't understand why vivzie didn't just animate hazbin instead of helluva boss if it was her real passion, helluva visually looks much better than hazbin and even the hazbin pilot. Why the frick did she go with A24 and the guys who animated Paradise P.D. when she could have just used her existing animation team that makes more for less and gives her more creative control??
Most likely it's explicitly because Viv wanted a ton of big name Broadway folks, yeah there's some on Helluva Boss, but those are always secondary characters like Fizz and Ozzie, not the main cast.
I wanna say they very conspicuously have Stolas drop a line about having stayed with his wife these (however many but that I believe is 18) years for the sake her her growing up with both parents
Also I think Stolas himself is only like, 30 somehow
I wanna say they very conspicuously have Stolas drop a line about having stayed with his wife these (however many but that I believe is 18) years for the sake her her growing up with both parents
Also I think Stolas himself is only like, 30 somehow
Plausible
Stella merch DOES indicate that she's got a fat ass and thighs, so it's a question of whether Tavi got her father's scrawny genes for life or she's just a late bloomer
Stolas is like The Whale in the oscar winning A24 film The Whale starring Brendan Fraser who plays a fat homosexual who destroyed his life and his family's to hook up with a suicidal twink. The film is just 2 hours documenting his histrionic struggle for "redemption" to his estranged daughter while ignoring that every decision leading up to his awful present was his own fault.
>Rogers is as funny and edgy as Helluva Boss SHOULD be. >Instead his main writing contributions seem to be the gay shit.
This is like the monkey's paw dimension where some fan who wished he was writing for an animated show got what they asked for.
Brandon Rogers written episodes are fine. He has done some of the show's best stuff. The problem is Adam Neylan, Vivzie's nepotism co-writer who can't write for shit and just cranks out Ao3 fanfic material.
I've seen a trend of people blaming Rogers but regardless of what you think of him, he's the least offensive of the three by far - and if you're stupid enough to think Vivzie is the talent behind any of the good early stuff then you are a moron.
I don't know anything about him, only that he is a hack. Even if he worked with Rogers before, I think that someone can be a good co-writer or idea springboard, but a bad lead writer.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Adam also tends to mock and insult anybody who likes that shark that was dating Moxie
It's bizarre how the hell show doesn't really have prominent, strongly masculine characters. Paimon or Vortex are maybe the most notable examples I can think of, but they don't play big roles in the story so far.
In a fairly lawless place you'd think it would encourage more shows of machismo or attempts at dominating through physical strength and literal manpower. Especially since the story's universe seems to be critiquing older and traditionally male-led power structures, which historically tend to proliferate in places where the government is weakest. Instead most of the male characters seem oddly effeminate.
Fizz got his balls snipped and while I want to like Crimson, he suffers from this constant trend in the cast of being too silly in his ineptitude despite trying to be passed off as a malevolent mob boss domestic abuser to act as Moxxie's more broken reflection.
Crimson is the most wasted character on the entire show. He is the closest character in the entire show to seeming like an actual threatening presence and they still manage to frick it up by making him too goofy and inept after his first appearance, which was fine and one of the only good S2 episodes. He would have been so easy to get right too, he's just a mafia dad who hates his son for leaving the business that's like the most generic backstory ever. The exact same thing happened to Striker too, he was menacing and competent but got turned into a total joke later.
Why do they keep doing this with villains? Who is even supposed to be the main bad guy? Striker and Stella have been turned into Team Rocket, Crimson doesn't even have a goal or connection to Moxxie anymore and is in the same boat, the DHORKs, Cherubs, and Verosika are completely MIA, Mammon is a complete b***h, are we supposed to be afraid of Paimon? He's been in it for like one minute in a bad flashback episode.
Crimson should be a smear on the floor
If Asmodeus was willing to square up against Mammon over Fizzaroli's job, he should have absolutely fricking murdered this fricking imp who actively put Fizz's life at risk
So what's gonna happen if Hazbin is just more of the same "frick frick frickity frick" humor but it gets mega popular like Invincible or The Boys, and rich kid gets her way again ?
I get the feeling there will be less swears in it over all, but what's gonna make it popular are scenes were someone crawls into a penis and explodes it. The Boys is popular with normies for the level of weird depraved shit it throws into it's episodes.
Hazbin doesn't have a plot that's any different from a Disney movie, and a bad Disney movie at that. It'll be like enduring 50 Shades of Grey but with a bigger budget because it's animated.
I liked Butcher's and Homelander's relationship and how Butcher is one of the few people not at all afraid of the Biden-Bush-Clinton allegory crossed with Brie Larson's Captain Marvel. His reason to hate Homelander with every fiber of his being and the sheer willpower to go through with it is the kind of frickyouatude that most modern shows lack. Especially modern feminist driven shit like this and RWBY, where having a main character have a fearless frickyouatude with genuine reasons for it and capacity for self-sacrifice without hesitancy.
Honest to god this show needs to be more Black Lagoon and Disgaea, the works it seems Viv unintentionally took from, and not the dipshit yaoi fanfics that Viv read instead.
SHUT THE FRICK UP ABOUT THE GUYS IN THE SHOW! Flizz's story is complete and now we still have to watch Stolas petty "love" story about 2 more hours. I just want Loona to have her own episode again.
I found it amusing how she was modeled after her voice actress as well. Mostly noticeable when she is a human. She was in RWBY as Robyn Hill and modeled after her as well but that was her worst character she played to date. Familiar of Zero's Louise was a b***h but at least was willing to put out and the story didn't take itself so seriously.
She was perfect for the voice, maybe some day I make my own knock off of this show but get the voice cast to be in it and it will have blackjack and hookers.
Something about the women in Helluva Boss just gives vibes that their favorite bedroom activity is cunnilingus. The aggressiveness and hartman hips strike me as being perfect for femdom which I hate how Viv hit my weakspot with a perfect bullseye.
I kind of would have liked to see Verosika actually interact with other people Blitzo knows besides just molesting Moxxie and giving Barb Wire the Asmodeus crystal.
Wow more depressing Fujo soap opera bullshit about this annoying pathetic gay owl obsessed with a smelly little pissy drunk with mommy issues. That's all this show is anymore. Depressing soap opera garbage. Oh look Stolas is gay and sad. What else is new?
This dude in particular seems to play with that bit. For what I can take from it, he tries to pander to both demonology; real life events and the show's canon.
5 months ago
Anonymous
eh, might be worth a read, cheers
5 months ago
Anonymous
Was it any good?
5 months ago
Anonymous
'The book' seems to be unfinished and focus on some weird 'octavia is actually stolas' mother' time travel thing that I did not care for.
However the first story in the series is fairly passable. Its mostly just Octavia and Stolas fricking with quite a lot of backstory so I'll likely finish reading it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Did you skip the prologue? it says Octavia is named after stolas' mother. So she's stolas' mom from which he will later name his daughter as such.
5 months ago
Anonymous
i skimmed it to get a general feel before I delved into it
if that's the case I might give it a proper chance once I've read the first two stories, which both seem pretty well written
5 months ago
Anonymous
I asked him on twitter; this is set in the past and will slowly explain all character's backstories, until reaching current times, etc.
This dude in particular seems to play with that bit. For what I can take from it, he tries to pander to both demonology; real life events and the show's canon.
personally i'm more of the opinion that stolas's musical numbers should sound more like this than anything, but that would require viv to develop an actual taste in music
>the closest thing to monogamy you can get with a Helluva Boss succ is her allowing you to be the only one who gets access to her pussy
I guess its similar to dating a porn star/prostitutes/stripper. That's just gotta be something you'd have to be alright with, as you knew what you were getting into.
I mean, unless a succubus needs to frick a lot of people to keep living you could be her solo provider of life force, there's also the possibility that's how she makes money, so again, you could be the breadwinner of the house, nothing stopping you making a honest woman out of her
SHUT THE FRICK UP ABOUT THE GUYS IN THE SHOW! Flizz's story is complete and now we still have to watch Stolas petty "love" story about 2 more hours. I just want Loona to have her own episode again.
>>no mention of Octavia
She’s a fricking prop. It’s disgusting how little she appears ever since season 2. I know Vivzie wants to make gay hell fiction now, but this is shameless.
I’m worried that writing for animation is going to tank from here
>the guy who made a video essay defending helluva boss that was praised by viv herself and cited by fans as the ultimate justification for the show is now currently the biggest joke on the face of the internet due to plagiarism, misogyny, and other bullshit.
Yeah, saw that. Biggest part of that video is his misogyny (along with all the plagiarism). >James Somerton for those who don't know.
Comments in that video about Helluva are specifically in contrast to his complaints about other fandoms or media where serial killers are praised and idolized by women. >(paraphrased) Women treat gay men as accessories that can be discarded. That is why they find attraction to films about Dahmer and Bundy
Every thing about Helluva invokes the same sort of fandom that serial killer fandom has, and it objectifies gay characters as emotional props.
Is he ok with it because the main author is a gay man and he completely ignores Viv's involvement in the series? Or is he completely happy with how the female characters in Helluva are so poorly written, that they're just all the screaming harpies he assumes women to be?
OR he got paid to promote this shitty show with a prewritten script that doesn't demonstrate that he's even watched a single episode?
Even ignoring Viv being a massive fujo. It's hilarious because Alastor is easily the most popular Hazbin character, even Viv has stated several times is her favorite.
Viv fits all the criteria of a toxic female that he has a history of hating and shitting on. (Never watched this videos but many other people are bringing up ALL instances of him being a woman hater).
I would go so far to say that Viv thought she was getting a "gay pass" by getting this guy to talk positively about her show. She can write all the horrible dumb shit she wants because she's got THIS GUY, who clearly has some notoriety, speaking favorably about her content. She can thank Hbomber for destroying that.
His video, "Bad Gays are Good" actually doesn't even address Helluva in the context of the video's subject matter. The thesis statement was "media needs more toxic gay people instead of happy friendly queers", and he uses Octavia crying about how much Stolas hates Stella as an example. This scene is only mentioned to praise how there aren't enough shows that talk about children dealing with divorce and that Helluva is a good show because of it.
My fat ass brother in christ, WHY would you use THAT to say the show does a good job representing GAYS? That is specifically a reason straights don't like people suddenly coming out as queer.
Vivienne Medrano (the creator) is a loose disgusting crazy insane prostitute.
Who is sad her horrible ways are rejected by most smart people.
Or usually those people might fall for it for a while, and then some months/while later realize they made a mistake being with her.
She thinks people should feel bad for her cause of it. >a demon lord of hell, vast power, vast money, sex >still crys cause some other crazy person doesn't trust them.
This is literally an allegory of how females or rich people complain how hard life is.
I just don't feel bad for this stupid bs.
These complainers are spoiled and should shut up.
