>now played by a new, more acceptable creep
crazy how the liberal world is working. dancing around wearing next to nothing or pretending to be a woman for kids is being made to be acceptable and totally normal and not creepy
Because it was comedy and understood as comedy, not a dark and evil determination to make sure little kids wanted to do the same as promoted by sketchy pervs.
Because it was comedy and understood as comedy, not a dark and evil determination to make sure little kids wanted to do the same as promoted by sketchy pervs.
Yes, someone who practices performative burlesque who unironically demands access to children in library's or at "child-friendly drag events" for some frick-awful reason.
>performative burlesque
I once met a fat chick who wrote a piece about her running around naked with huge testicles strapped to her vegana.
She got paid to perform this in a museum.
I asked her why she did this and she said she thought it was funny. I agreed, I would have lost my shit if I saw this while visiting a museum.
>dancing around wearing next to nothing or pretending to be a woman for kids is being made to be acceptable and totally normal and not creepy
Drag Queens are clowns. It's honestly safer for children to get books read by drag queens than go to church where they could be molested.
I appreciate the effort but it's far too low energy to fit Lemongrab. Maybe it's just that scene in particular since he's supposed to be pathetically pleading softly, but even OG Lemon would feel like he was screaming even if the actual volume of his voice was low.
I dunno, I liked them as the alt universe fem-Grabs, so maybe they just need a more pumped up scene to do it justice.
Nah, frick that!! I'm aware that Roiland is dirtbag, but there are lots of soundlikes than that fowl drag voice.
roiland's voice is probably one of the most commonly imitated ones out there next to mario and elmo yet I'm supposed to believe some random-ass drag queen was considered a natural fricking casting choice for the role. like fricking hell I'd be less offended if they just came out and said 'yeah this is for diversity points, frick you'
>yeah this is for diversity points, frick you
Reminds me of when they replaces Early from Squidbillies VA with some black dude who didn't give a single frick about sounding like the character after the original VA got fired for some racially charged facebook posts
I mean Tracy Morgan isn't just some black guy. But, yeah, they knew that was going to be their last season so everything was just a big middle finger to everyone, and Tracy's phoned in voice acting was the finger to Unknown Hinson and everyone who didn't like that he was fired.
I mean, are you surprised? This is the same series that forced a lesbian ship out of left field to stick it to the main white male character and his fans.
I appreciate the effort but it's far too low energy to fit Lemongrab. Maybe it's just that scene in particular since he's supposed to be pathetically pleading softly, but even OG Lemon would feel like he was screaming even if the actual volume of his voice was low.
I dunno, I liked them as the alt universe fem-Grabs, so maybe they just need a more pumped up scene to do it justice.
This is the second time a JR voice got recast and it just sounds so.. off? Im not a JR fan I think he sucks dick, but why not get actual impersonators of his characters instead of ruining the voice completely
Genuinely, what did Roiland do to get this sweeped up and dumped by the industry this quickly? No way the supposed "grooming" and "sexual assault" on women was enough, he had to have been genuinely insufferable or something to work with if the industry was this ready to drop him on all accounts and phone up somebody to fill his roles in. Not to mention other weird creeps getting by and still getting roles or job offers from within.
> he had to have been genuinely insufferable or something to work with if the industry was this ready to drop him on all accounts and phone up somebody to fill his roles in
yeah basically https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/02/report-rick-and-mortys-justin-roiland-allegedly-engaged-in-toxic-workplace-behavior
all that reads like is harmon ruined rick and morty by bringing in people who made it worse, who didn't jive with roiland and roiland decided to pull back. Happens to coincide with the show becoming garbage at the same time so it all fits.
I have a theory. Season 3 Rick and Morty they demanded there be more "female writers" for some reason. They ushered in a bunch of women to write the melodrama for Beth and to "flesh out" Summer. Neither of these characters really needed that and everyone actually loved the writing until season 3.
The demand for "more female writers" was actually a set up to give Roiland the boot. Flood the studio with incompetent female writers he'll inevitably have to tip toe around or get upset at, surround Roiland who's socially awkward, have the infiltrators claim "sexual harassment", and there you go. You know have one of the most influential and popular modern adult cartoons in your pocket. It was never about sexual harassment that did or didn't happen. It was just about grabbing a cash cow.
>lets damage our golden chicken and risk loosing it all in "made up" (your words, not mine) scandals because white men bad? >It was just about grabbing a cash cow.
uh?
I have some similar theories to that. When you read all the articles is clearly that despite their attempts at framing in a way, Roiland was ostracized out of the writing room.
I don't think it was some sort of conspiracy theory to kick him out, I think he has a very specific type of humour that the new hires probably hated. A lot of his internet stuff was abrasive and purposely transgressive and he brought all he could to rick and morty, like with king jelly bean or a lot of minor references. I think is more a case of the new hires being intimated and offended by his own stuff, that when that found any excuse to give him the boot they just did that without a second guess. What supports this theory of mine is mostly how those threads are full of shills using of lies and poor deception to try to justify him being fired.
My more down to earth theory is just simply the erosion of geek culture as a whole, and as it becomes more and more of a normie thing the popular and influential people end up getting the paparazzi and tmz treatment. With all the drama, gossip and stupid shit made for vain and superficial human being brought up to the things we like. Justin is basically not that different from a victim of moral harassment from just being famous and women being bored like what they did with pop stars in the 2000's. One of the many, many reasons women really destroy all they touch.
