If their other safety precautions were halfway adequate this would actually make sense. If I was at 400 atmospheres I'd want that hatch bolted shut too.
Paraphrasing from the Navy submariner video I saw earlier:
You need a way to quickly release the hatch from the inside in the event of a fire. NASA learned this the hard way, over the charred bodies of three astronauts.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Judging from track record if this thing had an explosive release it probably wouldn't even have made it into the water before killing everyone on board.
Apollo was a spaceship. I don't know how feasible that is for a deep sea vessel and whether it would help.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It wouldn't let them leave underwater, pressure keeps the thing shut
You absolutely need a way to open the capsule quickly, as anon said this design flaw was learned over the deaths of three astronauts.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Apollo capsules also tended to come up upside down and needed balloons to right themselves so opening the hatch wouldn't just drown everyone on board, I don't thing OceanGate would spring for that.
It wouldn't help much if they did; those things are made to be lifted up out of the water when not diving. Opening the hatch on the surface of the ocean would instantly sink it.
They didn't want them to get mugged by roaming packs of Orcas.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Orcas specifically attack luxury yachts and leave fishing vessels, small pleasure craft, ferries and military ships alone. >They fricking know how to differentiate and they are holding a massive grudge.
It's an unlicensed uncertified untested sub made from market parts with cost cutting as a key goal for profitability
The builder was a special combination of stupid, crazy, and greedy, and is now most likely dead at the bottom of the ocean
I find if strange the the dead man switch hasn't gone off yet.
The thing has a fail safe where if it's underwater for too long it will automatically drop weight to cause it to surface. This is more of a thing that happens if everyone passes out.
I'm guessing that means that it's trapped under something or they had a leak.
mechanical failure, stuck on something, exploded, or surfaced but lost at sea with no comms or ability to leave the pod
it's a tiny white tube in the middle of stormy ocean, even if it surfaced it'd be nearly impossible to find
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's an unlicensed uncertified untested sub made from market parts with cost cutting as a key goal for profitability >The builder was a special combination of stupid, crazy, and greedy, and is now most likely dead at the bottom of the ocean
a modern aesop
11 months ago
Anonymous
>is now most likely dead
One can hope, given the most likely alternative.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>tuck on something,
Under.
The legs are detachable so even if they somehow were stupid enough to get caught on something, they could just abandon them. That and the dead man switch makes me think something would have to be on top of them.
Surfaced and lost at sea is believable.
11 months ago
Anonymous
good, frick 'em, taste the goddamn consequence of ignoring OSHA and regulations to appease Mammon you dumb dead rich pricks
11 months ago
Anonymous
>muh mammon
Youre just as insane as the people who built and went on that sub, you know
11 months ago
Anonymous
it's not real you dingus it's an allegory for rampant capitalism and world-destroying greed, and in this same breath I say burn down the churches because they all serve Mammon too
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay fair enough, its just theres so many schizos on here i dont know sometimes
11 months ago
Anonymous
I could literally believe in mammon and I wouldn't be as bonkers as the people that took an ebay gaming controller and a hot water tank and tried to visit the Titanic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
tl;dr a bunch of rich people (something like $200k a seat) wanted to go see the Titanic but no proper company would take them thanks to it being horrifically dangerous and basically pointless so this "totally legit" submersible company that definitely properly tested all their gear in the bahamas offered the ride.
Jesus.
On the one hand, no love lost for billionaires. On the other hand, this seemed like some random guy (and his kid) along with some other dude just going for the ride. Perhaps the one bright side is that the CEO went down, and so this stupidity isn't likely to be repeated.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>hired young out of college grads and women because 50 year old white dudes who were CAREER SUBMARINERS weren't "cool enough".
I'm glad this Woke fricker is dead. Hire based on MERITS. ffs, now this dumb frick and four others are dead. Great job, butthole.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There's no way anybody with merit would want to work for this fricker.
11 months ago
Anonymous
how long is it going to be before something like this happens in outer space?
>consult withered old professional >s/he nags you with boring advice like 'paint it orange so you don't asphxiate in the bottom of the ocean' >hire loose youths instead
11 months ago
Anonymous
>how long is it going to be before something like this happens in outer space?
Oh shit, like Big Hero 6...
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can hire one or two bawds, fine, but most of the team has to be, you know, professional, competent and willing to learn. If you do not hire the people needed to make the thing you want, the thing you want will turn out to be trash and I'd rather be nagged with boring advice if it kept us alive than crushed to death while deep sea exploring.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Orange is so ugly though. Let's paint it sea blue.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well, it's been painted red for sure.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>how long is it going to be before something like this happens in outer space?
Literally the only reason it hasn't happened already is because nobody has actually tried to get a person into outer space (commercially). Technically it has happened once, "Mad Mike" Hughes, but that was more an idiot who couldn't get into space and just strapped enough rockets to his ass to get killed instead.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I thought people have done low orbit flights, I read about William Shatner going up in one.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Those flights have still been within the Earth's atmosphere and not actually reached "space," though their PR campaigns fluff up the headlines.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>how long is it going to be before something like this happens in outer space? >hands you a Wii U pad to control the ship >have fun
I'd like to think space nerds would have more sense than to fall for something like that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>how long is it going to be before something like this happens in outer space?
All the time. Apollo 13 had a breach that cost them a good deal of their oxygen. The ISS has suffered several small leaks. Once it suffered a major coolant leak that could have totaled an entire module. They fixed the leak but an astronauts suit was covered in frozen coolant and he couldn't go back inside without contaminating the atmosphere. The poor guy had to wait outside until the problem was solved. They've had suit leaks and the damn Souyez seem to leak all the time.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He wasn't woke, that's just his bullshit excuse
He hired young idiots because they cost less and don't talk back with things like "this is a deathtrap"
11 months ago
Anonymous
He certainly had a Woke mindset by saying "50 year old white guys don't inspire."
I mean, I guess to some extent that's true, but he hired no experts to at least help train the young engineers. It's this mindset that is leading to a competency crisis.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're not getting it.
What he said is bullshit. He doesn't believe it. He's only saying it because it's a somewhat-believable alternate justification.
The reason he hired fresh college grads was to cut corners and keep pay low. It's the same reason every company does it. "Diversity" is a scapegoat.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well, this excuse, even if it isn't necessarily "woke" is making things, bit by bit, fall apart. They tried to sell on what was in vogue and now their CEO four others are dead.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He certainly had a Woke mindset by saying "50 year old white guys don't inspire."
I mean, I guess to some extent that's true, but he hired no experts to at least help train the young engineers. It's this mindset that is leading to a competency crisis.
Put it another way, say you're the butthole in question.
You want to keep payroll low and cut corners on your commercial submarine
Navy submariners and engineers cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, can see the clear flaws in your design, and aren't willing to budge on safety. Kids fresh out of college cost five figures and are either too ignorant or too eager to push back against your demands.
Now it's months later and you're being interviewed. The guy asks you why you didn't hire the people you obviously should have hired. What do you tell him to escape scrutiny?
The answer is you tell him a bunch of buzzwords about diversity and inspiration
Well, this excuse, even if it isn't necessarily "woke" is making things, bit by bit, fall apart. They tried to sell on what was in vogue and now their CEO four others are dead.
You're not wrong, but it's important to know that the underlying flaw is relentless cost-cutting not the existence of minorities
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, he suffered from trying to make money from billionaire rubes and wanted to do it quickly and cut safety measures and fired a safety supervisor for not following through with his brand of hubris.
This Stockton guy was the exact type of ghoul who would have been hired to work on the Titanic before it's voyage.
It's both.
Cost-cutting and taking advantage of ignorant brown individuals who were fetishized by the media for decades. Don't tell me his excuses didn't involve the existence of minorities when it clearly did, otherwise it wouldn't have been his go to excuse. The guy used Woke as a tool to make money and died like an idiot and I hope every other rich butthole that does that, meets the same fate.
I'm not blaming brown people, so don't make it about race, or women or w/e. It's about this mind virus ideology of Wokeness and the people using it as some smokescreen.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>who is to blame for these dumb billionaires dying because they are dumb >it is the poor minorities fault
yeah sure ok
11 months ago
Anonymous
The internet has warped his fragile little mind, not everyone was ready for it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's the people pushing this Woke shit and the dipshit billionaires who are at fault. The brown people are a symptom. Don't be a disingenuous butthole with a guilt fetish, please.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's the people pushing this Woke shit
Man, I wish I could help you, you are a lost soul.
Going through life as a weirdo hating on different weirdos is no way to live.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Hey man, it was his excuse, not mine. I didn't kill myself and four others on some shitty sub.
11 months ago
Anonymous
People need to realize that everyone in America is a fricking Weirdo, even your Mitt Romneys, and that's the point of America; you are free to be weird here without being oppressed.
That's the whole promise of the founding documents. Believe in God, or don't. Or some other God. Or just be a strange motherfricker.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Let's hire on merits first, how about that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
People generally get hired on Nepotism or willingness to work cheap.
SHOULD he have hired experienced people of the finest caliber? Of course. But 1. they are expensive and 2. they might not be willing to pilot the Scooty-Poof Sr. "our death-bringer" to the bottom of the sea.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Literally arguing against "Hiring on Merit".
Christ, you people should've went down with that sub too.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm telling you WHY people get hired in the real world, not why they SHOULD be hired.
You end up with a bunch of guys on the cheap managed by someone's idiot nephew.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Hiring someone because they're someone's moronic nephew isn't hiring on merit. You know. Experience, skill, youthfulness, etc. This sub was fricked at the start because of a full team of "the cool kids" when at least some of the crew should've been submarine engineers who could've trained them at the very least.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This sub was fricked at the start because of a full team of "the cool kids"
Because the cool kids are stupid, will do it on the cheap for "the adventure" and le ebin selfies, and have no sense of self-preservation.
11 months ago
Anonymous
yeah I'm sure making a conscious decision not to hire qualified people because they're white men didn't have anything to do with it
11 months ago
Anonymous
stop taking things at face value you moron >what the CEO says >"WE HATE OLD EXPERIENCED WHITE MEN" >what the CEO means >"old experienced white men know their worth and refuse our shit pay so we're hiring the bottom of the barrel"
11 months ago
Anonymous
The issue is using what he was doing - using "wokeness" as a smokescreen to cover up capitalistic excess - to claim that actual good-faith attempts to fight inequality and injustice are bad.
The actual content and quality of whatever ideology you're referring to with "woke" is irrelevant to his use
11 months ago
Anonymous
It was done in "Good Faith" by some, sure, but look at the result. I wish it was just some billionaire doing cost-cutting, then people like him wouldn't have a Woke smokescreen to cover their asses.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It was done in "Good Faith" by some, sure, but look at the result.
What result? This wasn't the result of good faith efforts of any kind.
Wishing that people would stop trying to fight inequality because some rich c**t used it as a smokescreen is pretty blatantly immoral
11 months ago
Anonymous
But inequality was won in the 60s. There's no fight for it today, it's just some divisive, white man hating bullshit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Martin Luther King Jr. and the hippy/women shit didn't exist.
And you're laughing at me. lol.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>But inequality was won in the 60s.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What rights were gays, women and "minorities" missing before in 2010? Can you please enlighten me?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're right, white men are openly discriminated against via affirmative action. In fact it's legally required for some organizations to discriminate against them. Anti-White racism is almost ubiquitous in today's culture.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, soon we will all live in a horrible dystopia where White control will fall below 91%.
I shiver to think about it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You could just, you know, move to Africa.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm whiter than you are, I'd stick out badly.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you need to be openly racist and discriminate against White people in order for that to happen then maybe it's not a preferable outcome.
