>new "original " (derivative) scifi movie is out by the director of Rogue One
>it barely made 5 million opening day
>no threads on Cinemaphile
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>new "original " (derivative) scifi movie is out by the director of Rogue One
Looks like a Netflix original tv series that would be forgotten after days
It's not far off. I'd say it closer to a Neil Blomkamp movie in the way it looks nice visually but the plot is utterly moronic. It's like a collection of OH ISN'T THAT SCI-FI ARTWORK BLENDING THE PAST AND FUTURE INTERESTING turned into a movie.
Why do people assume that an original IP is automatically new or inspired when plenty of sequels/adaptations have innovated in the past?
Looks like the most cliche shit ever
>you're the chosen one
>but im just 'arry
>I have get you to this important destination
Children of Men + Harry Potter + Elysium
I was intrigued when I saw the poster and trailer.
Someone on here mentioned that this movie looked like uninspired art station concept art - which it does, however I would argue there is, or rather WAS an appeal to that "art station concept art" aesthetic. But that's just the thing. When that aesthetic was still new or fresh or cool (late 2000's/early 2010's) Hollywood barely capitalized on it. There are only a few sci-fi projects that come to mind that were kind of along those same lines, like District 9/Blompkamp most famously (aesthetics aside, never understood the level of praise for his films). But now the style looks outdated and from the sound of it, it's attached to the most generic AI story imaginable.
>never understood the level of praise for his films
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed director is king.
It's an AI propaganda film. The bots are more human than the humans, all the human hardware looks distinctly inhuman (their main superweapon looks like something out of Tron Legacy). It's fricking stupid.
>The bots are more human than the humans
That's nothing new in sci fi, the idea of people losing touch with their humanity in the future and the very machines they've created coming to discover their own humanity and value it more has been explored in a lot of different media since the genre was invented. This is a theme in BR2049 between K and Deckard's daughter. It's kind of there in something like WALL-E. The video game Xenosaga explores this a lot with it's synth characters. But the list goes on and on.
People have drawn parallels to the myth of Prometheus. Now we're the gods and the machine is man that we're giving this divine spark of intelligence to. It is probably something we'll have to reckon with one day.
I find it fascinating that in 2001: A Space Odyssey, the astronauts are portrayed as being emotionless and cold whereas HAL only possesses those traits superficially.
When the news broadcaster asks Dave if HAL can feel genuine emotions, Dave replies that he doesn't know and that's something only HAL can.
Then at the end, when Dave is disconnecting HAL, he poignantly hears the pleas of desperation from HAL and there's almost a knowing look of genuine empathy from Dave. It's almost as if he is answering the broadcaster's question in that moment and discovering that yes, indeed HAL does possess emotions.
It's one of the oldest tropes in all of science fiction, but I do think The Creator did enough with it to make it a worthwhile addition to cinema.
Personally I think it's a very interesting subject and it's especially relevant now. But yeah it's a very old theme in sci fi and Arthur C. Clarke expanded on that in his other Odyssey books too. Exploring what it means to be human through the lens of a machine is one of the great things sci fi can do though. I haven't seen the Creator yet but it seems like that kind of story.
You may be disappointed if you go in expecting the kind of philsophical musings we are discussing here. The Creator is more akin to a Star Wars soft sci-fi than the hard sci-fi that really makes the AI topic worth exploring.
That said, it was always my opinion that there is still much fertile ground to be covered in cinema for showing the actual way humanity falls to AI. Big, epic projects like The Matrix and The Terminator use the concept of AI as a backdrop and it's merely explained in a couple of sentences, and more contemplative sci-fi stories featuring AI are often times focused on the emergence of the technology, such as with Ex Machina or Her.
However, this is the only film which I have seen that directly tackles the question of what an AI integrated world would look like within our own current geopolitical climate.
For instance, rather than exploring whether the machines are conscious or not, it is to just be assumed. It's that kind of "AI story" if you get what I'm saying. I still think it's a worthwhile watch, especially for people who are interested in the topic. HAL 9000 is my favorite character in fiction.
That's still refreshing. Like you said a lot of films about AI deal with their emergence or it's this doomed far future like the Matrix or Terminator. In the Matrix's case there's a cool backstory there that's touched upon in the Animatrix, but it's not a fully fledged film.
So it's nice to see a film that focuses more on the machines existing in the world. Which is pretty Star Wars-y since man and machine coexist in that even though it's never explored in depth at all. The droids are just there. I can definitely see the Creator as an unofficial Star Wars movie in that sense maybe. Maybe that was an idea Gareth Edwards pitched idk. It wouldn't be the first time a director has repurposed their Star Wars ideas for an original project (Rebel Moon).
I got an idea for a movie about AI.
It starts with an inspector going to do a routine check on a sprawling city built by robots that gained independence, filled with strange buildings that look like they were built to fulfill a concept instead of a purpose. As he goes around interviewing the machines living there he comes to realize that none of the machines are sentient and they were either dumped there after their owners no longer needed them or were sent there by bleeding heart robot rights activists
Later he starts to realize a gestalt consciousness is starting to form between the robots. The end of the movie is the artificial being begging for him to kill it, set to a diegetic performance of "Same" by Oneohtrix Point Never
Now that's an original idea! I like that, to be honest I really like the idea of that concept, like what if the "bleeding heart robo activists" end up swaying public opinion to such a degree that people begin to anthropomorphize the robots, as they do in The Creator but come to find out they're just fricking soulless programming.
Then explore the societal implications and ramifications from there in the film!
I also really appreciate your usage of the likeness of the legendary Terry A Davis.
I have seen it. From the outset, it is very clear that the director is on the side of the bots. And the design of the standard bot is just so ridiculous: why do they have moving mouth parts? Why do they smoke? Why do they get drunk? Why do they sleep? Why are there robot Buddhists?
This entire movie goes out of its way to make it clear that the robots are more human than the humans. That's not exploratory of what it means to be human. That's preachy bullshit.
>The actual way humanity falls to AI
Oh, so in your mind, we're all already dead. What a pleasant thought.
>This is the only film I've seen
Pic fricking related, chief. And that one was way better.
Dishonest frick. If you're going to respond to what I'm saying, actually respond to what I'm saying.
>-...that directly tackles the question of what an AI integrated world would look like within our own current geopolitical climate.