I have a theory. Season 3 Rick and Morty they demanded there be more "female writers" for some reason. They ushered in a bunch of women to write the melodrama for Beth and to "flesh out" Summer. Neither of these characters really needed that and everyone actually loved the writing until season 3.
The demand for "more female writers" was actually a set up to give Roiland the boot. Flood the studio with incompetent female writers he'll inevitably have to tip toe around or get upset at, surround Roiland who's socially awkward, have the infiltrators claim "sexual harassment", and there you go. You know have one of the most influential and popular modern adult cartoons in your pocket. It was never about sexual harassment that did or didn't happen. It was just about grabbing a cash cow.
solar opposites pilot explains it too, how it went from being a wacky sandbox where anything happens to dan harmon's mouthpiece with deep lore, appealing to a different kind of audience. roiland was not in the writing room in later seasons, harmon got butthurt roiland wanted to make his own project (solar opposites) to do what he wanted. the best cartoonists are sickos and weirdos. lack of free reign is why tv animation sucks ass now
like what? big city sneed, owl house, and other unfunny baby garbage?
8 months ago
Anonymous
BGC sucks but Owl House is not baby garbage in the slightest. Imagine being this moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but Owl House is not baby garbage in the slightest
Spoken like a true baby garbage enjoyer.
8 months ago
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R&M is more baby shit than Owl House. It actually has depth to it.
8 months ago
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im talking about cartoonists not deep lore writer-driven animated series showrunners. great cartoonists are weirdos
8 months ago
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>great cartoonists are weirdos
Not true, you just have a narrow minded view of what a cartoonist is.
8 months ago
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simply look at the history of cartoons and cartoonists.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I studied it in college and I can say you're narrow minded
8 months ago
Anonymous
based on what? list who you think are great cartoonists who aren't weirdos. the great ones are weird, that's why they're great
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's not why they're great, you're just a social frick up and fetishize weird people.
Also Allison Bechdel is the only normie ai frick with, easily the greatest cartoonist.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This is total bait but there is a kernel of truth here. The best cartoonists needed skill, talent, and dedication to their craft to get good. Being weird just helped broadened their horizons.
If being weird was all that it took to be a great cartoonist, this board should have been an industry of it's own by now.
8 months ago
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>Alex Hirsch >Rebecca Sugar >ND Stevenson
Wow so weird
8 months ago
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more like Harvey Pekar, John K, R Crumb, Antonucci. actual cartoonists. the last two are more showrunners.
That's not why they're great, you're just a social frick up and fetishize weird people.
Also Allison Bechdel is the only normie ai frick with, easily the greatest cartoonist.
boring normal people make the boring normal "cartoons" we have now
8 months ago
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Except the cartoons we have are based as frick so your argument is invalid.
8 months ago
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do you really think Nick Kroll, Raphael Bob-Waksberg and Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein are "cartoonists" making "based as frick" cartoons?
8 months ago
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>cherrypicking
8 months ago
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are these not the contemporary "based as frick" "cartoonists" you're endorsing, these non-cartoonist hacks who never draw or learned animation?
8 months ago
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>these non-cartoonist hacks who never draw or learned animation?
So you admit you're talking about writers instead of animators and cartoonists, therefore ruining your own point.
8 months ago
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those are all non-cartoonists showrunning major cartoons. and theyre boring and their shows suck. cartoonists make cartoons, they know the medium, and the weird ones are the iconoclasts and innovators (never women or nb afab or whatever you call alt-women now)
8 months ago
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>(never women or nb afab or whatever you call alt-women now)
I see so this is just an excuse to hate women.
8 months ago
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cartoonists are both funny and artists >https://www.artnews.com/art-news/retrospective/why-have-there-been-no-great-women-artists-4201/ >women not funny hitchens.webm
>theyre boring and their shows suck.
I'm sorry there's not enough dangling keys to satisfy you anon, truly I am.
normal words but a horse guy
8 months ago
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>women can't be funny and artists
It must be so sad to be blinded by your sexism.
8 months ago
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When I think of women cartoonists I think of people like Lynne Naylor. I don't think you're thinking of Lynne Naylor.
8 months ago
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women can't be funny and are rarely great artists
>normal words but a horse guy
You're quoting a show that is the very thing you hate.
seth macfarlane is a cartoonist
>the weird ones are the iconoclasts and innovators
And Dana Terrace and Rebecca Sugar aren't iconoclasts and innovators?
no
8 months ago
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>seth macfarlane is a cartoonist
NTA but you can barely call him that. That hack is the reason adult animation is the way it is.
8 months ago
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it's not his fault somebody chose to make brickleberry, paradise PD, big mouth, bojack horseman, mission hill, velma, harley quinn, f is for family, final space, owl house, big city greens, captain fall, inside job, my adventures with superman, tuca and bertie, midnight gospel, hoops, q-force, chicago party aunt, neo yokio, helga, amphibia, steven universe, gravity falls or she-ra
8 months ago
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Some of these aren't adult animation
8 months ago
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theyre all garbage
8 months ago
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>moving the goalposts
8 months ago
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>enjoying "cartoons" made by non-cartoonists and women
8 months ago
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Several of those were made by male cartoonists. You keep shooting your own argument in the foot and keep exposing how disingenuous you are being.
