Is /co aware of it? It seems the production process was a nightmare, with Netflix salvagening the Intelectual Property at the end.
On original comic book Nimona is a legitm agent of chaos, but here... it screams 3th wave feminism + social-identitarism.
What are your toughts?
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My thoughts are that you have a severe case of ESL.
>a new hero takes shape
Isn't that basically the opposite to what the story is about? She's not even a cute likable rogue, she's a psychopath
Keep in mind this was originally developed as a theatrical blue sky animation film, so they're 100% changing the source material.
And she was meant to be a likable rouge, Noelle just writes like shit.
Yeah she literally kills at least 3 people in the trailer
Yeah, the PG rating is a headscratcher.
Blackheart is considered a "villain" by the public because the actually-evil Shadow Government declares him Public Enemy #1 for trying to expose their shit.
Nimona joined up with him because she thought it would be a good excuse to commit epic murder. It's the big conflict initially, with him going "we don't kill unless we absolutely have to" and her going "you're meant to be a villain! They'll never take you seriously until your death toll skyrockets!"
I don't know how you really make this work with a PG rating, unless you switch to "Nimona vision" or something where her bloodbaths are represented by stick figures until it cuts to Blackheart's horrified expression.
>she's a psychopath
You are no better than the Institute. Nimona NOT being a psycopath is the whole goddamn point of her cahracter!
"She's broken, and her severe mental damage manifests as extreme and violent misanthropy" is a more accurate way of describing it, but anon was addressing the fact that the tagline says she's a hero, which is one thing that Nimona is decidedly not.
>She's broken, and her severe mental damage manifests as extreme and violent misandry
But enough about Noelle; let's talk about Nimona.
Aren't they the same?
What the frick happened to Noelle, bros?
His name is ND. I'm looking forward to his Hulu special.
mutilating herself so they'll keep giving her attention
She's just gonna wind up being a head in a jar huh?
Did her parents not pay attention to her as a child?
More or less yeah.
>raised in a conservative Christian household
>only daughter amongst two to three kids
>most attention was showered on them according to her
>deep-rooted insecurities develop
>got into art and started drawing LotR fanart on tumblr
>discovered fujoshit, fandom feeds into her insecurities
>gets a GN off the ground and draws shit like picrel on the side
>gets a bunch of attention showered on her, to the point she becomes a showrunner for She-Ra
>makes an overtly feminine hero andro as frick and claims people who complain are creepy men
>realizes being a female showrunner isn't remarkable anymore
>miraculously realizes she was the very thing she wanted to spite for years
>Noelle is now Nate
Also of note
>potentially steals a man's gf and later marries her
>her now wife continues to sleep with other men while she sleeps on the couch
>Noelle likely became Nate to even have a hope of competing with actual wiener
Wait the cuckold shit is unironic. Wtf that's really sad, I feel bad for her unless she's a sick frick like will smith and actually likes it which is really sick also
>sick frick like will smith
What did he do beside the slap?
Unironically his wife fricks his son's rapper friend in the house right next to him
Prove it.
>GN
What?
Graphic novel
Why does she have a bust in GN but not in the film?
because boobs were allowed back then
Women have been sexualized for fricking ever, why are they trooning out now?
>conservative christian household
lol first thing on the list says it all
he is lying, real conservatives whould have set her straight
except no they don't, the entire world knows that conversion therapy doesn't fricking work
it does, her parent didn't beat her hard enough
I think she felt too ugly to be a woman and decided she had a better shot at being attractive as a man. Like hqd to bw at least 50% of the reason
>Be white woman
>Grow up in middle-income household
>Create webcomics and actually manage to successfully publish a few
>Get work in California as a cartoon showrunner
>Make several connections that allow you to work on a couple more things and get a movie deal
>Make enough money that you can save up for expensive cosmetic surgeries
>Now become white man
>"The Freedom to Exist"
It's ironic because Noelle has had more opportunities and is much more fortunate than maybe half the country but still loves to talk about her """"struggles"""".
>Nimona is an obvious self-insert
>Made She-Ra about her being a lesbian and based Catradora on her own relationship.
>Published comic about herself.
>Makes Bobba Fett fancomic with Zam Wessel (who resembles ND) as a trans metaphor.
>nowadays makes substack comics talking about their personal life and being trans.
>The Hulu special about being trans.