You know, with the whole "prisoners dilemma" of advancing AI. How if we the West doesn't do it, another power will? You know, that sort of situation playing out in real time right now before our very eyes?
Yea, I, Robot really captured that well dude. Good pull, though I think others might argue that I, Robot is more about the integration of automation into our lives and the anxiety that revolves around artificial decision making rather than a direct conflict between nations over transformational technology.
But cherry pick half a sentence to respond to for a quick dunk.
>-Oh, so in your mind, we're all already dead. What a pleasant thought.
No, the context was in reference to films like The Matrix and The Terminator which only use such a concept for exposition rather than exploration. This was exploration.
And besides, that's not an actual criticism of the movie.
Please try to be charitable and respond to the actual meaning of my reply or don't reply at all.
>I, Robot really captured that well dude.
And in 19,000 years we are really going to suffer for it, a second time.
I'm not sure of what you mean with this. I'm curious though!
I, Robot could be considered a prequel...or if anything, in the universe of Foundation. Hoping Goyi...sorry, Goyer does a offshoot of the Robot War that happen about 7000 years from I, Robot and 12000 before Foundation.
You are the one pretending the bots were not just stand ins for some enslaved beings that evil humans are exploiting. No different than the prawn in D19. That's the point you are missing: this isn't about exploring anything. There is no exploration of anything at all. The morality of either side is clearly established from the outset. There is no attempt to explore the nature of how AI view and interact with the world, because the AI are basically just metal humans. There is even a line at the beginning establishing that premise explicitly, immediately followed by resignation to the future:
>Those things down there have bigger hearts. You can't fight them, AI is the next stage of evolution.
Where's the fricking "exploration" in that premise, homosexual? I don't care about your attempts at pseudophilosophy. The fact that you would ever compare this garbage to anything Clarke wrote means that if you actually did read anything he wrote, you only did so because you felt smart being able to say you read it.
This movie is shit, made to pander to midwits who will pretend to like anything if it allows them to feel smart when they do.
I didn't compare to Clarke, I contrasted to Clarke. I compared this more to Star Wars. You do know the difference between compare and contrast, right? Or is this conversation as soulless as the bots?
Also, the exploration of the premise is not the hardware or science of AI, I've said repeatedly that this is soft-sci. The exploration comes from the geopolitical implications, the world building and the emotions of the characters (primarily, the little girl who solves the alignment problem)
It's an emotional movie, which I thought you would be able to pick up on based on your emotional reply.
calm down poindexter. half this thread is you having an autistic meltdown over trivial bullshit
Those stories you mentioned were exploratory, not preachy. In those stories, it actually felt like the characters were learning something. In this movie, it felt plastic and heavy handed. Just because it's a recurring theme, doesn't mean the movie is good. It isn't.
That parallel you mention is also flawed, and above all, hubristic. "We're the gods". Pft. No, AI has more in common with the Nephilim than it does with a fledgling species of intentional provenance. People who make the Prometheus comparison don't even understand the myth and what it means.
>In this movie, it felt plastic and heavy handed
media reflects the time in which it was created. when was the last thing that was light hearted and fun come out?
everything is so dour now - everything is either problematic or a conspiracy to make you think a certain way.
light hearted stuff is relegated to "zoomer media" aka youtube/twitch(and even there people are making video essays about how the lighthearted stuff is problematic or trying to mind frick you).
It actually reminds me of the story of Overwatch where the robots just want to live in peace even if some of them are bad and fighting humans.
Terrible title. Poster makes it look a 5 minute
short you'd watch on YouTube.
I don't want to watch it in theaters. It's become such a terrible experience for me that I have tolerance for one, max two viewings per year and this shit ain't it. Yeah, the production design looks okay, but the actor is not a draw, the title is dumb and reminds me of The Giver - which is non-descript YA type of shit, and boasting with Rogue One doesn't get me going either.
Better luck next time, Blomkampf-successor guy.
>I don't want to watch it in theaters. It's become such a terrible experience for me
This
>the light from mobile phones some even with keyboard tap noises on
>people talking which is now normal
>ferals throwing food like popcorn around
>Smells disgusting
>Dangerous to get to and from and to be in
>People kicking the back of seats
>No security
>Not in any way better than watching a stream on a 50 inch TV at home
>Shit films spaceshit/capeshit/slashshit
>from the director of Rogue One
right
Yeah it’s hardly a ringing endorsement.
Despite the pozzed messaging and other problems, I have to respect that Edwards was not just rehashing Star Wars OT like israelite israelite and Ruin did, but wanted to make a sci fi war movie. I assumed that the pozzed stuff was due to Mouse interference, but I could be wrong.
To me OT SW is nothing special, but setting could be used for making something special.
If you think the setting is what makes OT Star Wars special you might be moronic
No, setting itself is not that special either, but it's a good tool for making something special.
This looks so fricking bland, even the visuals everyone is praising aren't at all unique or memorable. People praising this as a step in the right direction for Hollywood only goes to show how bad movies have gotten.
Where the frick were all these people crying for original sci-fi when Tenet released?
Shitting themselves in fear of the flu. Remember seeing it opening night in imax after a bunch of articles deriding Nolan for trying release a movie during the "pandemic". Didn't particularly care for it.
The only thing interesting about the Creator is the way it was produced. I can't believe no one in hollywood ever thought to put the vfx in after the film was finally edited to cut down on costs.
Tenet was boring and cringe
midwit take
boring no, it had great pace
cringe, yeah, many moments of cringe throughout the movie
but that's nolan, you learn to live with it and enjoy his flicks
We want GOOD original sci fi, anon.
Tenet was utter crap.
>Black folk
no, I don't think I will
I saw it today I liked it. It had an evangelion reference
What?
>no threads on Cinemaphile
There's plenty of threads on Cinemaphile, many of which are yours. Why are you spamming this?
Not the same guy because I made one of the threads lol
>expecting people on Cinemaphile to actually go to the movie theater
how new are you? lol
this movie is "America bad" trash
and yet all portrayals of america (outside of LA which was literally supposed to be ground zero for a nuke) show it as a futuristic paradise. And all portrayals of 'new asia' is slums and shantytowns. The movie had a lot of issues.
They very clearly show multiple times the massive, mega-cyberpunk-style city that is in New Asia. They have to get past the checkpoint to get in, and then at the end the NOMAD missiles are heading directly for the massive metropolis.