HOW DARE YOU CARE FOR THE THINGS YOU LOVE AND FIND INTEREST IN.
newsflash gay, this happens in ALL fandoms, the fans like the content; they consume it; and if it tastes like shit they will say it. Not because they are haters, but because they know it can taste NOT like shit.
I at least have invested myself enough in the show and the fandom to feel entitled to complain about shit that drags it to the ground when it could be so much more.
And I'm invested enough in the world of cartoons no NOT want others to follow the same steps viv has because "fans will gobble it up".
HOW DARE YOU CARE FOR THE THINGS YOU LOVE AND FIND INTEREST IN.
newsflash gay, this happens in ALL fandoms, the fans like the content; they consume it; and if it tastes like shit they will say it. Not because they are haters, but because they know it can taste NOT like shit.
I at least have invested myself enough in the show and the fandom to feel entitled to complain about shit that drags it to the ground when it could be so much more.
And I'm invested enough in the world of cartoons no NOT want others to follow the same steps viv has because "fans will gobble it up".
I'm sorry that you thought this show would have any decent writing when literally none of the episodes in season 1 had anything resembling it. Let's face it, you just thought Stella's character design was hot and projected your own wishes onto her when she was a shallow b***h from day 1.
I love me some good gay furry content
This ain't it
Take Stolas and Blitzo's dynamic and make them an anthropomorphic dog and a raccoon and they're young adults set in some college town I would still be in the comments saying these gays are too damn gay
>Blitzo the Boss in the Pilot: I'm the boss and this my company. Now let's get some fricking clients and get this shit rolling! >Blitzo the Boss in the Show: My exes hate me, my sister hates me, my adopted daughter can't stand me, my best friend finally forgave me after years of resentment, and I just don't wanna take a chance with this owl guy. Oh hey Mox, in the middle of a client's job? Whatever, I've got broken relationships to mend...
If I wanted to torture myself with even more real-life drama after coming home from a thankless job, I'd just watch reruns of the Bold and the Beautiful on CBS. This show was supposed to be a fun escape from the bullshit and mediocrity of our everyday lives. Instead, it's just a reinforcement of that very thing. We've been had, Helluvagays.
>"s-she literally owes you n-nothing"
Any creator who puts their work out for the masses to behold owes us the most valuable commodity of all: time. And right now, she owes 11.12 * 10,000,000+, because all that time could have been spent on someone else's project that would have actually retained what people enjoyed from the pilot/teaser of said project. Now take your (You) and frick off back to TwiXer.
Thankfully no merch. It's kinda weird for any product to have merch before the product has proven to be something people wanted.
Look at Spamton. Only after he came out did they confirm he needed the merch he gets. A big flaw with Digital Circus is how it's got all this merch ready to buy, and it's just for the one pilot. What if the rest of the episodes don't pay off at all?
Gooseworks knew ADC was going to be big, so it paid off to have something ready.
This is a very common tactic to shame people into abandoning something they are disgruntled with to repress negative feedback and stopper conversation so that negativity can’t spread. Damage control shills are the worst pieces of shit to manifest on this site next to Twittards.
Not that anon but you really gotta stop outing yourself as a tumblr tourist. We all love ragging on Vivziepop for her cringe show but when people start virtue signaling like this it’s just embarrassing.
Not a single person living in Gaza gives a frick about this gay ass twitter drama or an apology from some random vivziegay.
the vivziepop critical community on tumblr is mind numbingly moronic. Which sucks bc there aren’t a lot of places outside of Cinemaphile that are willing to criticize this show.
The animation was cool as usual, singing wasn’t bad, But a lot of the imagery came off as cliche ( Like shit you’ve seen in countless anime ) and thus didn’t feel very memorable. I don’t see this reaching the heights of Addict which…for all its flaws was at least fun.
He’s enamored with a fantasy Blitzo that was a good friend to him as a child and gave him a happy memory, and became smitten with Blitz when he reappeared and swept him off his feet in a hot night of passionate rigorous sex. Blitzo’s take charge attitude is refreshing to him because hardly anyone treats him so blithely and it revs him up even more. Also apparently Blitzo’s dick game is strong as frick.
Now that said: >Stolas has never had satisfying sex in his life prior to Blitzo, thus can’t be an arbiter of how ‘good’ he is >Stolas ignores Blitzo’s blatant unpleasant nature and his uncomfortableness >Stolas does not understand Blitzo appeared only with intentions of robbing him on their reunion >Stolas does not internalize that Paimon literally bought Blitzo for him and it was not a situation where Blitzo wanted to hang out with the sad owl boy on his birthday, also Blitzo robs him blind
>How weird being hung up on one little childhood gay crush, did Stolas never get passed around as a teen as the secret gay orgiesin Goetia?
I think, that basically Stolas af Stella are just grown teenagers. That they got married young and force to have a baby and then just told to do his job.
Stolas never had that thing of dating around, or making mistakes, finding out what you truly want to do. His basically living a life lived by other people expectations.
The dick I guess, that's probably why Verosika has a tattoo with his name on it. Your guess is good as mine, gaygay
It is the massively indulgence of Viv and hopefully Rodgers was not having him as his author self-insert for this aspect. It is incredibly off putting he is supposed to have a huge knob when he keeps trying to find any opportunity to frick M&M and early on seemed far less concerned if they were wanting it.
>have a well designed, unique character >his mysterious nature, vast influence and extraordinary power level make him a perfect plot device, deus ex machina you can sprinkle from time to time >UUUUHHH ACTUALLY HE IS VERY VERY SUPER IN LOVE WITH MAIN CHARACTER AND WHOLE PLOT WILL NOW CENTER AROUND THEIR RELATION
Helluva Boss ended with episode 6. I'd rather die than recognize the wattpad tier bullshit that comes after.
This was a good video.
Not just for the animation but because I like watching Stolas suffer.
Based, I hate that shitty homosexual, I hated him from the moment I saw him in his very first episode showing up, and killed the show for me, it didn't help that the creator wanted to shove him almost constantly
Crazy how this is the best song that's official and it's a cover of a fan song. Sam Haft is such a hack he could get replaced by some amateur on YouTube.
>In a shitty marriage
>sleeps with some loser he met once when he was 7 or something
>hopelessly ‘in Love’
He’s just desperately jumping from one shitty relationship to the next, why is this portrayed as good?
Because they both have penises, so it's a brave stunning story about standing against the heteronormativity that exists in Hell where we never see it.
Shut up moron. Millie and Moxie are hetero and portrayed as very healthy.
Moxxie is bi, and has been turned into such a push over crossdressing homosexual that likes to be pegged by his wife (coff coff beard) that he's one step away of becoming the Angel Dust of HB
wait when has Moxxie NOT been the shows butt monkey though?
I think he just means Moxxie and Millie as a loving married couple.
gitwm
They're both bisexual crossdressers and both are only staying on to fight off their insecurities about fully transitioning.
And when’s the last time we saw them? Or Loona? Loona hasn’t had a line since last season. Viv is laser focused on the guys dicking each other and we can expect more of the same from HH.
Stella relationship was physically forced on him. I mean it's the one thing I can say about his marriage.
Stolas acts like he's alone but never thought to consider talking to his wife. I'm pretty damn sure she already knows.
Im not excusing Stolas, it's just obvious they both hate each other. Stolas now thinks he can escape his doomed relationship through Blitzo which is just not ideal.
>Never considered talking to his wife
The marriage has been going on for at least 17 years and Stella clearly seems too far gone for "just talking" before Blitz and Stolas started sleeping together.
What's the point?
These are aliens from another dimension, dont apply our standards to them. The Goetia have had arranged marriages longer than humams have existed.
That's distinctly untrue lol
Unless it's been said to be otherwise going off a biblical cosmology the basic concept of demons full stop are no older than Lucifer revolting, by which time humans should be a thing or nearly such
The devil is way older than humans he probably predates the big bang
According TO...?
Gods first creation meaning before the universe, its why fictional depictions of Lucifer can wipe their ass with the laws of physics as they are literally beyond physics.
wrong it's his childhood friend for some reason even when they met just once
True, true. The fact he hung on to that one interaction means he probably needs therapy.
>Nobility exploits a lower class imp for sex and creates a problematic power dynamic. But he doesn't like his wife
it's heckin' wholesome anon.
I was thinking the same thing. He can do way better than Blitz. Also, does Octavia not exist anymore? I also know he hates Stella but it seemed like he loves to hate her which was what made their marriage dysfuntionally perfect for demon characters in hell... until season 2 happened.
because that's how Vivzie thinks relationships work ig
>Octavia
getting off is more important than taking care of your biological children
It's nice
I don't like it, but a lot of work has been put into it and I can appreciate it.
Stolas has an unhealthy relationship with Blitzø, so in a way it's nice to see him do something about it. It's also disturbing how much of a pedestal he puts Blitzø (who I see as a piece of shit) on
I’d like for Stolas to realize that putting all his faith in one person to end his misery is wrong. but these two are obviously end game, right? Otherwise all that cutesy shippy merch becomes kind of awkward
I thought he was singing about Octavia at first and was swiftly disappointed.
I know right?
Starts off singing about how he can give them anything. But realizes he will eventually have to let them go and be on their own. I'm thinking it's because Octavia becoming more of an adult. Nope gay sex again.
Also how does aging work again. Is she 17 years or 17,000 magical years old.
In the original song that you can find on YouTube they have lyrics talking about Octavia and what he's done to her because of the failing marriage. Viv and company removed those lmao
Jesus
That's sad. Stolas actually acknowledging his relationship has consequences to his family.
In a small way kind of reminds me of Moral Orel in which, the Reverend Putty is lonely. Finds our he has a daughter at first is distraught of having a child minus the sex, but does learn to battle his loneliness by hanging out with his daughter.
Stolas still has a relationship with his daughter that he's frankly not taking advantage of. Hell, in her first episode he took her to an amusement for children because that's how long it's been since he paid attention to her.
Reverend Putty has the best arch.
Putty works because the writers aren’t desperately trying to make you feel bad for him.
Stolas would be a really interesting character if they portrayed his situation in a more objective, neutral light with both good and bad sides of it like with Reverend Putty. Instead it's just "look at how gay and sad our gay sad owl is, feel bad for him"
If he was a sexy girl you'd all eat it up
No, in that case most people would call her a filthy cheating prostitute.
>calling a girl who cheats/breaks up with an abusive husband a prostitute
Not a good look either
If she still keeps focusing more on her imp plaything than her child yes she is
Just like Stella who doesn't give a damn about her kid, but she's still beloved here.
Curious.
Stella isn't portrayed as a victim or in the right
Stella is barely portrayed at all
You are NOT very intelligent, well-homosexual
She isn't portrayed as a victim but you wish she was, considering how you're all defending her. Which is my point. If a character is female and has sex appeal she could be the most morally bankrupt character in the entire universe and get away with it.
