I can't really get over the "ughh I can't fit in i'm too weird unlike the pretty girl" plot when A) the MC isn't even that ugly and B) the 'normal' humans are more disgusting and freakish than she is like that motherfricker that looks like luigi had sex with a mop
I can't get over the premise of "Oh no, I'm actually a monstergirl and people will hate me!" set in the modern era. If you could turn into a dragon or a sea monster people would think that shit was fricking cool. I understand this setup is really just a metaphor for general body image issues, but damn man, put a better spin on it. Either set it in a time and place where it makes sense (a dragon girl in medieval times, a dog girl in a Chinese restaurant), or make the characters genuinely threatening looking when they transform.
The movie is a steaming pile of shit. This said, young girls obsess over imaginary flaws all the time or get bullied over unusual but attractive features (like red hair), and most people would crap their pants in fear if they encountered a giant ass squid (or anything "alien" looking) even if it's technically a cute girl. That's also a smart move in-universe because giant Ruby clearly can't control her strength and keeps stepping into cars and shit.
Back in middle and high school there was a girl in my class who was made fun of for having large breasts. The strange thing was some guys made fun of her too.
>I understand this setup is really just a metaphor for general body image issue
What makes this moronic is that there's nothing 'wrong' with her default form. She's not too tall or too short, she doesnt have a israelite nose or buck teeth, she doesn't have a disproportionate body either
I like it. I expected from the first trailer that she was just gonna be a bully through the whole movie, but making her a manipulator who actually wants her to become a kraken so she can fight her is a better idea.
These type of interactions will also make the shippers go off.
Its either they were planning on marketing it as a best friends comedy only to reveal Chelsea being evil as a twist but decided to market the film as an action movie thus spoiling that twist in the process
OR
Chelsea isn't evil
I say they'll split the difference. Chelsea is indeed as evil as we've been led to believe, but after their big fight, Ruby feels bad and offers to be friends with her again.
My prediction is she IS evil but also genuinely wants to be friends with Ruby and tempt her to the dark side but the protagonist Uno Reverses her into a good girl by the end.
I say they'll split the difference. Chelsea is indeed as evil as we've been led to believe, but after their big fight, Ruby feels bad and offers to be friends with her again.
My prediction is she IS evil but also genuinely wants to be friends with Ruby and tempt her to the dark side but the protagonist Uno Reverses her into a good girl by the end.
There was an Anon saying he saw an early trailer (before we got an actual one) that suggested the unlikely friendship comedy routine
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/133808410/#133811893
It might have been slightly more interesting if they marketed the film as being a coming of age friendship story then keep Chelsea being evil a secret.
I think they made that at the forefront to market it as a jab toward Disney ala Shrek considering The Little Mermaid remake was supposed to be their big summer release and play into it with that one ad of Chelsea saying "I'm not evil Ruby, I'm just misunderstood" in light of people being sick of sympathetic villains and the sudden popularity of Big Jack Horner
Wouldn't be surprised if it was a last minute decision
I'm of the belief that modern artists working in Hollywood are hyper aware of all the shipping fandoms and purposely insert "cute" moments between certain characters because they personally like it and they're also trying to appease to the shipping fandom. Like, they're trying to do what anime and manga does in terms of fan service, but they want to be more """"discreet""" about it. It's the only explanation why they would have Sam and Guy from Green Eggs & Ham have a shit ton of "cute moments" together.
>Like, they're trying to do what anime and manga does in terms of fan service, but they want to be more """"discreet""" about it.
Anime/manga already do this when it comes to LGBT relationships, you'll notice how a lot of "gay rep" boil down to just small displays of affection or minor crushes but rarely, if ever, outright kissing or major romamce.
You're crazy. There's nothing cute about a teen girl being groomed by an evil old hag who wants to steel her grandma's macguffin. Yurigays are mentally ill.
well, anon there's also the fact teen girls do like to be chummy with one another. It's just now that gays are more mainstream, fondness for one another can be seen as gay. Happened with moon girl too and the creators already said that's platonic.
If they really wanted to commit to a true subversion then they should have made the krakens the giant fabulous bearded whales they were originally described to be in the first sightings.
I mostly care about this movie for the hot redhead, so I'll just wait until the fandom hopefully really kicks in and by God I hope there's some solo stuff and it isn't all just focusing on her being with the kraken or something like that.
I don't think it's actually lesbians or anything, that's just something people on here have latched on to.
Still think she'll be pure evil but maybe there will be a scene by the end where Ruby tells Chelsea she doesn't have to be what her family forces her to do either
Patiently waiting for the day when the most someone can say about a new animated thing coming out isn't "omg, adorable!" or "the feels!" or "comfy af".
>cute clip comes out >”UGH, where are the posts writing essays on the themes and how it comments on the human condition?”
If you’re so fricking concerned, you figure out the deep inner layers for us to discuss
Mental gymnastics. The themes showcased are pretty one-dimensional and bare-bones, if you're honestly titillated by this kind of social commentary you literally are probably at least slightly mentally moronic.
>every film has to have deep complicated themes because I’m an autist
Not asking for deeply complicated themes, just y'know, some cinematic variety. I think the autists are the ones who gobble this "comfy" shit up. You're the ones who need animation to be your security blanket. Animation will never be cinema as long as it keeps catering to you morons.
>just y'know, some cinematic variety
That’s just so fricking vague, you already have PIB and ATSV for some variety, what’s the harm in a movie with fun characters/interactions? Not every movie needs to be a cinematic masterpiece to be good
Mental gymnastics. The themes showcased are pretty one-dimensional and bare-bones, if you're honestly titillated by this kind of social commentary you literally are probably at least slightly mentally moronic.
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Not asking for deeply complicated themes, just y'know, some cinematic variety. I think the autists are the ones who gobble this "comfy" shit up. You're the ones who need animation to be your security blanket. Animation will never be cinema as long as it keeps catering to you morons.
Based. I'm tired of this "le whacky cartoony" 3D animation, I need marvelous and innovative things in visual terms like TLW (what a contrast between that one into this thing...) and ATSV.
Ruby Gillman is premiering at Annecy right now. Someone can drop a spoiler or two about the film. Is there a genuine friendship between Ruby and Chelsea?
People at Annecy aren't the type who go to comic-con and can spoil stuff, they mostly respect the NDA and don't talk a lot. They saw 90% of the turtles movie yesterday and nobody said anything about the plot. They're all animation nerds, not people wanting the next scoop.
At first, it seems like redhead feels bad for Ruby (pic related). But then she turns into a typical manipulative popular girl type by the end. Not sure what they're going for here.
Maybe at first she's manipulating Ruby - for the trident - but then she will gain feelings for her in a classic liar revealed dreamworks plot.
There'll be this scene where Ruby is like "...Chelsea... you lied to me!?! Grandma was right. Of course a popular mermaid girl would never be real friends with a freak like me! :'( " then Ruby runs away crying and Chelsea is like "Ruby! No! Wait! It's not like that!" Then they will have a montage of them being apart and looking sad/guilty and little things will remind them of each other. Then the big bad grandma will do the big bad thing and Ruby and Chelsea will team up, make up and make out.
Did you miss the trailer where Chelsea gloats about tricking Ruby and then transforms into her evil form? She's also blatantly older than she looks, so if anything, her affection for Ruby would be pseudo-parental.
Literally how and when.
She's like "I'm not evil, I'm just pretty!" when she transforms into the evil kaiju form, clearly mocking Ruby (and the viewers) who believed in her innocence, then she wrecks some shit and terrorizes humans, so Ruby (later joined by her mom and grandmama) has to fight her in what looks like the movie's climactic battle. When exactly does she turn good?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's so funny how so many people completely ignore the "and misunderstood" line when she said the "I'm not evil" thing.
Based on this new clip, I got the theory that when Chelsea was young, she got bullied for her fish tail. Thus she learned to get used to having legs and become prettier, to manipulate humans into liking her. Thus when she transfered to a new school, she was super popular. But she knew, based on their interaction with Ruby, that these humans are just as bad as the bullies in her home town.
Thus she wants to gain power to take control of the human world to make the racism against merfolk go away and wishes for Ruby to join her, as she sees herself in Ruby.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's so funny how so many people completely ignore the fact that Chelsea is identical to the evil mermaid queen from the mural thing. She's probably way too old to care about all this petty teenage drama. >Thus she wants to gain power to take control of the human world to make the racism against merfolk go away
Except humans adore mermaids and Chelsea the human, as was pointed out and shown many times in the trailers. The only people who hate mermaids are the krakens, or maybe it's just Ruby's grandmama. >and become prettier, to manipulate humans into liking her.
Going by the mural, all mermaids are naturally hot and only turn a bit uglier when becoming a kaiju, which is exactly what Chelsea wants to do. Your theory doesn't hold water.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's so funny how so many people completely ignore the "and misunderstood" line when she said the "I'm not evil" thing.
Becauae that's clearly meant to be her mocking the people who think all mermaids are like Ariel.
All this is true, but there is something else they could do with this. Both Ruby and Chelsea come from a long legacy of sea folk, one heroic and the other one is evil. They could make the argument that Chelsea is evil because of her family, and just like how Ruby struggles with her family life, so does Chelsea. A neat parallel of two girls trying to find their identity.
Her being as evil as Jack Horner could be good too but there's other places they can take the story.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Her family? I guess so.