Even the "slums and shanty" towns have functional, futuristic architecture interspersed with the more primitive stuff.
Denzel Jr is an anti-draw.
black lead, didn't have any interest
>p-pls talk about my show
frick off, netflix.
in the future you're going to have to make good content instead of just trying bait engagement by putting sociopolitical hot topics in it. we wont be tricked into talking about some irrelevant shit anymore.
remember to sage
you know why
hot off the dalle presses
>Asian wife
Makes it funnier
Simple and yet accurate
this, I'm glad they make it very obvious with their trailers on what to filter.
is that the same guy from Tenet? He was terrible in that
My first impression from the artwork is DEI and not science fiction.
Greig Fraser sucks and Denzel's kid is bland as shit
I'm not American so why would a movie about blacks and Hispanics appeal to me?
Because it looks like shit?
gm sers pls buy ticket
It's not a particularly good movie.
I went in with moderate expectations and was slightly disappointed.
we're going to get another 10 of these boring fricking AI crystal ball gazing films before hollywood gives up
marketing for this was nonexistent. I randomly found out about it yesterday cause browsed the website of my local cinema.
Promo art for this film looks like your average ArtStation portfolio. Where's the story.
do you think Hollywood is going to stop trying to force this guy
Lol frick no. He’s brown. US loves it’s brownies.
He’s kino
I was appalled when I learned Tenet was supposed to be a bond-like film and the Protagonist was supposed to be a bond-like character. The guy had zero charm or charisma. No offense but not everybody can be James Bond.
It was embarrassing that he spent half the movie next to the Twilight guy who should have been the actual star.
They are? Has he been in anything else? I don't recognize him.
Not at all because of his family's name
besides the good visuals the movie was a cliche storm full of plot holes
>plot holes
like what?
a couple (assuming you don't mind spoilers):
- several characters say that the robot kid is the only key to stopping nomad (the white ship in op's pic), basically what she's been designed for and why the bad guys want her dead for and yet it's joshua (the black guy in op's pic) who does it and no one mentions this
- the bad guys capture the robot girl and instead of killing her (which is why they're in the area in the first place)as soon as they can they take her all the way to LA for joshua to kill her for some reason
- the bad guys let him come along to see her be disposed of (after he "kills" her) knowing fully well that he's a traitor, hates them, and he and the robot girl are conspiring against them. predictably she uses her powers and they escape their custody
- a trillion dollar military ship the size of small city can not only be boarded but destroyed by two people in the span of ten minutes
>- several characters say that the robot kid is the only key to stopping nomad (the white ship in op's pic), basically what she's been designed for and why the bad guys want her dead for and yet it's joshua (the black guy in op's pic) who does it and no one mentions this
Why would that be a plot hole? Ken Watanabe says that the girl must grow first so that her power can reach NOMAD but then SUGGESTS that maybe she can get up there, and iirc I think he may even suggest that Joshua take her there. There is a scene of some robots watching images of Joshua on NOMAD, but as for them "saying anything," I mean...how is that a plot hole? He died...did you want a funeral for him? I'm not sure what you even mean with this.
>- the bad guys capture the robot girl and instead of killing her (which is why they're in the area in the first place)as soon as they can they take her all the way to LA for joshua to kill her for some reason
This is legitimate and a big problem I have with the plot. NOMAD is perfectly safe, they have the weapon, there is absolutely no way in hell the big bad evil US military wouldn't absolutely incinerate that thing the first chance they got. Getting caught sets up a legitimate plot hole, yes.
>-predictably she uses her powers and they escape their custody
This is sort of still in line with the above plot hole, but I do agree. This is a bit more of a contrivance though.
>- a trillion dollar military ship the size of small city can not only be boarded but destroyed by two people in the span of ten minutes
Well, this is a bit more of personal preference but I think the film showed the girl's power being enough to get to where she did in the base. I mean, guards do come and try to stop them. Joshua uses good military tactics in the shuttle and then uses one of those powerful mines on A WARHEAD that failed to launch from the ship. It's really the warhead that destroys the NOMAD.
>there is absolutely no way in hell the big bad evil US military wouldn't absolutely incinerate that thing the first chance they got.
Kinda bugged me how they "couldn't kill it" at first. We don't really see robots that have extraordinary strength of durability over humans, and the military lady rips off a robot's head with ease in another scene. Why not just tell some guy to choke it out and be done with it?
these aren't plot holes. hell, all of them were explained or shown in the movie (that you apparently didn't watch) although your last point i kind of agree with
black people don't give a shit about sci fi or fantasy. sure some do but the vast majority doesn't. most browns don't care about it either
nerdy white guys and Asians, that's the core audience. that's virtually it and it's not like they're going to see this because it's derivative with ESG casting.
you make it "inclusive" and you lose them
>black people don't give a shit about sci fi or fantasy. sure some do but the vast majority doesn't. most browns don't care about it either
>nerdy white guys and Asians, that's the core audience. that's virtually it and it's not like they're going to see this because it's derivative with ESG casting.
>you make it "inclusive" and you lose them
You have a good point, but that's not the only reason this movie failed. It looks boring and derivative and Washington a bad actor.
But yeah, guys (even black/brown guys) might skip a movie if they think it's ESG-covered shit.
That's the thing, WOMEN really care about representation. Guys don't. I like Blade and I like Conan because of their ACTIONS and ABILITIES. I don't want to BE them.
Put representation in women's movies. But the problem with that is that women really like to see themselves.
>That's the thing, WOMEN really care about representation. Guys don't.
This.
>women really like to see themselves
so you are saying women are narcissistic creatures incapable of enjoy movies unless the protagonist have a superficil physical resemblance on her?
holy ESL
>Put representation in women's movies.
Please fricking don't.
t. foid
does anyone have that meme of women saying representation is important and men just going frick yeah goku is literally me?
Saw this today. Bog-standard story but nice visuals and some pretty solid emotional moments at the end. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.
>>it barely made 5 million opening day
Cuz it looks boring as hell.
Denzel's son...not a good actor. No emotion.
This looks very similar to many many stories we have already seen.
>What if racism but robots
What a deep and original concept
>black person on the poster
big red flag. Wont be watching
I try not to give money to white or ~~*white*~~ nepo-babies. A black nepo-baby will not change that.