Honestly I'm impressed with how long they've managed to keep a career of just making everything about themselves.
You can make money with fanfiction these days.
A lot of depressed people are being convinced their personal problems and demons are tied down to being the wrong sex.
They are given a concrete definitive goal to fix everything that is wrong with their lives.
Ironically Noelle had a long long long period of hating men.
They're insane; I don't think they should be making children's shows. Kids shoukdn't be exposed to this stuff.
Right now western cartoon studios are in a low-production quota so she hasn't been hired to make any children cartoons since She-Ra ended.
Her job possibilities now are much much much more diminished as she can't do any more cartoons about female lesbian protagonists the way she used to. The optics are wrong to have a MAN do that!
Even Nimona is a left-over project from before she changed her name.
Jesus, does she not realize how humiliating this looks?
>The optics are wrong to have a MAN do that!
Let's be honest, anon, no one considers trans men to actually be men. Even leftists see them as functionally equivalent to butch lesbians.
>kids should be exposed to this stuff
>talking like kids don't watch rick and morty which has potty humor and adult jokes
>uh no the children!
frick off
>LULZ IF THEY'RE ALREADY EXPOSED TO IT WHAT'S WRONG WITH DOING IT INTENTIONALLY?
You need to seek help with your mental health. I do not mean this as a joke.
>ermagerd their fragile minds will be corrupted, it is the children with weak minds, not my own! anyone who disagrees has a weak mind!
>Adult jokes and potty humor is the same as self-mutilation
You suffer delusions as trannies does.
>one person does self mutilation, so all the kids will do that
if you have a stupid fricking kid, yeah. they will.
if heroin was made legal tomorrow i guess you'd do heroin, huh?
so what you're admitting is you think your parents didn't beat you hard enough?
>you think your parents didn't beat you hard enough?
I'm not a troony so I'm fine
>it's okay that my parents beat me! everyone should beat their kids! i'm not projecting at all!
the only one here proyecting is you my man
ah, so you agree with the other anon that kids who disagree with you should be beaten?
what are you even talking about at this point?
read the thread
KEK which church? the catholic one has pedos
>indoctrination
you mean like forcing kids to go to church hundreds of times before they're an adult vs... *checks notes* oh wait there's nothing. you have no examples of anyone forcing kids to mutilate their bodies. no one is holding kids down and doing that, you fricking moron
> there's nothing
there is a pic of her with her breast chopped off in this thread
>the catholic one has pedos
Public school officials and rabbis are at least five to seven times more likely to diddle your kids than any priest.
>KEK which church? the catholic one has pedos
>were Gay priests are the pedophiles.
Classic leftie self-own
>KEK which church? the catholic one has pedos
Kind of weird how gay priests abusing mostly teen boys is painted solely as a Catholic religious scandal and nothing to do with homosexuality. But I agree with you, they need to stop hiring gay priests.
People mention the Catholic church but forget other religious institutions, sports, schools, as well as Hollywood and most showbiz can have cases of people getting abused.
There is a pattern I've noticed that the more an organization tries to keep a flawless image, the more likely they are to cover up anything that tarnishes it.
Oh? Sorry!
It's not like there's a massive Trans movement that kidnapped the goverment and medical institutions pushing kids to surgilcal mutilations!! :DDDD
>conservatives force their kids to be brainwashed at church every fricking sunday
>some cherry picked occurences of weirdos telling kids about something, not even forcing them to do anything is equated to MASS BODY MUTILATION ON ALL THE KIDDOS!
>go to church
>be normal
>let homosexuals indoctrinate kids
>they want to get their dicks mutilated
there is a huge difference
Yeah, surely does, you disingeous frick
>source: trust me bro
>religions have motivated murder and war, now we have to equate gender identity with thousands of years of religions indoctrination and oppression with it. i am intelligent
and that's an adult, not a kid, you fricking moron
>Historical events in the past happened due political (war) or personal (homicide) reasons.
>Since that happened, its only just to groom children to be trannies by mutilating and castrating themselves.
Delusional, delusional, delusional.
why does she want to be male if she hates them though?
The root of both desires is penis envy. Her girlfriend Molly cucked her with aman's penis while she listened in the next room so she's deeply insecure about not measuring up.
This habbit hole is deep.
The truth is stranger than fiction.
Was that a double mastectomy? jfc!
>Was that a double mastectomy? jfc!