No, it's a pretty simple matter actually
Stella IS a one dimensional b***h, and that just makes it easier to compartmentalize and ignore for fanon purposes
The prominence, and indeed INSISTENCE on Stolas' relationshit drama has the opposite effect
Oh I suppose you COULD cry about a double standard, but it's such a nothing comparison you would only really bother if you were a seething fujo
Maybe attempting to bait, but sincere fujoshit salt seems more likely
Anyway
>The prominence, and indeed INSISTENCE on Stolas' relationshit drama
That's the show.
And thus the show is bad
Circles n shit, homie
enjoy watching a bad show
In a cosmic sort of way, yes I do
We barely see Stella and Octavia interacting period hell I don't think we eve saw both talking in the same but that's not even a character thing that's how the show ignores them for the gays
Stolas just ignores his daughter and gives false hope
Man, Octavia is a late bloomer.
You really think all the chuds on Cinemaphile are going to defend a loose lesbian character who’s always shown to be the victim despite being a flaky neglectful mother.
Stella is the neglectful parent, not Stolas, who did all the parenting by himself. But god forbid Stolas slips a couple of times. Being so deep in divorce drama that you forget the date of your shooting star hangout is def more cruel and harmful than trying to kill your daddy.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with Stolas slipping up, but the writers of the show sure seem too. Instead of just letting Stolas be flawed they have to resort to the cheapest emotional tactics to get the audience to sympathize with him and that’s off putting.
This! Stolas is obnoxious because the writer’s favoritism is so obvious. He doesn’t even feel like a real character.
The show would have to focus on a female character for longer than 2 minutes without a male present, and that's far too much time for a show like this.
All I have to say is fricking lmao. Season 1 actually did a good job showing just how much Stolas was fricking up his family life. You can have both Stella be an abusive b***h you deserves to be discarded, but at the same time have Octavia suffer because Stolas can only concentrate on Blitzo. The ingredients are there, both Loo Loo Land and Seeing Stars have pointed this out, but unless it's actually paid off it means nothing.
In a completely different narrative these would be contributing factors to a kid turning into a villian from family trauma and neglect.
Bro…that’s so awful I actually laughed. Poor Via lmfao, no one gives a shit about her.
Based on the leaks, how Octavia being done with her father miserable ass and going to live with her mother is bad again?
The show has the chance to take a 180 and turn by having Octavia lash out at Stolas how he does nothing but acting sad and how she has to do something extreme like leaving alone putting herself in danger so that he father has to stop looking at his fricktoy who doesn't even like him
And of course have Blitzo agree with her
Too bad Vivzie is a fujo who has not grown up
Isn't that basically the plot of seeing stars?
I think what he's saying is there is a huge opportunity to develop Stolas if he was given a choice to choose between Blitz or Octavia. What would the outcome be and the consequences are things you can't take back.
Speaking of that leak, if that's really the end of the season you'd expect Octavia to be a more prominent character leading up to it. Is Gillbert Willow Weed expensive or something?
>Gilbert
Well, you made me look
Anyway, she IS Broadway material
>Hires expensive Broodway Actor that you can't afford for multiple episodes
>Makes the character they are voicing a recurring character
Wow she's already doing dumb decisions in Helluva Boss and worse ones in Hazbin Hotel huh
I Imagine they will probably have to change Moxxie’s actor eventually if Viv can no longer afford Richard Horowitz. He’s a union actor in a mostly non-union show. That shit is already expensive
>I Imagine they will probably have to change Moxxie’s actor eventually if Viv can no longer afford Richard Horowitz
>He thinks Fatziepop would recast Moxxie
Moxxie would probably remain quiet, and never utter a single word despite being part of a b-plot and get reduced to cameos, sound familiar?
Horvitz is in a unique position in that he's ALSO the voice director and I think some other stuff for the show. So he's not JUST doing VA Work (and is presumably being paid more because of that)
Maybe that would give Millie a chance at having a character that isn't 'Moxxie's wife who's good with melee weapons'.
What I'm I thinking? Viv will just put more Stolitz shit in to replace it.
I mean it's all relative on how much each actor is willing to work for.
IRC Fizzaroli, Stolas and Ozzie's VA's are all ALSO Broadway actors but obviously their willing to do this gig for whatever amount that their affordable as regulars/semi regulars.
This
Obviously I don't think Barret has spoken on the issue but who knows whether she's too pricey or it's Viv ignoring female characters whenever possible
If the finale leaks are right Octavia's mother dies and her father goes full impdick priority, making Octavia actually truly alone at that point. Fricking tragic. I don't know how the hell Vivzie is going to do outside capitalizing on everyone's observations that Octavia never seemed to notice/actively ignored Stella's abuse of Stolas and pushing it into a malicious conduct on Octavia's part, proving somehow she IS her mother's daughter.
Not that any writing implies Octavia is any iota as bad as Stella but all that matters is Stolas not being culpable of anything apparently.
>If the finale leaks are right Octavia's mother dies
I think the leaker said he wasn't sure if it was Stella or Andrealphus that died, just that one dies and the other gets away, I know that if Stella survives she will be written into more shit, but still, I want to live
When the finale happens and if Octavia ends up abandoning Stolas, the fandom is going to immediately turn on Via so hard it could cause whiplash.
from that leaked storyboard it's exactly what's going to happen
The storyboard also makes it seem like Octavia kills Stella or Andrelphus herself before going off on Stolas tho given the dialogue between them.
sequence of events seem to be something like IMP + Stolas are about to be killed or something to Octavia unlocks her magical potential and saves them presumably killing ether Stella or Andre to her calling Stolas out afterward and I guess more or less deciding she's better off without ether of her parents.
>deciding she's better off without either of them
Well, she is. They're both awful.
I'd be more curious if we'll finally see Goetian family politics kick in and see Paimon disown Stolas while properly crowning Octavia as the new bearer of the Grimoire but I know better than to think the show would get anywhere with any shit about punishments for abusing the Grimoire, embarrassing the Goetia name, or showing how Octavia is poised to be put in a similar position of suffering by being forced to marry a person who won't love her all because the family says so. Still would be really cool to see Octavia vent to grandpa about angry and sad Stolas made her and a mountain of shit fall upon Stolas' head that's been threatened beforehand.
Interesting thinking. Wishful thinking
Paimon's like, single character trait is not giving a shit about anything. He would brush her off saying he doesn't even TRY to keep track of his grandchildren and oh look there's something more important try coming by again in a thousand years or so
I don't believe it would be because he cares about what Octavia feels, I'd anticipate he isn't paying attention until it registers that Stolas was fricking around with the Grimoire and that's what brings those consequences finally down on Stolas' head, the fact Octavia basically tips Paimon off about it and gets him in that deep shit he was sweating over in Truth Seekers.
Nah yeah I get it
The whole thing that's stuck is WHAT consequences? So far the show has given no indication that someone is actually watching to see if demons occasionally leave to frick around on Earth, much less what the consequences are if they catch you doing it
It's less than a vague threat, it's the show trying to insist there's a threat at all despite every sign to the contrary
Stolas gets disowned at some point in the season, from the same leaks we see he's in much more simple clothes in the finale and his mansions been taken possesion of by Stella and Andre.
Octavia I think might just not want fricking anything to do with the Goetia's after everything.
huh, maybe these will be the consequences lol
The general gist I can get from what we've had leaked is Stolas get's Blitz but loses everything else in the process basically.
>The character who literally has no character besides lusting over some jackass ends up with that jackass
10/10 CHARACTER ARC
Would be great but I'm sure via will forgive stolas by the end of season 3 and say that she was being unreasonable because it's viv writing it.
Sounds just as likely that she vanishes from the show altogether. On brand for how Viv treats non-essential female characters and is basically where Octavia is already
Sometimes she literally vanishes female characters.
>finished product displayed
jesus christ how much more of this is there gonna be and how much fricking coping is there going to be that they "worked real hard on this" level defense are we gonna see be posted around here in January?
There's a pretty easy rebuttal for that, Hazbin is being animated by Bento Box instead of Spindlehorse. Combined with the fact this is now on Amazon Prime instead of free on Youtube, the indie excuse won't be able to cut it.
I unironically expect Helluva to generally be the better looking show.
Say what you will about Spindlehorse but they've consistently put out better and cleaner animation every episode while Bento Box is... Bento Box and Hazbin Hotel is COMPLETELY out of their usual style.
I really don't understand why vivzie didn't just animate hazbin instead of helluva boss if it was her real passion, helluva visually looks much better than hazbin and even the hazbin pilot. Why the frick did she go with A24 and the guys who animated Paradise P.D. when she could have just used her existing animation team that makes more for less and gives her more creative control??
I mean you'd expect Spindles current stuff to look better than the Hazbin Pilot on average. The studio is more funded now and more importantly is much more experienced.
Ultimately I think she went to A24 partially cause
funds for big VAs and partially cause she... still also wanted to do Helluva Boss and Spindlehorse probably isn't capable of doing both at once without a massive injection of funds to hire a frickton more.. everything.
Poor Vaggie, she just straight up gets vanished to the shadow realm
Oh almost inevitablely she'll end up forgiving him yeah. Via's crying the entire sequence she tells him off and seemingly just killed ether her mom or uncle so he could live. It's pretty obvious she's supposed to very much still love him despite it all.
Honestly if that ends up happening and the show actually shows Stolas as a pathetic loser for throwing his entire life away in pursuit of lust and it's a bad ending for him, I could get behind it.
I care
Me too!
They look cute together.
>Cares more about the childhood friend (Who he was with for a single day) than his own daughter.
Even if he and Blitzo knew each other for years, Stolas' priorities are so fricked. It's not just this music video either, both the two Octavia episodes have Stolas being massively sidetracked with Blitzo and neglecting his daughter, including when she's fricking missing.
Her dad is an inconsiderate deadbeat and her mom is a 1 dimensional disney villain. Can’t help but feel for her.
My guy is so dickwhipped and with a severe case of onebreasts but in this case would be considered onedick it's frickin pathetic
Right?
Aren't imps the lowest in hell. How do these Lords not have a harem of imps worshipping them? Even Moxxie dad seems to have sharks on lock.
Imps dicks are big and their asses are hella tight yo
>Stolas AGAIN seems to care more about his imp frick toy than his own fricking daughter
She can't just catch a breath doesn't she?
would be fun if she end up killing both Stollas, Stella and Blitzo
>get angry at Stolas
>get angry at Stella
>go to Earth (again)
>find love
I would take back every negative thing I've said about Vivzie if that was the twist ending.
What type of guy would she go for? Would she like a sadboi emo bf who's into the same weird music and fashion she's into? Personally I like to imagine she'd somehow find herself in love with a human version of Wander. Just a optimistic, genuine, happy-go-lucky Southern boy.