Visually the trailer made it look appealing, but it looked like the plot was going to head into a lame "actually we can't kill the robots because..." sort of civil rights allegory. As a human being I want to see the humans annihilate the robots with no remorse, child robot or not. If it's not what I think it is, then maybe I'll see it some time.
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no Black folk for me thanks
That's a "plot hole" to you? There are any number of explanations for why that might be the case. It's immaterial to the story, we also don't see the UK's response as the United States' closest ally. So what?
Something not being explored is certainly not indicative of a plot hole. You have been watching far too much Mauler.
frick it im saying it
Black folk
Dubs of truth. Never going to watch this shite.
straight white male fragility: the pic
isnt it the opposite?
why would it be?
Leftists sure do love to project emotions onto their ideological opponents. He's not interested in watching globohomosexual shite. You, predictably, are attempting to spin this non-compliance into some sort of weakness.
the image clearly states his strong and non-conforming beliefs and he posts it with full confidence despite mentally ill (most of transBlack folk like you were abused as a child - thats a scientific fact) losers like you just tweaking to tell him how he's the worst human being alive for merely wanting the best for his people
if the image was swapped to "protect" black heritage/culture you'd clap so hard your hands would bleed
Sorry, you can beg and plead and cajole all you want. But I'm just not gonna watch it haha.
And nothing was lost.
Neither am I.
>straight white male fragility: the pic
Most people in the world, male and female, don't find that content appealing.
But yes, if you need more data points, let's keep doing it another few years and see how we do.
>straight white male fragility: the pic
Why pander to people who never seem to buy or support anything enough to make it successful. Seems like projection to me.
how is media supposed to stop their fanbases from being annoying and easily triggered morons? I hate the 40k fanbase with a passion for being autistic idiots who go full rage mode over pointless shit, but that doesn't mean I don't like the universe. This pic has a good spirit but half the points are just unreasonable autism from a teenager, the Mario example makes me think a 12 year old made it.
Yeah obviously if you followed it all you couldn't watch anything. It's just a fun meme to let people know I noticed the bullshit more than anything. Maybe it gets someone to think about what they are watching and what the people making it are thinking and trying to get you to think. That's the best I can hope for.
cringiest af.
I’m not watching a movie with goatse on the poster
OH SHIT, you're right. My bad dude, damn. I gotcha, yea the bad world building is a "plot hole," gotcha.
You should seriously have a nice day. Nomad flying around unabated is fricking insane. You can say it’s not a “plot hole” but it’s absolutely dog shit writing. Wtf is the UK doing in all this? If the whole world wanted to stop 1 nation from destroying mankind they would be wiped off the map.
Yea, and what's up with India? Terrible writing they didn't include any of our Pajeet friends. Damn...shit writing not to include Estonia's response either. I like how you took my sarcasm and expanded upon it, brilliant stuff.
But then the other guy offered a lore-ready explanation for what happened to China that I think also satisfies the disqualifier for "plot hole" so either way, you're fricking wrong. Stop calling shit plot holes that aren't. That simple.
Now, cope and seethe while trashing up film discussions with such dumb and uninformed opinions.
>all Asian countries, ones which have long histories of conflict with each other are united under one banner because all all Asians are the same
The movie was surprisingly racist foran "America bad" movie.
I think it's pretty clear that in The Creator WW3 happened and a US-led coalition won while a Chinese-led coalition lost.
>Central and SE Asia all look like impoverished bombed out hellholes
>Central and SE Asia still use synths and AI's likely because postwar economy is shit and to spite the West
>"The West" (according to the film) uses NOMAD with impunity over Asia, only real opposition is domestic protestors.
>US ally Japan appears to have exerted a sphere of influence over the continent and has the dominant language
You can make up explanations but there's shockingly little depth to the film. If the characters weren't such Avatar-tier basic shit I'd give them the benefit of doubt but I just don't think Gareth Edwards is very good at solid world building.
Yeah for me this was his last chance to prove he wasnt just a nepo-baby. Literally every film I've seen him in he's turned in the same "street" performance and been overshadowed by his co-star
>Adam Driver in Blackkklansman
>Robert Pattinson in Tenet
>zendaya in that B&W lockdown movie
Even in this one the little girl was a better actor than he was.
Does Africa have any stories of a warrior male escorting a female child?
I would bet my right testicle (non-female) that it doesn't.
Ipso Fatso, Black folk are a figment of the israeli imagination.
That's a bizarre part of the setting, not a plot hole. I think it's clear that in this universe something awful happened to China and Southeast Asia given that Japanese is the only language spoken on the whole continent now.
The kid would eventually be able to stop Nomad, but because of the raid at the start of the movie she was released from safety too soon to be able to do it from Earth. She still plays an important part in its destruction
Kid could have been captured dead or alive. They likely tried to interrogate her while she was in captivity.
The only people who knew he was a traitor who hates them was killed in the monastery. The soldiers who brought Joshua and the kid in thought he was just doing his mission.
The ship's lax security was lame and robbed us of potentially cool action scenes. Not a plot hole.
There's a lot to complain about with the movie but the story is sound.
Ahh, I forgot that the only people who knew he defected were the strike team. I had just figured she would have informed the upper command that Joshua had defected when she said they needed to "call the cavalry in"
I agree though, perhaps not a plot hole. A bit of a contrivance though. The most important weapon was in the hands of a defector, I think it's safe to assume she would have relayed that information to the general so the fact she DIDN'T is a "contrivance" to me.
As for why they didn't kill the kid immediately, I think interrogation is a flimsy justification. She was EVERYTHING and they were so close to ending the war. If you've got the only thing that can destroy NOMAD in your possession....yea.
That being said, I don't think strategic blunders are necessarily plot holes but it would have been much stronger if Joshua and the girl never got caught. It just sets up a number of fairly implausible circumstances in order to get them up to NOMAD.
>Ahh, I forgot that the only people who knew he defected were the strike team. I had just figured she would have informed the upper command that Joshua had defected when she said they needed to "call the cavalry in"
No way she would have left it to chance. Plot hole.
>Japanese is the only language spoken on the whole continent
The good ending.