Yeah
because she used to get triggered by comic shops
Quick, everybody tell her we find her neck really sexy.
Thats uncomfortable.
>She-Ra didn't look like a man for an actual purpose
Yep
>ermagerd the preteen character doesn't look like a porn star in season 1. what's the world coming to?
At what point during this """process""" does it become socially acceptable for them to show their chest?
If a shirtless female at a beach/pool had huge breasts yet identified as a man, would you be transphobic if you told her to cover up?
Frick, I just realized were due for a wave of shirtless "men" showing off their zipper chests while we're called transphobic for asking them to cover up the horror
As soon as they claim to be a man. After all no one tells chubby dudes they have to wear a shirt at the beach to cover up their moobs.
>"Why mommy Noelle, why? We loved you!"
Jesus, my god
Jesus Christ, I wonder if there was something wrong with you, but I didn’t expect it to run this deep
Nobody will ever be able to convince me that an open marriage is okay
....Literally the other way around you ninny. Molly cheated on her boyfriend who she was in a long-term relationship with when she invited Stevenson to stay over.
I remain flabbergasted that Cinemaphile keeps reversing who the cuckold in this scenario was. Hint: it's the guy that was unaware his girlfriend was fricking someone behind his back.
It's both. Molly cheated on her bf, then she and Noelle had an open relationship despite Noelle clearly having problems with it.
It went
1. Molly is dating a dude
2. Molly cucks the dude with a houseguest, but it's not serious
3. Molly decides to make it more serious, but still wants to frick the dude so it's an "open relationship"
4. The dude is left on the curb.
I just don't see how you do the mental math needed to convince yourself the dude "won" in this scenario. Of everyone involved he's the one that can most accurately be called a cuckold.
I mean he's not cutting off his balls and wearing a wig to try to entice Molly to stay with him so I'd say he won.
>Molly cucks the dude with a houseguest, but it's not serious
Hell of a way describe Molly fricking the dude in the bedroom and forcing Noelle to listen to the moaning and pounding while she lies on the couch. Bro, Noelle literally immortalized this moment in her own autobiographical comic, it's too late to rewrite history.
Bro, a cuckold is someone that thinks they're in a committed monogamous relationship, meanwhile their SO is fricking someone else. In this scenario, that's the dude.
When you're fricking a cheating girlfriend there's a period that she's going to be fricking both you and the dude she's cheating on. You can come up with all kinds of ways to spin that as sad or pathetic, but saying "well actually it's the guy in this scenario doing the cucking" is just fundamentally not understanding what a cuckold IS.
It was an open relationship (not cheating per se) and the only one who was not cool with it being like that (but pretended to be) was Noelle. She was the one going through heartwrench, she was the victim, she was the one who immortalized her emotional suffering, envy and pain in cartoon form. Label it how you want if you think she gets off from being a cuck on a technicality. In practical terms it amounts to the same. She listened while Molly got fricked in the next room. To most people that makes her a cuck, cope aside.
No one has ever said he "won" when this stuff gets posted schizo. The whole situation is depressingly sad for all parties involved.
Maybe becomes it's hard to spin the person who was forced to listen to the woman she loved getting railed in the next room as the winner..
*because
That's the person who got married though.
Alpha fricks/beta bucks
Envy
More of her rants against men.
You ever hate something so much you become it?
I fricking hate younger people, they make my blood boil.
Careful, Anon, you almost used "no cap", there.
>More of her rants against men
Can't blame ND
Cis straight men have easy mode
Creating characters like Kyle seem petty though. Especially the guy did literally nothing wrong.
Kyle didn't deserve the hate. I'm glad he got to be happy with his Lizard Boyfriend and buff tomboy girlfriend.
Kyle deserved better
Oh? Only cis men? So life for trans men is hard? Except most trans men pass well once the testosterone kicks in as it's so powerful, so why would their lives be especially hard? Because they pass as low status awkward manlets, and life for cis men is only "easy mode" for top tier males. Trans men get to experience life as a normal male and they get quickly disillusioned with their supposed newfound 'privileged'.