I'm dying, what the frick
If someone hasn't already, start pestering her on twitter for an explanation as to what the frick she was thinking doing this
Fricking same. But it as far as canon goes, nothing says his relationship with his daughter is rocky.
I miss pilot Stolas
I miss the stewie ass voice
me too, anon
Heh just seeing these line up. Perfect
I would've wanted the show to have this every episode somehow.
How things would have been if he were kept the same?
Having some capacity for more composure and more viciousness with sharper words. Capable of composed displeasure more like Alucard from Hellsing but still have unsettling childishness in his behavior.
Friendly remind this isn't a new song made by VIvzie this was an original song by PARANOiD DJ that Vivzie decided to canonize but removed lyrics one of which was referecing Octavia
>“Is this how’d she feel? Abandoned, all alone and left to fend for herself? For some semblance of happiness that doesn’t have to end?”
Showing Stolas worry about how the divorce is affecting her now IS JUST "WO IT'S ME I'M SO SAD MY LOW CLASS FRICKTOY DOESN'T LOVE ME"
Another change in the lyrics to make Stolas look more innocent than he is
Look, i’m not saying they can’t make Stolas sympathetic but it doesn’t feel organic, it feels emotionally manipulative if anything. Like: “Oh? You were upset with Stolas being selfish and neglectful? Well did you know he was abused as a child, and he’s abused by his wife and AND he’s sad and lonely and gay!?” Just frick off with all that
You really forget sometimes that this is supposed to be based off of an actual demon prince. If I was shown this with 0 context, I'd assume it's an original furry premise with 0 ties to hell or Christianity. It's really hard to give a shit about le forbidden lower class romance when Bee and Ozzie do the same with 0 problems. Not to mention, just lmao if this song was supposed to be about Octavia originally. The whole premise of this show was discarded in favor of "omg gay romance" and it really does speak volumes that Pilot Stolas was a raging butthole and that was promptly deemed not canon the longer the story ventured into "he innocent and soooo gay"
The funny thing is that Vivzie wrote Stolas as a worse person than he actually is
That's something that really bugs, me is this is supposed to be Hell. It's really brightly lit, might as well be an office in the human world.
It conveys the whole celestial aspect of Stolas pretty well ( an aspect that is basically just aesthetic at this point) but yeah it just looks like a generic whimsical fantasy castle. Even the castle in beauty and the beast was more somber and threatening than this
Kinda like how they made Fizz a wuss compared to his season one self
>Removed Fizz butthole traits now he's just a soft bottom and his brain because he went to greed ring a place full of kidnappings for ramson WITHOUT ANY BODYGUARDS
>Makes the twins overly b***hy so that you can hate them ane cheer for Fizz(despite the fact they are gonna get abused like Fizz did there could have been a break circle of abuse but Vivzie hates woman)
>Has a fricking scene with a mute kid who looks up to Fizz(A SEX WORKER WHO THE FIRST ACT IN THE CLOWN PAGEANT WAS JUMP IN CREAM WEARING A SEXY OUTFIT) and it's meant to be so heckin wholesome IF YOU DON"T LOVE FIZZ YOU ARE HORRIBLE
Oh my god don't even get me started in Fizz. I wanted him to rip Blitzo a new one and fricking hold his past against him like another Paranoid DJ song, but NOPE, fully forgiven!
while I think they rushed them forgiving each other, I do find DJ's song here to be a very accurate portrayal of Fizz's feelings to Blitzo before they made up
i liek the sad gay owl
Viv ehen you tell her you don't like Stolas and Blitz relationship.
>Octavia hangs herself using a rope made of Holy material, so it actually kills her.
>Leaves a suicide note blaming her parents for it.
>Stolas feels bad until he meets with Blitzo again and immediately forgets about the fact he helped cause his daughter's death.
If you think this is silly, just remember Stolas almost immediately stopped looking for Octavia when she was missing on Earth to spend more time with Blitzo, and was never called out to his face for it.
>”Stolas almost immediately stopped looking for Octavia when she was missing on Earth to spend more time with Blitzo”
AND the whole time he was flirting with Blitzo even after they had a falling out, like how thirsty is this b***h?
If anyone deserved a kick in the balls from Loona was Stolas .. not like theres much to damage anyways
Still waiting for the moment where Stolas finally comes in terms with the fact that deep down, he doesn't truly loves Octavia for being the living reminder of his 25 years of suffering with a b***h, and he actually cares more about his imp toy simply for viewing him as a way to relieve himself from his shitty marriage
Frick it Viv, might as well just go all the way at this point
The only comfort i have is Via won’t get ruined like Stolas and Fizz because that would require Vivz giving a frick about her
That would be interesting writing, would make him more of an interesting character while also adding more depth to the story.
Of course, Viv would never allow a literal demon to do something so evil because >gay love
The palace is in the pride ring, where sinners live. At what point, have we ever see sinners punished? True, there's extermination but that's because overpopulation and anyone is fair game. But it's literally just Detroit. Why isn't Alastor being punished for being a cannibal killer? No, instead, he's a super powerful overlord living it up with a smile.
Something from the start, I had to tell myself about this show is that humans get punished. But the demons punish them in shifts, and what were are watching is the demon world on the relax time. That humans whipping and boiling in oil is all happening off screen.
It's really hilarious actually how much of a shitty person Viv turned Stolas into and still tries to make us think he's actually "innocent".
He constantly hurts his daughter by negleting her for a imp that he only interacted with ONCE when he was a child and then he has the guts to act all innocent afterwards and pretends he's actually a good father, it's completely sociopathic actually
You misunderstand that fundementally this show implies that hell is just where the societal heaven rejects went after not approving of heavens dictatorship. There is no punishment there neither for sinners or demons including the main cast of this show, because in Viv’s mind 90% of the sinners and demons there are not actually in the major wrong for anything beyond social indiscretions and shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions unless it conflicts with her (current year) political compass. It’s definitely born of the modern day individualist ‘it’s all society’s fault I am as I am, I dindu muffin, why do I have to change beyond just shallow actions when it’s everyone else who is pushing ME down’. See the leaks of Adam, Lucifer, and the angels like Sera with the context of Beezelbub and Ozzie and Mammon. They are the context that spell everything out for where the series is going and kinda imply Viv’s worldview based on those writing decisions.
Rent free.
Why is she so pathetic? What drove her to be this insecure about her own writing that she has to use someone else's project to still make a random jab at people?
>Rich and spoiled
>Got popular as a teenager on DA and tumblr and never had to emotionally mature.
This is what happens when you’re spoiled by your rich grandparents.
That’s because Viv didn’t write it, how is this an own?
ahahaha that's fricking PATHETIC
Holy fricking kek! (Just ignore the fact this song wasn't made by Viv barring a few removed lines and minor word edits)
It would be one thing if Loo Loo Land served as him actually realizing he needed to pay more attention to his daughter, you know, like the entire fricking message of its final scene was, too bad Seeing Stars had him repeat the same fricking mistakes.
That episode actually would have been pretty good if instead of becoming wacky hijinks it showed how Stolas really took that lesson to heart, have Stolas still forget about star thing thanks to all the shit going on with Stella, but once Octavia goes missing he goes full dad mode and solely focuses on finding Octavia and nothing else, you could even make a point where he orders everyone to split up to search for her quicker and Stolas is on his own, proving that he is more than willing to put aside being around Blitzo if he even has a tiniest belief that his daughter might be in danger.
Sorry Viv, but we are not your b***hes.
If the digital amazing circus manages to get 200.000.000 views before the years end of the month that means Goose achieved the double Vivzie did in muhc less time
And I hope it happens because it would be so funny
All ADC had to do was be competently written to win me over.
But it's not. It' not total trash, but the dialogue is awkward as hell and there's almost no flow to it. Characters will deliver blatant exposition apropos of nothing or reply to someone else with a complete non-sequitur, like the Jax-Ragatha exchange that goes
>J: "Heh! She still thinks this is a dream."
>R: "Uh, why are you looking at me like that?" (he's not looking at her and even if he was her back is turned to him so how would she know)
>J: "I'm fine with doing whatever."
Yeah some of the lines were awkward but the pilot did an okay job of setting up the world and introducing the characters, i think I’ve been so mind broken by Vivziepop’s writing I’ll take anything
If the digital amazing circus manages to get 200.000.000 views before the year ends that means Goose achieved the double Vivzie did in much less time
And I hope it happens because it would be so funny
Which has chance to do since the pilot already has dubs for other languages for a larger audience
Is there a Japanese dub and french dub?
No french dub but there is a japanese dub
je suis déçu.
you're language is not real
>Constant obsessive threads about how much we hate Viv
>"Lol we're living rent free inside her head!"
how's that glass house, anon?
Damn that's petty.
mindbroken
>vivzie took a fan song and straight-up erased the original message to make it all about stolas instead of about the only family he cares about
It's one thing for her to disown the entire pilot while going "the current premise was ALWAYS the plan", but this is just stupid and needlessly petty. I can't believe I actually felt sympathy over her reaction to the TADC shitpost video.
It's sad that alot of young kigs got into this show they could have watched something actually worth watching
Not joking btw and Helluva Boss fans defend this shit
I mean, it’s not ideal to have your kids watch this sort of show but the pearl clutching is a little cringe.
There’s other things worth poking fun at.
The problem is that HB fans flip flop on what kids should and shouldn't watch. They don't want to admit that this "adult show" is actually more aimed at teens, so they don't want kids watching it, but also think it's perfectly fine for them to and you shouldn't judge the creators for embracing it.
Okay, yeah, I can see that.
>actually worth watching
like what genius? what is ""worth"" by you?
Nta but pretty much anything else.
Being Octavia is suffering
>Viv covers a fan song
>purposefully removes lyrics that reference Octavia to focus more on his gay obsession with Blitzo
This can’t be fricking real. It’s like something someone making fun of Viv would come up with
Yeah well frick Octavia! She shouldn’t have been a female character if she wanted attention.
I've been in his position. Wanting someone but also wanting them to be happy even if they are not for you. It's a complicated emotional state. Cinemaphile can't appreciate this because none of them have ever had a relationship and if they have it was a disaster so they can only contextualize as 'More sad owl noises'.
>This song is basically Hellfire from the hunchback of notre dame except it portrays Frollo as innocent
>The song is sang by a high class demon who obssess over a lower class imp to the point he spends more time flirting and having sex with his lower class imp that he ignore his daughter
>Stolas and Blitzo don't even have scenes where they bond it's just sex Stolas acts like doesn't even know anything about Blitzo
Does he know the name of his daughter?
Does he know the name of his co workers?
Does he have things he likes to do in his free time?
Doesn't seem like it Stolas is just a creep portrayed as innocent and if you was in his position congrats you are a creep I was gonna say I hope you die but mother earth deserves better fertilizer
This relationship is obviously unstable but is hyped up as end game. Can you not see the problem?
drama is built on problems you moron.