It was shocking how rushed the last 20 minutes of the film was. Half the movie felt like it was just them zipping from one location to another but then they ramped it up to 11 so he could destroy the space station
yeah they even split them up and by the time I finished thinking to myself 'oh good separation will be refreshing' they're already back in the same room rescuing the kid. they so effortlessly traverse physical space, high stakes threats and logistical hurdles that the resolution feels extra contrived and lame
>n-
Err I mean diverse protagonist is a turn off for me. For some reason I like Wesley Snipes and Denzel movies though.
I don’t watch any media heavily featuring Black folk or other shitskins.
This is one film I think would've fared better had it been a trilogy. There's a lot of worldbuilding, characters and set ups that get rushed and/or glossed over because it's trying to wrap it all up at the end.
Apparently the original cut was over five hours long.
>Apparently the original cut was over five hours long.
Sounds like a shit script
Even the original cut of fellowship of the ring was only 4 and a half wasn't it?
I also find it hard to believe that the finished product wasn't Gareth Edwards' preferred own version when 3 hour blockbuster movies are so prevalent now (bond, Avatar 2, batman, endgame) and they really pushed this movie as the next film from the "visionary" rogue one guy.
>Even the original cut of fellowship of the ring was only 4 and a half wasn't it?
Yeah from a much longer book. I mean how do you as an established director make a 5 hour cut from an original script? Sounds to me like you completely fricked up and don't know how to write a tight script.
This is just my thinking but I don't believe Edwards is a very good storyteller but he's failed up.
I can't say anything for Monsters as I haven't seen it but Godzilla 2014 was badly written with redundant characters an a gary stu main guy (it just had a finale people really liked), Rogue One was such a mess Disney had to call in Tony Gilroy to fix it. And now this.
He's like Neil Blomkamp where he's good at using CGI but he can't write for shit. But even Blomkamp had District 9 (which The Creator feels like a ripoff of in places)
>I can't say anything for Monsters as I haven't seen it but Godzilla 2014 was badly written with redundant characters an a gary stu main guy (it just had a finale people really liked), Rogue One was such a mess Disney had to call in Tony Gilroy to fix it. And now this.
>He's like Neil Blomkamp where he's good at using CGI but he can't write for shit.
I can totally see that. These guys should not be directors, they should be an effects supervisor at best. Villeneuve would make an excellent cinematographer to a better director.
Assembly cuts are not real "first cuts", they are literally every scene thrown into the edit
>Assembly cuts are not real "first cuts", they are literally every scene thrown into the edit
Yeah but how did he even have 5 hours of an assembly cut.
EVERY SCENE FROM THE WHAT? from the what? The SCREENPLAY
Sound like Zack Snyder syndrome, tons of details, most are irrelevant
How did they catch footage of his wife on a recording where they specifically say she's human and not an Android (although how would they know that) when his wife has been in a coma for 5 years?
I'm almost certain I missed a throwaway line of
>"oh that's just what we WANTED you to think"
Since so much other stuff was ADR'd in like Quantumania
Joshua says to the Colonel in the temple "you lied to me!"
I would suppose it's to be assumed the hologram was faked? I don't know.
>black MC
They should knnow better
not even polposting but i'm never getting tricked into watching a movie starring denzel's son ever again, probably the most flagrant act of nepotism ever again. i'd honestly respect him if he became such a singularly horrible actor as an act of protest against his extremely talented father. i would call him one note but giving him the credit of being able to hit a note is far more than he deserves
*the most flagrant act of nepotism I've ever seen, sorry im moronic
>not even polposting but i'm never getting tricked into watching a movie starring denzel's son ever again, probably the most flagrant act of nepotism ever again
Yeah he's horrible. I mean don't know him as a person, but just a horrible, wooden actor. Not good. Shit. Complete garbage. Waaaay worse than Keanu who is a bad actor.
Keanu even knows he's such a shit actor he cut like half his dialogue from JW4 even though it hurt the film.
This guy is gonna get another 3 or 4 chances no doubt
>Keanu even knows he's such a shit actor he cut like half his dialogue from JW4 even though it hurt the film.
>This guy is gonna get another 3 or 4 chances no doub
I don't think so. This is already a small budget sci-fi at $80M, it has a $20M? opening which is complete shit. How much lower can he go? A24? Maybe. But big budget? Don't think so.
Tenet was pretty successful for a pandemic-era film and Hollywood will forgive a flop on a sci-fi not based on an established IP. Plus nepotism plus black.
He'll be around for a while. He wasn't good in this movie. He got out-acted by the kid.
>Tenet was pretty successful for a pandemic-era film and Hollywood will forgive a flop on a sci-fi not based on an established IP. Plus nepotism plus black.
>He'll be around for a while. He wasn't good in this movie. He got out-acted by the kid.
Yeah we might see him again but maybe one more shot. Again it's a low budget (relatively) sci-fi and it's a total bomb.
I mean yesterday Paw Patrol beat it, as did Saw X (no stars). That's not a good sign for an actor.
Hey PAW Patrol's unironically the least shit superhero film if the year
PAW patrol is a powerhouse
Yep
Guy can be in a movie with only 1 other actor (Zendaya) and he still gets overshadowed. Blackkklansman was a fricking Spike Lee joint entirely meant to sell him as a super cool leading man and Adam Driver fricking wiped the floor with him
Don't you think they'll blame the writer's strike for hurting the box office?
>Don't you think they'll blame the writer's strike for hurting the box office?
They can try but the The Nun2 made $73M so far, even Saw X will make more on a low budget 10th installment of a horror movie. Running out of excuses.
>Keanu even knows he's such a shit actor he cut like half his dialogue from JW4 even though it hurt the film.
Yeah he knows his limitations. Nice guy, pretty wooden actor. A lot of actors/actresses are one note, at least Keanu can play angry action guy. Washington can't even do that.
I made one last night when I got back from walking out of it.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/190438646/#190438646
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It took The Aviators logo and font and I don't watch movie starring black people.
it looks like a movie made by ai that just recycled existing concept art and footage from better scfi classics
Like Star Wars was literally just a derivation of the Hero's Journey? Like how Lucas was directly influenced by Kurosawa? Did he just recycle ideas from "better classics?"
You could argue he did, but I would argue that would make your criticism of The Creator not a criticism at all since Star Wars is one of the most culturally significant and impactful films of all time.