One interesting thing about the mural is that although grandmama said that all mermaids are evil, a scene depicted in the mural seems to point to them getting corrupted by the Chelsea-looking mermaid. The mural is simplistic so it's hard to tell, but it kinda looks like the other mermaids are covering their mouths in shock in the part where mermaid queen steals the trident. So it could be that only Chelsea and her prospective ancestors are evil and mermaid racism is unfounded.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's so funny how so many people completely ignore the "and misunderstood" line when she said the "I'm not evil" thing.
Becauae that's clearly meant to be her mocking the people who think all mermaids are like Ariel.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Becauae that's clearly meant to be her mocking the people who think all mermaids are like Ariel.
Is this something that needs to be said? It's one of the common "well actually"s about Disney stuff. Disney already did monster mermaids themselves with Pirates of the Caribbean 4.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Disney already did monster mermaids themselves with Pirates of the Caribbean 4.
I liked that movie. And I liked the priest and the mermaid's subplot together.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's my favorite sequel of the first movie, a shame so many people trashed it. Pirates 5 fricking sucks however.
11 months ago
Anonymous
4 and 5 are both bad. 4 just felt really cheap with the whole "Let's throw out the original supporting cast and Sao Feng's cool map and have voodoo zombies that just look like regular dudes with bad skin" thing while 5 flanderized Jack into the ground and wasted the "Let's check in on how Will's doing with the Flying Dutchman" angle on a fricking cameo in addition to retcons out the ass.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I did miss some of the OG crew like those two pirate comic reliefs, but I never gave a shit about Will and Eliza. The map being burned gave us a very cool scene, and the voodoo zombies aren't too far from how the haunted crew from the first movie was handled.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Gibbs memorizing the maps contents just felt like a really cynical "Yarr, we be too cheap to pay artists to draw new shit onto Sao Feng's map every movie" decision.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think the prop was that expesive, and it was worth it for that big balls moment
>She's also blatantly older than she looks
Are you basing this off of the line "You're just a dumb teenager"? I think that might have been a dream sequence. Kind of like how Chelsea's voice distorts in the first trailer when Chelsea's tells Ruby she's knows Ruby is a kraken.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, and also the mural
It's so funny how so many people completely ignore the fact that Chelsea is identical to the evil mermaid queen from the mural thing. She's probably way too old to care about all this petty teenage drama. >Thus she wants to gain power to take control of the human world to make the racism against merfolk go away
Except humans adore mermaids and Chelsea the human, as was pointed out and shown many times in the trailers. The only people who hate mermaids are the krakens, or maybe it's just Ruby's grandmama. >and become prettier, to manipulate humans into liking her.
Going by the mural, all mermaids are naturally hot and only turn a bit uglier when becoming a kaiju, which is exactly what Chelsea wants to do. Your theory doesn't hold water.
and the line from the trailer in the OP where she calls Ruby a cute widdle baby girl, and the fact that the movie is a lazy role reversal parody of little mermaid which had an evil octopus hag as its main villain who also larped as a beautiful human teenager as a part of her scheme to dethrone the protagonist's parent as the ruler of the oceans and steal their magical trident.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But that mermaid in the mural thing...looks black
11 months ago
Anonymous
There's 1 afro mermaid, others look white. The colors are just weird because of the medium and dark background.
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all those mermaids look the same though, you could easily just say she's Chelsea's mother
Sure, but that doesn't explain why Chelsea is so damn evil, and why she keeps patronizing Ruby. Ruby and her mom look distinct from the kraken queen, so it would be kind of cheap if Chelsea's family consisted of a bunch of clones. Also if Chelsea is secretely an adult who already fought a giant kraken queen that makes her a more threatening villain, provides much-needed twist that wasn't spoiled in the trailers, and makes it ok to kill her off at the end like Ursula and Jack Horner.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Plot twist: the trident originally belonged to Chelsea's family
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, at this point that's probably the only way to make her a more sympathetic villain. I'm still not sure if that would make her a redeemable one though.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Simple: combination of that and
I'm going to assume both races hate each other and believe the other to be monsters they must fight no matter what.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Kaiju Chelsea really acts like a monster though. Getting cucked out of a trident by krakens doesn't justify terrorizing defenseless humans.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Getting cucked out of a trident by krakens doesn't justify terrorizing defenseless humans.
Humans suck and deserve to die
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm still not sure if that would make her a redeemable one though.
Whether it does or not, the movie is almost guaranteed to end with Ruby trying to be friends with Chelsea again after their big battle.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's so funny how so many people completely ignore the fact that Chelsea is identical to the evil mermaid queen from the mural thing. She's probably way too old to care about all this petty teenage drama. >Thus she wants to gain power to take control of the human world to make the racism against merfolk go away
Except humans adore mermaids and Chelsea the human, as was pointed out and shown many times in the trailers. The only people who hate mermaids are the krakens, or maybe it's just Ruby's grandmama. >and become prettier, to manipulate humans into liking her.
Going by the mural, all mermaids are naturally hot and only turn a bit uglier when becoming a kaiju, which is exactly what Chelsea wants to do. Your theory doesn't hold water.
all those mermaids look the same though, you could easily just say she's Chelsea's mother
Here's my theory.
Like Ruby, Chelsea grew up in an isolated environment and was told all sorts of shit about the krakens. Her family groomed her into being the next mermaid leader to beat the krakens or whatever, and Chelsea tries to get an edge by befriending Ruby so she can take her down later. But then she begins to really relate to and like Ruby, but can't break away from her mission and feels guilty about it.
As it turns out, the mermaids and the krakens aren't so different after all; both Chelsea and Ruby's families hold long-standing grudges and spread superstitions about each other, but they're so set in their ways that they can't just be talked down to.
Are they gonna show what regular people see when they look at Ruby? I refuse to believe that she just has a Zim tier terrible disguise. She must look like a normal girl to most people.
Not only was this real cute, the people saying this is "obviously" manipulation are paranoid, but also I start to really like Chelseas hair. I mean, I thought it was good looking before, but seeing it in more scenes with more perspectives makes it look even prettier. Cinemaphile girls really needed some more super-long haired girls
people are saying it's manipulation because from the first trailer they stated all mermaids are evil.
That said, someone working on it says the trailers don't spoil the whole movie, so maybe there's something they're keeping secret.
Obviously she’s manipulating Ruby but looks like she genuinely felt for her for a moment there. Likely much of her bravado and charm are an affectation and she knows those feels all too well
I only go to theaters if someone invited me (the exception was the Mario movie because I waited my whole life for that)
I might give this a chance if it releases on a streaming service that is being paid at home, otherwise I'm just here for the yuri.
I am seeing this day one because I respect Dreamworks over Disney and Pixar as an animation studio, and am willing to give them money. Same for Trolls 3. Even if they suck, I'll be glad to give them money when I see the cool shit they do next like Orion and the Dark and KFP4.
I got tickets for a mystery movie this month that shows movies BEFORE it is supposed to be in theaters so if its not that then I might watch it with my sister
>spending money to watch this garbage surrounded by screeching toddlers
lol
lmao even
I don't even feel like pirating this shit, I'm just here for the spoilers
Is it because they censor their porn? Do we facilitate a culture of sexual inadequacy in young men causing them to lash out violently against women and children and homosexuals?
Writers were never popular people so its hard for them to write a popular girl character
Actors were the popular people which is why you see writers seething at popular people like Jenna Ortega telling them how to write and it being even better
The only thing Chelsea would have to struggle with is having so many friends who aren't really her friend but just want to be like her.
People expect you to have opinions on everything and sometimes help them out if they are high enough on the popularity chain
This movie looks really good. I like the friendship angle. I really wasn't expecting it from the first trailers. Thought Ruby and Ariel would hate each other.
The grandma saying "humans are stupid" in the trailer convinced me she's an antagonist in sone capacity. Seems like Chelsea loves them, even if it's because mermaids feed off adoration.
First review is out, the plot is basically what was shown in the trailers
https://www.variety.com/2023/film/reviews/ruby-gillman-teenage-kraken-review-1235646013
Cinemaphile got it the other way around, Chelsea and Ruby start off as friends but then the former turns out to be completely evil.
I don't think this will stop the shipping though.
>Your racist grandparents aren't out of touch or wrong, their fears are perfectly rational
lol
The review doesn’t seem to talk about how evil Chelsea is exactly. Also seems to bypass the generational trauma story they’re hinting at and the broken relationship between mom and grandma, which seems to be a big part of the film.
>Tired of what her friends call “your mom’s irrational anti-ocean rule,” Ruby decides to investigate her kraken identity, swimming down to meet her Grandmamah (Jane Fonda, who sounds like a sea monster with a pack-a-day smoking habit). Ruby’s surprised to learn that the Gillmans are royalty, which means she’s a princess — a revelation that makes her a lot more reluctant to go back to her old life on land, especially after her transformation left the locals terrified. She’s even got salty old sailor Gordon Lighthouse (Will Forte) out hunting for her. Meanwhile, in water, Ruby takes the form of an enormous bioluminescent squid that can shoot lasers from her eyes, design challenges that call for some truly dazzling visual effects (nothing so gorgeous as “Avatar: The Way of Water,” but far more inviting than the gloomy undersea kingdoms of “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever” and the live-action “Littler Mermaid”). In no time, Ruby’s forgotten all about Connor and prom, focusing her attention instead on training her newfound powers. >Suspiciously enough, at nearly the same time that Ruby discovers that she’s a monster (in humans’ eyes, at least), a super-confident redhead named Chelsea Van Der Zee (Annie Murphy) arrives at school. The instantly popular new girl sees something in Ruby that the other students don’t, and in no time, we learn that she’s a mermaid. Just moments before, Ruby was warned about those “selfish, vain narcissists.” Choosing to ignore Grandmamah, Ruby instead trusts this fishy new friend, who’s clearly using her to find the all-powerful magic trident. Once that spear falls into the wrong hands, the movie stages a massive “The Little Mermaid”-like finale, at which point the villain rises up to conquer all — only this time, the tentacled characters are good, whereas it’s a mermaid (in exaggeratedly ugly form) who does the terrorizing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That still doesn’t really say anything we didn’t already know. Doesn’t go deep into what type of characters they are beyond what they do in the film. It’s a pretty lame review honestly.