Shit like the OP topic is what happens when you refuse to hire qualified people because you're afraid of "White control".
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not professionally qualified to treat your mental illness, I'll just have to leave it at that.
The insanely rich have always done stupid, inadvisable things.
The insanely rich have always done their best to frick the little guys, and blame it on some cardboard cut-out "other" for you to bark at.
Same old same old game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, think about how it looks to be the man arguing extensively with, your own words, an insane man idk how you can defend a Black person talking about not hiring an entire group of people, seems kinda racist
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Anon, think about how it looks to be the man arguing extensively with, your own words, an insane man
I mean that IS the Cinemaphile experience.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Posting le funny chocolate factory man meme.
Boomer Fed-posters need to retire already, you suck at your jobs.
11 months ago
Anonymous
We're blaming both the rich guy and the moronic "little guys" who push bullshit that isn't a problem anymore.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You lack the experience and empathy to ascertain anyone else's problems from your basement.
Black guy has his house estimated for resale, gets a far lower quote than when his white pal speaks to real estate agents. Racism isn't all dogs and firehoses.
11 months ago
Anonymous
We already know you hate white people and have a fetish for black people, we get it.
The inequality you speak of is several decades out of date.
11 months ago
Anonymous
i'd love to hear some testimony from one of those college kids, you just know it's got to have been a shithole place to work
tl;dr a bunch of rich people (something like $200k a seat) wanted to go see the Titanic but no proper company would take them thanks to it being horrifically dangerous and basically pointless so this "totally legit" submersible company that definitely properly tested all their gear in the bahamas offered the ride.
Being lost at sea sounds terrible, but being lost at sea in an underwater coffin sounds like special kind of hell. That's like two or three different fears in one.
There are five people in the craft. As of Tuesday morning,four of them had been identified: Hamish Harding, a British businessman and explorer; the British-Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his son, Suleman; and Paul-Henri Nargeolet, a French maritime expert who has been on over 35 dives to the Titanic wreck site.
>the only reason a NAZI would be mocking a rich man is if he's a israelite
Yeah, because when I listen to Mike Enoch I hear about how GREAT Jeff Bezos is.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of thing happens every week and the only reason this one is a global news story is because it finally happened to someone "important".
At a certain point, when you're that fricking rich you lose part of something in your brain that deals with risk assessment. You have enough money for most things to not be an issue and you get wienery. Same shit happened here. Hell, the sub failed when that CBS reporter was there a few meters down and when they did go down(Reporter now on the mothership, not in sub) they couldn't find the Titanic and lost communication with the sub for hours too.
That CEO of OceanGate was a snake oil salesman and rich people are stupid and want to do something many people say they have never done. Everest is now a crowded tourist trap, space is commercially avaliable for tourism and so, the sea is the last "big adventure".
Why frick did a billionaire choose to go down in a baked bean can piloted by an N64 controller?
This tour had made dives previously. It's just this one where shit went wrong.
Being rich doesn't equate to being smart or having the engineering sense to realize a sub with rubber hoses sticking out of it with no tether isn't the best way to do undersea tours. Just like how investing in bored apes on the internet doesn't equate to good financial sense.
>This tour had made dives previously. It's just this one where shit went wrong.
Anon, it went wrong here too, when a global media conglomerate's pet reporter went along for the ride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkytJa0ghc
I legit hope that they do make it out alive, or at the very least had a quick death, because everything about this sounds rickety as frick. No tethers, no way to be pulled up if shit goes bad, self made sub with a Logitech controller controlled by Bluetooth.
Like, this thing had a propensity for failure and I wonder if metal/carbon fiber fatigue played a part in its failure. And it went out during a storm too apparently.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Apparently it was only rated for a dive of roughly half the necessary depth so they basically started taking a "Depth rating? LOL, who need a depth rating?" position. Notably the time they lost contact would be roughly around the time they would have reached that depth.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's not especially notable since it's dived to the Titanic before. The depth for which it's rated is not the depth at which it will instantly fail.
11 months ago
Anonymous
most current news appears to be no sign of the sub, ~38 hours of air left if it's intact
the Navy is deploying sonar and scrambling ships with deep sea rescue capabilities to the area
the sub may be stuck on the actual titanic wreckage itself
Also apparently the company that made the sub discussed but ultimately dismissed giving the craft an emergency transponder - for about 5 hours on a previous mission the sub had no idea where it was and neither did the ship steering it (it's controlled from the "mothership")
This just sounds like a bunch of rich buttholes wanted to flout basic safety regulations and now they're paying for it
Read here, this CEO didn't give a damn about regulations and safety, they wanted to cut corners and this whole endeavor is the result of that.
It's been demonstrated reliably in studies that extremely affluent people experience a kind of mental delusion where they believe so heavily in their own hype they start thinking they can >roll higher than statistically possible on a set of dice roles >had a measurable impact on random chance >contributed more than other people during equally shared tasks >are actually poor
And so on and so on. Having a lot of money beyond a certain point causes Mental illness, the human brain can't cope with it.
yeah and that's why they're so successful
Law of Attraction is real. It's been scientifically proven that large amounts of directed attention can have a small but measurable effect on random number generators.
I legit hope that they do make it out alive, or at the very least had a quick death, because everything about this sounds rickety as frick. No tethers, no way to be pulled up if shit goes bad, self made sub with a Logitech controller controlled by Bluetooth.
They will probably never find them. The bottom of the ocean is more difficult to explore than the moon. Look into the massive sea floor search they did for the Malaysia airlines flight and how extensive and record breaking it was and they still found nothing. People who say “ow they still have 2 days of oxygen left” are delusional. They would be lucky to find it in 2 months let alone save them.
they do that because they are cheap and easy to implement. The controller is likely to not be the problem there, since it has a computer and likely a classic keyboard control back up.
I'm not saying the controller is the fatal flaw here but it reflects a certain fly by night attitude to this whole operation. Like to the point
Making it wireless seems like a bad idea for this use case, but people have been using game controllers for serious applications for a while now. Using xbox controllers for military drones has been a thing for over a decade now.
makes, they may use cheap bluetooth to fly military drones but the pilot (and paying passengers) typically aren't on board...
More than that they had a emergency ballast system to raise the craft even if all power is lost.
I'm not saying the controller is the fatal flaw here but it reflects a certain fly by night attitude to this whole operation. Like to the point [...] makes, they may use cheap bluetooth to fly military drones but the pilot (and paying passengers) typically aren't on board...
Tell that to the US Navy
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/navy-xbox-controllers-attack-submarines/
The irony in this statement is the claim MS makes quality products that never frick up. I suppose the USS Connecticut had a collision due to stick drift. How embarrassing.
There's a stark difference between "We're redesigning control systems to better reflect current operators" vs "We wanna cut corners as much as possible so we're just using whatever's cheapest".
Stop trying to bring Tony Stark into this snerk snerk Want to know the big problem? Not the game controller, hell no, it's the fact that deep sea submersibles to that extend have metal bodies with smaller windows. This tried to have large windows, with metal frames, but with a carbon fiber body in between them. By comparison Alvin has a titanium body and also could emergency perform hull separation.
>crop the controller, reverse search the image >one of the first results is this
Mystery solved, they probably died because of a driver error. Many such cases, sad!
Making it wireless seems like a bad idea for this use case, but people have been using game controllers for serious applications for a while now. Using xbox controllers for military drones has been a thing for over a decade now.
I'll be honest with you, I'm not going on a submersible like the one here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkytJa0ghc
I legit hope that they do make it out alive, or at the very least had a quick death, because everything about this sounds rickety as frick. No tethers, no way to be pulled up if shit goes bad, self made sub with a Logitech controller controlled by Bluetooth.
, seems like this was made for pure tourism and listening to the interview, it's just not safe or remotely reliable. Its apparently the only 5 person sub of its kind and there's probably a reason for that. Like yeah, the military uses game controllers on drones, but you don't have five people riding them and a drone itself costs around 32 million dollars a piece, so its not some cheapo bullshit hanging on by a thread.
>See a bunch of references to OceanGate >Think it's just another use of that old cliche >It's actually the company's name
When I seen the name pop up I though it was a joke too, not an actual name for the company either.
>expedition got scrubbed during the time of this filming due to malfunctioning sub >then when they finally went on the dive in full, got lost >OceanGate ceo makes fun of Titanic
This just sounded fricking cursed from the start, holy shit.
Surfacing isn't out of the question. It's a white sub in literal thousands of miles of ocean with no surface navigation. It would be next to impossible to find even if it did return to the surface.
It's a remote possibility that they've surfaced but if that happened they'd almost certainly have been found via radio signals by now.
IIRC the sub is built to surface if literally anything goes wrong, so chances are whatever happened was a catastrophic failure. It may be on the ocean floor.
>The sub is completely controled by a computer >There is no mention of any redundancy measures >There is no manual controls of any variety
JFC, has this guy ever actually dealt with the real world before doing this!?
I thought the Dril tweet was just a random joke. I did not believe there was actually cruise trips to the wreckage of the Titanic and people are about to die.
Visibility underwater is next to impossible, in a lot of places you won't be able to see more than a foot in front of you. Add onto that drifting caused by currents, molecular interactions, malfunctioning thrusters...
and then the fact to get to the titanic wreck you have a column of water 2.4 miles tall to traverse, so anything you send down there has 2.4 miles' worth of water to resist crushing it.
The sub isn't tethered to a mother ship, it went down there free style and something went wrong. The place they're at is huge and the ocean is a vast wasteland that fricks with sound and you can't see shit after a few hundred meters. And the submarine itself is tiny. Literally a needle in a haystack, in the middle of the ocean. They could be at the wreckage or be miles off somewhere else.
On top of the dodgy aspects of the sub itself (among other things, the ballast system is apparently just a bunch of metal pipes on a shelf outside of the sub; the people inside just move around enough to make them slide off), from what I understand, they started the descent when there were stormy conditions on the surface. So if it reached the surface after losing communications, it may have been pushed well away from its last known position.
On top of everything else, there's no way to open the hatch from inside; it's bolted shut from outside. So even if it's on the surface, there's no way for them to get out without a rescue ship cutting them out.
Also they painted it white. Since it's so small, that makes it close to invisible from a distance in anything other perfectly calm seas.
The sub is also completely dependent on texts from the mothership for steering as well; because of this, a previous dive attempt saw the Titan get lost for eight hours.
On top of the dodgy aspects of the sub itself (among other things, the ballast system is apparently just a bunch of metal pipes on a shelf outside of the sub; the people inside just move around enough to make them slide off), from what I understand, they started the descent when there were stormy conditions on the surface. So if it reached the surface after losing communications, it may have been pushed well away from its last known position.
On top of everything else, there's no way to open the hatch from inside; it's bolted shut from outside. So even if it's on the surface, there's no way for them to get out without a rescue ship cutting them out.
I'm pretty ignorant so this might be a dumb thing to ask, but why couldn't they just send a robit down and haul it to the surface
AND it legits has no emergency beacon. No GPs, no transponder, no NOTHING. There is nothing there they could have used to signal to anyone!
Oh, and it was all controlled with an Xbox controller. I shit you not.
I want to feel bad about these people dying but everything I read about this godawful mess of an expedition just makes me think they deserved it for being so goddamn inept.
>there's no way to open the hatch from inside; it's bolted shut from outside
This reminds me of one time when my dad and I went to visit some rich old fart client of his that had built a house all by himself in the middle of nowhere on the side of a mountain. The "room" he had prepared for us to stay the night was an old frigorific chamber remade into a two-person bunk bed.