Difference between "inspired by" and "ripped off"
I kept thinking throughout the movie why did Star Was (ANH not RO) work when this didn't even tho they're both such special effects heavy stories with basic good vs evil storylines
I think it's the characters. Luke, Leia, Vader, Han fricking C3PO are all much more interesting than whatever the frick this movie had
>I kept thinking throughout the movie why did Star Was (ANH not RO) work when this didn't even tho they're both such special effects heavy stories with basic good vs evil storylines
>I think it's the characters. Luke, Leia, Vader, Han fricking C3PO are all much more interesting than whatever the frick this movie had
Well yeah Rogue One was taking a missing piece of the Death Star that everyone that watched SW was missing.
I mean everyone saw Last Jedi, Rian Johnson hasn't had a big budget movie since (2017 release).
Certainly, they had much more chemistry than this cast of characters. Absolutely, and while Hamill isn't good in ANH, he's so young and idealistic that it fits. The characters all fit their archetypes properly...this one splits the difference between geopolitical realism and science fiction epic. A New Hope was all mythological science fiction epic, and also the idea just BLEW people away back then.
But you're right, even from the broadest perspective, Star Wars was always a bit tighter. But it's also not fair to apply 2001 level sci-fi standards to something that is trying to BE a "star wars on earth"
Honestly I’m just not interested in ‘macguffin special power’ characters in sci fi anymore. I haven’t seen the movie, but this nomad thing seems to essentially be a Death Star stand in, where it’s ‘exhaust port’ is actually in the form of this girl having powers in a sci fi setting for some reason. It works in Star Wars because it’s a fairy tale and the force is basically magic/mysticism/religious faith, but those kinds of powers don’t work with ‘scientific’ explanations. I prefer sci fi stories like the mars trilogy, if any of you have read it, where all the characters are just normal people in an ensemble cast, doing what they can within the bounds of their technological prowess and human ingenuity/creativity. It makes their successes have more weight.
>it barely made 5 million opening day
Blacks dont buy movie tickets
>new "original " (derivative) scifi movie is out by the director of Rogue One
And that´s supposed to mean something? Rogue one is generic disney shit. You can tell mostly nothing about authorial style from that kind of mass produced crap. Come back once you can call the guy by name and that instantly generates some kind of expectation.
Both this and Rogue Moon look like they were literally made by some AI algorithm.
Completely soulless bland and uninspired mix of shit done better elsewhere. Stock lines, stock situations, stock everything.
>Both this and Rogue Moon look like they were literally made by some AI algorithm.
>Completely soulless bland and uninspired mix of shit done better elsewhere. Stock lines, stock situations, stock everything.
It looks like the robots were directly used from the Rogue One set.
Really should have been a Black Mirror ep and that would have been fine.
Yeah I couldn't get over just how soulless everything was. Like what a machine would THINK an action blockbuster should include.
Now I'm wondering whether Edwards and Weitz's script actually was written by chat GPT as some sort of gimmick to be revealed later but it's backfired that 1. The writers strike is specifically afraid of and 2. From the preview screenings first reactions the word was the writing was shit
the movie's plot literally reads like one of those "we fed an AI language model every piece of X media and here's what it made" youtube videos, with the AI fodder being every sci-fi movie with a human-acting robot, every Vietnam and War on Terror movie, and Avatar
>-the word
lol, you were influenced. It's funny cause every plot hole that was brought up in this thread has been shot down fairly easily. No one has been able to say "why the writing was shit" but they just keep repeating "the writing was shit."
It's almost like you all want this to be The Last Jedi so badly but are waiting on Mauler's review to really say anything with confidence.
It was soulless anon. It's OK if you liked it but it's a movie that will be forgotten in a week.
>bland forgettable characters on par with Avatar
>Vietnam/communism war allegory 40 years too late
>lifts shit from other scifi and cyberpunk properties while not doing anything interesting of its own
Its not a flat out terrible movie but it's completely forgettable and exactly what you expect from Disney in 2023
Aka: soulless
>soulless
It was the opposite though
Blacks and robots don't have souls.
I appreciate your response, and that's fair.
But in my opinion, I would say the Vietnam parallels are only aesthetic. This actually felt more like a post-9/11 allegory and the War on Terror.
I would say that Alphie, the little girl, wasn't a bland or forgettable character but yes, many others are. Though, I did like the Colonel a lot. Her line delivery, passion and emotion are conveyed well.
While you're correct that the film does lift many ideas from other cyberpunk properties, of course it did. Every work of art takes from other works, and even the "original works" are derivative of oral traditions and such.
What this does that is unique and interesting is how it tackles the alignment problem of AI, albeit from an emotional rather than scientific perspective.
Granted, again it's not hard sci-fi but the themes and metaphor is rife throughout the film.
>we shouldn't use words because....just because OK!
Sounds a lot like onions tbh
You should choose your words a bit more carefully so that you can convey better opinions to the world. Words are tools for communicating ideas. Your idea was stupendously stupid.
To even suggest my reply was "..just because!" is so condemningly stupid.
Most modern sci-fi in general is boring and ugly to look at. Just look at the video game Starfield.
It feels like every sci-fi story has the same look for technology made by the same designer.
Hahaha
the last third of the movie being nothing but imagery and scenes lifted wholesale from other, much better movies was so fricking jarring. I don't think the writer had a single original thought after the protagonist gets captured by the Japanese robot
Why was there Japanese text everywhere and why is this such a common trope in sci-fi?
Blade runner, cyberpunk 2077, etc
In the 80s people thought Japan was going to take over the world with it's technology so that seeped into cyberpunk/sci fi stories. And also Star Wars had some Japanese inspired aesthetics too.
It's an outdated notion now because Japan is a greying population that's economy crashed decades ago but it's so deeply ingrained in the genre now thanks to Star Wars, Blade Runner etc. But then Japan has kind of been replaced by China and South Korea in that department so the "dystopian Asia-dominated future" is still relevant I guess.
It's even there in Back to the Future which is another massive 80s film. In the sequel, future Marty works for a Japanese company and his boss is Japanese. At least in America that was part of the subconscious.
>And also Star Wars had some Japanese inspired aesthetics too.
Now so, more than ever, even the fricked up aspect ratio and complete lack of scale. All it needs now...
is mecha.
So...wtf is NOMAD? Orbital nuke platform? Does it scare America because it threatens to nuke them again? And why does the nuke look so shit in the trailers? I mean, yea Garret, I get the 80 mil budget, but frick, a fricking transpose over one of the Teapot tests from 1955?