I don’t think anyone here didn’t expect Chelsea to be the villain.
11 months ago
Anonymous
All anybody really wants to know is Chelsea's final fate.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And that hasn’t been defined yet. Once a review comes out comparing Chelsea to Jack Horner, then you all can cry.
11 months ago
Anonymous
stabbed (accidentally of course) then disappears into the water seemingly dead seems like a good guess
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's literally just The Little Mermaid 2
11 months ago
Anonymous
Meant for
>Tired of what her friends call “your mom’s irrational anti-ocean rule,” Ruby decides to investigate her kraken identity, swimming down to meet her Grandmamah (Jane Fonda, who sounds like a sea monster with a pack-a-day smoking habit). Ruby’s surprised to learn that the Gillmans are royalty, which means she’s a princess — a revelation that makes her a lot more reluctant to go back to her old life on land, especially after her transformation left the locals terrified. She’s even got salty old sailor Gordon Lighthouse (Will Forte) out hunting for her. Meanwhile, in water, Ruby takes the form of an enormous bioluminescent squid that can shoot lasers from her eyes, design challenges that call for some truly dazzling visual effects (nothing so gorgeous as “Avatar: The Way of Water,” but far more inviting than the gloomy undersea kingdoms of “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever” and the live-action “Littler Mermaid”). In no time, Ruby’s forgotten all about Connor and prom, focusing her attention instead on training her newfound powers. >Suspiciously enough, at nearly the same time that Ruby discovers that she’s a monster (in humans’ eyes, at least), a super-confident redhead named Chelsea Van Der Zee (Annie Murphy) arrives at school. The instantly popular new girl sees something in Ruby that the other students don’t, and in no time, we learn that she’s a mermaid. Just moments before, Ruby was warned about those “selfish, vain narcissists.” Choosing to ignore Grandmamah, Ruby instead trusts this fishy new friend, who’s clearly using her to find the all-powerful magic trident. Once that spear falls into the wrong hands, the movie stages a massive “The Little Mermaid”-like finale, at which point the villain rises up to conquer all — only this time, the tentacled characters are good, whereas it’s a mermaid (in exaggeratedly ugly form) who does the terrorizing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>and the live-action “Littler Mermaid”
oh no she di'int
Cinemaphile got it the other way around, Chelsea and Ruby start off as friends but then the former turns out to be completely evil.
I don't think this will stop the shipping though.
>cutesy-wootsy kid-movie fodder, which is precisely what DreamWorks Animation does with the reasonably clever myth-twisting toon “Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken.” The creative team’s high-concept take suggests “Twilight” as a (literal) fish-out-of-water comedy, wherein a family of blue-skinned squid-things attempt to pass as human.
What the frick is that homosexual talking about
>high-concept
Except it's not. Neither was Elemental, which they also used that phrase to describe. > second — and more original — idea is a super-cartoony take on krakens, where the fearsome monsters are reimagined as forces for good,
le "flip the sides" isn't original. >Chelsea Van Der Zee >Van Der Zee
lol.
I don’t really think this review is painting a good picture of the film. They seem rather upset at the concept of a kraken being able to be human sized.
>no twists >"Racism is justified if it's against the girl who's more popular than you's race"
It's all Joegre.
Maybe it’s the amount of ads but I don’t see that on the review
While this clearly isn't fake or anything, it feels to me as if the critic writer was just watching it with one eye and barely payed any attention. It might be they were just trying to avoid spoilers, but there is still a LOT of things that don't add up here with what the trailers showed.
>This movie is par for the course for Dreamworks
I guess. They have a bunch of stinkers. >and Puss in Boots was the standout.
It really wasn't. Shreks, Madagascar, Megamind, HtTYD were all so much better than TLW. I found it less entertaining than Trolls and Kung Fu Panda.
>beautiful people are actually evil so kill them
Did you expect anything else from an entire industry that grew up being the awkward kids and the ugly loners?
Animation hasn't had chads since Disney was alive and even back then those guys were considered weak
>Fifteen years ago, Agatha (voiced by Toni Collette) and Peter (Colman Domingo) abandoned the ocean to raise their kids on land. Despite the obvious hurdles — their conspicuous cerulean tint, floppy limbs and invertebrate status — they’ve been reasonably successful at blending in. Anytime someone looks suspicious, Ruby (Lana Condor) just says she’s from Canada, and that does the trick.
So Lame. I was hoping that everyone knew she was a kraken right from the start.
There was never gonna be anything queer in the film, the leaks showed Ruby wants to hook up with a dude. People just want chelsea and Ruby to stay together as sort of friends so they can continue to ship them
Why did people even believe this would have gay shit? Besides strange world having a gay MC. Animated movies aren't full of LGBTQAI+ themes much less have homosexual main characters unless I'm missing something.
Another review. The ending seems to be like Luca in that all of Ruby's friends and neighbors find out the Gillmans are krakens but they accept them immediately. Also I'm noticing a pattern with the reviews about the third act being rushed or too action heavy.
https://www.screendaily.com/reviews/ruby-gillman-teenage-kraken-annecy-review/5183198.article
>weird review
Is it?
Did every Luca review mention this ugly bastard? Did every Frozen review talk about Hans? Or Bellweather in Zootopia ones? Maybe Chelsea is not as important as you think she is.
>Did every Luca review mention this ugly bastard?
I don't know, did they? Did they not? Well, they should have, considering he was an important obstacle in the protagonist journey. >Did every Frozen review talk about Hans?
I assume so, even ignoring the twist thing, he was the original love interest of the lead character.
What is your point again?
Chelsea is the main villain and also pretends to be the main characters friend throughout the movie so that already has more of a role than the bastard from Luca. See this clip
Trailers lie and mislead. They shilled Chelsea because she's hotter and more interesting and marketable than MC's boring friends and family, but based on review no. 1 she actually appears like midway through the movie and is soon revealed to be a villain, which is technically a spoiler, so the reviewers don't talk about her because they have more sense than the trailers people. Judging by the reviews, her role is not that big compared to Ruby's human friends. She gets a few scenes in which she manages to deceive Ruby, then the other half of her screentime is spent in the spoilery kaiju form.
>Judging by the reviews, her role is not that big compared to Ruby's human friends
She's the main villain and the foe Ruby and her family have to face, how is that not a big role? That's like saying Ursula from the first little mermaid doesn't really matter that much just because there's more scenes with Sebastian.
11 months ago
Anonymous
In Ruby's life, I meant. She's not as important to Ruby as her friends, family, and the boy she likes, and the movie is from Ruby's POV so I guess they got fleshed out more. She's just some popular b***h who tricks Ruby into handing her the trident and then she's a part of a big flashy kaiju fight. She also appears later than Ursula, and everything about her is technically a spoiler, so no wonder they don't talk about her. Moreover, all those paid shills were shitting on the 3rd act, which was Chelsea's time to shine, so I really doubt she's a compelling villain.
>The ending seems to be like Luca in that all of Ruby's friends and neighbors find out the Gillmans are krakens but they accept them immediately.
Well it's like Godzilla, where the citizens are aware there are more kaijus besides Ruby out there that can attack the town any time, and they need someone like her to defend themselves. And this time the kaiju hero is a likable girl who cares about people, so it's a win win.
Plus, the art style making everyone look like a weirdo only makes Ruby feel more at home there.
So Ruby saves her crush from drowning when he falls out of a ship, but Vaness...I mean Chelsea takes the credit? Is there a single original idea in this movie that wasn't copied from The Little Mermaid?
Pretty much all intentional. And likely planned to be made and released around the same time as the live-action Little Mermaid just so people could watch by association .
So Ruby saves her crush from drowning when he falls out of a ship, but Vaness...I mean Chelsea takes the credit? Is there a single original idea in this movie that wasn't copied from The Little Mermaid?
>the two female character paralleling Eric and Ariel meet cute >not gay
This is ridiculous
>Ruby=Ariel >Nignog Boy=Eric >Chelsea=Vanessa
You're ridiculous. The hetero pairing stays the same, except they swapped the beautiful mermaid with the squid, and the prince was turned black.
This is the only reason why I don't mind AI that much, so that one day one could simply input the movie into the computer and input "The two female leads are a couple". Of course such high level of AI will only be done in like the year 2060, but still, something to look forward to when I'm retired
>Of course such high level of AI will only be done in like the year 2060
And also, that AI will want you to pay him or her for his or her time and labor.
