It’s less Marvel fatigue and more that the MCU just feels really unfocused lately. After defeating Thanos and most of the original crew disbanding... there’s definitely a bit of a “now what?” feeling settling in - not helped at all by the tots lack of overall direction so far this phase.
The lack of focus was intentional. I think it was a bad choice. They wanted to move into a more episodic movie format where other heroes would guest star and the Multiverse was supposed to be the draw. But thing that made Marvel unique was the serialized structure- centering around the Infinity Stones and the mysteries surrounding them.
Then they dropped the hook of mystery and scooped up flavor of the week/stunt casting/nostalgia. Even worse they shelved the most popular characters and replaced them with people who cannot carry their own movies. Nobody cares about the women heroes. It is absolutely true, no one cares. Boseman died. Thor is now too goddamn wacky. Strange is a weak lead. There is no character that is the heart or moral center like Captain America. The whole post IW is a wash. Feige either needs to go back to what worked with F4 and X-Men (likely 5-6 years away). Or just let it die. Hopefully the latter since Disney openly said they are agenda-driven now and do not care about quality.
This is actually a common thing in the comics after a huge blowout crossover event.
Stories start working towards a big world changing event, and after it happens, there's a shake-up that needs to be resolved. Sometimes that is the new thing becoming the status quo, meanwhile every other aspect of a character's backstory tends to go "back to basics". It works towards creating a lull or palate cleanser until the next event. It's also a way of retaining the core elements that people like about the characters while slowly scaling the stakes back down, as the characters navigate their new status quo.
You're just not used to movies doing this, because the only long form narratives that Hollywood seems to end up doing is continuing to do BIGGER BETTER FASTER - aka spectacle creep - until no one gives a shit. And that last bit is the part that you're anticipating will happen here, deservedly so since Hollywood usually doesn't learn its lessons. The best idea Hollywood came up to combat narrative blowout or spectacle creep is "rebooting", and that is such a midwit idea that comics already figured out how to it do with the first 25 years of the medium.
Honestly I hope what the MCU is doing here pays off, because like, fricking JaRule and Tyrese Gibbons just went to fricking space in a car. Are they gonna go punch God next? It's fricking ridiculous. I can't take it.
I really fricking hope that some of what comics learned to do right with regards to serialized storytelling can be imparted into the movie medium. Because considering it's the only genre propping up the movie industry right now, the Hollywood morons need the help.
A lot of the de-emphasizing of old heroes is Marvel shitting bricks because their copyrights are all due to expire. Too bad the only thing they have to take their place is woke abominations that are going to crash and burn.
The new movies are so episodic, you could watch the newer ones without seeing any of the others. In fact, not watching them would actually help. Multiverse of Madness is fricking incomprehensible garbage if you've seen previous movies with the same characters.
I will also add the removal of power scaling. Avengers 1 did many things right, one of them was to have every single battle provide clear power hierarchy between the heroes. Avengers 2, as well.
Nowadays?
Capt. Marvel is never seen absorbing energy, she is at 100% all the time (another reason why she is anappealling).
Scarlet Witch, was always a mess in the comics, and is part of her character to have nebulous powers, but if yoy put her with Dr.Strange, then the plot is robbed of any sense of power scaling, hence tension. And the MCU always had a stakes issue.
Dr. Strange started ok for a magic user, but now he performs all kinds of weird stuff with no drawbacks, or recurrence. I would prefer him being weird and obscure in other heroe's movies, but at least give some set up for his tricks in his own movies. (What were those floating giant hands?)
Random multiverse bullshit, random heroes with random powers solving random plots. All with a heavy dose of the *MESSAGE*.
Don't forget the spectre of bREE. The core audience is convinced that Marvel is going full wokeshit, which they probably are. Which means it actually worse than nothing is being promised, it's actually them promising something the audience really does not want.
It's not even fatigue, it's bREE told the billion dollar audience that Marvel is now for women and minorities, the billion dollars was neither, so they dropped it. And of course they did, vidya companies, the entire country of Japan, youtube wankers with patreons, there will never ever be a shortage of people lined up for those incelbux. You tell em to leave because it's not for them, they do.
I'm saying, that in terms of what the billion dollar audience is expecting from marvel, it's a sexual harassment in the workplace video with a budget. We're all just bracing ourselves for the inevitable compulsory white man bad lecture, we know it's coming, and we don't want to get tricked into paying for it again.
>really unfocused lately
its literally fast food cinema brought to you by disney. there was a few good marvel flicks back in the day, when real directors and what have you were involved. but this shit is live action tv-show tier bullshit. throw in the woke shit and you got a steaming hot pile of fast food veggie burgers.
Ilumination is fast food cinema and people love it, as they love fast food.
These movies are shit with sprinkles, people don't realize is shit till they bite it.
Capeshit Dumbfrick.
Not that your answer is going to be in any way sensible, list your top three superhero movies.
Name one superhero movie you paid to see more than once.
What's that you can't? Well imagine my shock.
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Why would I humor a humongous gay like you?
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>Not a sensible answer
Because you're clearly quite stupid.
2 years ago
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I'm not the one that likes capeshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you're the one hanging around in threads about capeshit looking for attention from people you claim to despise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I like how flustered you people get when someone doesn't like your shitty movies.
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Anonymous
Funny I don't like anything about you at all. You come into my hobby to ruin it, and I have no shortage of people who do that.
But what annoys me is that you seem to think anyone is listening to you, that you're actually making some sort of case, when in fact we have been dealing with your ilk since the 80s.
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Anonymous
Damn you really do care a lot.
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Anonymous
tbf you're the one egging him on
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Anonymous
It doesn't matter. He's been in every thread all day. He not actually trolling, he thinks what he's doing is contributing.
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He can't be the same guy (I hope), there's probalbly dozens of dudes here that only seek to annoy.
At least he's not mass replying.
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really gay post
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My top 3 are Man of Steel, Infinity War and the Donner Superman movie.
There is no Avengers movie to tie all the characters together again.
The Avengers movies (and Cap 3) were used to help connect the movies and make it feel like a universe.
Now there are so many solo movies and shows of characters doing their own thing that it feels disconnected.