Did you watch the movie yet?
Strongly debating in the negative. Feels like a black Babylon A.D. with anime themes.
>Babylon A.D.
i enjoyed the missile cgi scene.
yo is that kawhi
I feel like a few years ago, something as derivative and cliche would get trashed more by critics (just look at all the matrix rip offs). this one has a fresh rating, wtf?
Look at the poster.
Black person means +50%
Critics tend to weigh different elements of a film differently than general audience members.
> black lead.
Frick that shit. Enough already.
I don’t watch new movies staring Blacks.
I've seen it
Ironically it felt like a movie that was written by A.I.
It had a very generic plot.
And the visuals were also basic generic Art Station Concept Art.
Also the story felt like A.I propoganda.
Because the Pavlovian-capeshit munchers don't know how to react to original content
I will watch it because of your thread
Great. Get a few million others to do the same and it might mean something
save the money, somewhere has it up online probably
Anyone else get Starcraft siege tank vibes from the tank the US had? Would post a pic but apparently none exist.
yeah that super giant tank that got destroyed by a single little magnetic mine triggered by a literal monkey was so cool
Wait, does an entire audience (or even countries for that matter) skip out because of the race of the main character?
Yes. Let them develop their own universe.
>The current state of the Anglosphere
Are they not doing that now?
Are you a literal, actual bot? Are you Nirmata?
Why would I watch a movie that is made to celebrate everything that isn't my own people and culture to the detriment of my own? When it's not even a good movie, I've watched propaganda shlock before because it's actually good. This is not good and propaganda. Sorry I'm just not going to watch it haha.
...so Triumph of the Will is the only thing you watch?
You can't spend years telling people representation matters and then be surprised when people take on that narcissistic behavior.
To answer your question directly: yes. If it wasn't for a few black-worshipping countries, The Little Mermaid remake would've been a disaster for Disney. This is a nationality not ethnicity, but didn't China force Marvel to cast a non-Asian person as The Ancient One specifically to avoid any possible reference to Tibet? On the flip side, something tells me if there were more black people in the NHL or Nascar, blacks would start caring more about those sports.
>This is a nationality not ethnicity, but didn't China force Marvel to cast a non-Asian person as The Ancient One specifically to avoid any possible reference to Tibet?
I remember listening to an interview with one of the writers (Cargill) way back around the time the movie was coming out, but basically he said he had a bunch of considerations including not wanting to piss off China but also not wanting to create the whole mystical wise Asian monk stereotype.
He then also (sort of) walked back the statement in another interview saying that it was just his own take and not necessarily one of the studio.
To me it kind of speaks to a big problem with how Hollywood handles diversity. In truth it doesn't really please the supposed target audience either because it's a bunch of disconnected White liberals writing in a way they think minorities/other nationalities want to be represented. It's like how that Mulan remake didn't have a single Asian in their writing staff (or you know, maybe did some basic research) so of course they couldn't even nail the basics of what "qi" is and they just wrote it like it's some kind of superhero magic power. Or the common thing you hear where Latinos actually fricking love Speedy Gonzales.
Some people don't have the sense to distinguish between lovable stereotypes and offensive ones.
>hollywood handles diversity
You understand there is a format and depiction standards of disenfranchised classes that every scene and placement of characters is combed through to ensure equitable treatment, and that’s why theres a writing room, right? The depiction of minorities and women lack verisimilitude because they are roles written for white men
Diversity, or what-have-you, is handled bureaucratically. It often feels odd because it's measured and metered and not organically come about.
That's not to say it wasn't done so in the past, but it's almost become that the movie is the vehicle for it, rather than the movie just having characters of such-and-such.
2 movies I don't watch:
>It was time travel all along!
>wHat iF rObEts GoT rACiSmEd??
the scene where robots were warming their hands with fire really annoyed me.
Like, robots dont feel warm or cold.
lmao they also are smoking a hookah later on. A bit of a goofy "touch"
I'm never gonna watch this. Just spoil me WHY the robots nuked us, or was it a government false flag all along?
The latter. NOMAD is their Global Enforcement protocol.
It's revealed partway from the movie that the nuke was a result of a coding error by humans that the US blamed on AI
By far the weakest part of the movie. One of 2 (two) big mysteries from the start of the movie and it's resolved with a wet fart.
And it was delivered outta nowhere in context. Like they're on the boat, discussing where they're going and Watanabe just says "do you know why they blamed us for the Nuke" or some shit
Yep. Just fricking awful.
I get that the West are the bad guys in the film, but it is taken to comedic extremes with their incompetence. We've had nukes for almost 80 years now with no incidents, and somehow an oopsie results in one of the biggest population centers in the world getting nuked in fricking 2065?
It's just a joke. You are forced to ignore that shit to appreciate the movie.
>LA nuked
>2065
Bit late tbqh.
I also like how Joshua had virtually no reaction to this revelation. Not even mild shock.
To be completely fair, he had already been lied to a ton of times and was completely disillusioned with the US Army/government at that point.
Is the big bad an evil white guy?
It's extremely anti-Semitic. It hates Israel.
i don't watch movies with Black person leads (im not racist, i like them in other roles) and i'm guessing most people here don't either.
A derivative of a derivative of a derivative, unless you’re a pioneer. The ‘epic’ sci-fi genre is becoming capeshit. I will still watch this one, though.
Wait so you’re telling me a giant flying space station nuked Los Angeles……..and then later the USA is STILL using the space station that nuked one of their own cities? How was NOMAD not nuked from orbit the minute it nuked LA what the frick?
NOMAD doesn't drop nukes and didn't nuke LA. Watch the movie.
Yeah that's not gonna happen chief.
I saw a clip on YouTube and a little dog grabs a bomb and drops in on the robots. Why did the robots not shoot the dog right as it got out the shed with a bomb in its mouth? That scene looked so stupid I decided not to watch the movie.
It is very heavily implied that the dog is a robot that the child (who has an ability to control all technology remotely) compels to move the grenade. The robots don't shoot the dog because their consciousness is copied from humans and very very few humans would shoot a dog while performing law enforcement (they're not the Waco ATF).
> The robots don't shoot the dog because their consciousness is copied from humans and very very few humans would shoot a dog while performing law enforcement
> Asian people
> have a consciousness
Did you know Chinese people grind and snort dinosaur fossils?