People seem to think when two characters annoy each other or hate each other is because they want to frick. To be fair, such trope exists but it only really applies to heterosexual couples
>To be fair, such trope exists but it only really applies to heterosexual couples
We have queer couples in animation that are formed of people trying to kill each other and sometimes out of abuse, so it happens both ways.
Yes, for some reason that trope is amplified when it comes to lesbians. See Adora and Catra for example. In heterosexual pairings it doesn't go beyond annoying each other
They meant they want more dyke shit and they're ready to ignore everything else to push for it. Unfortunately almost every single goddamn artist has bought into it so there's no chance to get any Chelsea art without ruby being there.
Someone that worked on the movie posted that >Let’s just say the trailer didn’t give *everything* away~ 😉
https://twitter.com/TheAbbeyRoadie/status/1668473644694245377
But I'm thinking it's just cope.
honestly, what the movie will actually be about has been an interesting mystery for sure. Is it just as the trailer says? Is there a twist? Is the twist that there is no twist?
>Gives dude a deep strong voice >lets him be open about his attraction to Ruby in a relatively smooth and confident way >is still the "woman" in the relationship at the end
>I want to fit in and be seen as normal like you
Huh......she does realize she looks completely different than a human, right? Is she actually using a spell that makes her look normal to everyone around her or are monsters normal in this setting?
idk the artist was very into futa stuff iirc.
the moment they did Owl House porn they put a big target on their head. That show's fans are like rabid racoons out of control.
>yeah... I guess I'd make her go to the doctor or something. >You'd MAKE HER? >Yeah it's (slight nervous laugh) it's a very serious medical problem >Woah Tomar!
>Tomar, what if if Jaxxy was a blue skinned boneless squid woman? Would you say something?
>yeah... I guess I'd make her go to the doctor or something. >You'd MAKE HER? >Yeah it's (slight nervous laugh) it's a very serious medical problem >Woah Tomar!
We gotta get Cory's thoughts on this movie once it's out.
Jesus fricking Christ, why the frick is this redheaded teenager so goddamn sexy, I mean legitimately, it's like she was literally designed for a metric frickton of porn to be made of her, her face looks like it's incomplete without being covered in layers and layers of cum, her lips look like any big wiener you wave in front of her could fit perfectly between them, and her attitude, my God, her attitude, she struts around like she owns the place because she's serviced enough wiener to ensure that every male in a 50-mile radius will bend to her whims in an instant because she gave them the most mind-blowing sex of all time, holy fricking shitballs, this goes beyond the slampig fanart, her body is genuine perfection no matter how it looks, this character will single-handedly inspire the new generation to fall for redheads like so many have before them, myself included, seriously guys, you have no fricking idea how much I want her to suck my wiener, I don't care what anybody says, nobody understands, absolutely none of you fricking understand, this goes far beyond mere coombrain, I take one look at this girl and I can't believe my fricking eyes at the sheer perfection that was put into this character design, she's cute, she's snarky, she's sassy, and it seems as if there's just a hint of genuine heart within her, giving you hope that she can change for the better, but oddly enough, much of the appeal comes from a strange desire to see her change for the worse, and not only that, but to be by her side while that happens, so one day, the two of you may rule together with an iron fist, after all, what's a king without a queen, and by God, is she a queen, I'd kill my child if that meant she could be my queen, because holy hell would she be worth it, just look at her, tell me you wouldn't want her in your life, if you dare to disagree, you simply can't recognize a quality woman, I couldn’t possibly care less about what anybody says, Chelsea from Ruby Gillman is my one, my love, my all
Counterargument: Home bombed (rightfully so, it butchered fantastic source material), and it got a TV show. It's what Dreamworks does.
Chelsea and Ruby will show up again after the movie. Captain Uglyfacehead will not.
I could see them doing what they with with Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. Have the main couple meet in primary school even if it doesn't make sense at all
man, so much people was looking for this movie as an alternative to the black mermaid, but damn this being that they have the audacity to call human makes the Little Mermaid Live Action looks good.
how much can her throat stretch?
ON THAT NOTE
why is chelsea always the one getting banged by ruby and not the other way around
A shy girl dimming a popular one is hot
Doming*
yep this exactly i mean that one anon made a whole thread worth of ruby domming and breaking chelsea it's just a fun turn around type dynamic.
tentacle porn that's it
but ruby has amazing potential as a living onahole
Because Chelsea's attitude needs to be corrected!
Gap moe, the japs say.
We can tell which one tops in bed.
something about cutting her down a peg plus hot tentacle action
enough to fit your pencil thick pinkie dick
She looks really fricking cute while she’s sad, but I still don’t know if I should go see it in theatres. Looks really generic to be honest
>ZOMG SO CUTE
Black person this is a common scenario that happens in 10000000 cartoons. It's nothing special.
So? It’s still cute, especially the execution and movements/voice acting
I can't really get over the "ughh I can't fit in i'm too weird unlike the pretty girl" plot when A) the MC isn't even that ugly and B) the 'normal' humans are more disgusting and freakish than she is like that motherfricker that looks like luigi had sex with a mop
Yeah but she’s blue with fish feet
Apparently that's what canadians look like in their world.
I can't get over the premise of "Oh no, I'm actually a monstergirl and people will hate me!" set in the modern era. If you could turn into a dragon or a sea monster people would think that shit was fricking cool. I understand this setup is really just a metaphor for general body image issues, but damn man, put a better spin on it. Either set it in a time and place where it makes sense (a dragon girl in medieval times, a dog girl in a Chinese restaurant), or make the characters genuinely threatening looking when they transform.
The movie is a steaming pile of shit. This said, young girls obsess over imaginary flaws all the time or get bullied over unusual but attractive features (like red hair), and most people would crap their pants in fear if they encountered a giant ass squid (or anything "alien" looking) even if it's technically a cute girl. That's also a smart move in-universe because giant Ruby clearly can't control her strength and keeps stepping into cars and shit.
Back in middle and high school there was a girl in my class who was made fun of for having large breasts. The strange thing was some guys made fun of her too.
>I understand this setup is really just a metaphor for general body image issue
What makes this moronic is that there's nothing 'wrong' with her default form. She's not too tall or too short, she doesnt have a israelite nose or buck teeth, she doesn't have a disproportionate body either
I just hope they show Chelsea's bare feet.
Best squishy friends!
>that hand gesture
is she /ourgirl/?
Ah crap I looked at it. Okay Chelsea, hit me.
Not below the waist
SEXO CEFALOPODO!!!!!!
that night
Looks cute.
I like it. I expected from the first trailer that she was just gonna be a bully through the whole movie, but making her a manipulator who actually wants her to become a kraken so she can fight her is a better idea.
These type of interactions will also make the shippers go off.
Are they TRYING to make us ship Ruby and Chelsea?
It's modern Hollywood so probably.
all to sell tickets
Its either they were planning on marketing it as a best friends comedy only to reveal Chelsea being evil as a twist but decided to market the film as an action movie thus spoiling that twist in the process
OR
Chelsea isn't evil
I say they'll split the difference. Chelsea is indeed as evil as we've been led to believe, but after their big fight, Ruby feels bad and offers to be friends with her again.
My prediction is she IS evil but also genuinely wants to be friends with Ruby and tempt her to the dark side but the protagonist Uno Reverses her into a good girl by the end.
Same theory here.
There was an Anon saying he saw an early trailer (before we got an actual one) that suggested the unlikely friendship comedy routine
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/133808410/#133811893
It might have been slightly more interesting if they marketed the film as being a coming of age friendship story then keep Chelsea being evil a secret.
I think they made that at the forefront to market it as a jab toward Disney ala Shrek considering The Little Mermaid remake was supposed to be their big summer release and play into it with that one ad of Chelsea saying "I'm not evil Ruby, I'm just misunderstood" in light of people being sick of sympathetic villains and the sudden popularity of Big Jack Horner
Wouldn't be surprised if it was a last minute decision
>her first and only friend
Well that's not true, now she has 3 buddies who want her to go to prom with them
They all clearly know she's a kraken though.
well it's working on me
I'm of the belief that modern artists working in Hollywood are hyper aware of all the shipping fandoms and purposely insert "cute" moments between certain characters because they personally like it and they're also trying to appease to the shipping fandom. Like, they're trying to do what anime and manga does in terms of fan service, but they want to be more """"discreet""" about it. It's the only explanation why they would have Sam and Guy from Green Eggs & Ham have a shit ton of "cute moments" together.
>Like, they're trying to do what anime and manga does in terms of fan service, but they want to be more """"discreet""" about it.
Anime/manga already do this when it comes to LGBT relationships, you'll notice how a lot of "gay rep" boil down to just small displays of affection or minor crushes but rarely, if ever, outright kissing or major romamce.
Almost all dyke/homosexual relationships suck ass too, sulemio is a recent example
You're crazy. There's nothing cute about a teen girl being groomed by an evil old hag who wants to steel her grandma's macguffin. Yurigays are mentally ill.
well, anon there's also the fact teen girls do like to be chummy with one another. It's just now that gays are more mainstream, fondness for one another can be seen as gay. Happened with moon girl too and the creators already said that's platonic.
This is how teenage girls act you /u/ritards
Reminder that all girls are either bi or lesbian
all girls are bi
some are sexual, others polar
Proof?
You're implying that girls can love, which is utter bullshit.
Anon, don’t be an incel
>This scene but it's her breasts being played with
They should have done a Monster High thing with this and had Ruby going to mythological school with minotaurs, cyclops, dragons etc.