8 months ago
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wrong
>"cartoons"
Call these shows all you want. I downright hate most of them.
But let's not pull the "no true Scotsman" on animated works.
wrong
8 months ago
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Animation is animation autist
8 months ago
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>"cartoons"
Call these shows all you want. I downright hate most of them.
But let's not pull the "no true Scotsman" on animated works.
8 months ago
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>the one good Superman cartoon in a long while >garbage
8 months ago
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>Mission Hill
Do people not like Mission Hill? I've heard good things from it on Cinemaphile.
8 months ago
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>women can't be funny and are rarely great artists >no
Blinded by your own sexism. Especially ironic since John K as praised Sugar as a true cartoonist.
8 months ago
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>normal words but a horse guy
You're quoting a show that is the very thing you hate.
8 months ago
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>theyre boring and their shows suck.
I'm sorry there's not enough dangling keys to satisfy you anon, truly I am.
8 months ago
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>the weird ones are the iconoclasts and innovators
And Dana Terrace and Rebecca Sugar aren't iconoclasts and innovators?
8 months ago
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>Raphael Bob-Waksberg
Reminder that this frick's biggest claim to fame before Bojack was a twitter thread headcanonning Marge and Maude as secret lovers.
They can't even get decent writers in animation.
8 months ago
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The people making cartoons are definitely boring but are by no means normal. In fact I'd say that they're an even worse combination than boring and normal.
8 months ago
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Stevenson made comics. Now I know you're being disingenuous.
>lack of free reign is why tv animation sucks ass now
Given how cartoonists get away with all their gay ships, I don't think it's a problem with free rein or lack thereof.
Newer animators just want to keep making the same shit they were making on AO3 a few years ago.
>My more down to earth theory is just simply the erosion of geek culture as a whole, and as it becomes more and more of a normie thing the popular and influential people end up getting the paparazzi and tmz treatment. With all the drama, gossip and stupid shit made for vain and superficial human being brought up to the things we like. Justin is basically not that different from a victim of moral harassment from just being famous and women being bored like what they did with pop stars in the 2000's. One of the many, many reasons women really destroy all they touch.
Social media has normalized making what was once the private very public for most people. Including by choice. Everything is shared on social media now, and largely that behavior is encouraged by our culture. Our culture has come to expect everyone on social media to share everything or demand to know everything.
> he had to have been genuinely insufferable or something to work with if the industry was this ready to drop him on all accounts and phone up somebody to fill his roles in
yeah basically https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/02/report-rick-and-mortys-justin-roiland-allegedly-engaged-in-toxic-workplace-behavior
I have a theory. Season 3 Rick and Morty they demanded there be more "female writers" for some reason. They ushered in a bunch of women to write the melodrama for Beth and to "flesh out" Summer. Neither of these characters really needed that and everyone actually loved the writing until season 3.
The demand for "more female writers" was actually a set up to give Roiland the boot. Flood the studio with incompetent female writers he'll inevitably have to tip toe around or get upset at, surround Roiland who's socially awkward, have the infiltrators claim "sexual harassment", and there you go. You know have one of the most influential and popular modern adult cartoons in your pocket. It was never about sexual harassment that did or didn't happen. It was just about grabbing a cash cow.
he beat his wife and got blacklisted because hiring a knowin abuser is bad for business
It was the success of High on Life that did him in.
I'm sure Microsoft tired to acquire Sqaunch Games after it started selling like hotcakes but he wanted to stand out on his own and be a genuine competitor in the American games market, so someone decided to destroy his brand to tank the studio.
It actually really annoys me because I do like Rick & Morty but more importantly, I liked that Roiland was actually opening the door for other animators to join the industry, that Peloni Halloween Special he did was really awesome.
>I liked that Roiland was actually opening the door for other animators to join the industry,
That is true. People forget about how he was actually actively working on that. Heck, I bet he would even give some of us a chance if we proved yourself, he seemed the sort of guy who wouldn't give two fricks about your background if he liked what you were doing.
https://twitter.com/RealMortysays/status/1700587300202361042/video/1
Why do people in the business keep skipping out on an actual Roiland impersonator that sounds like the guy?
>Guy on Tiktok is so good at doing the voice he frequently gets asked if he does the voice in the actual show >Doesn't get cast as lemongrab
Is it because he's not a drag queen >This tweet where he says "They auditioned and they got it so I'm not mad"
Bro
I'd bet real money they didn't audition. Western Animation is a fricking circlejerk, guaranteed it's someone somebody who already worked there knows. It's a real tight nit club and you're not frickin in it.
>Why do people in the business keep skipping out on an actual Roiland impersonator that sounds like the guy?
Because a direct impressionist would be infringing on his likeness copyright probably so they get someone that meets the same vibe without being a direct soundalike. This isn't like Mickey who dies or Cleveland who steps aside. This was a forcibly removed VA who owns their character's interpretation.
>Because a direct impressionist would be infringing on his likeness copyright
Voice actors don’t “own” their voices. Tom Kenny was told by Nick never to do the SpongeBob voice for another role outside of their mascot.