This is on point. As loose and sloppy as it was, as many unanswered(and frankly unconsidered) questions as the Infinity War arc had, people had the sense of a longer overarching story being told. That's absent now.
The lack of focus was intentional. I think it was a bad choice. They wanted to move into a more episodic movie format where other heroes would guest star and the Multiverse was supposed to be the draw. But thing that made Marvel unique was the serialized structure- centering around the Infinity Stones and the mysteries surrounding them.
Then they dropped the hook of mystery and scooped up flavor of the week/stunt casting/nostalgia. Even worse they shelved the most popular characters and replaced them with people who cannot carry their own movies. Nobody cares about the women heroes. It is absolutely true, no one cares. Boseman died. Thor is now too goddamn wacky. Strange is a weak lead. There is no character that is the heart or moral center like Captain America. The whole post IW is a wash. Feige either needs to go back to what worked with F4 and X-Men (likely 5-6 years away). Or just let it die. Hopefully the latter since Disney openly said they are agenda-driven now and do not care about quality.
Them doing the Multiverse and supposedly building up to Secret Wars when they're still introducing characters was such a huge frick up, how are people supposed to care about the regular universe and characters when you just introduced the idea that Tobey Maguire can come back, which means any old actor/character can also come back, people will just look forward to that, why would they give a shit about Shang Chi 2 or Ms Marvel?
And then Sony also wants to do their own multiverse bullshit, meaning that Spider-man will be in those movies too, it's all a fricking mess and people will just get sick of it
The first phases were pretty straight forward, you can tell how it all connects, now it's all over the place, they're at DC level of incompetence, seems like Feige just stopped giving a shit or wasn't that smart to begin with
It'll earn around the same as Ragnarok, perhaps less. I think people will find it underwhelming. A lot of people were mixed on Taika and feel the story ended with Endgame.
It's not Marvel fatigue perse. It's woke fatigue I'd say. And in this case a bit of Taika's "humour" being too prevalent.
Everyone knows this Thor movie will mostly be about Jane and Valkyrie, their developing lesbian relationship, with constant cringy jokes. Doesn't sound like too good of a movie really.
>she brings the rainbow?
are you talking about her power generating rainbow beam dont you moron realize not everthing rainbow is related to lgbthiv+ movement
>not everthing rainbow is related to lgbthiv+ movement
At this point that's kind of like saying not everything with a swastika on it is related to the third reich. I know it's true, but at the same time I see a swastika I jump to conclusions.
>Everyone knows this Thor movie will mostly be about Jane and Valkyrie, their developing lesbian relationship
The whole plot already leaked, there's nothing in there about Valkyrie being bi or lesbian or whatever. Apparently they sideline Valkyrie to make room for Jane. That's the thing about these queerbaiting MCU films, they can just give the barest hints of LGBT content and the fans will act like it's revelatory.
>Movie starts with Korg telling the story of Thor, which includes a workout montage, small comedic sex scene, fight scenes with the Guardians, and more. >At the beginning of the film the Guardians are jokingly trying to get rid of Thor. >Jane Foster has cancer, and Darcy Lewis is there in a small role. So is Erik Selvig, but he attends on a computer screen. They are trying to find a cure for her. >She goes to New Asgard, and the hammer Mjölnir “senses” her and gives her Thors power. The power makes her cancer worse, but Jane knows she’s dying anyways. >Gorr has a family that died, and blames the gods. His story is tied to a god named Eternity, which we are told looked incredibly comic accurate. Gorr finds a sword that can kill gods and give him extra powers, and starts to do so. >Thor, Korg, Valkyrie, and Jane go to a god city, and see Zeus. Zeus is evil and tries to kill them. Thor injuries (but doesn’t kill) Zeus. At some point in this sequence, there’s a huge crowd of gods from around the universe, including a Kronan god (Korg's god), and most memorably a god with only a head and legs.
>Thor realizes that Jane has cancer, and wants her to stop, but Jane wants to help. This is a really emotional scene. >The team then fights Gorr, and Jane sacrifices herself to stop Gorr. Somehow Gorr’s daughter comes back (a young actress), and Jane is dead. >End of movie also included Korg having a kid with another Korg with a mustache. Korg is gay btw, since all Kroans are male (as depicted in the comics). >First Post Credit Scene is the Hercules one. Zeus sends Hercules (presumably Goldstein) to kill Thor (who is with Gorr’s daughter now). Hercules is wearing basically nothing, and has only one line. This scene is setting up a sequel of some sort. >Second scene is Heimdall in a white and gray robe welcoming Jane to Valhalla. >Other things to note: >Heimdall has a son with powers who summons Thor to Earth. >There is a girl who fights monsters with a plushy rabbit. >There’s another play sequence, like the one in Ragnarok. It involves Hela breaking Thor’s hammer. >The Warriors 3 are referenced
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>gay
Uh oh, this might be the second Disney movie to get banned in my country
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They'll just have two versions of the movie, one where the CGI rock monster has a moustache and one where it doesn't.
>Thor realizes that Jane has cancer, and wants her to stop, but Jane wants to help. This is a really emotional scene. >The team then fights Gorr, and Jane sacrifices herself to stop Gorr. Somehow Gorr’s daughter comes back (a young actress), and Jane is dead. >End of movie also included Korg having a kid with another Korg with a mustache. Korg is gay btw, since all Kroans are male (as depicted in the comics). >First Post Credit Scene is the Hercules one. Zeus sends Hercules (presumably Goldstein) to kill Thor (who is with Gorr’s daughter now). Hercules is wearing basically nothing, and has only one line. This scene is setting up a sequel of some sort. >Second scene is Heimdall in a white and gray robe welcoming Jane to Valhalla. >Other things to note: >Heimdall has a son with powers who summons Thor to Earth. >There is a girl who fights monsters with a plushy rabbit. >There’s another play sequence, like the one in Ragnarok. It involves Hela breaking Thor’s hammer. >The Warriors 3 are referenced
>Thor realizes that Jane has cancer, and wants her to stop, but Jane wants to help. This is a really emotional scene. >The team then fights Gorr, and Jane sacrifices herself to stop Gorr. Somehow Gorr’s daughter comes back (a young actress), and Jane is dead. >End of movie also included Korg having a kid with another Korg with a mustache. Korg is gay btw, since all Kroans are male (as depicted in the comics). >First Post Credit Scene is the Hercules one. Zeus sends Hercules (presumably Goldstein) to kill Thor (who is with Gorr’s daughter now). Hercules is wearing basically nothing, and has only one line. This scene is setting up a sequel of some sort. >Second scene is Heimdall in a white and gray robe welcoming Jane to Valhalla. >Other things to note: >Heimdall has a son with powers who summons Thor to Earth. >There is a girl who fights monsters with a plushy rabbit. >There’s another play sequence, like the one in Ragnarok. It involves Hela breaking Thor’s hammer. >The Warriors 3 are referenced
What a shit plot. Also Zeus as a villain? Gorr seems shit enough already.