The guy told us to close the door so that insects and the cold couldn't get inside, since the door was so hermetic and heavy it'd keep the heat in. But after examining the thing by myself, I told my dad in secret there was no way in hell I'd sleep there with the door closed, because the chamber was an old model never made with the idea of someone repurposing it into a guest room (who would fricking guess) and it could only be opened from the outside; essentially, if we closed it and our 80-something host just happened to die in his sleep, we would have starved to death in complete darkness. So that night we slept with the thing slightly opened, using one of my shoes to prevent the combination of the door's weight and the ground's inclination to naturally close it by themselves.
Bottomline is, never get inside something that can only be opened from the outside. People might call you paranoid, but you will still be alive.
this reminds me of that one guy on reddit who built his own 'party bunker', and the entire comments section was full of people telling him he was definitely going to die down there.
>this reminds me of that one guy on reddit who built his own 'party bunker', and the entire comments section was full of people telling him he was definitely going to die down there.
very annoyingly /r/DIY has gone private possibly indefinitely because of API changes. i'm not sure what the current reddit backup thing is.
11 months ago
Anonymous
This place is flooded with refugees anon. We're the backup.
11 months ago
Anonymous
i feel for this amount of money you could get one of those immersive moving rooms that makes you feel like you're in a submarine and hook it to a deep sea robot.
here or tumblr yeah.
i hope all those stupid ass old reddit posts aren't gone forever, day by day the internet gets smaller
11 months ago
Anonymous
Do you know how many trips on the Finding Nemo ride you can get for $250,000?
>they only found it on accident when looking for another ship
No, they were specifically looking for Titanic. But finding it was difficult since the currents had moved it away from the spot where it was expected to be, it was so deep down that it was hard to get there, and the visibility was shit.
Still, you're right in that the ocean is huge and the sub is small. Unless the sub managed to reach the Titanic and got stuck on it, it'll be difficult to find it.
>another use of that old cliche
What cliche? I can't find out anymore because any way I search for "OceanGate" now brings up nothing but the stupid fricking submarine.
He means the 'Gate' part of >WaterGate >GamerGate >ComicsGate >etc. etc. every time a media outrage springs up
But this time that's just the name of the company.
once again, abysmal output by stone. everybody is getting out every joke possible about this story and he can't even come up with something good for this one.
You can bet 100% that his fans have called other things “Satanic” for less.
Profiting and mocking people’s deaths? That’s A-Ok when [Approved Person] does it.
[...]
Never thought he'd sink this low.
He's a lost cause.
>you can bet >it is written >i saw it in a dream
>meanwhile >Pfft that evil chud died from Covid? He deserved it. fricking mask-dodging dumbass hope he died in pain >X times a thousand for the last four years
That’s A-Ok when [Unapproved Person] dies.
Nah cringe is trying to ride the CURRENT THING hype by literally making an empty gesture and having your face in the shot as to make it about you too. Then go back to playing cups. Those gays don't give a shit about anything and deserve the inconvenience for pretending otherwise.
Technically political comics are comics but it seems to be frowned upon to make thread about current politics.
Old school political comic threads are ok though it seems.
>This sub has no way of navigating itself underwater. It relies on messages from the mothership instructing it where to go. It uses Elon Musk's Starlink, a global satellite internet service, to communicate with its mothership because it is so far out to sea.
...they're dead.
Imagine how moronic you would need to be to think that bouncing a signal from a boat to a satellite and then down thousands of feet of water would be in any way safe. Just use a fricking radio, holy shit.
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AND it legits has no emergency beacon. No GPs, no transponder, no NOTHING. There is nothing there they could have used to signal to anyone!
Oh, and it was all controlled with an Xbox controller. I shit you not.
>seriously, radio, have you guys heard of it? >You know, the thing invented by the actual Tesla, not the grifter living off his name.
Radio waves can't penetrate more than about a hundred feet of water. You need a VLF or an ELF transmitter to communicate at submarine operational depth -that maxes out at about 1.2 to 1.3 miles down. The Titanic rests at about 2.4 miles down.
It's why all those little robots and shit James Cameron sends down there are connected to the support boat via cable.
Oh, and while I'm thinking of it, VLF and ELF transmitters are fricking massive. They need to be in a shore facility or mounted on big fricking naval vessel.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4934316/
tl;dr radio wouldn't do shit to save them because signals underwater have awful transmission qualities/rate
if they had a lifeline connected to a boat like seems to imply then they could easily communicate that way but either the wire snapped or there's not wire at all, which seems to be what most places are implying
>tl;dr radio wouldn't do shit to save them because signals underwater have awful transmission qualities/rate
It could've helped in the scenario where they manage to deploy their ballast and surface.
As designed even if they manage to do an emergency surface their hatch is bolted shut from the outside, and with no transponder to lead a rescue crew to them, they'd still suffocate.
>it clearly hasn't surfaced yet
It's not clear though, it's small enough and the color isn't striking at all, it could be on the surface just a few miles away and it'd be very hard to find.
It would be really depressing. Imagine it had surfaced, they still can't get out of the submarine because it's sealed, they might suffocate to death on the fricking surface.
Because they've apparently said it automatically surfaces if something goes wrong and that would be the only reason anyone would be ok not having any kind of manual controls - that 1% uncertainty is from knowing that this thing was totally unclassed and unregulated and some rich people are just that crazy to think they know what's ok not to put in a sub (like a GPS beacon...)
That it (probably) hasn't resurfaced likely means it either got stuck on something, lost power, or imploded. I don't know if anyone has gotten all the way down to the Titanic wreck and its surroundings on the floor to sea if the sub is there yet, but to me that sounds like a very shitty best case scenario.
The articles so far mention the mother ship being able to text message the sub, so I imagine they could text back if they had power which would help narrow down the search - which is anything but narrow
It worked for the Soviet Submarine Force (kursk not withstanding). Just a lot of automation since you are dealing with mostly inexperienced two year conscripts.
I find if strange the the dead man switch hasn't gone off yet.
The thing has a fail safe where if it's underwater for too long it will automatically drop weight to cause it to surface. This is more of a thing that happens if everyone passes out.
I'm guessing that means that it's trapped under something or they had a leak.
Probably the most likely thing after implosion at this point. The decision to paint it white instead of dayglo orange or some other color not found in nature is one of the dumbest things in a huge list of stupid ideas.
Then what do you think happened that made them cut comms an hour in, and no explosion sound detected? They hadn't reached the titanic yet, so debris entanglement seems unlikely
The legs are detachable so even if they somehow were stupid enough to get caught on something, they could just abandon them. That and the dead man switch makes me think something would have to be on top of them.
Surfaced and lost at sea is believable.
Can't call off the mission once comms are gone, and they fully expected to lose comms at the point they did, which is why they didn't report them missing for 12 hours
If they got stuck in the wreck of the Titanic there's no chance of escape, especially given the whole "96 hours of life support for 5" claim is totally untested and unverified.
Being bolted in with no way to ventilate the chamber may kill them even if they are surfaced
>If they got stuck in the wreck
Were they actually going INSIDE the ship? I was under the impression that they were just observing the outside.
Frick, if part of the plan was to enter the ship they are as good as dead. Case solved.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I really have no idea what the itinerary of the trip is, I couldn't say if it's reasonable to think they might have gotten into a position where going straight up wouldn't lead to surfacing
11 months ago
Anonymous
There's not enough room to go inside the ship with a submarine. Even small remotely-controlled robots are challenging to get in there.
But if the sub did reach the ship, there is a possibility that they went too close and accidentally hit the wreck. Perhaps some structure collapsed on top of the sub, and either broke something important or physically got it stuck. There have been previous incidents where the wreck got damaged by submarines.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So not only did they potentially kill five people they also desecrated what is essentially a grave site.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I think you get a pass on desecrating a grave by dying on it
11 months ago
Anonymous
So should we etch five more names into the titanic memorials?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Desecrate? This was desired by the wreck. The Titantic is still hungry. It MUST be fed eventually, and they were the lucky winners. The ship will be sated... for now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Perhaps, if they reached it. I think it's entirely possible that some kind of a malfunction occurred before they ever got to their destination. Like when the Challenger disaster happened because of the O-ring seal failure. Tiny design flaws can cause catastrophic consequences. And it sounds like there were a lot of design flaws in that submarine.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I doubt they ever did. They apparently lost contact less than 2 hours into the fricking expedition and even then nobody could find where it magically disappeared to.
did they even make it to the titanic, i thought that thing was really hard to find
11 months ago
Anonymous
We don't know, they didn't expect to have communications.
At some point after reaching the hour forty mark something happened, we don't know what. The ship didn't even realize anything was wrong until 12 hours later when it failed to reestablish contact
Yeah this and the comic where he copied the thousands of people making the “brown kids think DBZ is relatable” joke
Lowest effort possible and his simps still act like he’s a genius
Imagine them all crammed in there right now in pitch black cold and darkness slowly starving to death. And these billionaires thought their money could make them immortal. Guess not lol.
they were probably compressed into a flesh ball that also turned them inside out, like if you made a meatball then dropped it on the floor. that's probably what they look like now if they did die 🙁
>Due to the worst winter in Newfoundland in 40 years, this mission is likely to be the first and only manned mission to the Titanic in 2023. A weather window has just opened up and we are going to attempt a dive tomorrow. We started steaming from St. Johns, Newfoundland, Canada yesterday and are planning to start dive operations around 4am tomorrow morning. Until then we have a lot of preparations and briefings to do," he wrote.
They literally went out in the Atlantic Ocean during, and I quote; "the worst winter in Newfoundland in 40 years". And they just went in the ocean anyways?
I have a strong feeling that the billionaire explorer Harding guy absolutely pushed for Oceangate to go ahead with the dive and if they didn't do it, they'd not only be out of one million dollars but made sure to tell them they'd let the rest of his billionaire adventure clubs know just how roughshod this whole operation was from the start.
This just feels like rushed deadlines and a lost million dollars/even more lost revenue made z bunch of people do a really dumb thing like launch a subpar submersible in storm ridden Atlantic waters.
>They literally went out in the Atlantic Ocean during, and I quote; "the worst winter in Newfoundland in 40 years".
the real tragedy is Gordon Lightfoot died a month beforehand
The main problem is they were in a sub rated for 20MPA and at 4km down is 40MPA. This is ignoring the whole zero redundancy off the shelf consumer grade electronics they used to control the sub. It was probably the cheapest possible sub someone with little experience in the field can build but easily the most dangerous.
They didn't even do a test dive to make sure the thing actually worked. Or ask anyone with experience in building subs to see if their plan was sane.
Now I want to know how they became billionaires in the first place.
>how did they become a billionaire when they're so dumb!?
What if I told you monetary success, especially to that degree, has absolutely nothing to do with merit.
most current news appears to be no sign of the sub, ~38 hours of air left if it's intact
the Navy is deploying sonar and scrambling ships with deep sea rescue capabilities to the area
the sub may be stuck on the actual titanic wreckage itself
Also apparently the company that made the sub discussed but ultimately dismissed giving the craft an emergency transponder - for about 5 hours on a previous mission the sub had no idea where it was and neither did the ship steering it (it's controlled from the "mothership")
This just sounds like a bunch of rich buttholes wanted to flout basic safety regulations and now they're paying for it
>The Titanic's maiden voyage was so important with so much money riding on it that there were dozens of conspiracies to sink it all operating independently of each other at the same time
John Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim, and Isidor Strauss were all on board the ship and were three of the wealthiest men on the planet at the time and according to the conspiracy were all opposed to the creation of the federal reserve.