Really wouldn't make her stand out of everyone is a monster.
I swear every time you guys make suggestions you just want a property to copy another one.
don't fix what isn't broke
You look at the designs of the "humans" in this turdburger and tell me we wouldn't have been better off with more attractive "monsters."
I wanna squish her cheeks like they were women’s breast.
based, kinda wanna draw something like that. like a fantasy bubble of chelsea groping ruby's breasts but she's actually fondling her cheeks.
What's with these stupid ass videos that are just a supercut of all the trailers?
Chelsea gonna break Ruby's heart.
Someone make a webm of Chelsea moving rubys face to face the mirror, it was super cute
Omg, she's adorable!!
So do the humans know she's a kraken or not.
Shes blue and had suction cups in her hands what do you think,
Maybe she's European.
It's a medical condition
Probably not, seems to work on Invader Zim rules.
Im gonna watch this movie in theaters, its a cute movie and i dont really care for the lesbian thing, its just a cute and original movie.
Or a subversion of the little mermaid, but point is its its own original parody sort of thing
If they really wanted to commit to a true subversion then they should have made the krakens the giant fabulous bearded whales they were originally described to be in the first sightings.
>fabulous
Who says fabulous in a discussion anymore?
Homos and the dress horse
The 80s was 40 years ago
>cute
>original
It's a ripoff of picrel and Shrek with hideous globohomosexual art
I mostly care about this movie for the hot redhead, so I'll just wait until the fandom hopefully really kicks in and by God I hope there's some solo stuff and it isn't all just focusing on her being with the kraken or something like that.
I don't think it's actually lesbians or anything, that's just something people on here have latched on to.
Still think she'll be pure evil but maybe there will be a scene by the end where Ruby tells Chelsea she doesn't have to be what her family forces her to do either
Goddamn.. the more footage I see of Chelsea the more I think she is damn cute. I may just see this movie just to watch her.
I feel that this movie wont be a waste of time like Elemental.
They're both cute.
Patiently waiting for the day when the most someone can say about a new animated thing coming out isn't "omg, adorable!" or "the feels!" or "comfy af".
>cute clip comes out
>”UGH, where are the posts writing essays on the themes and how it comments on the human condition?”
If you’re so fricking concerned, you figure out the deep inner layers for us to discuss
Mental gymnastics. The themes showcased are pretty one-dimensional and bare-bones, if you're honestly titillated by this kind of social commentary you literally are probably at least slightly mentally moronic.
Not asking for deeply complicated themes, just y'know, some cinematic variety. I think the autists are the ones who gobble this "comfy" shit up. You're the ones who need animation to be your security blanket. Animation will never be cinema as long as it keeps catering to you morons.
NTA but I don't care whether animation is or isn't cinema, I just want western animation that caters to me the same way anime caters to weebs
>Animation will never be cinema
Well yeah. Comics will never be literature either.
>cinema
What does that even mean? What does it mean to be cinema?
it means it teases the fancy of pretentious college educated people
>just y'know, some cinematic variety
That’s just so fricking vague, you already have PIB and ATSV for some variety, what’s the harm in a movie with fun characters/interactions? Not every movie needs to be a cinematic masterpiece to be good
>The themes showcased are pretty one-dimensional and bare-bones
The presentation and execution is what counts here
>every film has to have deep complicated themes because I’m an autist
Yes. Don't be neurophobic, make content for the spectrum, we are its primary consumers.
Based. I'm tired of this "le whacky cartoony" 3D animation, I need marvelous and innovative things in visual terms like TLW (what a contrast between that one into this thing...) and ATSV.
>ATSV
Kek
being a Cinemaphilentrarian isn't replacement for a personality.
Keep sucking Gwen's wiener
Lol how the only ones who keep pushing the troony Gwen shit are the ones who clearly secretly want to suck girldick
The guy who made this meme was probably arrested for buying child pornography
who the frick cares
im here for the yuri porn
Ruby is a futa tentacle porn monster, which is better
>futa
>better than anything
Only if you're a troony and/or like trannies, of course
Aaaaaaa she’s so precious holy frick
This movie isn't coming out in Australia until September.
Is it not playing in some countries? Would that explain why the box office isn't looking so good?
>guppy girl
Ah cute better kept that nickname
>Blue character named Ruby
I still hope the grandma is villain and these two girls can still be friends. I ain't feeling anything with the given male love interest.
Frick they're both so hot.
let me guess-they become lesbians at the end and ruby and hot mermaid unite the mortal enemies krakens and mermaids.
Would you rather see the cute Kraken kiss this by the end?
Why would she kiss her gay xer/they/them BFF?
STOP MAKING UGLY CHARACTERS
STOP IT
HAVE YOUR BLACKS, HAVE YOUR GAYS BUT KEEP THE UGLY OUT OF MY CARTOONS
>This is what a modern love interest looks like
I wish, but she's gonna hook up with this butthole instead
many such cases
>butthole
>genuinely is shown to be kind to kraken girl
Why are yuricucks like this?
His design is just pure shit, Chelsea is better for her anyways
That would be gigabased but no
da joos really found a way to make us prefer the lesbian ending
Ruby Gillman is premiering at Annecy right now. Someone can drop a spoiler or two about the film. Is there a genuine friendship between Ruby and Chelsea?
Anything yet?
>tags: ahegao, mindbreak
People at Annecy aren't the type who go to comic-con and can spoil stuff, they mostly respect the NDA and don't talk a lot. They saw 90% of the turtles movie yesterday and nobody said anything about the plot. They're all animation nerds, not people wanting the next scoop.
Some homosexuals were claiming the unfinished rough cut of the movie got a 6 minute standing ovation, and I find that extremely hard to believe.
my frickin dick
>Is there a genuine friendship between Ruby and Chelsea
Frick that. Do they FRICK?
At first, it seems like redhead feels bad for Ruby (pic related). But then she turns into a typical manipulative popular girl type by the end. Not sure what they're going for here.
Sociopaths are good at manipulating people, what's new?
Maybe at first she's manipulating Ruby - for the trident - but then she will gain feelings for her in a classic liar revealed dreamworks plot.
There'll be this scene where Ruby is like "...Chelsea... you lied to me!?! Grandma was right. Of course a popular mermaid girl would never be real friends with a freak like me! :'( " then Ruby runs away crying and Chelsea is like "Ruby! No! Wait! It's not like that!" Then they will have a montage of them being apart and looking sad/guilty and little things will remind them of each other. Then the big bad grandma will do the big bad thing and Ruby and Chelsea will team up, make up and make out.
Screen cap this.
It would be so fricking based if the black guy was bait/a trick and ruby x Chelsea was real
Are yurigays really this moronic, or are you just pretending?
Comblr is real
I was joking on the last part but the liar revealed beats will be there, I guarantee.
Did you miss the trailer where Chelsea gloats about tricking Ruby and then transforms into her evil form? She's also blatantly older than she looks, so if anything, her affection for Ruby would be pseudo-parental.
Not him and I do expect Chelsea is evil but trailers can just lie like that
Inserting original dialog isn't new
Ta.
I think she'll change her mind.
Literally how and when.
She's like "I'm not evil, I'm just pretty!" when she transforms into the evil kaiju form, clearly mocking Ruby (and the viewers) who believed in her innocence, then she wrecks some shit and terrorizes humans, so Ruby (later joined by her mom and grandmama) has to fight her in what looks like the movie's climactic battle. When exactly does she turn good?
It's so funny how so many people completely ignore the "and misunderstood" line when she said the "I'm not evil" thing.
Based on this new clip, I got the theory that when Chelsea was young, she got bullied for her fish tail. Thus she learned to get used to having legs and become prettier, to manipulate humans into liking her. Thus when she transfered to a new school, she was super popular. But she knew, based on their interaction with Ruby, that these humans are just as bad as the bullies in her home town.
Thus she wants to gain power to take control of the human world to make the racism against merfolk go away and wishes for Ruby to join her, as she sees herself in Ruby.
It's so funny how so many people completely ignore the fact that Chelsea is identical to the evil mermaid queen from the mural thing. She's probably way too old to care about all this petty teenage drama.
>Thus she wants to gain power to take control of the human world to make the racism against merfolk go away
Except humans adore mermaids and Chelsea the human, as was pointed out and shown many times in the trailers. The only people who hate mermaids are the krakens, or maybe it's just Ruby's grandmama.
>and become prettier, to manipulate humans into liking her.
Going by the mural, all mermaids are naturally hot and only turn a bit uglier when becoming a kaiju, which is exactly what Chelsea wants to do. Your theory doesn't hold water.
All this is true, but there is something else they could do with this. Both Ruby and Chelsea come from a long legacy of sea folk, one heroic and the other one is evil. They could make the argument that Chelsea is evil because of her family, and just like how Ruby struggles with her family life, so does Chelsea. A neat parallel of two girls trying to find their identity.
Her being as evil as Jack Horner could be good too but there's other places they can take the story.
Her family? I guess so.
One interesting thing about the mural is that although grandmama said that all mermaids are evil, a scene depicted in the mural seems to point to them getting corrupted by the Chelsea-looking mermaid. The mural is simplistic so it's hard to tell, but it kinda looks like the other mermaids are covering their mouths in shock in the part where mermaid queen steals the trident. So it could be that only Chelsea and her prospective ancestors are evil and mermaid racism is unfounded.