>Thor realizes that Jane has cancer, and wants her to stop, but Jane wants to help. This is a really emotional scene. >The team then fights Gorr, and Jane sacrifices herself to stop Gorr. Somehow Gorr’s daughter comes back (a young actress), and Jane is dead. >End of movie also included Korg having a kid with another Korg with a mustache. Korg is gay btw, since all Kroans are male (as depicted in the comics). >First Post Credit Scene is the Hercules one. Zeus sends Hercules (presumably Goldstein) to kill Thor (who is with Gorr’s daughter now). Hercules is wearing basically nothing, and has only one line. This scene is setting up a sequel of some sort. >Second scene is Heimdall in a white and gray robe welcoming Jane to Valhalla. >Other things to note: >Heimdall has a son with powers who summons Thor to Earth. >There is a girl who fights monsters with a plushy rabbit. >There’s another play sequence, like the one in Ragnarok. It involves Hela breaking Thor’s hammer. >The Warriors 3 are referenced
This is even worse than I thought. I imagined the movie would be centered around Hershlag learning to be a superhero or around Thor coming to terms with him being the King of Asgard and to quit playing around with mortals. I was even ready for Hershlag, or someone else, to replace him permanently. But instead literally nothing happens. This movie is pointless, even Ragnarok had character development for Thor and changes to the overarching story. I don't think Gorr kills a single God based on the leaks.
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Anonymous
Thor gets a kid sidekick at the end, that seems to be the only real development in the story. Weird that it's "Gorr's Daughter" though, like not even an Asgardian or someone with a Thor related theme.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So more female superheroes to piggyback off established heroes. Female Loki, female Hawkeye, female Hulk, female Thor, and now you have another new female character who will tag along with Thor.
No wonder this phase is bombing. Is there any new hero that's going to be able to carry the MCU?
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>Is there any new hero that's going to be able to carry the MCU?
No. And worse they're trying to shift it all onto the shoulders of Pratt and Hemsworth. I like both of them, but they are not even close to up to that task. Benjamin Cumberdick has underperformed, Evans and RDJ are gone, bREE is obviously a non-starter, and they keep bringing in new WAPOC despite the fact that there are simply nowhere near enough handsome white chads for them to play off.
At this point their best option might be to just go straight to the Harem fantasy.
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>Thor gets a kid sidekick at the end
No, just no. This shit never works.
>She goes to New Asgard, and the hammer Mjölnir “senses” her and gives her Thors power.
Why didn't it do that before? Does the hammer take pity on people now?
>Apparently they sideline Valkyrie to make room for Jane.
So Finn 2 electric boogaloo. Even though minorities are supposedly higher on the progressive stack, and they use the frick out of them to market their dreck, when the rubber meets the road its always a liberal white woman in the spotlight.
Same old song and, same old song and dannnccceeeee, my friend....
theres no such thing as comic book movie fatigue batman literally already get played by more than five actors and the newest movie still doing great people still gonna warch it
Batman should've made a billion, it didn't
Doctor Strange 2 should've made a billion, it didn't
The Disney Plus shows should have viewership as big as Netflix's most popular shows, they don't
Nobody cared about Shang Chi or Eternals, which were new characters with movies
Only recent successful capeshit movie was Spider-man, the most popular superhero of all time, in a movie where Tobey Maguire comes back and they constantly reference the OG movies for more nostalgia points
Capeshit is dying, Marvel is dying, DC is already dead. It's over
I know it bombed but still some people went to see it out of guilt. It woud've bombed harder if they didn't pull the lesbo kiss fake outrage around.
Most of the publicity in social media about it is that if you didn't watch it you're nazi homophobe trump suppporter.
>It woud've bombed harder if they didn't pull the lesbo kiss fake outrage around.
I disagree. Everyone I talk to sees right through the outrage bait nowadays. > look at my compilation of twitter screencaps
Twitter isn't real life, bro.
I remember back when Shang-Chi dropped even liberals that I spoke to on University campuses couldn't muster more enthusiasm than "I think it's great that there's an asian superhero now but I don't know if I'm going to bother seeing it"
>I disagree. Everyone I talk to sees right through the outrage bait nowadays.
Well someone saw it and it wasn't because it was an engaging movie. >look at my compilation of twitter screencaps
I'm talking about various facebook groups ridiculing the outrage like if it was real. You gotta admit that social media has some influence in real life, frick twitter though I don't use that shit.
I find it fricking hilarious that every time Jared Leto touches a superhero property fans just absolutely shit all over him for it. I wonder if he's learned his lesson yet.
Nah Black Pander 2 is not going to do with, not with the Chad Dick Based Man recast. >Oh yeah but what about Okoye and the smartmouth little sister
Nobody is paying for that. You might get a few fricking wanker who think they're buying an N-word pass, but if that makes $400mil I'll be gobsmacked.
Fantastic Four and Blade to have pre-existing fanbases, but that's actually a problem because they're going to have expectations and those expectations will not be met. Imagine trying to "update" Fantastic Four while still staying true to the source, it's not possible. It will be a shitstorm Normies won't want a part of, Comic Book Guy will boycott, anime will become mainstream, Marvel dies.
Black Panther 2 will do the same thing the first did, where black people are brought tickets by celebs and others out of guilt. I would not be surprised if the movie has a memorial scene for T'Challa and they propaganda him into another George Floyd for black people to flock around.
It won't do as well as the previous film, but it's the only MCU movie this year that has a chance at $1bn.