JP Morgan, who was pro-creation of the Federal Reserve, had a suite booked but chose last minute to go on the voyage.
So the conspiracy is that JP Morgan and his fellow pro-federal reservists sabotaged the Titanic to get rid of three of the most powerful men who would oppose the Federal Reserve. I think in some iteration there were some Rothschilds that bailed on going last minute as well. Within a year of the sinking the Federal Reserve Act was passed.
Looking into it, some websites say none of the three ever actually commented publicly on the concept of the Federal Reserve, so who know what their opinion actually was. Some people say it's "funny" these three rich men couldn't buy their way onto a lifeboat, but all eye witness accounts of them in the final hours indicate they spent their time helping others into boats and dying as gentlemen. Remarkable people.
The confusing part is why they think the supposed conspirators elaborately refitted the Titanic to look like the Olympic and vice versa down to the part numbers on the interior fittings, rather than just... sinking the Titanic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh that's a separate conspiracy. I just learned about the Olympic one in this thread. In the Federal Reserve conspiracy it was always just the Titanic.
But the Olympic one seems even dumber, like you can't just disguise a ship that big launching from dry dock, it's pretty well documented.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There actually WERE some refits to both ships prior to Titanic's Voyage. I think because Olympic had some technical difficulties that the captain of the Titanic wanted to avoid. Been years since I saw that documentary so don't quote me.
I can go on an airplane no problem, but I would absolutely refuse to participate in any sort of deep sea diving expedition. The more I read about this, the more and more horrifying it sounds.
This project is notable for the lack of safety measures other deep sea diving expedition generally utilize.
But, same.
>ballast is a bunch of sewer pipes crammed into a detachable assembly >zero GPS >zero manual control except a hydraulic lever to release the ballast assembly >painted white which makes it effectively invisible even if it surfaced
If anything at all goes wrong, even a momentary power loss causing the sub to drift with the current and get lost, everyone on board is probably dying a horrifying death
Honestly the most merciful way this could have happened is implosion
The prospects of slowly suffocating at the bottom of the ocean or starving sealed in a tube floating in the middle of the ocean are both nightmarish
I don't feel bad for him at all. If I were him and had gotten anywhere near that sub and seen that they were missing X, Y, and/or Z, I would have immediately fricked off. But he let himself get sealed into a death can anyway. It sucks, but he dug his own watery grave.
Exact details on the capabilities of the sub seem sparse, from what I can tell they had the ability to receive texts from a mother ship so I assume they could send them as well
But they specifically did not put a GPS beacon on the ship, and without power or a connection to starlink the only "controls" in the sub itself is a lever to release the ballast.
Supposedly they lost contact at about an hour and thirty minutes, which I think would be a good ways before reaching the wreck. So they're probably either imploded or lost at sea in a tiny white tube they can't escape or message from
We know it can text back to the mother ship because a previous run saw the submersible get lost for eight hours.
They never lost contact with it, mind you, the sub just kept going in circles because they didn't have any idea where they were.
The mothership's responses were apparently to keep trying to figure out where they were, offering unhelpful directions, and cut off any wifi so reporters on board couldn't tweet about it.
We know it can text back to the mother ship because a previous run saw the submersible get lost for eight hours.
They never lost contact with it, mind you, the sub just kept going in circles because they didn't have any idea where they were.
The mothership's responses were apparently to keep trying to figure out where they were, offering unhelpful directions, and cut off any wifi so reporters on board couldn't tweet about it.
After watching an ex-navy guy go over all the available material they apparently had text communications but fully expected to lose them when they did due to depth, which is why they reported the sub missing 12 hours after embarking instead of a few hours after losing comms. They expected to reestablish as it came back up.
Whether it's missing at sea or stuck on the wreckage of the titanic or imploded, the result is the same. Those people stand no chance because the twat of a CEO was able to sell commercial tickets for his unclassed untested deathtrap of a sub. Apparently even the whole "96 hours of air" thing is also completely untested and unproven, and given the utter incompetence of other aspects of the design (no way to vent the sub? bolted in? what if there's a fricking fire?) it's possible that that number is complete bullshit.
Before a previous design proved unable to withstand the trip, they were planning to sell the trips for $100K each. So it's more than doubled so there's certainly corner cutting being down to try and drag it into profitability.
We don't know what happened. And unless the sub is found, we might never find out.
The optimistic best-case scenario is that communications are the only part that failed, and the sub's navigation still works fine. In that case, the sub should've surfaced by now. If so, it might've drifted far away from where it was last seen. Since the sub can only be opened from the outside, it must be found before the air inside it runs out.
That's the scenario people are hoping for. Other options are that there might've been a failure in the ballast system, or some unknown problem could've caused a leak or an implosion, or something else unforeseen might've occurred. If the sub is currently at the bottom of the sea, saving the crew from such a vast depth is basically impossible. Plus there's a possibility that some malfunction already killed them, and that's the whole reason why the sub stopped communicating with the surface.
It's also painted white so it's basically fricking invisible.
Honestly, I felt bad when I first heard what happened, but everytime I read more info about what happened, I lose more and more sympathy for anyone who was fricking moronic enough to climb into that thing.
1. Turn Cellphone Back on
2. Go to /misc/
3. Set up a He Shall Not Divide Us Flag in the Sub
4. Post image of it to /misc/
Either I live when /misc/ comes to steal the flag, or I die and /misc/ takes the L.
>Okay Anon, you’re on that sub.
Step 1. Leave the sub immediately before departure. I've got better shit to do than see a shipwreck with my time and money.
seeing as how it's controlled with a goddamn gamepad I don't think there was any thought going into any of this besides "OH MAN I CAN FLEECE PEOPLE" *dies one of the most horrific possible deaths*
ironically, the gamepad is the one part that isn't completely moronic. Video game controllers are used in a lot more military hardware than you'd expect.
I’ve been asking myself this the whole time. Do they have cameras hooked up to the screens? Also, I’m assuming (if they aren’t a meatball / pancake) they have no light on board even if they can use that window.
You want the truth? No, they didn't deserve to die, but nobody is going to mourn people like this dying in this way. They died in terror and agony and nobody is really going to care after a few days.
News media are already spinning it a certain way. Nobody with half a brain cell is going to give a shit when it's inevitably revealed that they did become a plate of Ikea meatballs, it will just be another tragedy people gawk at on their phones for a couple seconds and then move on
The CEO of the company who made the sub, has publicly said that he thinks safety standards are for cucks, and silenced a whistleblower? Yes.
The other people, probably not.
>Did they deserve to die?
What a stupid question. They built the most obvious deathtrap there is, voluntarily went inside it, and died.
Regardless of any form of moral desert, it's simply how things work. You cannot fault anyone but themselves for the outcome.
>That guy was experienced too. Experienced people always end up killing themselves
Both are fantastically dangerous, and you just roll the dice once too often.
OH.
ANOTHER 'SUBTLE' BAIT THREAD, ALBERT.
TO THINK THAT IN A WORLD SUCH AS THIS, WITH SUCH CREATIVE TALENT...
HUMANS HAVE MANAGED TO INVENT BOREDOM.
AND A WAY TO MAKE OTHERS BORED.
ME, FOR INSTANCE.
RIGHT NOW.
SHOULD I ENJOY HUMAN SUFFERING?
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GIVES ME MORE WORK TO DO?
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'VE DIED YET BECAUSE OF QUANTUM?
I THINK NOT.
THE FISH!
GUYS THE FISHERARINOS!
SUS! MOGUS! HE DID IT GUYS! HOLY SHIT
HE MADE THE FISH AMOGUS IN THIS PICTURE! I AM PISSING MYSELF WITH LAUGHTER! HOLY FRICK! I HAVENT BEEN THIS HAPPY SINCE MY BROTHER OFFED HIMSELF CAUSE HE COULDNT GET A LOONA PLUSHY EARLY!
ARE YOU SEEING THE FISH? FRICKING AMOGUS!
GUYS DO YOU SEE? DO YOU SEE IT? THE FISH IS AMOGUS MEME! HAHAHAHAHAHA THIS GUY KNOWS HOW TO WRITE HIS COMICS BETTER THAN THAT FRICKING troony BEAR IN A HAT! HOLY SHIT WHERE IS THIS GUYS PATREON? I WANNA SEE HIS UNCENSORED STUFF! GOD MY PANTS ARE RUINED!
FISHMOGUS! GENIUS!
Hopefully they got crushed in seconds, if now they are wobbling back and fort in the dark dept of the oceans covered in piss and probably asphyxiating.
Fun fact about subs, the first submarine was used by the Confederate army and only had a successful mission before being lost, it killed 26 people, 21 of which where confederates as it sank 3 times before they could iron out the kinks killing everyone inside each time including its creator.
On the bright side it managed to sink a ship before sinking again for good.
>Employ raised concerns about the dubious safety of the vessel, and got fired >sub could go to a depth of 3,000 meters - titanic is @ 3,800 >CEO - who was on board - said the standard regulatory process is 'anathema to innovation' >submersible was controlled by a logitech controller w/ 3d printed joysticks >Oceangate's physical location has been shuttered - all signage removed, and windows papered up
this entire thing is a fricking shitshow jfc
https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-titanic-sub-passenger-massive-waiver-listed-death-3-times-on-page >As a desperate search continues for the submersible that went missing Sunday night during a trip to the Titanic wreck, one former passenger of OceanGates’ Titan revealed details of his trip, including the repeated death warnings. Mike Reiss, showrunner for The Simpsons, said he signed “a long, long waiver that mentions death three times on page one” before his expedition last year. “Death is always lurking, it’s always in the back of your mind,” he told the New York Post. Reiss claimed he received little to no training prior to the voyage, and described the deep-sea vessel as the size of a minivan with its seats removed. After hitting the ocean floor, the sub sailed around “powered by engines that look like desktop fans” and helmed by a video-game controller, Reiss said. “We spent about 90 minutes just hunting around,” he said. “It’s just so dark down there.” When they finally found the Titanic, the divers only had 20 minutes to look through a porthole the size of a washing machine door. Reiss said he paid more than $100,000 for the experience.
The Simpsons showrunner could have been in this mess.
I feel sorry for that 19 year old dying with his dad, but everyone else here were supposed to be adults who should have been smarter than the dumbass CEO who hated safety. Like, they've probably worked with different agencies with stricter and stringent rules and regulations, this wasn't their first rodeo. They should have looked at this, and at what Stockton said about safety and realized they were dealing with an idiot who didn't know what he was doing. That British guy and the French guy were old pros at this type of adventure.
No, he suffered from trying to make money from billionaire rubes and wanted to do it quickly and cut safety measures and fired a safety supervisor for not following through with his brand of hubris.
This Stockton guy was the exact type of ghoul who would have been hired to work on the Titanic before it's voyage.
What's bad is they just had that project completed that has the most detailed scans of the ship so you can "tour" it in better detail virtually now. People want to 'be there' but the ocean at that depth isn't just a high pressure nightmare it's dark as sin, and you aren't going to get much out of it beyond, I guess, bragging rights. Humans tend to be stupid, putting value on certain things for being ancient and not realizing every fricking thing on this planet, every rock, every mineral, even life itself is build on the same matter recycled since the creation of this fricking dustball.
Super rich people want bragging rights and "unique" experiences. It's why so many of the fricks die climbing Everest, a feat that is entirely pointless.
I'm convinced rich people do crazy shit like this so they have something to brag about to other rich people. >Oh, you went sky diving last week, well I went to fricking space.
I can't wait until they start packing themselves into spaceships to Mars, only to vanish halfway there because of frickwits like this.