>It's so funny how so many people completely ignore the "and misunderstood" line when she said the "I'm not evil" thing.
Becauae that's clearly meant to be her mocking the people who think all mermaids are like Ariel.
>Becauae that's clearly meant to be her mocking the people who think all mermaids are like Ariel.
Is this something that needs to be said? It's one of the common "well actually"s about Disney stuff. Disney already did monster mermaids themselves with Pirates of the Caribbean 4.
>Disney already did monster mermaids themselves with Pirates of the Caribbean 4.
I liked that movie. And I liked the priest and the mermaid's subplot together.
It's my favorite sequel of the first movie, a shame so many people trashed it. Pirates 5 fricking sucks however.
4 and 5 are both bad. 4 just felt really cheap with the whole "Let's throw out the original supporting cast and Sao Feng's cool map and have voodoo zombies that just look like regular dudes with bad skin" thing while 5 flanderized Jack into the ground and wasted the "Let's check in on how Will's doing with the Flying Dutchman" angle on a fricking cameo in addition to retcons out the ass.
I did miss some of the OG crew like those two pirate comic reliefs, but I never gave a shit about Will and Eliza. The map being burned gave us a very cool scene, and the voodoo zombies aren't too far from how the haunted crew from the first movie was handled.
Gibbs memorizing the maps contents just felt like a really cynical "Yarr, we be too cheap to pay artists to draw new shit onto Sao Feng's map every movie" decision.
I don't think the prop was that expesive, and it was worth it for that big balls moment
>She's also blatantly older than she looks
Are you basing this off of the line "You're just a dumb teenager"? I think that might have been a dream sequence. Kind of like how Chelsea's voice distorts in the first trailer when Chelsea's tells Ruby she's knows Ruby is a kraken.
Yes, and also the mural
and the line from the trailer in the OP where she calls Ruby a cute widdle baby girl, and the fact that the movie is a lazy role reversal parody of little mermaid which had an evil octopus hag as its main villain who also larped as a beautiful human teenager as a part of her scheme to dethrone the protagonist's parent as the ruler of the oceans and steal their magical trident.
But that mermaid in the mural thing...looks black
There's 1 afro mermaid, others look white. The colors are just weird because of the medium and dark background.
Sure, but that doesn't explain why Chelsea is so damn evil, and why she keeps patronizing Ruby. Ruby and her mom look distinct from the kraken queen, so it would be kind of cheap if Chelsea's family consisted of a bunch of clones. Also if Chelsea is secretely an adult who already fought a giant kraken queen that makes her a more threatening villain, provides much-needed twist that wasn't spoiled in the trailers, and makes it ok to kill her off at the end like Ursula and Jack Horner.
Plot twist: the trident originally belonged to Chelsea's family
Yeah, at this point that's probably the only way to make her a more sympathetic villain. I'm still not sure if that would make her a redeemable one though.
Simple: combination of that and
Kaiju Chelsea really acts like a monster though. Getting cucked out of a trident by krakens doesn't justify terrorizing defenseless humans.
>Getting cucked out of a trident by krakens doesn't justify terrorizing defenseless humans.
Humans suck and deserve to die
>I'm still not sure if that would make her a redeemable one though.
Whether it does or not, the movie is almost guaranteed to end with Ruby trying to be friends with Chelsea again after their big battle.
all those mermaids look the same though, you could easily just say she's Chelsea's mother
>blatantly older than she looks
Hebebros... the haggays won...
Also true, except for the makeout.
but we can dream.
Here's my theory.
Like Ruby, Chelsea grew up in an isolated environment and was told all sorts of shit about the krakens. Her family groomed her into being the next mermaid leader to beat the krakens or whatever, and Chelsea tries to get an edge by befriending Ruby so she can take her down later. But then she begins to really relate to and like Ruby, but can't break away from her mission and feels guilty about it.
As it turns out, the mermaids and the krakens aren't so different after all; both Chelsea and Ruby's families hold long-standing grudges and spread superstitions about each other, but they're so set in their ways that they can't just be talked down to.
Are they gonna show what regular people see when they look at Ruby? I refuse to believe that she just has a Zim tier terrible disguise. She must look like a normal girl to most people.
Not only was this real cute, the people saying this is "obviously" manipulation are paranoid, but also I start to really like Chelseas hair. I mean, I thought it was good looking before, but seeing it in more scenes with more perspectives makes it look even prettier. Cinemaphile girls really needed some more super-long haired girls
people are saying it's manipulation because from the first trailer they stated all mermaids are evil.
That said, someone working on it says the trailers don't spoil the whole movie, so maybe there's something they're keeping secret.
I really like the music in this scene
She looked sad here, what gives?
Upset stomach, nausea, diarrhea
Sympathy
Obviously she’s manipulating Ruby but looks like she genuinely felt for her for a moment there. Likely much of her bravado and charm are an affectation and she knows those feels all too well
>god that kraken looks so hot when she’s sad
She realizes she loves her. Ruby does not compensate.
As far as i heared, the relationship between Ruby and Chelsea in the movie is what Anne and Sasha had.
Curious. How many of you guys here are actually going to see this in theaters?
Sure why not
I only go to theaters if someone invited me (the exception was the Mario movie because I waited my whole life for that)
I might give this a chance if it releases on a streaming service that is being paid at home, otherwise I'm just here for the yuri.
But of course
I'm going to see Elemental.
>I'm going to see Elemental.
man, there are less expensive ways to come out the closet.
My movie is about a straight couple, yours is yuribait. We are not the same.
It's not always about the canon ships, spiderman.
You're a gay gay piece of wienersucker for watching a movie about racism allegories.
I am seeing this day one because I respect Dreamworks over Disney and Pixar as an animation studio, and am willing to give them money. Same for Trolls 3. Even if they suck, I'll be glad to give them money when I see the cool shit they do next like Orion and the Dark and KFP4.
I'm bringing a notepad and seeing Elemental and Spiderverse on the same day so I look like a movie reviewer instead of a spaghetti spilling moron.
>bringing a notebook to disguise as a reviewer and not look like an autist
I don’t know if that helps or not. Hope you can dress the part.
It all depends if my baby sis wants to watch it.
I got tickets for a mystery movie this month that shows movies BEFORE it is supposed to be in theaters so if its not that then I might watch it with my sister
>in theaters
he
>spending money to watch this garbage surrounded by screeching toddlers
lol
lmao even
I don't even feel like pirating this shit, I'm just here for the spoilers
I will admit I'm kinda looking forward to this movie.
It looks dumb but fun. Also, I want to eat rubys hair
I'm going to assume both races hate each other and believe the other to be monsters they must fight no matter what.
DEEP STATE CONTROL, THEY'RE TURNING THE SEA SLUGS GAY
Is it because they censor their porn? Do we facilitate a culture of sexual inadequacy in young men causing them to lash out violently against women and children and homosexuals?
Is it me is this movie written my a chick who never got over not being popular nor attractive?
>main lead is extremely endearing to look at
Its you anon
Writers were never popular people so its hard for them to write a popular girl character
Actors were the popular people which is why you see writers seething at popular people like Jenna Ortega telling them how to write and it being even better
The only thing Chelsea would have to struggle with is having so many friends who aren't really her friend but just want to be like her.
People expect you to have opinions on everything and sometimes help them out if they are high enough on the popularity chain
>Another giant monster/giant Main character movie
Someone at hollywood definitely has a fetish
Water in this movie looks better than Elemental and Little Mermaid
This movie looks really good. I like the friendship angle. I really wasn't expecting it from the first trailers. Thought Ruby and Ariel would hate each other.
The grandma saying "humans are stupid" in the trailer convinced me she's an antagonist in sone capacity. Seems like Chelsea loves them, even if it's because mermaids feed off adoration.
I want to squeeze her.
WHY DOES NOBODY ELSE NOTICE THE GILLMANS ARE BONELESS SQUID PEOPLE
HUMANS DO NOT HAVE BLUE SKIN AND TENTACLE HAIR
Why are you bullying this girl with a rare skin condition?
Stop this or we will have to take you out of here.
I still feel this should've been a tv show/miniseries.
The 2D here shows it could have looked better that way.
First review is out, the plot is basically what was shown in the trailers
https://www.variety.com/2023/film/reviews/ruby-gillman-teenage-kraken-review-1235646013
>no twists
>"Racism is justified if it's against the girl who's more popular than you's race"
It's all Joegre.
>Your racist grandparents aren't out of touch or wrong, their fears are perfectly rational
lol
Only if your racist grandparents are racist towards Betsy Bright's race. Frick Betsy Bright.
was right.
The review doesn’t seem to talk about how evil Chelsea is exactly. Also seems to bypass the generational trauma story they’re hinting at and the broken relationship between mom and grandma, which seems to be a big part of the film.
>Tired of what her friends call “your mom’s irrational anti-ocean rule,” Ruby decides to investigate her kraken identity, swimming down to meet her Grandmamah (Jane Fonda, who sounds like a sea monster with a pack-a-day smoking habit). Ruby’s surprised to learn that the Gillmans are royalty, which means she’s a princess — a revelation that makes her a lot more reluctant to go back to her old life on land, especially after her transformation left the locals terrified. She’s even got salty old sailor Gordon Lighthouse (Will Forte) out hunting for her. Meanwhile, in water, Ruby takes the form of an enormous bioluminescent squid that can shoot lasers from her eyes, design challenges that call for some truly dazzling visual effects (nothing so gorgeous as “Avatar: The Way of Water,” but far more inviting than the gloomy undersea kingdoms of “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever” and the live-action “Littler Mermaid”). In no time, Ruby’s forgotten all about Connor and prom, focusing her attention instead on training her newfound powers.