Fantastic Four has gotten repeatedly fricked up and now they do a fancast and kill off the character making him look like a moron in the process. If they cast anyone different it'll piss people off, if they deviate from the comics it'll piss people off and they likely want the Fantastic Four to be more diverse because you won't have an all white team. Jon Watts ditched the project understanding it was going to suck.
Blade is just going to be uninteresting, it's got an eternals character in it for some reason.
Mental illness, they actually believed Wakanda was a real place and had been so conned by consumerism that they believed a movie about Wakanda was going to somehow make them represented. At which point they started to ape out more, so they've been killed off in increasing amounts since.
Mental illness, they actually believed Wakanda was a real place and had been so conned by consumerism that they believed a movie about Wakanda was going to somehow make them represented. At which point they started to ape out more, so they've been killed off in increasing amounts since.
>The frick was that all about?
Don't act like this is a black thing. Every big movie has people doing weird shit at the theatre. Tron 2 and Avatar had people in cosplay. Batman had a shooter and civilians were complaining that they can't now carry guns to the movies to save people in case it happens again.
>Black Panther 2 will do the same thing the first did, where black people are brought tickets by celebs and others out of guilt.
That doesn't work twice. Those people have bought their n-word pass, they don't need another one.
> if they deviate from the comics it'll piss people off
The trouble there is that the comics are rooted in the 1950s idea of the nuclear family, which just does not translate today. It just doesn't. You can't have Sue Storm as the dutiful wife playing the support role to Daddy Fantastic Reed Richards. Her critical job outside of combat is cooking while Reed does literally all of the important things and Johnny causes trouble. That's not just an archaic view of women, that's alien view of women to most millenials, never mind zoomers. Even in 2004 it was clearly a problem, but they erred on the side of conservatism and BARELY made it work.
The audience is going to be WAY more demanding this time after the tragedy that was Fan4stic. There is simply no way to please them. And you can find a few oldgays on Cinemaphile you'll all know they're all ready to blow when it's not up to their completely unreasonable expectations.
So plan B - Full woke. That convinces the whole audience their expectations were right and now everyone explodes.
Plan C - some compromise. Well now nobody is happy. Not only does Cinemaphile go ballistic but so does twitter.
It's a no win situation. It will not just fail as a movie, it will drag the whole MCU under with it.
>who decided Natalie Hershlag had the charisma for a superhero perfomrnace?
Kevin homosexual. In the comics, when Jane becomes "Thor" her body and voice completely change. They could have cast a stunt actress and kept the helmet on all the time, and then dub Hershlag's voice on top. Easy solution. But nah, homosexual decided to use CGI on her arms and call it a day.
I hope so. My coworkers are hardcore Marvel soys and even they’re pissed off at how shitty the marvel shows and how disappointing the new Dr. strange and eternals movies were
I think these movies are fine, for free, on my uncle's Disney+ account. Seriously, how will they square the streaming factor now that they move stuff their so fast? How can anything have legs anymore? Unless the movie is absolutely killer, people may just wait.
Maybe they'll release the Black Panther 2 trailer only in theaters to give it a boost. That movie is only 4 months away now and they won't even say who is playing Black Panther.
Maybe it makes me racist but I find this really vile how they turned a Norse mythological being, a valkyrie, black and then have her ride a pegasus of some sort.
Yes because it's Cinemaphile. I thought it's supposed to be ridiculous stupid shit so I post over the top stuff. This is why Cinemaphile is always going to be funner than Reddit that's full a bunch of homosexuals that only know how to complain.
The gayest shit in an MCU movie to date is a character having gay moms, that's literally it. Some shit that might have been boundary pushing on a sitcom in the 90s.
They're treating Jane having Cancer as a spoiler, for some reason. The social media embargo has lifted. Fanboys seemed to mostly like it, but the film critics who mentioned it were mostly negative. It'll be interesting to see how the reviews go with they drop on Tuesday.
If anything it seems like woke people will turn on the film, Lady Thor dies and the supposedly bisexual character is sidelined and her sexuality never broached.
This narrative that Disney created that Ms Marvel, Obi wan Kenobi and other shows/films bombed because the audience hates minorities isn'tgoing to work forever
"By then, Hemsworth and Waititi had discussed what they would want in a potential fourth Thor film,[30] and Hemsworth said a month later that he would consider returning if there was "another great script".
Why do actors/actresses say shit like this? We all know money is the determining factor
Hemsworth will play Thor for the rest of his life if he's smart. Nobody cares about these people unless they have a marvel logo attached. People thought RDJ was the biggest star in the world but Dolittle put a stop to that. Cruise really is the last movie star
Can we ban baby's first text styles on posters? It always looks so shite and clashes with the poster. It's not typography when it's a basic ass font with a deviantart tier layer styles thrown on top.
No, we’re just back to the days where a billion at the box office is rare.
>we’re just back to the days where a billion at the box office is rare.
I bet excecs are telling themselves that too.
I think people also have to realize "Oh shit I only need to wait like a month and a half and then it'll be on Disney+".
>Disney didn't pay for articles bragging about ticket presales
They need to give their PR chick a stern talking to for that oversight.
How about they give her big throbbing dick like Harvey did to his female employees
I don't think anyone is unironically expecting it to flop but marvel fatigue is real.
It’s less Marvel fatigue and more that the MCU just feels really unfocused lately. After defeating Thanos and most of the original crew disbanding... there’s definitely a bit of a “now what?” feeling settling in - not helped at all by the tots lack of overall direction so far this phase.
The lack of focus was intentional. I think it was a bad choice. They wanted to move into a more episodic movie format where other heroes would guest star and the Multiverse was supposed to be the draw. But thing that made Marvel unique was the serialized structure- centering around the Infinity Stones and the mysteries surrounding them.
Then they dropped the hook of mystery and scooped up flavor of the week/stunt casting/nostalgia. Even worse they shelved the most popular characters and replaced them with people who cannot carry their own movies. Nobody cares about the women heroes. It is absolutely true, no one cares. Boseman died. Thor is now too goddamn wacky. Strange is a weak lead. There is no character that is the heart or moral center like Captain America. The whole post IW is a wash. Feige either needs to go back to what worked with F4 and X-Men (likely 5-6 years away). Or just let it die. Hopefully the latter since Disney openly said they are agenda-driven now and do not care about quality.