Didn't you hear, anon? The US already has an underground base on Mars complete alien representatives present. The former head of the Israeli space agency said so. Trump was going to tell us but the Galactic Federation grabbed him by the throat and told him to back the frick off.
I said it earlier in the thread, Everest is a tourist trap anyone can go to, space is already a commercial destination and the ocean is still a vastly unexplored region on earth. Especially the deep ocean.
I'm convinced rich people do crazy shit like this so they have something to brag about to other rich people. >Oh, you went sky diving last week, well I went to fricking space.
jesus christ how horrifying i feel a little bad for laughing at this now
From what I understand:
Pressure underwater increases by 1 atmosphere every 10 meters
A PSI of 135 (what they used in mythbusters here) is about 9.2 atmospheres so about 82 meters down (8.2 from depth, 1 from the actual atmosphere above water)
The titan was likely at around 3k meters down when it lost contact. If it did rupture at or below 3k meters we're talking about at least 4,430 PSI. Nearly 33 times the force.
Honestly with how quickly carbon fiber shatters and how much pressure is exerted at those depths I wouldn't be surprised if a catastrophic failure would result in the implosion becoming an ionized fireball
>looking out the window >seeing figures in periphery
lol
it's a metal tube the size of an SUV with no seats and the only window is a tiny porthole in front of the toilet
>looking out the window >seeing figures in periphery
lol
it's a metal tube the size of an SUV with no seats and the only window is a tiny porthole in front of the toilet
yeah if the navy guy's video is to be believed there's no indication the life support was tested for more than 1 person for 10 hours, 5 people for 96 hours is probably complete horseshit.
If you're talking about Sub Brief he basically shows why this guy didn't hire experts. Because he goes through and says "Were are the gas monitoring systems? Where's the life support? How will you deal with Carbon Monoxide?" An expert would take one look at this guy's plans and tell him he's going to kill the crew eventually. And that's *very* inconvenient, because it means that whatever waiver you have them sign, the families of the victims can argue you were grossly negligent.
Personally I hope the pressure hull collapsed. Because getting pulverized in a fraction of a second is a much better way to go than some of the alternatives.
there is a resson we have explored more of space than we have the oceans, it hates us down there with a ferocity the Void can't match, and it has every right to do so
Was this the maiden voyage of the thing or had they actually made it down to the Titanic before on the same little tube? I've read a few articles and it sounds like the damn thing shouldn't have survived even a test run.
And we're in autosage. Congratulations anon for having the thread go full distance without exploding, like most of these do! Unfortunately we can't say the same for the sub.
I mean it's a stonetoss thread, it was inevitable OP would come back and ruin a good sub convo
What? This is civil and directly related to the subject matter.
>how would you feel if you became a billionaire?
I'd probably donate the majority of it and spend the rest on a business to keep me set for life. I wouldn't come up with some sort of moronation like "let's make my own spaceship out of duct tape and see if it can fly me to the moon" just because I have too much money.
lol I'm not a moronic fricking billionaire with God delusions, thus I *wouldn't be doing something as worthless as trying to hump the Titatic inside of a tiny sea-dildo*
MORE DEAD BILLIONAIRES, I NEED THEM ALL DYING IN THE DUMBEST FRICKING WAYS POSSIBLE, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Do you think people were sitting around making jokes back in 1912 or is it just the internet that makes it so you're unable to die without civilization as a whole coming together to roast the shit out of you
The Titanic was a passenger vessel with a bunch of impoverished people trying to get to where they needed to go. I'd equate this more to John Kennedy's plane crash or Paul Walker driving his Porsche 93 in a 45.
Do you think people were sitting around making jokes back in 1912 or is it just the internet that makes it so you're unable to die without civilization as a whole coming together to roast the shit out of you
The answer is yes. People definitely made jokes about every disaster.
Also I don't know that a really good point of comparison for this exists.
This is such a special combination of absolute and unchecked negligence, extremely experimental design, and commercial marketing (three of the five on board are paying customers, coughing up 250 grand a piece).
Probably jokes as well, they were just watercooler ones or private ones with family, and so they didn't spread. It was likely taboo to joke about it publicly (likely still is) but people can always make crass humor. You can just do so anonymously now over the internet.
Could be worse.
Pretty fast death also hello fellow workplace accident connoisseur
Nobody knows for sure what happened on the Scorpion
>X-files theme plays
That's not worse at all wtf.
Most people don't get to die in less than a second.
You would prefer to suffocate slowly?
The fish on the left.
Where's the far right political message, Tosser?
What is this referencing?
A tiny tube piloted by a Logitech controller that calls itself a submarine has been lost at sea for about it a day. It's very likely everyone is dead
>the submarine was called Titan
it's that name cursed?
Shouldve called it tighten
Already trademarked.
Delta p is knocking at the door
if you've seen the movie you'd know they're actually in Atlantis
awaitng for footage of the rapping sharks
Don't forget it was full of rich people.
I'm nautically challenge, can they not just swim up?
That's a good way to get cramps.
when you go that far underwater, the pressure is so great it's like having a billion pianos piled on your head. also you'd drown
The bends, anon
Can you swim 12,500 feet while holding your breath? Can you all do this while not getting crushed by 5,5000 pounds per square inch?
I want to steal what you said now because Im imagining a sick horror movie
The crazy thing is, even if they surfaced somewhere, the sub is bolted shut from the outside.
If their other safety precautions were halfway adequate this would actually make sense. If I was at 400 atmospheres I'd want that hatch bolted shut too.
Paraphrasing from the Navy submariner video I saw earlier:
You need a way to quickly release the hatch from the inside in the event of a fire. NASA learned this the hard way, over the charred bodies of three astronauts.
Judging from track record if this thing had an explosive release it probably wouldn't even have made it into the water before killing everyone on board.
I'm pretty sure that's standard on deep sea vehicles. It's so low in the water that opening a hatch on the surface would just flood the boat anyway.
you think people would learn not to bolt something from the outside and no way to open it from the inside like the Apollo 1 fire
Apollo was a spaceship. I don't know how feasible that is for a deep sea vessel and whether it would help.
It wouldn't let them leave underwater, pressure keeps the thing shut
You absolutely need a way to open the capsule quickly, as anon said this design flaw was learned over the deaths of three astronauts.
Apollo capsules also tended to come up upside down and needed balloons to right themselves so opening the hatch wouldn't just drown everyone on board, I don't thing OceanGate would spring for that.
It wouldn't help much if they did; those things are made to be lifted up out of the water when not diving. Opening the hatch on the surface of the ocean would instantly sink it.
Even setting aside the pressure issues, they can't leave the submersible. It's bolted shut from the outside and can't be opened from inside.
I'm sorry did the builder of the Titan play Iron Lung and unironically think it was a good idea?
They didn't want them to get mugged by roaming packs of Orcas.
>Orcas specifically attack luxury yachts and leave fishing vessels, small pleasure craft, ferries and military ships alone.
>They fricking know how to differentiate and they are holding a massive grudge.
It's an unlicensed uncertified untested sub made from market parts with cost cutting as a key goal for profitability
The builder was a special combination of stupid, crazy, and greedy, and is now most likely dead at the bottom of the ocean
mechanical failure, stuck on something, exploded, or surfaced but lost at sea with no comms or ability to leave the pod
it's a tiny white tube in the middle of stormy ocean, even if it surfaced it'd be nearly impossible to find
>It's an unlicensed uncertified untested sub made from market parts with cost cutting as a key goal for profitability
>The builder was a special combination of stupid, crazy, and greedy, and is now most likely dead at the bottom of the ocean
a modern aesop
>is now most likely dead
One can hope, given the most likely alternative.
>tuck on something,
Under.
The legs are detachable so even if they somehow were stupid enough to get caught on something, they could just abandon them. That and the dead man switch makes me think something would have to be on top of them.
Surfaced and lost at sea is believable.
good, frick 'em, taste the goddamn consequence of ignoring OSHA and regulations to appease Mammon you dumb dead rich pricks
>muh mammon
Youre just as insane as the people who built and went on that sub, you know
it's not real you dingus it's an allegory for rampant capitalism and world-destroying greed, and in this same breath I say burn down the churches because they all serve Mammon too
Okay fair enough, its just theres so many schizos on here i dont know sometimes
I could literally believe in mammon and I wouldn't be as bonkers as the people that took an ebay gaming controller and a hot water tank and tried to visit the Titanic.
Jesus.
On the one hand, no love lost for billionaires. On the other hand, this seemed like some random guy (and his kid) along with some other dude just going for the ride. Perhaps the one bright side is that the CEO went down, and so this stupidity isn't likely to be repeated.
>hired young out of college grads and women because 50 year old white dudes who were CAREER SUBMARINERS weren't "cool enough".
I'm glad this Woke fricker is dead. Hire based on MERITS. ffs, now this dumb frick and four others are dead. Great job, butthole.
There's no way anybody with merit would want to work for this fricker.
how long is it going to be before something like this happens in outer space?
>consult withered old professional
>s/he nags you with boring advice like 'paint it orange so you don't asphxiate in the bottom of the ocean'
>hire loose youths instead
>how long is it going to be before something like this happens in outer space?
Oh shit, like Big Hero 6...
You can hire one or two bawds, fine, but most of the team has to be, you know, professional, competent and willing to learn. If you do not hire the people needed to make the thing you want, the thing you want will turn out to be trash and I'd rather be nagged with boring advice if it kept us alive than crushed to death while deep sea exploring.
Orange is so ugly though. Let's paint it sea blue.
Well, it's been painted red for sure.
>how long is it going to be before something like this happens in outer space?
Literally the only reason it hasn't happened already is because nobody has actually tried to get a person into outer space (commercially). Technically it has happened once, "Mad Mike" Hughes, but that was more an idiot who couldn't get into space and just strapped enough rockets to his ass to get killed instead.
I thought people have done low orbit flights, I read about William Shatner going up in one.
Those flights have still been within the Earth's atmosphere and not actually reached "space," though their PR campaigns fluff up the headlines.
>how long is it going to be before something like this happens in outer space?
>hands you a Wii U pad to control the ship
>have fun
I'd like to think space nerds would have more sense than to fall for something like that.
>how long is it going to be before something like this happens in outer space?
All the time. Apollo 13 had a breach that cost them a good deal of their oxygen. The ISS has suffered several small leaks. Once it suffered a major coolant leak that could have totaled an entire module. They fixed the leak but an astronauts suit was covered in frozen coolant and he couldn't go back inside without contaminating the atmosphere. The poor guy had to wait outside until the problem was solved. They've had suit leaks and the damn Souyez seem to leak all the time.
He wasn't woke, that's just his bullshit excuse
He hired young idiots because they cost less and don't talk back with things like "this is a deathtrap"
He certainly had a Woke mindset by saying "50 year old white guys don't inspire."
I mean, I guess to some extent that's true, but he hired no experts to at least help train the young engineers. It's this mindset that is leading to a competency crisis.
You're not getting it.
What he said is bullshit. He doesn't believe it. He's only saying it because it's a somewhat-believable alternate justification.
The reason he hired fresh college grads was to cut corners and keep pay low. It's the same reason every company does it. "Diversity" is a scapegoat.
Well, this excuse, even if it isn't necessarily "woke" is making things, bit by bit, fall apart. They tried to sell on what was in vogue and now their CEO four others are dead.
Put it another way, say you're the butthole in question.
You want to keep payroll low and cut corners on your commercial submarine
Navy submariners and engineers cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, can see the clear flaws in your design, and aren't willing to budge on safety. Kids fresh out of college cost five figures and are either too ignorant or too eager to push back against your demands.