>Suspiciously enough, at nearly the same time that Ruby discovers that she’s a monster (in humans’ eyes, at least), a super-confident redhead named Chelsea Van Der Zee (Annie Murphy) arrives at school. The instantly popular new girl sees something in Ruby that the other students don’t, and in no time, we learn that she’s a mermaid. Just moments before, Ruby was warned about those “selfish, vain narcissists.” Choosing to ignore Grandmamah, Ruby instead trusts this fishy new friend, who’s clearly using her to find the all-powerful magic trident. Once that spear falls into the wrong hands, the movie stages a massive “The Little Mermaid”-like finale, at which point the villain rises up to conquer all — only this time, the tentacled characters are good, whereas it’s a mermaid (in exaggeratedly ugly form) who does the terrorizing.
That still doesn’t really say anything we didn’t already know. Doesn’t go deep into what type of characters they are beyond what they do in the film. It’s a pretty lame review honestly.
I don’t think anyone here didn’t expect Chelsea to be the villain.
All anybody really wants to know is Chelsea's final fate.
And that hasn’t been defined yet. Once a review comes out comparing Chelsea to Jack Horner, then you all can cry.
stabbed (accidentally of course) then disappears into the water seemingly dead seems like a good guess
It's literally just The Little Mermaid 2
Meant for
>and the live-action “Littler Mermaid”
oh no she di'int
Cinemaphile got it the other way around, Chelsea and Ruby start off as friends but then the former turns out to be completely evil.
I don't think this will stop the shipping though.
The trailers presented her a completely evil in the first place, which made people if there'd be some sort of twist on that.
It wasn't till recently did the trailers start pushing the idea that there'd be any fake friendship at all, which fell kind of flat.
>Moral of the story is that white women are evil
Based
>cutesy-wootsy kid-movie fodder, which is precisely what DreamWorks Animation does with the reasonably clever myth-twisting toon “Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken.” The creative team’s high-concept take suggests “Twilight” as a (literal) fish-out-of-water comedy, wherein a family of blue-skinned squid-things attempt to pass as human.
What the frick is that homosexual talking about
Yuribros.....we lost
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
DOA. The only think that could have saved it was lesbian fish.
Well frick, that’s super lame
>high-concept
Except it's not. Neither was Elemental, which they also used that phrase to describe.
> second — and more original — idea is a super-cartoony take on krakens, where the fearsome monsters are reimagined as forces for good,
le "flip the sides" isn't original.
>Chelsea Van Der Zee
>Van Der Zee
lol.
>Chelsea Van Der Zee
>Van Der Zee
>lol.
I don't get it
Van Der Zee
Archaic Dutch for "of the sea" or "from the sea".
>Seashell from the sea
A bit redundant, innit
I don’t really think this review is painting a good picture of the film. They seem rather upset at the concept of a kraken being able to be human sized.
Maybe it’s the amount of ads but I don’t see that on the review
>They seem rather upset at the concept of a kraken being able to be human sized
As they should.
Kraken literally means enormous.
ho shit the trailers did spoil the entire movie, literally everything written there is in the trailers, even the fricking finale
While this clearly isn't fake or anything, it feels to me as if the critic writer was just watching it with one eye and barely payed any attention. It might be they were just trying to avoid spoilers, but there is still a LOT of things that don't add up here with what the trailers showed.
Let's face it, Ruby was made for Black Dicks.
are people going to turn around and hate dreamworks now
Not really. This movie is par for the course for Dreamworks, and Puss in Boots was the standout.
>This movie is par for the course for Dreamworks
I guess. They have a bunch of stinkers.
>and Puss in Boots was the standout.
It really wasn't. Shreks, Madagascar, Megamind, HtTYD were all so much better than TLW. I found it less entertaining than Trolls and Kung Fu Panda.
I think he meant recent dreamworks movies, httyd is more than 10 years old
Ugh. Garbage message.
>beautiful people are actually evil so kill them
Did you expect anything else from an entire industry that grew up being the awkward kids and the ugly loners?
Animation hasn't had chads since Disney was alive and even back then those guys were considered weak
>https://www.variety.com/2023/film/reviews/ruby-gillman-teenage-kraken-review-1235646013
>Fifteen years ago, Agatha (voiced by Toni Collette) and Peter (Colman Domingo) abandoned the ocean to raise their kids on land. Despite the obvious hurdles — their conspicuous cerulean tint, floppy limbs and invertebrate status — they’ve been reasonably successful at blending in. Anytime someone looks suspicious, Ruby (Lana Condor) just says she’s from Canada, and that does the trick.
So Lame. I was hoping that everyone knew she was a kraken right from the start.
Why would you think everyone knew she's a squid kid?
>Why would you think everyone knew she's a squid kid?
No disguising of her skin tone or her ears.
You think just because someone looks different that means they are a Kraken?
I guess Old Kid's a Kraken too, huh?
>Canada
That explains a lot.
>goofy Uncle Brill
Did they copy picrel from the more successful fish gay movie and make him boring in the process?
She should throw her in prison, instead, for being the inferior sea creature
>a stretched and squished Ruby
Can she inflate her body?
Welp, at least Chelsea and Ruby are still cute.
>scene where the woman doesn't immediately hate her parents
Definitely not Disney.
>both parents are alive
Definitely not Disney
Yeah she's totally getting redeemed.
>Pride month
>Dykes everywhere for years now
>The one movie where Cinemaphile desperately wants there to be yuri it is denied
Because they've been pushing ugly dykes on us for years.
I was never homophobic, I just have better /u/ taste then the plebians and all the popular dyke dynamics are shit.
They only want yuri because they are either coomers or they just can't stand that black dude getting with Ruby
>they are either coomers or they just can't stand that black dude getting with Ruby
It's called being an ally.
I enjoy yuri because it’s cute
There was never gonna be anything queer in the film, the leaks showed Ruby wants to hook up with a dude. People just want chelsea and Ruby to stay together as sort of friends so they can continue to ship them
I don't want it to be yuri, I'm perfectly happy with sexy villainess redhead.
Why did people even believe this would have gay shit? Besides strange world having a gay MC. Animated movies aren't full of LGBTQAI+ themes much less have homosexual main characters unless I'm missing something.
Holy shit is she ok?
Oh it’s an edit nvm
Shame she's 16, I love her monster girl mob face design. Can't touch that for lewds though, not even tasteful ones, I'm not Japanese.
Ruby x Chelsea forever
Any pregnant ruby yet?
Another review. The ending seems to be like Luca in that all of Ruby's friends and neighbors find out the Gillmans are krakens but they accept them immediately. Also I'm noticing a pattern with the reviews about the third act being rushed or too action heavy.
https://www.screendaily.com/reviews/ruby-gillman-teenage-kraken-annecy-review/5183198.article
weird review, again, as if the critic didn't actually pay attention to movie, as they never once even mention Chelsea.
Perhaps the big evil marmaid is actually the grandma.
What else is there to mention? She's the villain
>weird review
Is it?
Did every Luca review mention this ugly bastard? Did every Frozen review talk about Hans? Or Bellweather in Zootopia ones? Maybe Chelsea is not as important as you think she is.
The difference is Hans was a twist villain while they already gave away that Chelsea is evil in the trailer.
>Did every Luca review mention this ugly bastard?
I don't know, did they? Did they not? Well, they should have, considering he was an important obstacle in the protagonist journey.
>Did every Frozen review talk about Hans?
I assume so, even ignoring the twist thing, he was the original love interest of the lead character.
What is your point again?
Chelsea is the main villain and also pretends to be the main characters friend throughout the movie so that already has more of a role than the bastard from Luca. See this clip
Trailers lie and mislead. They shilled Chelsea because she's hotter and more interesting and marketable than MC's boring friends and family, but based on review no. 1 she actually appears like midway through the movie and is soon revealed to be a villain, which is technically a spoiler, so the reviewers don't talk about her because they have more sense than the trailers people. Judging by the reviews, her role is not that big compared to Ruby's human friends. She gets a few scenes in which she manages to deceive Ruby, then the other half of her screentime is spent in the spoilery kaiju form.
>Judging by the reviews, her role is not that big compared to Ruby's human friends
She's the main villain and the foe Ruby and her family have to face, how is that not a big role? That's like saying Ursula from the first little mermaid doesn't really matter that much just because there's more scenes with Sebastian.
In Ruby's life, I meant. She's not as important to Ruby as her friends, family, and the boy she likes, and the movie is from Ruby's POV so I guess they got fleshed out more. She's just some popular b***h who tricks Ruby into handing her the trident and then she's a part of a big flashy kaiju fight. She also appears later than Ursula, and everything about her is technically a spoiler, so no wonder they don't talk about her. Moreover, all those paid shills were shitting on the 3rd act, which was Chelsea's time to shine, so I really doubt she's a compelling villain.
>The ending seems to be like Luca in that all of Ruby's friends and neighbors find out the Gillmans are krakens but they accept them immediately.