"I hate men" comes from "waaah that guy in the gym looked in my general direction for one second", while "I hate women" comes from "she can steal everything in the divorce, pull a knife on me, slip me a mickey, and mock me when I get drafted to war with absolutely no consequences"
most women aren't scared of the pervert trannies sneaking into their changing rooms
I come from Pakistan, man. I have seen women treated like absolute subhuman, I don't get why western feminists genuinely seem to think that they live anywhere near as awful think
What bipolar disorder does to a motherfricker
It occurs to me that now that feminism has been largely supplanted by african identitarianism and trans activism in the public consciousness, the temptation for noelle to transition to a new victimhood identification must have been enormous.
Life in a society that celebrates a clearly obvious type of mental illness instead of treating it.
>it screams 3th wave feminism + social-identitarism.
You're just using buzz words to describe a character you find annoying, right?
Well she was also insufferable in the comic book so it seems like a faithful adaptation to me. Maybe it will be better interpreted by people who aren't Noelle "lesbians can get away with war crimes" Stevenson
"Woke " is o buzz word. The endeavour to find a fit replacement take me to the 2th page of google search.
I feel like it doesn't matter how good the end product actually is it's a victim of poor timing where these types of characters feel dated and the audience will approach them with preconceptions that will rob them of the ability to enjoy the story.
I hear Nimona is actually the villain and some sort of evil magic folk creature that can shapeshift but lots of people won't get get to that twist if they think she's a run of the mill 3d wave feminist character.
Nimona would probably feel fresh if it came out in 2007 or something.
She's not the villain, the original source material has this cartoonishly evil society that is the pinnacle of those joker memes made real. They're the villains, Nemona is just the typical "problematic fave" from all these type of hack stories.
Well fortunately for you, people are actually going to watch a movie on Netflix through to the end.
yeah I think it will be more successful on streaming than in theaters
The dumbest part about the original story is how it wasn't even about Nemona, it was about these gay knights. She was literally just there fricking around, then she causes some havoc and leaves forever.
That Black gay knight was the best character.
She brought Ambrosious and Ballister back together and helped abolish the Institute.
can't stand the artstyle
porn artists can fix it
yeah but ugly shows only attract ugly artists
I read the comic when it was storytimed the other week. It was surprisingly not bad. Imma skip the cartoon, though. I’ve had my fill of BPD writing for the year.
why are they giving attention to unabashed racist?
That whole situation was fricking hilarious.
and yet she learned nothing from it.
>2020
Three years later and Cinemaphile is not only still talking about it, but somehow convinced that other people were still talking about it a week later.
>unabashed racist
it isn't racist though lol. it was twitter doing witch trials
reminder, Kate had hers chopped off too. Its a disease
And she also constany tweeted about hating men before yeeting her teats. Coincidence?
If being a woman wasn’t dishonorable they would stop cutting their breasts off. They are doing it more than men turning their dicks inside out and getting implants. Clearly this is a result of how upset the average woman is at being scrutinized, sexualized, and marketed at in a way that makes it seem like her womanhood is appearance and being motherly, the only thing that matters. This is the end result.
The woman rebels makeup, loose clothing, calls for marriage and parenthood, sexualization, and the constant of harmless annoying male advances. She starts wondering if things would be different if she was male and starts wanting to be perceived as male. She rejects her former group and becomes radicalized on the internet or those likeminded in life.
So we come to the “male” haircut, baggy clothes, binding the chest, pronouns, nickname. It’s past the point of tomboy and this is where things grow more sinister. It’s inevitable that the first surgery must happen. The Gofundme gets put up and all the other “males” swarm to help fund the madness. She is now no longer a sexual object (as the fluid from a double mastectomy drains into a bag), what she had always wanted but she is certainly not a male. No matter how much testosterone she injects into her her hips will always be a little wider, her shoulders narrower, her chin softer, she will always be a “man”let, and of course her reproductive anatomy stays mostly the same. Her menstruation infuriates her. With her breasts zippered she wants to feel like a male, she thinks she’s close. It is the fault of society that her mind has been warped this far. We have failed every single little girl who had tomboyish or rebellious nature. Soon these girls will follow their peers and will have the flesh from their forearms sliced off leaving large indented scars and their c**ts mutilated to form a Frankenstein’s phallus that defies nature and feel empowered for doing so and there’s nothing we can do.
Putting everything else aside, it actually looks pretty cool. Sort of a 2000s pop punk take on a fairy tale.
no it don't. looks like more twee shit
If anything, I’m relieved it’s CG. Imagine if they used the original style with those godawful noses.