Now it's months later and you're being interviewed. The guy asks you why you didn't hire the people you obviously should have hired. What do you tell him to escape scrutiny?
The answer is you tell him a bunch of buzzwords about diversity and inspiration
You're not wrong, but it's important to know that the underlying flaw is relentless cost-cutting not the existence of minorities
It's both.
Cost-cutting and taking advantage of ignorant brown individuals who were fetishized by the media for decades. Don't tell me his excuses didn't involve the existence of minorities when it clearly did, otherwise it wouldn't have been his go to excuse. The guy used Woke as a tool to make money and died like an idiot and I hope every other rich butthole that does that, meets the same fate.
I'm not blaming brown people, so don't make it about race, or women or w/e. It's about this mind virus ideology of Wokeness and the people using it as some smokescreen.
>who is to blame for these dumb billionaires dying because they are dumb
>it is the poor minorities fault
yeah sure ok
The internet has warped his fragile little mind, not everyone was ready for it.
It's the people pushing this Woke shit and the dipshit billionaires who are at fault. The brown people are a symptom. Don't be a disingenuous butthole with a guilt fetish, please.
>It's the people pushing this Woke shit
Man, I wish I could help you, you are a lost soul.
Going through life as a weirdo hating on different weirdos is no way to live.
Hey man, it was his excuse, not mine. I didn't kill myself and four others on some shitty sub.
People need to realize that everyone in America is a fricking Weirdo, even your Mitt Romneys, and that's the point of America; you are free to be weird here without being oppressed.
That's the whole promise of the founding documents. Believe in God, or don't. Or some other God. Or just be a strange motherfricker.
Let's hire on merits first, how about that?
People generally get hired on Nepotism or willingness to work cheap.
SHOULD he have hired experienced people of the finest caliber? Of course. But 1. they are expensive and 2. they might not be willing to pilot the Scooty-Poof Sr. "our death-bringer" to the bottom of the sea.
>Literally arguing against "Hiring on Merit".
Christ, you people should've went down with that sub too.
I'm telling you WHY people get hired in the real world, not why they SHOULD be hired.
You end up with a bunch of guys on the cheap managed by someone's idiot nephew.
Hiring someone because they're someone's moronic nephew isn't hiring on merit. You know. Experience, skill, youthfulness, etc. This sub was fricked at the start because of a full team of "the cool kids" when at least some of the crew should've been submarine engineers who could've trained them at the very least.
>This sub was fricked at the start because of a full team of "the cool kids"
Because the cool kids are stupid, will do it on the cheap for "the adventure" and le ebin selfies, and have no sense of self-preservation.
yeah I'm sure making a conscious decision not to hire qualified people because they're white men didn't have anything to do with it
stop taking things at face value you moron
>what the CEO says
>"WE HATE OLD EXPERIENCED WHITE MEN"
>what the CEO means
>"old experienced white men know their worth and refuse our shit pay so we're hiring the bottom of the barrel"
The issue is using what he was doing - using "wokeness" as a smokescreen to cover up capitalistic excess - to claim that actual good-faith attempts to fight inequality and injustice are bad.
The actual content and quality of whatever ideology you're referring to with "woke" is irrelevant to his use
It was done in "Good Faith" by some, sure, but look at the result. I wish it was just some billionaire doing cost-cutting, then people like him wouldn't have a Woke smokescreen to cover their asses.
>It was done in "Good Faith" by some, sure, but look at the result.
What result? This wasn't the result of good faith efforts of any kind.
Wishing that people would stop trying to fight inequality because some rich c**t used it as a smokescreen is pretty blatantly immoral
But inequality was won in the 60s. There's no fight for it today, it's just some divisive, white man hating bullshit.
>Martin Luther King Jr. and the hippy/women shit didn't exist.
And you're laughing at me. lol.
>But inequality was won in the 60s.
What rights were gays, women and "minorities" missing before in 2010? Can you please enlighten me?
You're right, white men are openly discriminated against via affirmative action. In fact it's legally required for some organizations to discriminate against them. Anti-White racism is almost ubiquitous in today's culture.
Yes, soon we will all live in a horrible dystopia where White control will fall below 91%.
I shiver to think about it.
You could just, you know, move to Africa.
I'm whiter than you are, I'd stick out badly.
If you need to be openly racist and discriminate against White people in order for that to happen then maybe it's not a preferable outcome.
Shit like the OP topic is what happens when you refuse to hire qualified people because you're afraid of "White control".
I'm not professionally qualified to treat your mental illness, I'll just have to leave it at that.
The insanely rich have always done stupid, inadvisable things.
The insanely rich have always done their best to frick the little guys, and blame it on some cardboard cut-out "other" for you to bark at.
Same old same old game.
Anon, think about how it looks to be the man arguing extensively with, your own words, an insane man
idk how you can defend a Black person talking about not hiring an entire group of people, seems kinda racist
>Anon, think about how it looks to be the man arguing extensively with, your own words, an insane man
I mean that IS the Cinemaphile experience.
>Posting le funny chocolate factory man meme.
Boomer Fed-posters need to retire already, you suck at your jobs.
We're blaming both the rich guy and the moronic "little guys" who push bullshit that isn't a problem anymore.
You lack the experience and empathy to ascertain anyone else's problems from your basement.
Black guy has his house estimated for resale, gets a far lower quote than when his white pal speaks to real estate agents. Racism isn't all dogs and firehoses.
We already know you hate white people and have a fetish for black people, we get it.
The inequality you speak of is several decades out of date.
i'd love to hear some testimony from one of those college kids, you just know it's got to have been a shithole place to work
That's funny, I just finished reading Ghost from the Grand Banks recently.
What the frick kind of deathtrap is this?
tl;dr a bunch of rich people (something like $200k a seat) wanted to go see the Titanic but no proper company would take them thanks to it being horrifically dangerous and basically pointless so this "totally legit" submersible company that definitely properly tested all their gear in the bahamas offered the ride.
current thing
A sub exploring the titanic went missing, and everyone is probably dead.
It's funny because they died a horrible death.
Being lost at sea sounds terrible, but being lost at sea in an underwater coffin sounds like special kind of hell. That's like two or three different fears in one.
There is a little irony in the fact that the designer was openly contemptuous of safety regulations in order to build a tourist sub on the cheap.
To explore the Titanic.
Its ironic, a shame they didn't understand irony or they wouldn't have done it in the first place.
You think that's funny? at least they managed to kill 5 enemies, google steam submarines those things killed more British sailors that the enemy subs.
The sub didn't even make it down to the titanic before it imploded.
>stone"bootlicker"toss making fun of dead millionaires
I won't even look for it, let me guess, their family name was something like "Silverstein."
>insulting our greatest ally, steintoss
hello mahomet
Billionaire named Hamish Harding who looks British as frick. Try again schizo.
>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/missing-submarine-titanic-search.html
There are five people in the craft. As of Tuesday morning,four of them had been identified: Hamish Harding, a British businessman and explorer; the British-Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his son, Suleman; and Paul-Henri Nargeolet, a French maritime expert who has been on over 35 dives to the Titanic wreck site.
>who has been on over 35 dives to the Titanic wreck site.
Damn, that's some bad luck. Or good luck I guess, depending on how you look at it.
Big wreck, small sub, terrible visibility.
tbh I kinda feel bad for the kid. P sure he'd have turned up a c**t, but still a shame.
>the only reason a NAZI would be mocking a rich man is if he's a israelite
Yeah, because when I listen to Mike Enoch I hear about how GREAT Jeff Bezos is.
>Stonetoss is the bootlicker, but not me!
How will anon ever recover?
>this is the challenger disaster for zoomers
even their tragedies are shit
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of thing happens every week and the only reason this one is a global news story is because it finally happened to someone "important".
Subs don't go missing daily moron. It's a tourist vessel not Red October.
Context?
Billionaire went into the water to gawk at a tragedy, became one himself.
Nicely put, anon.
Why frick did a billionaire choose to go down in a baked bean can piloted by an N64 controller?
Humanity
At a certain point, when you're that fricking rich you lose part of something in your brain that deals with risk assessment. You have enough money for most things to not be an issue and you get wienery. Same shit happened here. Hell, the sub failed when that CBS reporter was there a few meters down and when they did go down(Reporter now on the mothership, not in sub) they couldn't find the Titanic and lost communication with the sub for hours too.
That CEO of OceanGate was a snake oil salesman and rich people are stupid and want to do something many people say they have never done. Everest is now a crowded tourist trap, space is commercially avaliable for tourism and so, the sea is the last "big adventure".
This tour had made dives previously. It's just this one where shit went wrong.
Being rich doesn't equate to being smart or having the engineering sense to realize a sub with rubber hoses sticking out of it with no tether isn't the best way to do undersea tours. Just like how investing in bored apes on the internet doesn't equate to good financial sense.
>It's just this one where shit went wrong.
Anon...
>This tour had made dives previously. It's just this one where shit went wrong.
Anon, it went wrong here too, when a global media conglomerate's pet reporter went along for the ride.
Like, this thing had a propensity for failure and I wonder if metal/carbon fiber fatigue played a part in its failure. And it went out during a storm too apparently.
Apparently it was only rated for a dive of roughly half the necessary depth so they basically started taking a "Depth rating? LOL, who need a depth rating?" position. Notably the time they lost contact would be roughly around the time they would have reached that depth.
That's not especially notable since it's dived to the Titanic before. The depth for which it's rated is not the depth at which it will instantly fail.
Read here, this CEO didn't give a damn about regulations and safety, they wanted to cut corners and this whole endeavor is the result of that.
>That CEO of OceanGate was a snake oil salesman
Isn't he on board himself?
It's been demonstrated reliably in studies that extremely affluent people experience a kind of mental delusion where they believe so heavily in their own hype they start thinking they can
>roll higher than statistically possible on a set of dice roles
>had a measurable impact on random chance
>contributed more than other people during equally shared tasks
>are actually poor
And so on and so on. Having a lot of money beyond a certain point causes Mental illness, the human brain can't cope with it.
literally everyone thinks they are middle class, no matter if they are dirt poor or they own a chalet
yeah and that's why they're so successful
Law of Attraction is real. It's been scientifically proven that large amounts of directed attention can have a small but measurable effect on random number generators.
moron
>a baked bean can piloted by an N64 controller
Anon, it's more complex than that. It's a PS3 controller.
I legit hope that they do make it out alive, or at the very least had a quick death, because everything about this sounds rickety as frick. No tethers, no way to be pulled up if shit goes bad, self made sub with a Logitech controller controlled by Bluetooth.
>I legit hope that they do make it out alive
see
they're 100% dead and if they aren't dead yet then they'll be dead by the time the sub gets dredged up
They will probably never find them. The bottom of the ocean is more difficult to explore than the moon. Look into the massive sea floor search they did for the Malaysia airlines flight and how extensive and record breaking it was and they still found nothing. People who say “ow they still have 2 days of oxygen left” are delusional. They would be lucky to find it in 2 months let alone save them.
>logitech controller controlled by Bluetooth
I didn't believe you and I looked it up. Oh my god what is wrong with these people.
they do that because they are cheap and easy to implement. The controller is likely to not be the problem there, since it has a computer and likely a classic keyboard control back up.
I'm not saying the controller is the fatal flaw here but it reflects a certain fly by night attitude to this whole operation. Like to the point
makes, they may use cheap bluetooth to fly military drones but the pilot (and paying passengers) typically aren't on board...
More than that they had a emergency ballast system to raise the craft even if all power is lost.