Yeah, you definitly haven't had relationship before. Just an angry virgin, you might be a male virgin, a female virgin, or something inbetween. Sorry basic human emotions are inaccessable to you
>I can relate to being an obsessive creep who puts people on pedestals.
Cool, go get that BPD checked out.
>Wants to defend the ship but instead of briging up arguments just throws insults
Sorry education was inaccessable to you is not your fault sometimes morons are just born without a brain
>supporting genocide
From the river to the sea!
OH FRICK MY BAD I MEANT you get to support palestine and give a middle finger to vivzie god my moron ass
>Song is actually pretty good
>Turns out Viv didn’t actually write it, it was done by someone else
I Imagine if she wrote it, it wouldn’t be remotely as beautiful. A latnix butterball like her would probably make it into a Hot Topic shitfest.
Anyone know the songwriter?
Paranoid DJ Man
NTA but has he come out and talked about it yet? I know he and Viv must have talked about it ahead of time and agreed to change the lyrics to remove the Octavia connection, but surely his own fans would have a problem with the blatant change .
I mean if I had to guess the song as it exist now is a bridge to the next episode so it's focused entirely around what's presumably going to happen in it (Stolas gives Blitz the Crystal and drama happens) while the original was effectively just Stolas angsting at some random time.
He was involved in this updated version. Tweeted about how cool it was to work directly with Bryce on it.
Well okay then. Guess we're the only ones who give a shit about Octavia then.
PARANOiD DJ go check him his songs are neat and charactize the characters better
Seriously just go listen to 'The Ringleader (Fizzarolli's Show)' is a banger
Seriously this song portrayed Fizzarolli so much better than
I feel like I got a listen into the universe where HB didn't become a terrible fanfiction parody of itself and now I'm disappointed. That die alone line goes so goddamn hard.
Damn that shit slaps hard. Much better than the "Frick You" song he sang to Mammon. Better than most of the songs in the show honestly.
You kid, but I Imagine that boycott actually did a pretty good job at making Disney’s Wish fail. Lots of zoomers were going to see it until they found out Disney supports Israel
>i-if you don't support this artist's work that may end up prolonging a war, y-you're just a monster
God, please, just kill us already.
I honestly don't care. Stolas is just so boring now. Yeah, he is likeable I guess. To bad he is not interesting at all at this point. He is just le sad innocent owl saying how sad and in love he is. Why should I give a shit?
Someone told Vivziepop’s discord that there was a thread shitting on her gay owl woobie and now we have to suffer the stolas defenders.
It’s amazing how much Stolas ruined the show the more he became a prominent character. A weepy homosexual Owl crying about how his relationship sucks.
His life is fricking idyllic but we're being told to feel sorry for him.
Yeah like Stolas and Stella completly hated each other but before the whole Stolas sleeing with an imp situation the two still shared the bed and one picture of loo loo land where Stolas and Stellas are smilling with octavia could have mean despite the two hating each other they still wanted be good parents to Octavia there is so much interesting stuff to explore there but NOPE Stellas is just a yaoi villain that makes the endgame looks bad so she's gotta go
By the way how much money you bet Vivzie wrote Stella saying "I love tormenting you" because alot of people found her sympathetic?
I'll take that bet. It's very obvious that Viv ups Stella's evil level everytime she appears because she's still "too popular" with fans. Stella needs to be so cartoonishly hateful that she hasn't a single redeeming quality.
That's the obvious progression. Try, try, try again to MAKE the audience hate a character. And when that fails, you shift gears and decide to pretend they simply don't exist
It doesn't even really require the "try to hate" part
In Loona's case she just skipped straight to being shoved in the no-lines corner
She'll still keep that merch flowing tho
what exactly is her problem with Loona? i truly do not get it.
I don't think it's as spiteful as some people theorize (I've seen claims she hates Loona because the design came from someone else and she can't handle how outsized her popularity is in comparison to the rest)
I think it's just the same old symptom. Viv does not want to focus on much else than her gay ships, and she feels confident that she can survive without catering to Loonagays (at least, more than offering merch for furry paypigs to come running for) and dropped the facade of her being a real character
I was listening to a podcast of meatcanyon and flashgitz they talk about having a fan base to support via merch.
My problem with Viv merch, is it's basically sfw lewds. Like I would not be proud to walk around in a helluva boss T-shirt. Basically I masterbate to this character.
Vivziepop knows her fanbase is full of cookers, but similarly to you, I wouldn't want to buy a shirt because I wouldn't want to reveal my power level.
*Coomers
Stupid autocorrect.
Viv shouldn’t have made Loona or Millie in the first place if she wasn’t going to use them. That’s the worst part about having a show made by a yaoigay. You have these interesting female characters but then they get sidelined by generic males. I’d argue Stolas is a far worse character than Loona even though the latter is supposed to be a b***hy teen. Like what’s his purpose beyond complaining about relationship troubles?
I've seen no evidence that she got the design of loona from someone else.
She just a b***h and feels like she just exists to make Blitzo seem more sympathetic
Not to mention to sell merch and make helluva boss actually popular because people recognize her more than any other character
I used to hate her but now I feel bad for her because the only time she felt like she was growing as a character was spring break and queen bee(too bad Blitzo had to be shoved in because gotta focus on the stoliz angst) and her voice actor
Her voice actor fiance died and she was griefing Hunicast raised a fundraiser for his funeral(Vivzie didn't donate a single cent)
>(Vivzie didn't donate a single cent)
Didn't she try and drop 5 grand on lackadaisy?
Oh you gonna love this one
>She donated but not with her own money she used SPINDLEHORSE MONEY HER INDIE STUDIO basically she took 5 grand from her animators and voice actors money so that she could donate for something that didn't even needed more money
Damn, legally that would have been a disaster. Which is funny because lackadaisy talked about needed the money to properly pay animators and vouce actors. Talk about ironic.
>No way this is true
>Be voice of insanely popular character
>Husband dies and you need to cover funeral costs
>Boss refuses to donate a single cent
Is there an actual source on this?
Viv's writing choice shenanigans are one thing but that's a little more slanderous than I'd care to have spread around without solid evidence
Yeah you are right my bad sorry I will clean things up
The charity event was for Christopher Ayres Chris' 7 month hospitalization created a host of medical bills that will be coming in for years. His cremation, current lease obligations and the price of two utility urns also added unexpected expenses
The charity hunicast had official voice actors from the pilot Michael Kovach,Krystal LaPorte and Krystal LaPorte people donates and the reward for donating were drawings requests and voice requests(voice requests were the voice actor saying some quote in whatever character they voiced Vivzie didn't donate and she didn't allow them to do Hazbin voice requests nor donations
Source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCWwusv_9U
The last point would just being absolutely sure she didn't get anything from Vivian or the studio behind the scenes in more private fashion
I'd really only feel quite right if Erica herself said so
This, for a character as widely popular as Loona. It feels like a shot in the foot for Vivzie not to shove her in more episodes. She’s easily what drives people to the show. Nobody other than fujocels like her care about Stolas, the clown dude and others. It was purely Blitzo, Moxxie, Millie and Loona that made Helluva Boss recognizable to normies.
Man give Stolas at least some credit.
He's always been more popular than Millie at least.
I searched up Helluva Boss merch and the first best selling items were this
And god that makes me even more sad I miss the found family that they had going on
Damn, she's even bigger than Stolas. The man had a 9 ft tall big tiddy owl wife and decided to throw it all away for a nasty imp.
>The man had a 9 ft tall big tiddy owl wife and decided to throw it all away for a nasty imp.
Well, you know he is...different right? it's not his fault
Maybe if Stella bought a Strap-on she could have made Stolas stop thinking about Blitzo by pegging the sad gay out of him
Like how Asmodeus said
>Wooo! My dark lord, how the mighty do fall
You used to have a smoking wife, a kid, you had it all
I hope you didn't give it up so you and him could get it up
I miss when Ozzie was cool for exactly one episode.
I don't think Blitzo has thought about Stolas once of his own volition these last 2 episodes so this video of Stolas b***hing and crying in his room because his man-crush won't notice him is highly amusing.
There are literally 100's of other imps he could frick like come on, he doesn't even have anything in common with Blitz aside from the fact he lost his anal virginity to him
Blitzo cares about none of Stolas hobbies or interest. He doesn't even seem to like having sex with as much as Stolas does. The most unrealistic thing about this show is that not a single person in Hell that hasn't woo'd the submissive, domesticated twink off his feet yet and rendered the entire Stolitz ship null at this point.
That ties into something I wanna say
I wouldn't mind Stolas being happy. The problem is how they've gone full Star Vs and hijacked the show with forgone relationshit drama despite the destined, nay, MANDATED conclusion being obvious
I'd be perfectly fine if Stolas met some other demon that's an equally huge geek and they lived together happily finally giving Octavia some fricking stability
But that's not what's gonna happen. We're going to keep circling this drama drain for however long it takes for this tub of fujo sludge to empty
You can tell the favorite characters based on who suddenly gets hit with a sappy backstory and is reduced to a whiny pitiful c**t.
I'm still flabbergasted that Fizzaroli got two (2) episodes in a row dedicated to his sappy ass backstory.
And Barbie BLITZO'S TWIN SISTER SOMEONE HE SPEND MOST OF HIS LIFE WITH had no build up ever and she was removed from the burning circus flashback
Im not as pissed about her removal as other’s seem to but damn…couldn’t even have a small cameo lmfao.
I want my grimy little bastard back, now he’s angel dust 2.0.
And not just that
>Moxxie basically took his backstory(homophobic dad no mom) the only difference is that angel has siblings and he's fully
>Fizz took the character arc he will have in HH
Right now we already know how Angel's story is gonna play out
Yep, he’s gonna fall in love with someone which gives him the strength to have his girlboss moment and her fanbase ( who were probably writing rape fanfiction of him ) can onions out to what a gay icon he is.
I can’t say S 0 Y
Damn it Cinemaphile, this is my first and only time using that word.
I want him to be killed, he’s annoying as shit
Fizzaroli is more of a main character at this point than Millie.
This
Background episode, tied to MC
Episode exploring deep fear and trauma
More songs
Even a more supportive boyfriend
I've said it before, but the worst part about Helluva Boss is that despite marketing itself as an adult show for adults, the writers are basically writing Spongebob with more cussing. I've been an adult for a few years now and I don't relate to any of this shit. So yeah, I'm just here for the hot demon designs atp
>He hasn't entered into a dubious prostitute-esque relationship with a waifish hell entity to gain access to dark sorcery to further his small business ambitions
ngmi
Well if you've got any helpful suggestions
Spongebob has way more mature writing than this shit
Aside from sex what does Stolas get from his relationship with Blitzo? The two of them don't have any meaningful conversations. Blitzo is just as cold as Stella(less so) is when it comes to interacting with him. What is Stolas seeing that no one else is?