>They were merely pretending to be unfocused.
This is actually a common thing in the comics after a huge blowout crossover event.
Stories start working towards a big world changing event, and after it happens, there's a shake-up that needs to be resolved. Sometimes that is the new thing becoming the status quo, meanwhile every other aspect of a character's backstory tends to go "back to basics". It works towards creating a lull or palate cleanser until the next event. It's also a way of retaining the core elements that people like about the characters while slowly scaling the stakes back down, as the characters navigate their new status quo.
You're just not used to movies doing this, because the only long form narratives that Hollywood seems to end up doing is continuing to do BIGGER BETTER FASTER - aka spectacle creep - until no one gives a shit. And that last bit is the part that you're anticipating will happen here, deservedly so since Hollywood usually doesn't learn its lessons. The best idea Hollywood came up to combat narrative blowout or spectacle creep is "rebooting", and that is such a midwit idea that comics already figured out how to it do with the first 25 years of the medium.
Honestly I hope what the MCU is doing here pays off, because like, fricking JaRule and Tyrese Gibbons just went to fricking space in a car. Are they gonna go punch God next? It's fricking ridiculous. I can't take it.
I really fricking hope that some of what comics learned to do right with regards to serialized storytelling can be imparted into the movie medium. Because considering it's the only genre propping up the movie industry right now, the Hollywood morons need the help.
>fricking JaRule and Tyrese Gibbons just went to fricking space in a car.
The Fast and The Furious is the funniest example of spectacle creep. The first movie was about a bunch of cholo gearheads stealing VCRs.
I think the idea of what they are doing is fine, but the movies just don't seem to stand well on their own anymore.
A lot of the de-emphasizing of old heroes is Marvel shitting bricks because their copyrights are all due to expire. Too bad the only thing they have to take their place is woke abominations that are going to crash and burn.
The new movies are so episodic, you could watch the newer ones without seeing any of the others. In fact, not watching them would actually help. Multiverse of Madness is fricking incomprehensible garbage if you've seen previous movies with the same characters.
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I will also add the removal of power scaling. Avengers 1 did many things right, one of them was to have every single battle provide clear power hierarchy between the heroes. Avengers 2, as well.
Nowadays?
Capt. Marvel is never seen absorbing energy, she is at 100% all the time (another reason why she is anappealling).
Scarlet Witch, was always a mess in the comics, and is part of her character to have nebulous powers, but if yoy put her with Dr.Strange, then the plot is robbed of any sense of power scaling, hence tension. And the MCU always had a stakes issue.
Dr. Strange started ok for a magic user, but now he performs all kinds of weird stuff with no drawbacks, or recurrence. I would prefer him being weird and obscure in other heroe's movies, but at least give some set up for his tricks in his own movies. (What were those floating giant hands?)
Random multiverse bullshit, random heroes with random powers solving random plots. All with a heavy dose of the *MESSAGE*.
Don't forget the spectre of bREE. The core audience is convinced that Marvel is going full wokeshit, which they probably are. Which means it actually worse than nothing is being promised, it's actually them promising something the audience really does not want.
It's not even fatigue, it's bREE told the billion dollar audience that Marvel is now for women and minorities, the billion dollars was neither, so they dropped it. And of course they did, vidya companies, the entire country of Japan, youtube wankers with patreons, there will never ever be a shortage of people lined up for those incelbux. You tell em to leave because it's not for them, they do.
What the FRICK are you trying to say here? This is the most schizophrenic babel I've seen on this site quite a while
I'm saying, that in terms of what the billion dollar audience is expecting from marvel, it's a sexual harassment in the workplace video with a budget. We're all just bracing ourselves for the inevitable compulsory white man bad lecture, we know it's coming, and we don't want to get tricked into paying for it again.
Japan likes the MCU. Iron Man dvds sell well on amazon Japan
Ironman isn't even in the MCU anymore. Ironheart on the other hand will flop tremendously all around the world.
>really unfocused lately
its literally fast food cinema brought to you by disney. there was a few good marvel flicks back in the day, when real directors and what have you were involved. but this shit is live action tv-show tier bullshit. throw in the woke shit and you got a steaming hot pile of fast food veggie burgers.
Ilumination is fast food cinema and people love it, as they love fast food.
These movies are shit with sprinkles, people don't realize is shit till they bite it.
Or you're just a homosexual who doesn't like the genre and yet insists on being included for reasons that don't make sense.
What genre? shit movies?
Capeshit Dumbfrick.
Not that your answer is going to be in any way sensible, list your top three superhero movies.
Name one superhero movie you paid to see more than once.
What's that you can't? Well imagine my shock.
Why would I humor a humongous gay like you?
>Not a sensible answer
Because you're clearly quite stupid.
I'm not the one that likes capeshit.
No you're the one hanging around in threads about capeshit looking for attention from people you claim to despise.
I like how flustered you people get when someone doesn't like your shitty movies.
Funny I don't like anything about you at all. You come into my hobby to ruin it, and I have no shortage of people who do that.
But what annoys me is that you seem to think anyone is listening to you, that you're actually making some sort of case, when in fact we have been dealing with your ilk since the 80s.
Damn you really do care a lot.
tbf you're the one egging him on
It doesn't matter. He's been in every thread all day. He not actually trolling, he thinks what he's doing is contributing.
He can't be the same guy (I hope), there's probalbly dozens of dudes here that only seek to annoy.
At least he's not mass replying.
really gay post
My top 3 are Man of Steel, Infinity War and the Donner Superman movie.
>It’s less Marvel fatigue and more that the MCU just feels really unfocused lately.
biggest reddit cope i've ever seen
I work with a few people who watch every Marvel film and they have admitted to me that it's gone on too long.
There is no Avengers movie to tie all the characters together again.
The Avengers movies (and Cap 3) were used to help connect the movies and make it feel like a universe.
Now there are so many solo movies and shows of characters doing their own thing that it feels disconnected.