Tell that to the US Navy
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/navy-xbox-controllers-attack-submarines/
>Tell that to the US Navy
The point is that the Navy is smart enough to use something first-party, not a frickin' Mad Catz!
The irony in this statement is the claim MS makes quality products that never frick up. I suppose the USS Connecticut had a collision due to stick drift. How embarrassing.
Aren't they only used to control the periscopes and are plugged in, not using Bluetooth?
Yep. Yadda yadda easy to replace and intuitive for users.
There's a stark difference between "We're redesigning control systems to better reflect current operators" vs "We wanna cut corners as much as possible so we're just using whatever's cheapest".
Stop trying to bring Tony Stark into this snerk snerk Want to know the big problem? Not the game controller, hell no, it's the fact that deep sea submersibles to that extend have metal bodies with smaller windows. This tried to have large windows, with metal frames, but with a carbon fiber body in between them. By comparison Alvin has a titanium body and also could emergency perform hull separation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSV_Alvin
problem is they never played games and don't know how to use wasd
>crop the controller, reverse search the image
>one of the first results is this
Mystery solved, they probably died because of a driver error. Many such cases, sad!
Making it wireless seems like a bad idea for this use case, but people have been using game controllers for serious applications for a while now. Using xbox controllers for military drones has been a thing for over a decade now.
I'll be honest with you, I'm not going on a submersible like the one here
, seems like this was made for pure tourism and listening to the interview, it's just not safe or remotely reliable. Its apparently the only 5 person sub of its kind and there's probably a reason for that. Like yeah, the military uses game controllers on drones, but you don't have five people riding them and a drone itself costs around 32 million dollars a piece, so its not some cheapo bullshit hanging on by a thread.
When I seen the name pop up I though it was a joke too, not an actual name for the company either.
Wait till I tell you guys about this hotel called Watergate.
>for military drones
how many crew are aboard those drones
This never would have happened if Mad Catz was still in business.
Based, been P ranking Pizza tower with that little fricker.
Should have bought a Pelican controller.
This is the worst PR Logitech has gotten in years...
Should have sent a gamer with them
>expedition got scrubbed during the time of this filming due to malfunctioning sub
>then when they finally went on the dive in full, got lost
>OceanGate ceo makes fun of Titanic
This just sounded fricking cursed from the start, holy shit.
It would have surfaced by now if they'd experienced anything other than rapid decompression. They're dead Anon.
Surfacing isn't out of the question. It's a white sub in literal thousands of miles of ocean with no surface navigation. It would be next to impossible to find even if it did return to the surface.
signal might be better though
It's a remote possibility that they've surfaced but if that happened they'd almost certainly have been found via radio signals by now.
IIRC the sub is built to surface if literally anything goes wrong, so chances are whatever happened was a catastrophic failure. It may be on the ocean floor.
>The sub is completely controled by a computer
>There is no mention of any redundancy measures
>There is no manual controls of any variety
JFC, has this guy ever actually dealt with the real world before doing this!?
Do you have any idea how heavy a 3-4 km long tether would be?
You don't put the reel on the Sub you doofus.
Jesus, I freaked out going into a sub that barely left fresh water.
I can't imagine going that far deep.
I thought the Dril tweet was just a random joke. I did not believe there was actually cruise trips to the wreckage of the Titanic and people are about to die.
I'm pretty ignorant so this might be a dumb thing to ask, but why couldn't they just send a robit down and haul it to the surface
They can't find it.
but it was at the Titanic. did it drift, how do you not have an anchor or failsafe
what in the world...
Visibility underwater is next to impossible, in a lot of places you won't be able to see more than a foot in front of you. Add onto that drifting caused by currents, molecular interactions, malfunctioning thrusters...
and then the fact to get to the titanic wreck you have a column of water 2.4 miles tall to traverse, so anything you send down there has 2.4 miles' worth of water to resist crushing it.
It's guarded by LVL 90 ship ghosts
The sub isn't tethered to a mother ship, it went down there free style and something went wrong. The place they're at is huge and the ocean is a vast wasteland that fricks with sound and you can't see shit after a few hundred meters. And the submarine itself is tiny. Literally a needle in a haystack, in the middle of the ocean. They could be at the wreckage or be miles off somewhere else.
On top of the dodgy aspects of the sub itself (among other things, the ballast system is apparently just a bunch of metal pipes on a shelf outside of the sub; the people inside just move around enough to make them slide off), from what I understand, they started the descent when there were stormy conditions on the surface. So if it reached the surface after losing communications, it may have been pushed well away from its last known position.
On top of everything else, there's no way to open the hatch from inside; it's bolted shut from outside. So even if it's on the surface, there's no way for them to get out without a rescue ship cutting them out.
Also they painted it white. Since it's so small, that makes it close to invisible from a distance in anything other perfectly calm seas.
The sub is also completely dependent on texts from the mothership for steering as well; because of this, a previous dive attempt saw the Titan get lost for eight hours.
AND it legits has no emergency beacon. No GPs, no transponder, no NOTHING. There is nothing there they could have used to signal to anyone!
Oh, and it was all controlled with an Xbox controller. I shit you not.
I want to feel bad about these people dying but everything I read about this godawful mess of an expedition just makes me think they deserved it for being so goddamn inept.
By that time they probably didn't all the money on it and it was too late to pull out. Classic sunk cost.
Well, they are billionaires. Maybe they're faking their deaths, very heavy-handedly.
Too expensive and risky. Just take a canoe out and pretend you drowned, like that one bong guy did.
>no emergency beacon. No GPs, no transponder,
not a single luxury
he installed a toilet actually so it does have some amenities.
It was a Gilligan's Island joke
The toilet had a window?
imagine the smell
First, nice. Secondly. So does it just like sit in the box until they get back on surface? How does a toilet thousand of feet underwater work?
It's probably a compost toilet. Full of wood shavings or peat moss to absorb the poop.
I appreciated that one anon
>there's no way to open the hatch from inside; it's bolted shut from outside
what the frick?
That’s actually normal. There’s absolutely no reason to open up a small sub inside. To do so would be instant death
There is if it got back to the surface
You wouldn't be able to overcome the pressure to open it at an unsafe depth anyway
>there's no way to open the hatch from inside; it's bolted shut from outside
This reminds me of one time when my dad and I went to visit some rich old fart client of his that had built a house all by himself in the middle of nowhere on the side of a mountain. The "room" he had prepared for us to stay the night was an old frigorific chamber remade into a two-person bunk bed.
The guy told us to close the door so that insects and the cold couldn't get inside, since the door was so hermetic and heavy it'd keep the heat in. But after examining the thing by myself, I told my dad in secret there was no way in hell I'd sleep there with the door closed, because the chamber was an old model never made with the idea of someone repurposing it into a guest room (who would fricking guess) and it could only be opened from the outside; essentially, if we closed it and our 80-something host just happened to die in his sleep, we would have starved to death in complete darkness. So that night we slept with the thing slightly opened, using one of my shoes to prevent the combination of the door's weight and the ground's inclination to naturally close it by themselves.
Bottomline is, never get inside something that can only be opened from the outside. People might call you paranoid, but you will still be alive.
You put your life in the capable hands of a shoe?
It was a strong hiking shoe
Yeah, I could never put my life in the hands of a single sole
glad you lived anon
this reminds me of that one guy on reddit who built his own 'party bunker', and the entire comments section was full of people telling him he was definitely going to die down there.
>this reminds me of that one guy on reddit who built his own 'party bunker', and the entire comments section was full of people telling him he was definitely going to die down there.
very annoyingly /r/DIY has gone private possibly indefinitely because of API changes. i'm not sure what the current reddit backup thing is.
This place is flooded with refugees anon. We're the backup.
i feel for this amount of money you could get one of those immersive moving rooms that makes you feel like you're in a submarine and hook it to a deep sea robot.
here or tumblr yeah.
i hope all those stupid ass old reddit posts aren't gone forever, day by day the internet gets smaller
Do you know how many trips on the Finding Nemo ride you can get for $250,000?
at least one?
It took like 70 years to find the Titanic itself; they only found it on accident when looking for another ship. They're fricked lmao
>they only found it on accident when looking for another ship
No, they were specifically looking for Titanic. But finding it was difficult since the currents had moved it away from the spot where it was expected to be, it was so deep down that it was hard to get there, and the visibility was shit.
Still, you're right in that the ocean is huge and the sub is small. Unless the sub managed to reach the Titanic and got stuck on it, it'll be difficult to find it.
Well a million reasons but for starters it’s in the middle of nowhere 900 miles from the coast in some of the stormiest waters on earth
I dont think its funny to make fun of people's deaths. He should stick to making fun of troons and pedos
>waste $250k on something stupid
>die
The people in the submarine are honorary transgender folks.
Not even remotely similar. I think you are just a ghoulish person who enjoys the suffering of others.
I will pray for you.
Uh, there's a website dedicated to this called the Darwin Awards and nobody complains about that
>t. Ghoul
You got a problem, smoothskin?
>noooo, those poor billionaires
Cackling over your enemies' deaths is pretty tasteless. Dead soviet submariners got buried with full military honours.
Pussy
And here I was originally going to call you an internet badass but chose to be polite.
>See a bunch of references to OceanGate
>Think it's just another use of that old cliche
>It's actually the company's name
>another use of that old cliche
What cliche? I can't find out anymore because any way I search for "OceanGate" now brings up nothing but the stupid fricking submarine.
He means the 'Gate' part of
>WaterGate
>GamerGate
>ComicsGate
>etc. etc. every time a media outrage springs up
But this time that's just the name of the company.
Watergate, Gamergate
come on anon, it's not that deep.
ANON.
Oceangategate
once again, abysmal output by stone. everybody is getting out every joke possible about this story and he can't even come up with something good for this one.
His humor finally hit rock bottom.
more like stone bottom
Never thought he'd sink this low.
He's a lost cause.
You can bet 100% that his fans have called other things “Satanic” for less.
Profiting and mocking people’s deaths? That’s A-Ok when [Approved Person] does it.
>anon says without a hint of irony or self-awareness
I realise tu quoque is all you know, but even you must realise it's useless on an anonymous board, right?
Don't worry, we all know what kind of person you are. No need for personal identification.
What kind of person who is?
he wants you to post foreskin, he's that down bad
No use trying to correct him, that ship has already sailed.
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>you can bet
>it is written
>i saw it in a dream
>meanwhile
>Pfft that evil chud died from Covid? He deserved it. fricking mask-dodging dumbass hope he died in pain
>X times a thousand for the last four years
That’s A-Ok when [Unapproved Person] dies.
>Proving my point
Thanks.
Bootlicker
eh-hey!
carlos
Yeah
Relying for too long on easy targets makes you lazy when it comes to humor. It happens on the left with Trump and on the right with Trannies.
This one's pretty funny.
What's wrong with punching Nazis?
exhuming their graves is pretty costly and messy
everything is a nazi for them
And then when everyone is a nazi, no one will be.
Bad example, those c**ts deserved what they got.
>Not in the street
>Virtue signaling and trying to get his face in there for likes
Nah they deserved it, regardless.
Cringe
Nah cringe is trying to ride the CURRENT THING hype by literally making an empty gesture and having your face in the shot as to make it about you too. Then go back to playing cups. Those gays don't give a shit about anything and deserve the inconvenience for pretending otherwise.
Nothing.
You aren't killing them hard enough.
You mean besides the fact of assaulting someone while preaching love and peace?
Nazis are literally the opposite of love lol your boy blew his brains out in a bunker frick head
way to miss the point
I like how we haven't been deleted, because the jannies haven't noticed the OP is a stonetoss comic solely from a lack of visible flurks.