Could we just leave the Lemongrabs in the past? This isn't like the Glossaryck voice change that SVTFOE did, where the choice was probably better in the long-run. This voice sounds like a poor attempt to do Roiland's voice that has none of the comedic effect of the original.
Once again: Scumbag or not, Roiland and his juvenile humor and voices made me laugh.
A shame but I guess that he won't be making or acting in anything again.
Okay, what are the evidences that Roiland gave his wife what she deserves? The accusation? That's literally the only thing that I saw related to this crime, people saying he did it so that being enough for him to be guilty.
Again anon, saying dismissal and dropped charges are different has nothing to do with saying he did anything or not. It's a legal disambiguation that borders the semantic but in some cases can be important. With dismissal, it usually stays dismissed for good. Dropped charges can be reinstated if prosecution finds more evidence. How likely that is in this case is something else entirely. But in the American court system, there's a difference.
8 months ago
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Bitch, did I ask? I'm saying all evidences are fake. Cry about it, I'm right and you are wrong.
8 months ago
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Are you ok anon? I didn't say anything about evidence (not "evidences") at all. I didn't say anything about whether or not he did it. I just said that no, charges dismissed is not the same thing as charges dropped.
Because those two different terms mean different things. Is English not your first language?
Dismissal and dropped charges in the court system are different. One of the major differences is how likely those charges are to be brought back in the event of new evidence later. Also, a dismissal is done after charges are filed, but dropped charges can happen even before filing. Or after.
The result is the same, but are legally distinct.
Dismissal means there was evidence to find guilty so a prosecutor took it all the way to trial.
Dropped charges means there was no evidence and the prosecutor didn't want to embarrass themselves with a non-case.
>Dismissal means there was evidence to find guilty so a prosecutor took it all the way to trial.
A dismissal can happen before a trial at a hearing. Being dismissed does not have to happen at trial.
Not him, but they literally aren't. One means there was no evidence, the other means there wasn't sufficient evidence.
Dismissal and dropped charges in the court system are different. One of the major differences is how likely those charges are to be brought back in the event of new evidence later. Also, a dismissal is done after charges are filed, but dropped charges can happen even before filing. Or after.
The result is the same, but are legally distinct.
So your argument is that he is 100% guilty because there are "evidences", that you don't know which are and have no idea if they are real or not and not because that are absolute no evidences? How you don't know if the evidences you are talking about are not simple cases of false testimony? If we are talking about stupid blantat expeculation that's my take. He is 100% innocent because all the "evidences", that we don't have access too are 100% fake.
ITT: morons who have to have American criminal law 101 spoonfed to them.
The case against Justin Roiland was dropped without prejudice for insufficient evidence, which means firstly that they can refile charges against him any time (if there was no credible evidence to suggest a crime, it would be dropped with prejudice and permanently over) and secondly that because domestic violence cases are won on victim testimony with corroborating evidence and the prosecution only gets one shot to try the defendant, "insufficient evidence" likely means the alleged victim doesn't want to testify but might in the future.
In fairness a lot of sites didn't mention whether it was dropped with or without prejudice, leaving a lot of people to speculate why it was dropped.
Also American law is complicated. To the point that understanding and educating it is it's own 2-4 year school in addition to typical college courses.
Talking about the voice replacement, what you guys thought? It is noticeable and cleary inferior, but I didn't hated. Maybe because the direction but still feels like lemongrab, just with a sore throat.
HE RAPED HER
HE MURDERED HER
HE PUT A PLASTIC HAND ON HER vegana ACCIDENTALLY?
IT WAS DOMESTIC! AND VIOLENCE!
WE WILL MAKE SHITTY REBOOTS OF THE SHOWS HE USED TO BE IN AND BAN HIM FROM THEM!
This is bait. I don't know or care what happened. None of you do either. Only 20% of you came here to talk about the "quality" of lemongrab and how it will be affected by a new voice actor.
>Only 20% of you came here to talk about the "quality" of lemongrab and how it will be affected by a new voice actor.
You just barely noticed? Half the posts are either this or arguing about cartoonists and showrunners.
I'm an indie filmmaker and here's how I've seen the whole "women in the writer's room" thing unfold.
I have had the pleasure of working with some amazing female writers, but some female writers only write absolutely shitty scripts and will try to turn the crew against the more succesful male writers because they get the spotlight, I've seen it happen multiple times.
On 3 different occasion, shitty female writers who are more concerned with getting fricked at rave parties and taking a shitload of drugs tried to destroy other writer's projects out of jealousy, one even falsely accused an actor of rape.
On one occasion a man did this on one of my project, despite the fact that I helped him out multiple times in the past, he destroyed 2 hard drive out of jealousy because he could only write shitty stoner flicks with no stakes.
Here's my advice to anyone in the entertainment industry, watch your back around party animal drug addicts, regardless of gender, you are better off working with the autists, the jocks and the angry ones.
I've worked with some amazing female writers, it's the ones that party all the time you should be careful around.
>Is played by a drag queen
Interesting choice
Makes sense, played by a creep, now played by a new, more acceptable creep.