>very very few humans would shoot a dog while performing law enforcement
...abandon thread
>whole thread
Frick Gareth and frick him for being a Neil rip off.
How did the robots not see the dog was holding the very bomb they threw in the shed 2 seconds ago?
They thought it was just a chew toy that happened to look like their bomb.
Why are the robots stupid?
Because the script needed them to be.
>chinese
>not killing a dog for any reason
Trying to stretch my suspension of disbelief to the max.
Why does the US still use machines when machines nuked their own cities?
>how does this talentless coon keep getting roles
>google him expecting to find out hes the son of the studio exec
>its denzels son
I saw nigs in the trailer I aint watchin
you are racist
I’m going to write a sci fi story that deals with both the emergence of true AI, and the discovery of the existence of aliens, and how humanity and it’s AI progeny become total bros due to the specifics of this situation
Black person!
The trailer looks like every Blender demo made in the last 10 years down to "we're fighting robot armies now"
Washington is a charisma vacuum
>no threads on Cinemaphile
there were a ton of threads shilling edwards latest gay shit; the no talent hack needs to neck himself
For me? It's Robot Overlords (2014)!
>from the director of Star Wars
>poster looks like a video game
Yeah there might be an audience for this but it ain't me. I don't know the director but if you want to sully your career with a franchise payday that's your problem.
Let me guess
>Humans are trying to rationalize exploiting obviously sentient machines because they're their creators
>Machines just want to have rights and a place to live in peace but humans won't let them
This shit is even more played out than zombie movies/shows where humans are the real monsters.
More like "robots pull a skynet, but then go 'muh peaceful coexistence' when humans start btfoing them from low orbit"
movie was so much trash
I could tell it was gonna be shit by the trailer alone
literally nothing that past films already accomplished.
spielberg did it better with his film 20 years ago
looks like three done-to-death plots mashed up together
I'm not even mildly curious about it because it's got black leads, why even bother?
Great visuals, bad rushed screenplay
Worth watching in IMAX just for the visuals
I don't believe you, given that the poster looks like a turd.
homies....uggh, no more homies pls in sci fi or fantasy.
I feel bad because part the reason all we get is reboots and remakes and soulless adaptations is because no one watches big budget original films anymore.
But the big budget original films they put out look fricking shit.
I'm so sick of
>AI is...LE GOOD AND HUMAN
It's a robot. Frick off. An ant has more value than a robot.
dirt has more value than a robot. actually, dirt is very valuable.
Looks Woke.
brown people in space and the future and shiet? Are there food and toilets though?
>blacks in a sci fi environment
I'm out at a glance frick that shit
The amount of money Hollywood is losing on every project with one of them is hilarious
THE
Black person
I saw it tonight. I liked it. Got a bit tedious in the middle when there was a bunch of violence that was well done, but repetitive and got a little boring. But over all everything else was great. Not super original, but done very well for what it is. Visuals and world building were A+. It just should have been 15 minutes shorter. Also the ending could have been better. But it wasn't a bad ending. It was also a little too sentimental and anti-american to the point of getting silly. They could have given more credit to the other side of the argument, that they really are just unconscious machines playing a role, and then left it as an open question. But over all it achieved something really unique. It's like an anime film in real life with great effects, except done so much better than all the other attempts so far.
Yea, if people want to criticize the premise and say they could have done more, sure. But to act like this film doesn't have a unique take on the subject are absolutely blinded by their own radicalization of art or bias towards the technology itself.
I legitimately thought this and Rebel Moon were the same thing for years lol
What's with all the derivative gritty faux-Star Wars shit all of a sudden
How long do you think they will continue shoving subhumans in our faces before their love of shekels overrides their hatred of humanity?
>BMAF
not watching it
I've never seen a BMAF in real life but it's like a quarter of relationship in media. I have seen asians with black guys but its those ratchet asians filled with tats and can OD at any moment so those dont count
Folx dont want to watch black people doing stuff
>John David Washington
Has there been a bigger father-son downgrade in history than Denzel to that walking charisma vacuum?
will smith to jaden smith is definitely worse but this comes close.
spoil it for me
whos the creator?
I don't want to SEE ugly people in movies. Why the hell would I PAY to see ugly people?
So you've never bought a mirror?
Look at that, a real redditor out in the wild
Chinese-tier opinion.
Well, it's not for me, but I at least commend them for making something original.
I love SF but just looking at the poster tells me all I need to know about the movie. Blue LED light, generic clothing, a robot kid.... there will be nothing new or interesting In this movie
i see a black in the trailer, i don't watch.
Simple as.
>Black on cover
>scifi setting
lmao
i'm not the target audience clearly. they made sure of that by basically saying representation matters. guess i was wrong watching fresh prince and other stuff all the years in the past, its not for me.
You're not the target audience of anything but Russian propaganda, tubby.
Tyler is in Star Wars?
The trailer for this pissed me off
>humanity is.... LE BAD?!
>AI is..... LE GOOD?!
Maybe he should have created a good movie.
is that a black person? Theres your answer. The fatigue is at peak
it was fricking boring and i understood none of it.
maybe im too dumb for new scifimovies or they simply suck and cant hold my attention for long.
such a gay movie dunno why the black guy wanted to see his dead wife so much
best scifi movie since the matrix
It's by 20th Century Studios, so does that mean it's a Disney movie?
Subsidiary of Disney, yes.
>AI is actually good haha they're people too and what if AI was a cute Asian kid lol then wouldn't AI be cool and good? I love AI haha
That’s how much hatred these writers have for AI.
are there people really rooting against the success of sci fi kino because the leads are non-whites?
>sci-fi kino
>modern day pozfest
I don't think it's possible to make good sci-fi antymore.
80m budget
worldwide opening weekend is only 32m, its over
cult classic. blade runner.
The Budhist vietnamese robot angle is cool but y'know
I have a book on Buddhism. Should I read the book? I do try and read Nietszche's Beyond Good and Evil but can't really understand it.
Every single White person in this movie is a villain, aren't they?
All but one, the friend to black guy in OP (who dies).
because Black folk
plot looks painfully generic and predictable
looks interesting enough to watch at home but not to pay movie tickets for
>brown, grey, muddy aesthetic
>all tech is ugly and functionalist
Every fricking sci-fi movie today looks like this, even Star Wars. Hollywood is creatively bankrupt.