Blitzø outside of work just wants to be away from Stolas. Outside of sex he never wants to be with him. I think do only date is because he had to take someone to Asmodues (which again if you listen to Verosika verse in the song, Blitzø is selfish)
Is crazy how much you can tell which characters the creators wants you dislike by how comically evil they are
But then again Vivzie is currently liking twitter posts that are meant to make Mammon seem more likeable while she is racist agains't people who have stella pfp and like stella so is not just bad writting is bordeline yaoi misogyny
Vivziepop is so audience captured, she wouldn’t have any ideas on where to take the show if it weren’t for her equally terminally online fan base
What was this stone supposed to represent? I’m not even being snarky, I genuinely didn’t get it
My guess it's a portal stone to earth. Currently Blitzø uses Stolas Grimoire to get to earth. Aka the real reason Blitzø has sex with Stolas for.
If you love something set it free, bla bla
Oh okay, it’s a gift meant for Blitz, got it.
So the crystal he was asking Asmodeus for then
No
Because the fact Stolas spent however long fricking around in a studio fapping to Blitzo while Octavia was alone and that the fricking dog had to find and comfort her is not even brought up, much less something he's taken to task for
Octavia my beloved...
Grown up Octavia!
I don't see Loona wearing a skirt, but that's cool
these tweets get more likes, retweets and interaction than the actual HB content
She's not used to getting this level of criticism and she can't handle it. Reminds me of a certain something going on somewhere in the world right now.
She got bullied too hard in the past so now she views everything as a personal attack. Kinda like how victims who become bullies can never be convinced that they're anything but victims.
Bigdad makes such good lewds, one of favorites now is when Moxxie was going down on Verosika and all the details were done just right. Her look of ecstasy and the thigh squish with Moxxie's head between them.
why are people still invested in this? at this point you know what you're going to get, but you keep hoping it will be something different
It's like watching a train wreck, it's so bad. And as a "professional", watching Vivziepop melt down is hilarious.
It's still consistently getting views. Her fans are laying in wait to give Hazbin great reviews. So it's not a trainwreck yet.
While I don't like the direction the show taking, there's still yhings to be liked.
Mmm fish boobas
Fish with breastsh
Titty fish
>the previews seem to imply she's managed to lose what little she had.
Tell me more, I haven't seen any of this newer stuff beyond Charlie's design update
Agreed
I do like Viv understanding my appreciation for women's nice cheeks. Admittedly, the fish twins are at least confident and have a sense of erotic fun energy about them. Pretty much what Verosika was supposed to have but Viv can't even give us a gay/bi one that, while I don't like men, I can at least find their confidence engaging.
All less desirable than Fizzarolli how does he achieve this
Shut up Ozzie
I would unironically bet my money on a fat greedy Aussie c**t over some big gay fujo.
Angel comes seconds I would assume
Angel will obviously leave the hoe life for Husk
TOTAL SPIDER DEATH
I could understand House of Asmodeus Fizz but season 2 he was neutered with a chainsaw, sadly Blitzo has not been neutered yet much to my chagrin.
I'm not invested. I haven't watched a full episode in awhile. I'm mostly just here for Stella/Verosika/Millie pics and the delightfully devilish shitposting.
Though I did watched a comp of Mammon on Youtube recently and it was pretty funny. Its interesting how good this show can be when none of the shitty main characters show up.
I'm just waiting for Verosika and the Cherubs to come back
>verosika returns
>she's actually an incubus now
>she transitioned off-screen cuz she was losing her touch as a celebrity succubus
>mfw
If this doesn't start an all-out revolt in the fanbase, nothing will.
I'm pretty sure the thing that will case a revolt will be if Moxxie and Millie seperate/get divorced.
Ironically I kind of thought some of this stuff from the get go, either she was a man and traded something significant to become a woman right down to the last cell and was heartbroken at Blitzo's betrayal and doubly ironic Blitzo is gay and Verosika changing sexes was actually what sealed the deal since Blitzo was already a piece of shit regardless.
Or Verosika was such a psychotic nutbag that even Blitzo was less unhinged and depraved in comparison to her, mirroring relationship dynamics with Stolas. I actually thought the second one would have fit the humorous tone better and let her keep the appeal qualities of being an attractive, depraved violent sex beast.
Unrelated but that gave me a chuckle remembering Poppy Opossum where the bird secretary is revealed to be trans and mentions that this other bird villain she was romantically involved with promptly no way gay'd her when she transitioned saying he wasn't attracted to women
Too hard to make it not Blitzo's fault the relationship went to shit, she's not coming back.
Genuinely, I think that's why they don't talk about her anymore. Blitzo was /clearly/ in the wrong in their situation and no amount of damage control will change that.
I am only here to shitpost and watch Vivzieblart's downward spiral into insanity.
As an /x/gay, seeing how casually this show throws around the actual sigils of real demons like a fast food company throwing around their logo is laughably reckless. Combine that with the fact that she's depicting them as fudge-packing nymphomaniacs to an audience of millions and profiting off of it, and she's really just asking for trouble at that point. Fricking with Goetic demons is like fricking with nitroglycerin; you should only do it if you have protection and you absolutely know what you're doing, because otherwise it WILL blow up in your face and horribly mangle you.
can't say I believe in any of that stuff myself, but I kind of hope you're right purely because Vivzie making a show so bad it invokes the wrath of genuine demonic forces would be really fricking funny
I theorize that demonic forces green lit this show as an advertisement for their black magic. How else are you going to attract kids without bright colors and “zany” pos characters
>meant for adults
Isn’t written like it
Honestly, demonic forces aren’t going to cut off an appendage of their influence just because it’s “bad”, they’re fricking evil anyway.
Not really a moral person but they don't seem evil but just having an ego like a black hole. Extra planar beings are just incredibly selfish and are likely sculpting humanity to feed on our emotions like the Chaos Gods, so I am not worried about extinction with them shifting probability for their own amusement.
Love the song and the visuals but I can't muster any emotional response to it, it's quite sad because if it had been about Stolas and Octavia I'd probably have teared up. Feels like such wasted potential for it to be just about Stolitz…
Stolitzslop is what pays the bills.
Wrong
The bills are FOR Stolitzslop
>it had been about Stolas and Octavia I'd probably have teared up
Obviously I can't tell if you posted this before reading the rest of the thread but about that...
It's a fansong that.. always was. There was a single line referencing Octavia that weirdly isn't in this version. I think Addict was a similar situation. Fan Song the crew liked and decided to make official.
It's a bit weird because it's I think written in 2021 so with like only a handful of episodes of context and now has to be fit into canon post a season and a half of it tho.
Too bad, Octavia doesn't matter, she'll be discarded just like every other female character by Viv. Loona doesn't matter, Millie doesn't matter. Niffty won't matter, Cherri won't matter, Velvette won't matter. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that Vaggie and Charlie are too important to be shoved aside for what Viv REALLY only cares about, that being Yaoi bullshit, the overfocusing on Stolitz helped kill this show, and the overfocusing on HuskerDust will help kill Hazbin.
I have 0 faith that Vaggie and Charlie won't be overshadowed in HH, Vaggie barely had a character in the first pilot and the previews seem to imply she's managed to lose what little she had.
Hazbin Hotel was in development so long that if it turns out to be mediocre, a lot of people will just drop it and it likely won’t get a third season (second because shows are cut in half nowadays)
>her face when you eat out her owlussy
Uh actually is called cloaca
>When anon tries to date Octavia
>MY SIDES
Are there anymore of these?
They're doing it for me.
yes there is https://e621.net/pools/32830
Shit I had all of those favorited, but never stopped to see Lilith's, God help me
And like the dumbass I am I forgot the image
nice
I'm scaroused.
I'm just aroused
For me, it's Cherri.
Most likely it's explicitly because Viv wanted a ton of big name Broadway folks, yeah there's some on Helluva Boss, but those are always secondary characters like Fizz and Ozzie, not the main cast.
Is she old enough to drink alcohol? I like flat adult women. Haven't watched Helluva Boss aside from the pilot but it's fun to shitpost here.
In the states, no. In any place not moronic, yes.
In mexico is whenever your dad gets drunk enough.
I wanna say they very conspicuously have Stolas drop a line about having stayed with his wife these (however many but that I believe is 18) years for the sake her her growing up with both parents
Also I think Stolas himself is only like, 30 somehow
Dunno the Hellish age to drink at any rate though
I do find the idea of Stolas being a young dad funny. I imagine like right after the marriage ceremony the parents are already asking for kids.
Also probably why he didn't enjoy sex, because it's literally turkey bastor treatment.
She's canon 17
Octavia is STICC
I think all the Goetia's are.
It's just less apparent with Stella cause she wears such a big poofy dress usually.
Did you miss thicc birb next to Stellas brother?
Da frick? I get warned by mods for posting Stella, and this shit is up.
That was also posted like three minutes ago you autist
Are you one of those tards that literally cannot process the passage of time?
Kinda I just finished my energy drink. A little wired
That said it was a hot stella pic and I'm sad the jannies hate her too
Plausible
Stella merch DOES indicate that she's got a fat ass and thighs, so it's a question of whether Tavi got her father's scrawny genes for life or she's just a late bloomer
Stolas is like The Whale in the oscar winning A24 film The Whale starring Brendan Fraser who plays a fat homosexual who destroyed his life and his family's to hook up with a suicidal twink. The film is just 2 hours documenting his histrionic struggle for "redemption" to his estranged daughter while ignoring that every decision leading up to his awful present was his own fault.
>Stolas is the whale
More like the gayowl
That's a good take
>stolas is a whale
we know
Blitzo is a disgusting shitbag, Moxxie had a monster of a dad and a hellish upbringing yet is a sweeter person than Blitzo
How do you react?
>"Wait, so you're telling me Kissinger didn't go to Hell?"
>"Does that mean I am...A FURRY!?"
we have been over this already anon, you're now a hmogay
All she had to do was make the show funny.
Just let Roger be in charge in the comedic writti
His skits are hilarious compared to Helluva Boss
Grandpa shuffling away on his walker while Blitzo (somehow) misses is legit the only time I've laughed at anything HB-related.
Sad to see all this potential wasted.
>Rogers is as funny and edgy as Helluva Boss SHOULD be.
>Instead his main writing contributions seem to be the gay shit.
This is like the monkey's paw dimension where some fan who wished he was writing for an animated show got what they asked for.
Brandon Rogers written episodes are fine. He has done some of the show's best stuff. The problem is Adam Neylan, Vivzie's nepotism co-writer who can't write for shit and just cranks out Ao3 fanfic material.
I've seen a trend of people blaming Rogers but regardless of what you think of him, he's the least offensive of the three by far - and if you're stupid enough to think Vivzie is the talent behind any of the good early stuff then you are a moron.
wasn't Neylan part of Rogers crew originally?