Animation looks good, but the actual writing is kinda annoying. It's like trying to do something slightly different form the norm, but the actual dialogue is the exact same sort of joke you see in every movie. It reminds me of the last blue sky movie, which wasn't horrible, but nothing special.
What other characters are there?
I have no idea what this is about, nor do I care, but I hope she succeeds in her quest, finding the rest of her hair.
before
I know that they completely changed one of the main trio's designs to match the e-celeb non-voice actor they cast for the part.
The tagline is worrying. In the book Nimona was decidedly not the hero. You were meant to THINK she was, but the more you read the more you realized that she was a severely broken person whose chaotic nature and staggering power pushed the actual protagonist to action.
If they tried to rewrite things to make her The Hero, they fricked up big time.
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1666822637597917188?t=yae1qVGv9KunxDBWI4Olhg&s=09
Watch out. She's not like other girls. She likes blood and guts. She's snarky.
Is there a term for "Subverting the norm becomes so common it becomes the new norm"?
I'm sure that Cinemaphile will think of plenty of complaints when it comes out, but if it follows the book at all "Nimona is just a typical girl protagonist, based on what's become the new norm" will not be one of them.
If it does. Remember, most movies stray from the book. Movie Shrek =/ Book Shrek.
Is that kind of girl that commonplace now? To me it's more like the "Superman but evil" but, most people complain about it being overdone but there's like a half-dozen recent examples at best, and still overshadowed by the original
Louise is a better version of this type of character than Nemona will ever be
Well... yes, technically true, because that's not the type of character that Nimona is.
wtf why did no one tell me the guy with confusing panel layouts is hot now
>Nooo you can't discuss a comic creator and cartoonist on the comics & cartoons board!
>thread goes from b***hing about Noelle to b***hing about gender and Twitter
/co/, what the frick is wrong with you?
Stop being disingenuous, homosexual.
Noelle quit following the examples of Vivze please.
>being a schizo
Implying that the crew never lurk on this site.
I HIGHLY doubt that,
This entire thread has been filled with nothing but transphobia towards noelle. I don’t know him or care about him and I think he’s ugly but holy shit rent free. Trannies in my head rent free
>Noooooo you can't point out vices, flaws, and mental illness!!!! reeeeeeeee!!!
You can't spend an entire thread doing that to a creator, spinning off on tangental rants about sections of society, while pretending you're actually talking about the creator's work, no.
Uh yes you can and this thread is proof of that and your just salty that's happening.
Like her version of She-Ra, Nimona can only properly be truly comprehended in the light of the author's mental state.
Silence.
Shut up Noelle wife.
>mental state
Is it going to get worst?
I know you're just baiting but in all honesty, frick you. Black folk that do nothing but b***h about creators while ignoring their work entirely are no better than Twitter trannies canceling people for incredibly petty reasons.
You're wrong, we are better.
Those sections of society tangentially cought NOELLE(Woman and Female) Stevenson offguard her mental state.
Um his name is ND, shitlord.
Not that anon but no we don't have to placate egoism nor delusions.
Finished reading my copy yesterday; it's great; and I really wanna' see what they do with this material. Hopefully they expand on Ballister and Ambrosious; I could use more of those two (Nimona is wonderful but she already has the spotlight).
So it's Beast Boy, but being a green male wasn't progressive enough?
>what are your thoughts
i think it looks like shit. it's been like a year or more since i read nimona, but i wasn't drawn in it all, i didn't see how it deserved an award, i could have sworn she was a dragon creature, NOT a shapeshifter, and what the frick why can't we have more she-ra material instead of shit crap? there could be a mara prequel, a scorpia's parents and war crimes of hordak prequel, a war crimes trial sequel or continuation, and a sea-ra and the star siblings spinoff. what the frick it would be a slam dunk
looks like the writers are allergic to the source material just like nu-wars, just like whatever the frick tolkien token elf show, and now this. it's pretty easy to stick to the source material, the work is already done, but egotists have to "make their mark" and shit things up
But this is Noelle's own work, warts and all.
then he can't stick to his own script
They would never hire a straight man like ND Stevenson to do work on an iconic lesbian and women's liberation icon like She-Ra. They would have to find another lesbian woman to be showrunner, like Noelle Stevenson (R.I.P.).
Getting cucked by having a loving relationship with a woman instead of fricking a hard of literal who gold diggers?
Being a “cuck” doesn’t sound that bad actually