This is on point. As loose and sloppy as it was, as many unanswered(and frankly unconsidered) questions as the Infinity War arc had, people had the sense of a longer overarching story being told. That's absent now.
MCU peaked at Infinity War. Everything after was just downhill
Them doing the Multiverse and supposedly building up to Secret Wars when they're still introducing characters was such a huge frick up, how are people supposed to care about the regular universe and characters when you just introduced the idea that Tobey Maguire can come back, which means any old actor/character can also come back, people will just look forward to that, why would they give a shit about Shang Chi 2 or Ms Marvel?
And then Sony also wants to do their own multiverse bullshit, meaning that Spider-man will be in those movies too, it's all a fricking mess and people will just get sick of it
The first phases were pretty straight forward, you can tell how it all connects, now it's all over the place, they're at DC level of incompetence, seems like Feige just stopped giving a shit or wasn't that smart to begin with
It'll earn around the same as Ragnarok, perhaps less. I think people will find it underwhelming. A lot of people were mixed on Taika and feel the story ended with Endgame.
I'll be surprised if this makes $1bn.
It's not Marvel fatigue perse. It's woke fatigue I'd say. And in this case a bit of Taika's "humour" being too prevalent.
Everyone knows this Thor movie will mostly be about Jane and Valkyrie, their developing lesbian relationship, with constant cringy jokes. Doesn't sound like too good of a movie really.
>lesbian relationship
stop getting outrage by youtuber jane literally died in the movie because of cancer
Is this before or after she brings the rainbow?
At this point I question whether actual rainbows are just doing it for the likes on social media.
>she brings the rainbow?
are you talking about her power generating rainbow beam dont you moron realize not everthing rainbow is related to lgbthiv+ movement
>not everthing rainbow is related to lgbthiv+ movement
At this point that's kind of like saying not everything with a swastika on it is related to the third reich. I know it's true, but at the same time I see a swastika I jump to conclusions.
>Everyone knows this Thor movie will mostly be about Jane and Valkyrie, their developing lesbian relationship
The whole plot already leaked, there's nothing in there about Valkyrie being bi or lesbian or whatever. Apparently they sideline Valkyrie to make room for Jane. That's the thing about these queerbaiting MCU films, they can just give the barest hints of LGBT content and the fans will act like it's revelatory.
Source?
>Movie starts with Korg telling the story of Thor, which includes a workout montage, small comedic sex scene, fight scenes with the Guardians, and more.
>At the beginning of the film the Guardians are jokingly trying to get rid of Thor.
>Jane Foster has cancer, and Darcy Lewis is there in a small role. So is Erik Selvig, but he attends on a computer screen. They are trying to find a cure for her.
>She goes to New Asgard, and the hammer Mjölnir “senses” her and gives her Thors power. The power makes her cancer worse, but Jane knows she’s dying anyways.
>Gorr has a family that died, and blames the gods. His story is tied to a god named Eternity, which we are told looked incredibly comic accurate. Gorr finds a sword that can kill gods and give him extra powers, and starts to do so.
>Thor, Korg, Valkyrie, and Jane go to a god city, and see Zeus. Zeus is evil and tries to kill them. Thor injuries (but doesn’t kill) Zeus. At some point in this sequence, there’s a huge crowd of gods from around the universe, including a Kronan god (Korg's god), and most memorably a god with only a head and legs.
>Thor realizes that Jane has cancer, and wants her to stop, but Jane wants to help. This is a really emotional scene.
>The team then fights Gorr, and Jane sacrifices herself to stop Gorr. Somehow Gorr’s daughter comes back (a young actress), and Jane is dead.
>End of movie also included Korg having a kid with another Korg with a mustache. Korg is gay btw, since all Kroans are male (as depicted in the comics).
>First Post Credit Scene is the Hercules one. Zeus sends Hercules (presumably Goldstein) to kill Thor (who is with Gorr’s daughter now). Hercules is wearing basically nothing, and has only one line. This scene is setting up a sequel of some sort.
>Second scene is Heimdall in a white and gray robe welcoming Jane to Valhalla.
>Other things to note:
>Heimdall has a son with powers who summons Thor to Earth.
>There is a girl who fights monsters with a plushy rabbit.
>There’s another play sequence, like the one in Ragnarok. It involves Hela breaking Thor’s hammer.
>The Warriors 3 are referenced
>gay
Uh oh, this might be the second Disney movie to get banned in my country
They'll just have two versions of the movie, one where the CGI rock monster has a moustache and one where it doesn't.
how much Rocket in the movie
Uhhhhhh
What a shit plot. Also Zeus as a villain? Gorr seems shit enough already.
kek
This is even worse than I thought. I imagined the movie would be centered around Hershlag learning to be a superhero or around Thor coming to terms with him being the King of Asgard and to quit playing around with mortals. I was even ready for Hershlag, or someone else, to replace him permanently. But instead literally nothing happens. This movie is pointless, even Ragnarok had character development for Thor and changes to the overarching story. I don't think Gorr kills a single God based on the leaks.
Thor gets a kid sidekick at the end, that seems to be the only real development in the story. Weird that it's "Gorr's Daughter" though, like not even an Asgardian or someone with a Thor related theme.
So more female superheroes to piggyback off established heroes. Female Loki, female Hawkeye, female Hulk, female Thor, and now you have another new female character who will tag along with Thor.
No wonder this phase is bombing. Is there any new hero that's going to be able to carry the MCU?
>Is there any new hero that's going to be able to carry the MCU?
No. And worse they're trying to shift it all onto the shoulders of Pratt and Hemsworth. I like both of them, but they are not even close to up to that task. Benjamin Cumberdick has underperformed, Evans and RDJ are gone, bREE is obviously a non-starter, and they keep bringing in new WAPOC despite the fact that there are simply nowhere near enough handsome white chads for them to play off.
At this point their best option might be to just go straight to the Harem fantasy.
>Thor gets a kid sidekick at the end
No, just no. This shit never works.
>She goes to New Asgard, and the hammer Mjölnir “senses” her and gives her Thors power.
Why didn't it do that before? Does the hammer take pity on people now?
>Apparently they sideline Valkyrie to make room for Jane.
So Finn 2 electric boogaloo. Even though minorities are supposedly higher on the progressive stack, and they use the frick out of them to market their dreck, when the rubber meets the road its always a liberal white woman in the spotlight.