UNACCEPTABLE CONDITION
UNACCEPTABLE
>now played by a new, more acceptable creep
crazy how the liberal world is working. dancing around wearing next to nothing or pretending to be a woman for kids is being made to be acceptable and totally normal and not creepy
And yet no one had any issue with Mrs. Doubtfire or Dame Edna
Because it was comedy and understood as comedy, not a dark and evil determination to make sure little kids wanted to do the same as promoted by sketchy pervs.
>Mrs. Doubtfire
family comedy, not a drag show
>Dame Edna
adult comedy, barely known abroad except for one-off references here and there, also not a drag show
Anon do you know what a drag queen actually is
Yes, someone who practices performative burlesque who unironically demands access to children in library's or at "child-friendly drag events" for some frick-awful reason.
>performative burlesque
I once met a fat chick who wrote a piece about her running around naked with huge testicles strapped to her vegana.
She got paid to perform this in a museum.
I asked her why she did this and she said she thought it was funny. I agreed, I would have lost my shit if I saw this while visiting a museum.
Bugs Bunny made me gay decades earlier
>dancing around wearing next to nothing or pretending to be a woman for kids is being made to be acceptable and totally normal and not creepy
Drag Queens are clowns. It's honestly safer for children to get books read by drag queens than go to church where they could be molested.
only straight guys can be creeps, and I'm saying this nonironically
what did roiland do that was creepy?
Nah, frick that!! I'm aware that Roiland is dirtbag, but there are lots of soundlikes than that fowl drag voice.
A "non-binary" they/them drag queen on top of that.
>non binary
Then how do "they" know if it's drag or not?
At some point drag became less about dressing as the opposite gender and more about dressing as a clown.
roiland's voice is probably one of the most commonly imitated ones out there next to mario and elmo yet I'm supposed to believe some random-ass drag queen was considered a natural fricking casting choice for the role. like fricking hell I'd be less offended if they just came out and said 'yeah this is for diversity points, frick you'
>yeah this is for diversity points, frick you
Reminds me of when they replaces Early from Squidbillies VA with some black dude who didn't give a single frick about sounding like the character after the original VA got fired for some racially charged facebook posts
I mean Tracy Morgan isn't just some black guy. But, yeah, they knew that was going to be their last season so everything was just a big middle finger to everyone, and Tracy's phoned in voice acting was the finger to Unknown Hinson and everyone who didn't like that he was fired.
I mean, are you surprised? This is the same series that forced a lesbian ship out of left field to stick it to the main white male character and his fans.
Put some fricking respect on the only doubled crowned ru girl Jinkx. Also Emerald in SU.
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Ew
I appreciate the effort but it's far too low energy to fit Lemongrab. Maybe it's just that scene in particular since he's supposed to be pathetically pleading softly, but even OG Lemon would feel like he was screaming even if the actual volume of his voice was low.
I dunno, I liked them as the alt universe fem-Grabs, so maybe they just need a more pumped up scene to do it justice.
This is the second time a JR voice got recast and it just sounds so.. off? Im not a JR fan I think he sucks dick, but why not get actual impersonators of his characters instead of ruining the voice completely
Corvo made sense, they went something completely different sounding as part of the comedy, this just sounds like shit.
Genuinely, what did Roiland do to get this sweeped up and dumped by the industry this quickly? No way the supposed "grooming" and "sexual assault" on women was enough, he had to have been genuinely insufferable or something to work with if the industry was this ready to drop him on all accounts and phone up somebody to fill his roles in. Not to mention other weird creeps getting by and still getting roles or job offers from within.
> he had to have been genuinely insufferable or something to work with if the industry was this ready to drop him on all accounts and phone up somebody to fill his roles in
yeah basically https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/02/report-rick-and-mortys-justin-roiland-allegedly-engaged-in-toxic-workplace-behavior
all that reads like is harmon ruined rick and morty by bringing in people who made it worse, who didn't jive with roiland and roiland decided to pull back. Happens to coincide with the show becoming garbage at the same time so it all fits.
Leaving the domestic abuse thing aside, by all accounts, Roiland IS an insufferable autistic manchild
I have a theory. Season 3 Rick and Morty they demanded there be more "female writers" for some reason. They ushered in a bunch of women to write the melodrama for Beth and to "flesh out" Summer. Neither of these characters really needed that and everyone actually loved the writing until season 3.
The demand for "more female writers" was actually a set up to give Roiland the boot. Flood the studio with incompetent female writers he'll inevitably have to tip toe around or get upset at, surround Roiland who's socially awkward, have the infiltrators claim "sexual harassment", and there you go. You know have one of the most influential and popular modern adult cartoons in your pocket. It was never about sexual harassment that did or didn't happen. It was just about grabbing a cash cow.
So that's why it became less fun.
>lets damage our golden chicken and risk loosing it all in "made up" (your words, not mine) scandals because white men bad?
>It was just about grabbing a cash cow.
uh?
I have some similar theories to that. When you read all the articles is clearly that despite their attempts at framing in a way, Roiland was ostracized out of the writing room.
I don't think it was some sort of conspiracy theory to kick him out, I think he has a very specific type of humour that the new hires probably hated. A lot of his internet stuff was abrasive and purposely transgressive and he brought all he could to rick and morty, like with king jelly bean or a lot of minor references. I think is more a case of the new hires being intimated and offended by his own stuff, that when that found any excuse to give him the boot they just did that without a second guess. What supports this theory of mine is mostly how those threads are full of shills using of lies and poor deception to try to justify him being fired.