I don't know anything about him, only that he is a hack. Even if he worked with Rogers before, I think that someone can be a good co-writer or idea springboard, but a bad lead writer.
Adam also tends to mock and insult anybody who likes that shark that was dating Moxie
First you have to get rid of that greasy israelite Adam. he’s one of the biggest problems with the show besides Viv.
Man every time Stolas or Ozzie get a song they just make all the other VA's look like total singing amatuers.
Their just clearly way more professionally trained.
The only times I find Angel sexy is when artists draw him with alot of changes to his design like this
Now I get how sinners find him hot
Vivzie should have let her designers redesign Angel Dust Vizie cannot draw hot male characters most of them are just sticks with sharp teeth
Same artist. Queen Bee could been different characters.
Example; 1/2
And this could've been her favorite dog and make her a princess. I'll still let her voice by Kesha.
Im sorry this has to be the worst Queen Bee redesign iv seen.
it's just.. boring. Yeah she looks morel like a bee but that's.. really all it has going for it.
Better than the sparkledog by miles.
that doesn't make it good, kesha dog is an astoundingly low bar
Not saying it is or isn't, just that I'd take 99% of redesigns over the dog.
His official art give off that vibe sometimes Angel seems well liked too so I guess his personality plays a part in why he so popular
Fair enough also when he's in drag he actually looks hot
He got moves
Porn artists and fetish artists unironically give Octavia more love than Vivzie and I hate it
She deserves to be top dog not the clown
making her a just a notch on blitzo's belt right off the bat didn't help her development much.
Virgin 2022 Angel Dust vs Chad 2014 Angel Dust
Multiple arms
Covered in fure
Ome black Sclera
Gross tbh
Fizz and Crimson are the only good characters in the entire show, change my mind.
Fizz has the most unfortunate voice though makes him insufferable to listen to.
Who the frick is Crimson though?
>Who the frick is Crimson though?
Another character wasted in this show
Moxie's Dad?
Bro doesn't look NEARLY as good as this fanart drew him. Would love there was better character designs in this series.
It's bizarre how the hell show doesn't really have prominent, strongly masculine characters. Paimon or Vortex are maybe the most notable examples I can think of, but they don't play big roles in the story so far.
In a fairly lawless place you'd think it would encourage more shows of machismo or attempts at dominating through physical strength and literal manpower. Especially since the story's universe seems to be critiquing older and traditionally male-led power structures, which historically tend to proliferate in places where the government is weakest. Instead most of the male characters seem oddly effeminate.
>strongly masculine characters
>Paimon
lolwut
Fizz got his balls snipped and while I want to like Crimson, he suffers from this constant trend in the cast of being too silly in his ineptitude despite trying to be passed off as a malevolent mob boss domestic abuser to act as Moxxie's more broken reflection.
Crimson is the most wasted character on the entire show. He is the closest character in the entire show to seeming like an actual threatening presence and they still manage to frick it up by making him too goofy and inept after his first appearance, which was fine and one of the only good S2 episodes. He would have been so easy to get right too, he's just a mafia dad who hates his son for leaving the business that's like the most generic backstory ever. The exact same thing happened to Striker too, he was menacing and competent but got turned into a total joke later.
Why do they keep doing this with villains? Who is even supposed to be the main bad guy? Striker and Stella have been turned into Team Rocket, Crimson doesn't even have a goal or connection to Moxxie anymore and is in the same boat, the DHORKs, Cherubs, and Verosika are completely MIA, Mammon is a complete b***h, are we supposed to be afraid of Paimon? He's been in it for like one minute in a bad flashback episode.
Crimson should be a smear on the floor
If Asmodeus was willing to square up against Mammon over Fizzaroli's job, he should have absolutely fricking murdered this fricking imp who actively put Fizz's life at risk
So what's gonna happen if Hazbin is just more of the same "frick frick frickity frick" humor but it gets mega popular like Invincible or The Boys, and rich kid gets her way again ?
I get the feeling there will be less swears in it over all, but what's gonna make it popular are scenes were someone crawls into a penis and explodes it. The Boys is popular with normies for the level of weird depraved shit it throws into it's episodes.
Hazbin doesn't have a plot that's any different from a Disney movie, and a bad Disney movie at that. It'll be like enduring 50 Shades of Grey but with a bigger budget because it's animated.
I liked Butcher's and Homelander's relationship and how Butcher is one of the few people not at all afraid of the Biden-Bush-Clinton allegory crossed with Brie Larson's Captain Marvel. His reason to hate Homelander with every fiber of his being and the sheer willpower to go through with it is the kind of frickyouatude that most modern shows lack. Especially modern feminist driven shit like this and RWBY, where having a main character have a fearless frickyouatude with genuine reasons for it and capacity for self-sacrifice without hesitancy.
Honest to god this show needs to be more Black Lagoon and Disgaea, the works it seems Viv unintentionally took from, and not the dipshit yaoi fanfics that Viv read instead.
I want to make Verosika happy
I want to make her happy by snacking on her peach, probably tastes like champagne or some sweet wine.
Call it cringe or whatever but the idea of a demon finding a happy life with a human man is evergreen kino
SHUT THE FRICK UP ABOUT THE GUYS IN THE SHOW! Flizz's story is complete and now we still have to watch Stolas petty "love" story about 2 more hours. I just want Loona to have her own episode again.
I'd like to see Loona again too, but I feel like her getting a dedicated episode at this point in the series would just worsen the character overall
Yeah, Loona goes to Earth to spend time with her human boyfriend
This show was never going to be meant for you from the start, you brought this on yourself
look how Verosika looks, she needs (me) so we can be happy togheter
This anon knows what's good
I was immediately sold on Verosika the second I heard Cristina Vee's voice. Damn shame she's stuck in such a shitshow of a shit show.
I found it amusing how she was modeled after her voice actress as well. Mostly noticeable when she is a human. She was in RWBY as Robyn Hill and modeled after her as well but that was her worst character she played to date. Familiar of Zero's Louise was a b***h but at least was willing to put out and the story didn't take itself so seriously.
She was perfect for the voice, maybe some day I make my own knock off of this show but get the voice cast to be in it and it will have blackjack and hookers.
Verosika's breasts are natural at least. Unlike her VA.
Something about the women in Helluva Boss just gives vibes that their favorite bedroom activity is cunnilingus. The aggressiveness and hartman hips strike me as being perfect for femdom which I hate how Viv hit my weakspot with a perfect bullseye.
ToT
UOOOOOOOOOOHHHH HUMAN MEN ROMANTIC
this made me realize succubi are a naturally born species in helluva boss meaning that theres child succubi
what are the implications of that
Obviously you don't get a succu-license to actually do anything lewd until you're 18
Pretty dark
I kind of would have liked to see Verosika actually interact with other people Blitzo knows besides just molesting Moxxie and giving Barb Wire the Asmodeus crystal.
>never going to be meant for you from the start, you brought this on yourself
Yeah, I'm sorry I'm not the fanbases of eating shit.
>original song: Stolas realizes his life choices affected Octavia
>Vivzie's reboot: Stolas is afraid Blitzo won't frick him anymore
Wow more depressing Fujo soap opera bullshit about this annoying pathetic gay owl obsessed with a smelly little pissy drunk with mommy issues. That's all this show is anymore. Depressing soap opera garbage. Oh look Stolas is gay and sad. What else is new?
>Vivian willing to completely murder Octavia as a sacrifice on the altar of Dindu Stolas UwU
At some point you kinda just have to be impressed
The liked that water effects. I wish they were in a better show or at least a better character than Stolas. Like a glimpse Leviathan
>owl being gay and mopey for the 4391854031854302210392103210317th time
Wow really breaking new ground here
>Performative twitterBlack persony
There's low hanging fruit and then there's that
Stella did nothing wrong
>T. Andrealphus
Andrealphus thinks she's an even bigger moron than most people already do
I mean, he's not exactly incorrect in that observation
She did something wrong.
She didn't tell her brother to sit on a dick and have Stryker slit the birds fricking throat.
I don’t watch this stuff but why is Grimm from Hollow Knight in this cartoon.
>everyone praising this video and helluva trending
its fricking OVER
show is hot again
Kids also praise skibidi toilet and cocomelon, who cares what twitter users think.
Why did jannies delete my comment about Stolas being a crybaby?
Did your comment have a picture of a sexy owl woman attached to it by chance?
No
absolute THEATER!
It was great
You can be honest here you know.
Pretty good
Sexy owl!
What's the next fandom song that you'd like to see get the canon treatment?
It's sad that Paranoid DJ is better at writing these characters than Viv is.
I feel like Stovia shippers do a better job at writing these characters than Viv is.
>Stovia
Stevia?
people who ship stolas with octavia, there are one or two good fics out there ngl but the art seems to be strictly sexual.
I mean... they are royals so...
This dude in particular seems to play with that bit. For what I can take from it, he tries to pander to both demonology; real life events and the show's canon.
eh, might be worth a read, cheers
Was it any good?
'The book' seems to be unfinished and focus on some weird 'octavia is actually stolas' mother' time travel thing that I did not care for.
However the first story in the series is fairly passable. Its mostly just Octavia and Stolas fricking with quite a lot of backstory so I'll likely finish reading it.
Did you skip the prologue? it says Octavia is named after stolas' mother. So she's stolas' mom from which he will later name his daughter as such.
i skimmed it to get a general feel before I delved into it
if that's the case I might give it a proper chance once I've read the first two stories, which both seem pretty well written
I asked him on twitter; this is set in the past and will slowly explain all character's backstories, until reaching current times, etc.
Will we get to see a oversized underbeak?
OOF -that- dude. No thanks not reading that.
what are the good fics?
Refer to vv
need to find the other one, may had been deleted.
Genuinely a lot of really great animation in this.
personally i'm more of the opinion that stolas's musical numbers should sound more like this than anything, but that would require viv to develop an actual taste in music
1 week later
moxxie does not strike me as the wrestler type
hes in it because millie is
thread inspired me to draw something
too crude?
Alright when I was schizing out about dating Verosika I wasn't expecting a artist to draw it out, nice
>the closest thing to monogamy you can get with a Helluva Boss succ is her allowing you to be the only one who gets access to her pussy
I guess its similar to dating a porn star/prostitutes/stripper. That's just gotta be something you'd have to be alright with, as you knew what you were getting into.
I mean, unless a succubus needs to frick a lot of people to keep living you could be her solo provider of life force, there's also the possibility that's how she makes money, so again, you could be the breadwinner of the house, nothing stopping you making a honest woman out of her
Mayberry
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Octavia does need more love
You also need to draw more Octavia
i would draw more octavia if the community didnt have their sleeper agent activate whenever they see octavia in any compromising position
Have you done mammon or this afro hellhound yet?
no
Do you…want to?
if someone commissions it, otherwise i dont care
Do you have any commissions in the works? Are you Keno?