Same old song and, same old song and dannnccceeeee, my friend....
theres no such thing as comic book movie fatigue batman literally already get played by more than five actors and the newest movie still doing great people still gonna warch it
>the newest movie still doing great
that's a cope
Batman should've made a billion, it didn't
Doctor Strange 2 should've made a billion, it didn't
The Disney Plus shows should have viewership as big as Netflix's most popular shows, they don't
Nobody cared about Shang Chi or Eternals, which were new characters with movies
Only recent successful capeshit movie was Spider-man, the most popular superhero of all time, in a movie where Tobey Maguire comes back and they constantly reference the OG movies for more nostalgia points
Capeshit is dying, Marvel is dying, DC is already dead. It's over
The dead rattles my friend.
>but marvel fatigue is real.
It's not but it's not getting a new audience. They have millennials for life but the sheer length is becoming alienating
>marvel fatigue is real.
They will never ever ever stop making capeshit and the goys will never stop giving them money.
At least the poster is better than most marvel movies
Looks like some 80's heavy metal shit
>Disney chinkoid troony garbage
Not watching. I’ll stick to Triumph of the Will thanks.
They'll create some outrage that if you don't watch it you support cancer or some shit. Same shit they did with the lesbos in Lightyear.
Lightyear bombed my man. Thor 4 won't bomb, but it will perform around the same or less than Ragnarok.
Thor 4, Black Panther 2 and Guardians 3 are the only films they have less that have a chance at $1bn.
Ant-Man 3, The Marvels, Fantastic Four and Blade will all under perform or flop
I know it bombed but still some people went to see it out of guilt. It woud've bombed harder if they didn't pull the lesbo kiss fake outrage around.
Most of the publicity in social media about it is that if you didn't watch it you're nazi homophobe trump suppporter.
>It woud've bombed harder if they didn't pull the lesbo kiss fake outrage around.
I disagree. Everyone I talk to sees right through the outrage bait nowadays.
> look at my compilation of twitter screencaps
Twitter isn't real life, bro.
I remember back when Shang-Chi dropped even liberals that I spoke to on University campuses couldn't muster more enthusiasm than "I think it's great that there's an asian superhero now but I don't know if I'm going to bother seeing it"
>I disagree. Everyone I talk to sees right through the outrage bait nowadays.
Well someone saw it and it wasn't because it was an engaging movie.
>look at my compilation of twitter screencaps
I'm talking about various facebook groups ridiculing the outrage like if it was real. You gotta admit that social media has some influence in real life, frick twitter though I don't use that shit.
>Blade
Kek, on the bright side, Morbius memes are going to have new life breathed into them. You just know they aren't going to be able to resist a cameo.
Is Jon Boyega still Blade?
I find it fricking hilarious that every time Jared Leto touches a superhero property fans just absolutely shit all over him for it. I wonder if he's learned his lesson yet.
A man can dream
F
Nah Black Pander 2 is not going to do with, not with the Chad Dick Based Man recast.
>Oh yeah but what about Okoye and the smartmouth little sister
Nobody is paying for that. You might get a few fricking wanker who think they're buying an N-word pass, but if that makes $400mil I'll be gobsmacked.
Fantastic Four and Blade to have pre-existing fanbases, but that's actually a problem because they're going to have expectations and those expectations will not be met. Imagine trying to "update" Fantastic Four while still staying true to the source, it's not possible. It will be a shitstorm Normies won't want a part of, Comic Book Guy will boycott, anime will become mainstream, Marvel dies.
Black Panther 2 will do the same thing the first did, where black people are brought tickets by celebs and others out of guilt. I would not be surprised if the movie has a memorial scene for T'Challa and they propaganda him into another George Floyd for black people to flock around.
It won't do as well as the previous film, but it's the only MCU movie this year that has a chance at $1bn.
Fantastic Four has gotten repeatedly fricked up and now they do a fancast and kill off the character making him look like a moron in the process. If they cast anyone different it'll piss people off, if they deviate from the comics it'll piss people off and they likely want the Fantastic Four to be more diverse because you won't have an all white team. Jon Watts ditched the project understanding it was going to suck.
Blade is just going to be uninteresting, it's got an eternals character in it for some reason.
The day Black Panther was released was weird as frick. I saw Africans doing tribal dances and shit in theatres. The frick was that all about?
They do the same thing still today, except they call it break dancing and stealing
Mental illness, they actually believed Wakanda was a real place and had been so conned by consumerism that they believed a movie about Wakanda was going to somehow make them represented. At which point they started to ape out more, so they've been killed off in increasing amounts since.
>The frick was that all about?
Don't act like this is a black thing. Every big movie has people doing weird shit at the theatre. Tron 2 and Avatar had people in cosplay. Batman had a shooter and civilians were complaining that they can't now carry guns to the movies to save people in case it happens again.
>Black Panther 2 will do the same thing the first did, where black people are brought tickets by celebs and others out of guilt.
That doesn't work twice. Those people have bought their n-word pass, they don't need another one.
> if they deviate from the comics it'll piss people off
The trouble there is that the comics are rooted in the 1950s idea of the nuclear family, which just does not translate today. It just doesn't. You can't have Sue Storm as the dutiful wife playing the support role to Daddy Fantastic Reed Richards. Her critical job outside of combat is cooking while Reed does literally all of the important things and Johnny causes trouble. That's not just an archaic view of women, that's alien view of women to most millenials, never mind zoomers. Even in 2004 it was clearly a problem, but they erred on the side of conservatism and BARELY made it work.
The audience is going to be WAY more demanding this time after the tragedy that was Fan4stic. There is simply no way to please them. And you can find a few oldgays on Cinemaphile you'll all know they're all ready to blow when it's not up to their completely unreasonable expectations.
So plan B - Full woke. That convinces the whole audience their expectations were right and now everyone explodes.
Plan C - some compromise. Well now nobody is happy. Not only does Cinemaphile go ballistic but so does twitter.
It's a no win situation. It will not just fail as a movie, it will drag the whole MCU under with it.
are they calling it the best marvel movie yet?
who decided Natalie Hershlag had the charisma for a superhero perfomrnace?