My more down to earth theory is just simply the erosion of geek culture as a whole, and as it becomes more and more of a normie thing the popular and influential people end up getting the paparazzi and tmz treatment. With all the drama, gossip and stupid shit made for vain and superficial human being brought up to the things we like. Justin is basically not that different from a victim of moral harassment from just being famous and women being bored like what they did with pop stars in the 2000's. One of the many, many reasons women really destroy all they touch.
solar opposites pilot explains it too, how it went from being a wacky sandbox where anything happens to dan harmon's mouthpiece with deep lore, appealing to a different kind of audience. roiland was not in the writing room in later seasons, harmon got butthurt roiland wanted to make his own project (solar opposites) to do what he wanted. the best cartoonists are sickos and weirdos. lack of free reign is why tv animation sucks ass now
>the best cartoonists are sickos and weirdos.
Modern cartoons shows you're full of shit.
Modern cartoonists aren't sickos and weirdos, they're just annoying and gay.
like what? big city sneed, owl house, and other unfunny baby garbage?
BGC sucks but Owl House is not baby garbage in the slightest. Imagine being this moronic.
>but Owl House is not baby garbage in the slightest
Spoken like a true baby garbage enjoyer.
R&M is more baby shit than Owl House. It actually has depth to it.
im talking about cartoonists not deep lore writer-driven animated series showrunners. great cartoonists are weirdos
>great cartoonists are weirdos
Not true, you just have a narrow minded view of what a cartoonist is.
simply look at the history of cartoons and cartoonists.
I studied it in college and I can say you're narrow minded
based on what? list who you think are great cartoonists who aren't weirdos. the great ones are weird, that's why they're great
That's not why they're great, you're just a social frick up and fetishize weird people.
Also Allison Bechdel is the only normie ai frick with, easily the greatest cartoonist.
This is total bait but there is a kernel of truth here. The best cartoonists needed skill, talent, and dedication to their craft to get good. Being weird just helped broadened their horizons.
If being weird was all that it took to be a great cartoonist, this board should have been an industry of it's own by now.
>Alex Hirsch
>Rebecca Sugar
>ND Stevenson
Wow so weird
more like Harvey Pekar, John K, R Crumb, Antonucci. actual cartoonists. the last two are more showrunners.
boring normal people make the boring normal "cartoons" we have now
Except the cartoons we have are based as frick so your argument is invalid.
do you really think Nick Kroll, Raphael Bob-Waksberg and Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein are "cartoonists" making "based as frick" cartoons?
>cherrypicking
are these not the contemporary "based as frick" "cartoonists" you're endorsing, these non-cartoonist hacks who never draw or learned animation?
>these non-cartoonist hacks who never draw or learned animation?
So you admit you're talking about writers instead of animators and cartoonists, therefore ruining your own point.
those are all non-cartoonists showrunning major cartoons. and theyre boring and their shows suck. cartoonists make cartoons, they know the medium, and the weird ones are the iconoclasts and innovators (never women or nb afab or whatever you call alt-women now)
>(never women or nb afab or whatever you call alt-women now)
I see so this is just an excuse to hate women.
cartoonists are both funny and artists
>https://www.artnews.com/art-news/retrospective/why-have-there-been-no-great-women-artists-4201/
>women not funny hitchens.webm
normal words but a horse guy
>women can't be funny and artists
It must be so sad to be blinded by your sexism.
When I think of women cartoonists I think of people like Lynne Naylor. I don't think you're thinking of Lynne Naylor.
women can't be funny and are rarely great artists
seth macfarlane is a cartoonist
no
>seth macfarlane is a cartoonist
NTA but you can barely call him that. That hack is the reason adult animation is the way it is.
it's not his fault somebody chose to make brickleberry, paradise PD, big mouth, bojack horseman, mission hill, velma, harley quinn, f is for family, final space, owl house, big city greens, captain fall, inside job, my adventures with superman, tuca and bertie, midnight gospel, hoops, q-force, chicago party aunt, neo yokio, helga, amphibia, steven universe, gravity falls or she-ra
Some of these aren't adult animation
theyre all garbage
>moving the goalposts
>enjoying "cartoons" made by non-cartoonists and women
Several of those were made by male cartoonists. You keep shooting your own argument in the foot and keep exposing how disingenuous you are being.
wrong
wrong
Animation is animation autist
>"cartoons"
Call these shows all you want. I downright hate most of them.
But let's not pull the "no true Scotsman" on animated works.
>the one good Superman cartoon in a long while
>garbage
>Mission Hill
Do people not like Mission Hill? I've heard good things from it on Cinemaphile.
>women can't be funny and are rarely great artists
>no
Blinded by your own sexism. Especially ironic since John K as praised Sugar as a true cartoonist.
>normal words but a horse guy
You're quoting a show that is the very thing you hate.
>theyre boring and their shows suck.
I'm sorry there's not enough dangling keys to satisfy you anon, truly I am.
>the weird ones are the iconoclasts and innovators
And Dana Terrace and Rebecca Sugar aren't iconoclasts and innovators?