>Are you Keno?
nah this is Patrick
i dont have any at the moment, no
That’s fine. Just keep on drawing whatever.
Imagine Patrick taking calls for a fat fetish arthouse.
>Is this the fluffy furry?
>no, this is Patrick
>>no mention of Octavia
She’s a fricking prop. It’s disgusting how little she appears ever since season 2. I know Vivzie wants to make gay hell fiction now, but this is shameless.
I’m worried that writing for animation is going to tank from here
I wish viv would stop inserting her yaoi fetish in every episode
She can’t she’s a massive Fujo along with her teenage girl fanbase she’s doing exactly what they want from her.
In another universe, Vivzie stuck to the script and everyone but the fujo incels is happy...
%3D%3D
Yeah the song was alright, but its no Dethklok.
>the guy who made a video essay defending helluva boss that was praised by viv herself and cited by fans as the ultimate justification for the show is now currently the biggest joke on the face of the internet due to plagiarism, misogyny, and other bullshit.
Come again?
care to ellaborate?
Could you run that by me again?
Yeah, saw that. Biggest part of that video is his misogyny (along with all the plagiarism).
>James Somerton for those who don't know.
Comments in that video about Helluva are specifically in contrast to his complaints about other fandoms or media where serial killers are praised and idolized by women.
>(paraphrased) Women treat gay men as accessories that can be discarded. That is why they find attraction to films about Dahmer and Bundy
Every thing about Helluva invokes the same sort of fandom that serial killer fandom has, and it objectifies gay characters as emotional props.
Is he ok with it because the main author is a gay man and he completely ignores Viv's involvement in the series? Or is he completely happy with how the female characters in Helluva are so poorly written, that they're just all the screaming harpies he assumes women to be?
OR he got paid to promote this shitty show with a prewritten script that doesn't demonstrate that he's even watched a single episode?
Even ignoring Viv being a massive fujo. It's hilarious because Alastor is easily the most popular Hazbin character, even Viv has stated several times is her favorite.
Viv fits all the criteria of a toxic female that he has a history of hating and shitting on. (Never watched this videos but many other people are bringing up ALL instances of him being a woman hater).
I would go so far to say that Viv thought she was getting a "gay pass" by getting this guy to talk positively about her show. She can write all the horrible dumb shit she wants because she's got THIS GUY, who clearly has some notoriety, speaking favorably about her content. She can thank Hbomber for destroying that.
His video, "Bad Gays are Good" actually doesn't even address Helluva in the context of the video's subject matter. The thesis statement was "media needs more toxic gay people instead of happy friendly queers", and he uses Octavia crying about how much Stolas hates Stella as an example. This scene is only mentioned to praise how there aren't enough shows that talk about children dealing with divorce and that Helluva is a good show because of it.
My fat ass brother in christ, WHY would you use THAT to say the show does a good job representing GAYS? That is specifically a reason straights don't like people suddenly coming out as queer.
>media needs more toxic gay people
There’s not enough of those IRL?
Vivienne Medrano (the creator) is a loose disgusting crazy insane prostitute.
Who is sad her horrible ways are rejected by most smart people.
Or usually those people might fall for it for a while, and then some months/while later realize they made a mistake being with her.
She thinks people should feel bad for her cause of it.
>a demon lord of hell, vast power, vast money, sex
>still crys cause some other crazy person doesn't trust them.
This is literally an allegory of how females or rich people complain how hard life is.
I just don't feel bad for this stupid bs.
These complainers are spoiled and should shut up.
Why do you guys watch fojoshit then complain about it having gay furry fanfic writing? Just watch something else that's for you and not teen girls.
the people who enjoy are a very separate group to those posting to complain about the show
HOW DARE YOU HAVE STANDARDS FOR STORYTELLING! YOU ARE GOING TO EAT YOUR SHIT AND YOU ARE GOING TO LIKE IT!
That's what I'm asking you to do Anon. Have some standards instead of eating shit then complaining that it tastes like shit.
Sorry, let me rephrase it:
HOW DARE YOU CARE FOR THE THINGS YOU LOVE AND FIND INTEREST IN.
newsflash gay, this happens in ALL fandoms, the fans like the content; they consume it; and if it tastes like shit they will say it. Not because they are haters, but because they know it can taste NOT like shit.
I at least have invested myself enough in the show and the fandom to feel entitled to complain about shit that drags it to the ground when it could be so much more.
And I'm invested enough in the world of cartoons no NOT want others to follow the same steps viv has because "fans will gobble it up".
We enjoy getting angry
Because people were baited into believing it would be something more. It feels like a betrayal.
I'm sorry that you thought this show would have any decent writing when literally none of the episodes in season 1 had anything resembling it. Let's face it, you just thought Stella's character design was hot and projected your own wishes onto her when she was a shallow b***h from day 1.
she is pretty hot though
>t. Mammon
I hope she eats so many desserts that she mellows out at some point
Anon, she needs someone else that isnt Stolas to actually frick her silly to the point she's happy
I love me some good gay furry content
This ain't it
Take Stolas and Blitzo's dynamic and make them an anthropomorphic dog and a raccoon and they're young adults set in some college town I would still be in the comments saying these gays are too damn gay
>Blitzo the Boss in the Pilot: I'm the boss and this my company. Now let's get some fricking clients and get this shit rolling!
>Blitzo the Boss in the Show: My exes hate me, my sister hates me, my adopted daughter can't stand me, my best friend finally forgave me after years of resentment, and I just don't wanna take a chance with this owl guy. Oh hey Mox, in the middle of a client's job? Whatever, I've got broken relationships to mend...
If I wanted to torture myself with even more real-life drama after coming home from a thankless job, I'd just watch reruns of the Bold and the Beautiful on CBS. This show was supposed to be a fun escape from the bullshit and mediocrity of our everyday lives. Instead, it's just a reinforcement of that very thing. We've been had, Helluvagays.
so how much merch did you buy before the rug was pulled?
>"s-she literally owes you n-nothing"
Any creator who puts their work out for the masses to behold owes us the most valuable commodity of all: time. And right now, she owes 11.12 * 10,000,000+, because all that time could have been spent on someone else's project that would have actually retained what people enjoyed from the pilot/teaser of said project. Now take your (You) and frick off back to TwiXer.
answer the question
>s h e
>l i t e r a l l y
>o w e s
>y o u
>n o t h i n g
>h-h-h o m o p h o b e
Smug rabbit needs correction
>spider
>rabbit
>cat
Now I want to see him voice a Hyena
Thankfully no merch. It's kinda weird for any product to have merch before the product has proven to be something people wanted.
Look at Spamton. Only after he came out did they confirm he needed the merch he gets. A big flaw with Digital Circus is how it's got all this merch ready to buy, and it's just for the one pilot. What if the rest of the episodes don't pay off at all?
Gooseworks knew ADC was going to be big, so it paid off to have something ready.
This is a very common tactic to shame people into abandoning something they are disgruntled with to repress negative feedback and stopper conversation so that negativity can’t spread. Damage control shills are the worst pieces of shit to manifest on this site next to Twittards.
She also owns Millie,Loona and Octavia good writting
Not that anon but you really gotta stop outing yourself as a tumblr tourist. We all love ragging on Vivziepop for her cringe show but when people start virtue signaling like this it’s just embarrassing.
Not a single person living in Gaza gives a frick about this gay ass twitter drama or an apology from some random vivziegay.
the vivziepop critical community on tumblr is mind numbingly moronic. Which sucks bc there aren’t a lot of places outside of Cinemaphile that are willing to criticize this show.
Some of the tumblr critiques aren’t bad but the majority of them l can’t take seriously because they’re couched in that teenage girl sjw rhetoric.
>can't believe people actually care about this literal fricking garbage
The animation was cool as usual, singing wasn’t bad, But a lot of the imagery came off as cliche ( Like shit you’ve seen in countless anime ) and thus didn’t feel very memorable. I don’t see this reaching the heights of Addict which…for all its flaws was at least fun.
What in the hell does he see in Blitzo? Im gay and I find him repulsive
The dick I guess, that's probably why Verosika has a tattoo with his name on it. Your guess is good as mine, gaygay
Isnt Verosika like a celeb or some shit? Im sure shes had an ubermensh tier Imp frick her with a goliath dick so this is ridiculous.
If that was the case, she'd have their name on her body as well
Overall she deserves a happy ending
The dick isnt enough to justify a relationship just a frick buddy deal, hes head over heels in love with that pile of garbage.
That’s because Stolas is a rich b***h and rich b***hes don’t know struggle or how to write any, VIVZIE. He’s possibly attracted to the danger
He’s enamored with a fantasy Blitzo that was a good friend to him as a child and gave him a happy memory, and became smitten with Blitz when he reappeared and swept him off his feet in a hot night of passionate rigorous sex. Blitzo’s take charge attitude is refreshing to him because hardly anyone treats him so blithely and it revs him up even more. Also apparently Blitzo’s dick game is strong as frick.
Now that said:
>Stolas has never had satisfying sex in his life prior to Blitzo, thus can’t be an arbiter of how ‘good’ he is
>Stolas ignores Blitzo’s blatant unpleasant nature and his uncomfortableness
>Stolas does not understand Blitzo appeared only with intentions of robbing him on their reunion
>Stolas does not internalize that Paimon literally bought Blitzo for him and it was not a situation where Blitzo wanted to hang out with the sad owl boy on his birthday, also Blitzo robs him blind
It's like Romeo and Juliet
So beautiful
How weird being hung up on one little childhood gay crush, did Stolas never get passed around as a teen as the secret gay orgiesin Goetia?
>How weird being hung up on one little childhood gay crush, did Stolas never get passed around as a teen as the secret gay orgiesin Goetia?
I think, that basically Stolas af Stella are just grown teenagers. That they got married young and force to have a baby and then just told to do his job.
Stolas never had that thing of dating around, or making mistakes, finding out what you truly want to do. His basically living a life lived by other people expectations.
It is the massively indulgence of Viv and hopefully Rodgers was not having him as his author self-insert for this aspect. It is incredibly off putting he is supposed to have a huge knob when he keeps trying to find any opportunity to frick M&M and early on seemed far less concerned if they were wanting it.
>have a well designed, unique character
>his mysterious nature, vast influence and extraordinary power level make him a perfect plot device, deus ex machina you can sprinkle from time to time
>UUUUHHH ACTUALLY HE IS VERY VERY SUPER IN LOVE WITH MAIN CHARACTER AND WHOLE PLOT WILL NOW CENTER AROUND THEIR RELATION
Helluva Boss ended with episode 6. I'd rather die than recognize the wattpad tier bullshit that comes after.