Well it's like Godzilla, where the citizens are aware there are more kaijus besides Ruby out there that can attack the town any time, and they need someone like her to defend themselves. And this time the kaiju hero is a likable girl who cares about people, so it's a win win.
Plus, the art style making everyone look like a weirdo only makes Ruby feel more at home there.
wow this movie is mediocre like everything pointed out
wake me up when a good yuri comic comes out
New clip of Ruby finding out Chelsea is a mermaid, their dynamic looks fun
Forgot link, frick me
So Ruby saves her crush from drowning when he falls out of a ship, but Vaness...I mean Chelsea takes the credit? Is there a single original idea in this movie that wasn't copied from The Little Mermaid?
Pretty much all intentional. And likely planned to be made and released around the same time as the live-action Little Mermaid just so people could watch by association .
Why are acting like they did something clever here. It's the exact same thing as before just with places switched.
>Immediately blocked
FRICK
>the two female character paralleling Eric and Ariel meet cute
>not gay
This is ridiculous
>Ruby=Ariel
>Nignog Boy=Eric
>Chelsea=Vanessa
You're ridiculous. The hetero pairing stays the same, except they swapped the beautiful mermaid with the squid, and the prince was turned black.
Anyone notice the animation error?
>that clipping
shit homie how did they miss that? shameful
>racist 1% grandma teaches granddaughter to hate a minority
i reject this movie and i replace it by my own reality
This is the only reason why I don't mind AI that much, so that one day one could simply input the movie into the computer and input "The two female leads are a couple". Of course such high level of AI will only be done in like the year 2060, but still, something to look forward to when I'm retired
>Of course such high level of AI will only be done in like the year 2060
And also, that AI will want you to pay him or her for his or her time and labor.
>Ruby throatfricking Chelsea with her kraken tongue
>Not-Ariel is totally bullying her
>"omg theyre so lesbians theyre in love"
What did twitter mean by this?
People seem to think when two characters annoy each other or hate each other is because they want to frick. To be fair, such trope exists but it only really applies to heterosexual couples
>To be fair, such trope exists but it only really applies to heterosexual couples
We have queer couples in animation that are formed of people trying to kill each other and sometimes out of abuse, so it happens both ways.
Yes, for some reason that trope is amplified when it comes to lesbians. See Adora and Catra for example. In heterosexual pairings it doesn't go beyond annoying each other
They meant they want more dyke shit and they're ready to ignore everything else to push for it. Unfortunately almost every single goddamn artist has bought into it so there's no chance to get any Chelsea art without ruby being there.
Can someone post cute Ruby x Chelsea art?
I don't want go to Twitter
That one thing that Ruby and Chelsea need is prom dresses for the prom.
Someone that worked on the movie posted that
>Let’s just say the trailer didn’t give *everything* away~ 😉
https://twitter.com/TheAbbeyRoadie/status/1668473644694245377
But I'm thinking it's just cope.
honestly, what the movie will actually be about has been an interesting mystery for sure. Is it just as the trailer says? Is there a twist? Is the twist that there is no twist?
Well unless that person is lying it looks like there is some kind of twist.
They haven't shown anything from the mom and grandma's side which is the emotional core of the film supposedly.
Is there going to be some significance of Chelsea looking genuinely concerned for Ruby when she says that people still look at her like a freak?
Nope. It just shows that she's really good at manipulating people, to the point where you think she's not a complete villain.
The "twist" will be that Chelsea gets redeemed in the end, no matter how much of an asspull it'll be
>Gives dude a deep strong voice
>lets him be open about his attraction to Ruby in a relatively smooth and confident way
>is still the "woman" in the relationship at the end
Sucks that in early concept art, he looks more masculine compared to the final one.
how could they screw up an alright design?
Ahh, there's nothing more precious than love, heterosexual love, that is
Get dance position.
This two actually look cute together
His voice and personality are good. Just that the head shape, size, and nose are a no.
Time to cry, dyke shitters
I crave death.
Why b***h? We finally need a straight couple, Y'all dyke frickers had enough.
Yurigays never stood a chance. animated movies will never have an homosexual main couple. TRUE LOVE WINS
Am I the only one who thinks Ruby is prettier than Chelsea?
Ruby is cute pretty
Chelsea is hot pretty
Who's prettier will depend of what you prefer.
Yeah, who is the most fairest since Snow White.
Ruby. Is. CUTE!
anyone got that greentext of chelsea being nice then having a bunch of girls bully ruby the second she walks away?
>I want to fit in and be seen as normal like you
Huh......she does realize she looks completely different than a human, right? Is she actually using a spell that makes her look normal to everyone around her or are monsters normal in this setting?
I honestly just think they will go with Invader Zim logic of humans being just stupid.
At least Zim looked normal other than being green
jeez so many people seem to have seen this thing already i thought it wasn't coming out until the 30th was it leaked or something?
early showing at some animation convention i think
ah damn welp hope we don't get to many spoilers
Third leg
Did anybody point this out and joke about it in previous threads?
It seems
was right
there's an actual comic about this concept...
Care to Link me up to that?
i was about to, but Twitter nuked the source account. F.
You can still search it on rule34 i guess.
Sorry. ,':^)
Because of the comic or because the artist is into very weird stuff?
idk the artist was very into futa stuff iirc.
the moment they did Owl House porn they put a big target on their head. That show's fans are like rabid racoons out of control.
Looks like the soulless art style Oney
>Zach has a Crazy Frog penis
>Tomar, what if if Jaxxy was a blue skinned boneless squid woman? Would you say something?
>yeah... I guess I'd make her go to the doctor or something.
>You'd MAKE HER?
>Yeah it's (slight nervous laugh) it's a very serious medical problem
>Woah Tomar!
We gotta get Cory's thoughts on this movie once it's out.
>literal third leg
Wew, futa incoming
2 vaganias
2 uranus
I fricking hate this anesthetic. No thanks man.
I also hate anesthesia, I'm already feeling my limbds getr hartds
My Friend The Living Fleshlight
Jesus fricking Christ, why the frick is this redheaded teenager so goddamn sexy, I mean legitimately, it's like she was literally designed for a metric frickton of porn to be made of her, her face looks like it's incomplete without being covered in layers and layers of cum, her lips look like any big wiener you wave in front of her could fit perfectly between them, and her attitude, my God, her attitude, she struts around like she owns the place because she's serviced enough wiener to ensure that every male in a 50-mile radius will bend to her whims in an instant because she gave them the most mind-blowing sex of all time, holy fricking shitballs, this goes beyond the slampig fanart, her body is genuine perfection no matter how it looks, this character will single-handedly inspire the new generation to fall for redheads like so many have before them, myself included, seriously guys, you have no fricking idea how much I want her to suck my wiener, I don't care what anybody says, nobody understands, absolutely none of you fricking understand, this goes far beyond mere coombrain, I take one look at this girl and I can't believe my fricking eyes at the sheer perfection that was put into this character design, she's cute, she's snarky, she's sassy, and it seems as if there's just a hint of genuine heart within her, giving you hope that she can change for the better, but oddly enough, much of the appeal comes from a strange desire to see her change for the worse, and not only that, but to be by her side while that happens, so one day, the two of you may rule together with an iron fist, after all, what's a king without a queen, and by God, is she a queen, I'd kill my child if that meant she could be my queen, because holy hell would she be worth it, just look at her, tell me you wouldn't want her in your life, if you dare to disagree, you simply can't recognize a quality woman, I couldn’t possibly care less about what anybody says, Chelsea from Ruby Gillman is my one, my love, my all
>Monarchies are GREAT, some people are just born SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHERS, BY BLOOD
>Especially superior to THAT b***h BETSY BRIGHT
>God, I hope she got raped in college
>That's what she deserves for STEALING THAT GUY I HAD A CRUSH ON
Betsy Bright is best girl.
lol
God I hate that ugly fricking monstrosity of a love interest. He makes Johnny from Hotel Transylvania look like a sexual dynamo.
Imagine squirting lube on that mouth.
Some people are so lucky. KRAKEN SEX
Grubhub monsters aren't people.
mf got to pound that krussy
mf will not be appearing in the inevitable sequel/tv series.
I don't think there will be one if this just bombs
Counterargument: Home bombed (rightfully so, it butchered fantastic source material), and it got a TV show. It's what Dreamworks does.
Chelsea and Ruby will show up again after the movie. Captain Uglyfacehead will not.
Home didn’t bomb at all. It kind of overperformed at a time when dreamworks was in panic mode.
I could see them doing what they with with Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. Have the main couple meet in primary school even if it doesn't make sense at all
What is Home?
>7 vajajnahs
>possibly even more
>The reason this movie is going to bomb
>Implying most people are even aware that this movie exists
lol
man, so much people was looking for this movie as an alternative to the black mermaid, but damn this being that they have the audacity to call human makes the Little Mermaid Live Action looks good.
Gross.
So wholesome, i might watch this movie just for the romance
Lol how all people care about regarding this movie is the Ariel ripoff
Is there a full version of the song that we hear briefly in the trailer going
>whatcha gonna do when you get to the water?
I really like the vibe.
The fetish fuel just writes itself sometimes doesn't it?
New clip:
I genuinely don't think I've ever seen a movie reveal so much in trailers.
Eh, Sing trailers pretty much spoiler the entire thing even more than this one.
But besides that case, yeah...
Spiderverse released not too long ago
zzz
BORING
calamari party