>Raphael Bob-Waksberg
Reminder that this frick's biggest claim to fame before Bojack was a twitter thread headcanonning Marge and Maude as secret lovers.
They can't even get decent writers in animation.
The people making cartoons are definitely boring but are by no means normal. In fact I'd say that they're an even worse combination than boring and normal.
Stevenson made comics. Now I know you're being disingenuous.
>lack of free reign is why tv animation sucks ass now
It's better than what it was in the 2000s which no free reign and even worse quality.
>lack of free reign is why tv animation sucks ass now
Given how cartoonists get away with all their gay ships, I don't think it's a problem with free rein or lack thereof.
Newer animators just want to keep making the same shit they were making on AO3 a few years ago.
>My more down to earth theory is just simply the erosion of geek culture as a whole, and as it becomes more and more of a normie thing the popular and influential people end up getting the paparazzi and tmz treatment. With all the drama, gossip and stupid shit made for vain and superficial human being brought up to the things we like. Justin is basically not that different from a victim of moral harassment from just being famous and women being bored like what they did with pop stars in the 2000's. One of the many, many reasons women really destroy all they touch.
Social media has normalized making what was once the private very public for most people. Including by choice. Everything is shared on social media now, and largely that behavior is encouraged by our culture. Our culture has come to expect everyone on social media to share everything or demand to know everything.
he beat his wife and got blacklisted because hiring a knowin abuser is bad for business
charges were dropped due to a lack of evidence
It was the success of High on Life that did him in.
I'm sure Microsoft tired to acquire Sqaunch Games after it started selling like hotcakes but he wanted to stand out on his own and be a genuine competitor in the American games market, so someone decided to destroy his brand to tank the studio.
It actually really annoys me because I do like Rick & Morty but more importantly, I liked that Roiland was actually opening the door for other animators to join the industry, that Peloni Halloween Special he did was really awesome.
>I liked that Roiland was actually opening the door for other animators to join the industry,
That is true. People forget about how he was actually actively working on that. Heck, I bet he would even give some of us a chance if we proved yourself, he seemed the sort of guy who wouldn't give two fricks about your background if he liked what you were doing.
Yea Rick and Morty will be a wreck.
>will
I like the weird, creepier pitch, but the energy isn't there and he can't get the scream as good. His "unacceptable" I'm worried about now.
Why dredge up Lemongrab at all? He was played out by his second appearance.
https://twitter.com/RealMortysays/status/1700587300202361042/video/1
Why do people in the business keep skipping out on an actual Roiland impersonator that sounds like the guy?
>Guy on Tiktok is so good at doing the voice he frequently gets asked if he does the voice in the actual show
>Doesn't get cast as lemongrab
Is it because he's not a drag queen
>This tweet where he says "They auditioned and they got it so I'm not mad"
Bro
I'd bet real money they didn't audition. Western Animation is a fricking circlejerk, guaranteed it's someone somebody who already worked there knows. It's a real tight nit club and you're not frickin in it.
How much gambling debt do you have?
>Why do people in the business keep skipping out on an actual Roiland impersonator that sounds like the guy?
Because a direct impressionist would be infringing on his likeness copyright probably so they get someone that meets the same vibe without being a direct soundalike. This isn't like Mickey who dies or Cleveland who steps aside. This was a forcibly removed VA who owns their character's interpretation.
>Because a direct impressionist would be infringing on his likeness copyright
Voice actors don’t “own” their voices. Tom Kenny was told by Nick never to do the SpongeBob voice for another role outside of their mascot.
damn that guy was good.
That is insanely on point wtf
Roiland really dodged a bullet having to reprise the Lemongrabs.
Has Disney gone back and redubbed Gravity Falls again, yet?
Could we just leave the Lemongrabs in the past? This isn't like the Glossaryck voice change that SVTFOE did, where the choice was probably better in the long-run. This voice sounds like a poor attempt to do Roiland's voice that has none of the comedic effect of the original.
It's alright but the yelling parts is what needs to be the same.
Once again: Scumbag or not, Roiland and his juvenile humor and voices made me laugh.
A shame but I guess that he won't be making or acting in anything again.
Stupid pointless moronic fart sniffing revival so who the frick cares
>get charges dismissed
>still considered guilty
I love modern 'justice'!
Dropped. Not dismissed. There's a difference. It seems semantics but there is a difference.
No, it's the same. There was no crime.
Not him, but they literally aren't. One means there was no evidence, the other means there wasn't sufficient evidence.
Okay, what are the evidences that Roiland gave his wife what she deserves? The accusation? That's literally the only thing that I saw related to this crime, people saying he did it so that being enough for him to be guilty.
I dunno, I'm not an officer nor do I have the files.
Again anon, saying dismissal and dropped charges are different has nothing to do with saying he did anything or not. It's a legal disambiguation that borders the semantic but in some cases can be important. With dismissal, it usually stays dismissed for good. Dropped charges can be reinstated if prosecution finds more evidence. How likely that is in this case is something else entirely. But in the American court system, there's a difference.
Bitch, did I ask? I'm saying all evidences are fake. Cry about it, I'm right and you are wrong.
Are you ok anon? I didn't say anything about evidence (not "evidences") at all. I didn't say anything about whether or not he did it. I just said that no, charges dismissed is not the same thing as charges dropped.