>who decided Natalie Hershlag had the charisma for a superhero perfomrnace?
Kevin homosexual. In the comics, when Jane becomes "Thor" her body and voice completely change. They could have cast a stunt actress and kept the helmet on all the time, and then dub Hershlag's voice on top. Easy solution. But nah, homosexual decided to use CGI on her arms and call it a day.
I hope so. My coworkers are hardcore Marvel soys and even they’re pissed off at how shitty the marvel shows and how disappointing the new Dr. strange and eternals movies were
I think these movies are fine, for free, on my uncle's Disney+ account. Seriously, how will they square the streaming factor now that they move stuff their so fast? How can anything have legs anymore? Unless the movie is absolutely killer, people may just wait.
Nah, but I personally have no interest in it outside of Bateman in whiteface
>Filmed using "The Volume"
>Guns N Roses used for marketing
>LGBT still being used in marketing
*giggles*
I will always hate israelites BUT I'm still a non-homosexual male and I will say jacked Herslag is yummy.
>a non-homosexual male
I can't wait till they add that to the ever growing acronym.
Only extreme normals experience marvel fatigue jesus fricking christ
Maybe they'll release the Black Panther 2 trailer only in theaters to give it a boost. That movie is only 4 months away now and they won't even say who is playing Black Panther.
I suspect at this point they're intensely lobbying Biden to start a nuclear war with Putin for the lack of any better ideas.
>Black Panther 2 trailer only in theaters to give it a boost
I hope Mexican Sub-Mariner is in the trailer
I cannot get over how repulsive they made this character.
lol why does Namor have a bone through his nose?
Probably some PR shit that said that characters with septum percing are well received
It pains me to even look at this
Why God
Imagine what Doom is going to be like
They'll make him authentic eastern euro, he's got an adidas tracksuit instead of armor.
What do you think
>What do you think
I think DisneyMarvel is back on track
he cute
Maybe it makes me racist but I find this really vile how they turned a Norse mythological being, a valkyrie, black and then have her ride a pegasus of some sort.
This is Cinemaphile, no need to be so polite, if you don't like something piss and shit on it all you like.
>Always by Erasure plays
too much estrogen itt
nice wiener anon
Just a picture I found on Google of limp dick.
uh-huh sure thing buddy
Imagine how cool it must feel to be in the first page of google image results for "limp dick"
Did you really need to post a picture of a non-erect penis to illustrate your point further?
He's a gay, probably has a folder full of them.
Yes because it's Cinemaphile. I thought it's supposed to be ridiculous stupid shit so I post over the top stuff. This is why Cinemaphile is always going to be funner than Reddit that's full a bunch of homosexuals that only know how to complain.
>full a bunch of homosexuals that only know how to complain
Yeah Cinemaphile is totally different.
The gayest shit in an MCU movie to date is a character having gay moms, that's literally it. Some shit that might have been boundary pushing on a sitcom in the 90s.
Why is there still a review embargo on it
Yes
They're making fun of us, Thorchards.
They only thing that was consistent with these movies were the SFX, if they start cutting corners on that too ...
They did. It looks like Power Rangers shit.
You can tell just from the trailers that it is not good.
Pegasus are cool
*Pegasi
Thought technically Pegasus was the name of the winged horse, which is just a winged horse.
they are cooler than gaylord unicorns
bold words for a homie in impaling range
Homie, i can just fly away on my horsebird
Are you stupid? Everyone know unicorns shoot lasers from their horns.
I'll have you know that the mythical unicorn was actually based off the totally real Rhinoceros. Still think they're not cool?
nice furry fanart homo
ALWAYS I WANNA BE WITH YOU
It won’t flop. It is a Marvel movie.
No I'm sure it will open well. Strange how the embargo is still up though it's not like it's a big deal film where they're worried about spoilers
They're treating Jane having Cancer as a spoiler, for some reason. The social media embargo has lifted. Fanboys seemed to mostly like it, but the film critics who mentioned it were mostly negative. It'll be interesting to see how the reviews go with they drop on Tuesday.
They will say that if you don't watch it you're pro cancer or some wierd twist like that.
If anything it seems like woke people will turn on the film, Lady Thor dies and the supposedly bisexual character is sidelined and her sexuality never broached.
Doesn't she ascend at the end? She probably grabs the hammer in the post credits scene.
im so tired of tessa thompson, she cant act and shes ugly,
This narrative that Disney created that Ms Marvel, Obi wan Kenobi and other shows/films bombed because the audience hates minorities isn'tgoing to work forever
It's going to make less than Dr Strange 2.
In my canon the Dr still is bargaining with Dormamu.
"By then, Hemsworth and Waititi had discussed what they would want in a potential fourth Thor film,[30] and Hemsworth said a month later that he would consider returning if there was "another great script".
Why do actors/actresses say shit like this? We all know money is the determining factor
You know they can't say that, of course is money it is always money.
But they have to act like it is for "the love of the craft".
Hemsworth will play Thor for the rest of his life if he's smart. Nobody cares about these people unless they have a marvel logo attached. People thought RDJ was the biggest star in the world but Dolittle put a stop to that. Cruise really is the last movie star
What will they do when Chris starts getting old? Thor always looks young
If they can give Hershlag muscle arms they can deage Thor.
disney has been openly buying their own tickets since black panther
So why didn't they do that for Lightyear?
Movie will be shit but Bale will be the best thing in it
That's what I've heard.
What the frick is with all of this homosexual zoomer speech?
>Sigh.
>Country mile
>YMMV
>the pits
You can't even call these millennial phrases. This guy's a frickin boomer.
MCU fell off after IW. Endgame was utter garbage and any MCU movie after it was even worse
Black Panther was trash too but the sequel is going to make a ton of money since Chad died
True.
The good part of the Marvel staff cleverly warned us in Endgame.
Infinity War was classic MCU, Endgame was moron-tier MSheU tribute.
Can we ban baby's first text styles on posters? It always looks so shite and clashes with the poster. It's not typography when it's a basic ass font with a deviantart tier layer styles thrown on top.
The decline of capeshits.
I love to see it.
>and then dropping by like 60-65
that's a regular drop