Because those two different terms mean different things. Is English not your first language?
Dismissal means there was evidence to find guilty so a prosecutor took it all the way to trial.
Dropped charges means there was no evidence and the prosecutor didn't want to embarrass themselves with a non-case.
"Guilty until proven innocent" is insanity.
>Dismissal means there was evidence to find guilty so a prosecutor took it all the way to trial.
A dismissal can happen before a trial at a hearing. Being dismissed does not have to happen at trial.
Dismissal and dropped charges in the court system are different. One of the major differences is how likely those charges are to be brought back in the event of new evidence later. Also, a dismissal is done after charges are filed, but dropped charges can happen even before filing. Or after.
The result is the same, but are legally distinct.
So your argument is that he is 100% guilty because there are "evidences", that you don't know which are and have no idea if they are real or not and not because that are absolute no evidences? How you don't know if the evidences you are talking about are not simple cases of false testimony? If we are talking about stupid blantat expeculation that's my take. He is 100% innocent because all the "evidences", that we don't have access too are 100% fake.
>So your argument is that he is 100% guilty because there are "evidences",
I said no such thing. Please read what I posted more carefully.
Is that really the best they could manage? It's not like it's actually hard to get a decent soundalike for Roiland.
There actually is a voice actor online that everyone should have gotten the job. He didn't audition by his own admission.
this was fricking awful, rick and morty is gonna drop off a cliff without roiland.
Jinx has been everywhere since winning All-Stars. Good for her!
*them
Oh, my bad.
UNACCEPTABLE CONDITION
ITT: morons who have to have American criminal law 101 spoonfed to them.
The case against Justin Roiland was dropped without prejudice for insufficient evidence, which means firstly that they can refile charges against him any time (if there was no credible evidence to suggest a crime, it would be dropped with prejudice and permanently over) and secondly that because domestic violence cases are won on victim testimony with corroborating evidence and the prosecution only gets one shot to try the defendant, "insufficient evidence" likely means the alleged victim doesn't want to testify but might in the future.
In fairness a lot of sites didn't mention whether it was dropped with or without prejudice, leaving a lot of people to speculate why it was dropped.
Also American law is complicated. To the point that understanding and educating it is it's own 2-4 year school in addition to typical college courses.
Its own*
Is any legal system not complicated when you dig into it?
Usually is because you have to make exceptions that weren't foreseen when writing the law in the first place later on.
Will prop them for having funny ways of doing the voice without Roiland.
How did this thread go from a shitty voice replacement to two morons arguing with each other?
Talking about the voice replacement, what you guys thought? It is noticeable and cleary inferior, but I didn't hated. Maybe because the direction but still feels like lemongrab, just with a sore throat.
Sore throat because it's dry in a desert.
I heard She-Ra mentioned!
Is that Pan Pizza?
HE RAPED HER
HE MURDERED HER
HE PUT A PLASTIC HAND ON HER vegana ACCIDENTALLY?
IT WAS DOMESTIC! AND VIOLENCE!
WE WILL MAKE SHITTY REBOOTS OF THE SHOWS HE USED TO BE IN AND BAN HIM FROM THEM!
This is bait. I don't know or care what happened. None of you do either. Only 20% of you came here to talk about the "quality" of lemongrab and how it will be affected by a new voice actor.
>Only 20% of you came here to talk about the "quality" of lemongrab and how it will be affected by a new voice actor.
You just barely noticed? Half the posts are either this or arguing about cartoonists and showrunners.
If they actually cared about Roiland being bad they'd cancel his shows, not make them into zombie characters.
It's all just an easy pay day
Lemongrab isn't Roiland's creation.
Nah, just an iconic character played by him. Oh well, at least we have a troony now!
>iconic character
lol
lmao
Does your favourite character have a 4 channel banner? I don't think so.
Yes actually and I think it's safe to say that Joseph Joestar is far more iconic than Lemongrab.
Okay but that's irrelevant to what the other anon was talking about
I'm an indie filmmaker and here's how I've seen the whole "women in the writer's room" thing unfold.
I have had the pleasure of working with some amazing female writers, but some female writers only write absolutely shitty scripts and will try to turn the crew against the more succesful male writers because they get the spotlight, I've seen it happen multiple times.
On 3 different occasion, shitty female writers who are more concerned with getting fricked at rave parties and taking a shitload of drugs tried to destroy other writer's projects out of jealousy, one even falsely accused an actor of rape.
On one occasion a man did this on one of my project, despite the fact that I helped him out multiple times in the past, he destroyed 2 hard drive out of jealousy because he could only write shitty stoner flicks with no stakes.
Here's my advice to anyone in the entertainment industry, watch your back around party animal drug addicts, regardless of gender, you are better off working with the autists, the jocks and the angry ones.
I've worked with some amazing female writers, it's the ones that party all the time you should be careful around.
>t. Foid
Just googled the new corvo voice. Terrible.
Justin isn't allowed to voice a lemon either. Pathetic.
Ironic, considering Justin is a lemon at this point.
He sounds like how Oneyplays does the voice of the nostalgia critic.
sounds weak, but I can't disagree with that characterization for lemongrab, especially if he's just going to be this gag from now on.