I'm just glad for the opportunity to discuss this bonkers news story with some Cinemaphilemrades
You are the problem with Cinemaphile and all of Cinemaphile.
i love you too
Turns out these threads get leniency when they aren't being spammed to death with tweets by stonedrones defending their master
But seriously, what reason will jannies give to delete this? Not even remotely /misc/.
If it doesn't attract /misc/tards there's no real reason to delete it. You're making it more likely, though.
It's not cartoons either. Unless you want to talk about the 20,000 leagues under the sea comics
Technically political comics are comics but it seems to be frowned upon to make thread about current politics.
Old school political comic threads are ok though it seems.
I’m still looking for the amogus
I found it in two seconds.
>This sub has no way of navigating itself underwater. It relies on messages from the mothership instructing it where to go. It uses Elon Musk's Starlink, a global satellite internet service, to communicate with its mothership because it is so far out to sea.
...they're dead.
A previous version of this design saw signs of structural failure from depths about half of what it would have taken to reach the Titanic.
Imagine how moronic you would need to be to think that bouncing a signal from a boat to a satellite and then down thousands of feet of water would be in any way safe. Just use a fricking radio, holy shit.
>seriously, radio, have you guys heard of it?
>You know, the thing invented by the actual Tesla, not the grifter living off his name.
>Just use a fricking radio, holy shit.
Radio waves can't penetrate more than about a hundred feet of water. You need a VLF or an ELF transmitter to communicate at submarine operational depth -that maxes out at about 1.2 to 1.3 miles down. The Titanic rests at about 2.4 miles down.
It's why all those little robots and shit James Cameron sends down there are connected to the support boat via cable.
Oh, and while I'm thinking of it, VLF and ELF transmitters are fricking massive. They need to be in a shore facility or mounted on big fricking naval vessel.
Yeah but wires are old school, how are we suppose to be a hip tech startup if we use old proven technology instead of disruptive new technology.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4934316/
tl;dr radio wouldn't do shit to save them because signals underwater have awful transmission qualities/rate
if they had a lifeline connected to a boat like seems to imply then they could easily communicate that way but either the wire snapped or there's not wire at all, which seems to be what most places are implying
>tl;dr radio wouldn't do shit to save them because signals underwater have awful transmission qualities/rate
It could've helped in the scenario where they manage to deploy their ballast and surface.
As designed even if they manage to do an emergency surface their hatch is bolted shut from the outside, and with no transponder to lead a rescue crew to them, they'd still suffocate.
No manual controls sounds pretty moronic but I'm 99% sure that if the connection is lost it uses a preprogrammed sequence to surface
>but I'm 99% sure that if the connection is lost it uses a preprogrammed sequence to surface
Why are you so sure when it clearly hasn't surfaced yet?
>it clearly hasn't surfaced yet
It's not clear though, it's small enough and the color isn't striking at all, it could be on the surface just a few miles away and it'd be very hard to find.
It would be really depressing. Imagine it had surfaced, they still can't get out of the submarine because it's sealed, they might suffocate to death on the fricking surface.
Because they've apparently said it automatically surfaces if something goes wrong and that would be the only reason anyone would be ok not having any kind of manual controls - that 1% uncertainty is from knowing that this thing was totally unclassed and unregulated and some rich people are just that crazy to think they know what's ok not to put in a sub (like a GPS beacon...)
That it (probably) hasn't resurfaced likely means it either got stuck on something, lost power, or imploded. I don't know if anyone has gotten all the way down to the Titanic wreck and its surroundings on the floor to sea if the sub is there yet, but to me that sounds like a very shitty best case scenario.
The articles so far mention the mother ship being able to text message the sub, so I imagine they could text back if they had power which would help narrow down the search - which is anything but narrow
It worked for the Soviet Submarine Force (kursk not withstanding). Just a lot of automation since you are dealing with mostly inexperienced two year conscripts.
It's impressive that no one has edited the cabin to have desperate screaming people or corpses
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I find if strange the the dead man switch hasn't gone off yet.
The thing has a fail safe where if it's underwater for too long it will automatically drop weight to cause it to surface. This is more of a thing that happens if everyone passes out.
I'm guessing that means that it's trapped under something or they had a leak.
Or they cut corners on the safety systems so they failed.
Or it's bobbing around somewhere way off course in a million square kilometres of storm-tossed ocean.
Probably the most likely thing after implosion at this point. The decision to paint it white instead of dayglo orange or some other color not found in nature is one of the dumbest things in a huge list of stupid ideas.
No, that doesn't fly. They had so many redundancies it's a laughable idea.
Also, the company has a history of aborting the mission when something seemed off. Apparently it's rare for them to ever get to see the Titanic.
Then what do you think happened that made them cut comms an hour in, and no explosion sound detected? They hadn't reached the titanic yet, so debris entanglement seems unlikely
Can't call off the mission once comms are gone, and they fully expected to lose comms at the point they did, which is why they didn't report them missing for 12 hours
If they got stuck in the wreck of the Titanic there's no chance of escape, especially given the whole "96 hours of life support for 5" claim is totally untested and unverified.
Being bolted in with no way to ventilate the chamber may kill them even if they are surfaced
>If they got stuck in the wreck
Were they actually going INSIDE the ship? I was under the impression that they were just observing the outside.
Frick, if part of the plan was to enter the ship they are as good as dead. Case solved.
I really have no idea what the itinerary of the trip is, I couldn't say if it's reasonable to think they might have gotten into a position where going straight up wouldn't lead to surfacing
There's not enough room to go inside the ship with a submarine. Even small remotely-controlled robots are challenging to get in there.
But if the sub did reach the ship, there is a possibility that they went too close and accidentally hit the wreck. Perhaps some structure collapsed on top of the sub, and either broke something important or physically got it stuck. There have been previous incidents where the wreck got damaged by submarines.
So not only did they potentially kill five people they also desecrated what is essentially a grave site.
I think you get a pass on desecrating a grave by dying on it
So should we etch five more names into the titanic memorials?
Desecrate? This was desired by the wreck. The Titantic is still hungry. It MUST be fed eventually, and they were the lucky winners. The ship will be sated... for now.
Perhaps, if they reached it. I think it's entirely possible that some kind of a malfunction occurred before they ever got to their destination. Like when the Challenger disaster happened because of the O-ring seal failure. Tiny design flaws can cause catastrophic consequences. And it sounds like there were a lot of design flaws in that submarine.
I doubt they ever did. They apparently lost contact less than 2 hours into the fricking expedition and even then nobody could find where it magically disappeared to.
did they even make it to the titanic, i thought that thing was really hard to find
We don't know, they didn't expect to have communications.
At some point after reaching the hour forty mark something happened, we don't know what. The ship didn't even realize anything was wrong until 12 hours later when it failed to reestablish contact
There are like 1000 comments saying "lol i guess they got the titanic experience" about the titanic tourists.
Fricking joke stealing hack.
Yeah this and the comic where he copied the thousands of people making the “brown kids think DBZ is relatable” joke
Lowest effort possible and his simps still act like he’s a genius
assuming they still have power, which would assume failsafes in a design like this.
Imagine them all crammed in there right now in pitch black cold and darkness slowly starving to death. And these billionaires thought their money could make them immortal. Guess not lol.
they were probably compressed into a flesh ball that also turned them inside out, like if you made a meatball then dropped it on the floor. that's probably what they look like now if they did die 🙁
>tfw you will never taste the millionaire meatball at the bottom of the ocean
remember me of this
That’s just the game Markiplier is making a movie about
https://www.newsweek.com/captain-missing-titanic-submarine-posted-bad-weather-1807733
>Due to the worst winter in Newfoundland in 40 years, this mission is likely to be the first and only manned mission to the Titanic in 2023. A weather window has just opened up and we are going to attempt a dive tomorrow. We started steaming from St. Johns, Newfoundland, Canada yesterday and are planning to start dive operations around 4am tomorrow morning. Until then we have a lot of preparations and briefings to do," he wrote.
They literally went out in the Atlantic Ocean during, and I quote; "the worst winter in Newfoundland in 40 years". And they just went in the ocean anyways?
I have a strong feeling that the billionaire explorer Harding guy absolutely pushed for Oceangate to go ahead with the dive and if they didn't do it, they'd not only be out of one million dollars but made sure to tell them they'd let the rest of his billionaire adventure clubs know just how roughshod this whole operation was from the start.
This just feels like rushed deadlines and a lost million dollars/even more lost revenue made z bunch of people do a really dumb thing like launch a subpar submersible in storm ridden Atlantic waters.
The CEO was on that sub. The company will be completely screwed by PR.
Much like the inventor of the Sub this guy ended dying in a sub of his own making.
>They literally went out in the Atlantic Ocean during, and I quote; "the worst winter in Newfoundland in 40 years".
the real tragedy is Gordon Lightfoot died a month beforehand
Would keeping these subs on a cable be out of the question?
Titanic is 4km down so it's too long for a cable.
The main problem is they were in a sub rated for 20MPA and at 4km down is 40MPA. This is ignoring the whole zero redundancy off the shelf consumer grade electronics they used to control the sub. It was probably the cheapest possible sub someone with little experience in the field can build but easily the most dangerous.
They didn't even do a test dive to make sure the thing actually worked. Or ask anyone with experience in building subs to see if their plan was sane.
Now I want to know how they became billionaires in the first place.
>how did they become a billionaire when they're so dumb!?
What if I told you monetary success, especially to that degree, has absolutely nothing to do with merit.
You've gotta be fricking shitting me
Next time don't buy Logitech
Gave N is a part of this?
Wouldn't have problems if they used a Steam deck.
most current news appears to be no sign of the sub, ~38 hours of air left if it's intact
the Navy is deploying sonar and scrambling ships with deep sea rescue capabilities to the area
the sub may be stuck on the actual titanic wreckage itself
Also apparently the company that made the sub discussed but ultimately dismissed giving the craft an emergency transponder - for about 5 hours on a previous mission the sub had no idea where it was and neither did the ship steering it (it's controlled from the "mothership")
This just sounds like a bunch of rich buttholes wanted to flout basic safety regulations and now they're paying for it
That's not real.
No shit
Well actually it seems like quite a lot
this is fake, my brother is james cameron and he said they found the hole at the bottom of the ocean and went through it to enter hyperborea
frick you for making me laugh this hard about this, good lord.
Got me.
i love Cinemaphile sometimes dude lmfao
Meanwhile V is saying they got killed because they discovered the dark conspiracy behind the titanic sinking.
Yeah, but Cinemaphile would believe they got mixed up in a real Nonary Game just because the Titanic is involved.
The sub is definitely somewhere in Nevada
man I gotta finish that game
All the conspiracy theories about the Titanic that get brought up in 999 are true.
>The Titanic's maiden voyage was so important with so much money riding on it that there were dozens of conspiracies to sink it all operating independently of each other at the same time
It all makes sense now
>They all accidentally thwart competing sabotage attempts
>In the end they just accidentally crash into an Iceberg
it was a canon event
>there was a sub inside the ship
It all fits!!!!
I thought this was going to be the Federal Reserve conspiracy
>Federal Reserve conspiracy
which federal reserve conspiracy?
The original one
John Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim, and Isidor Strauss were all on board the ship and were three of the wealthiest men on the planet at the time and according to the conspiracy were all opposed to the creation of the federal reserve.
JP Morgan, who was pro-creation of the Federal Reserve, had a suite booked but chose last minute to go on the voyage.
So the conspiracy is that JP Morgan and his fellow pro-federal reservists sabotaged the Titanic to get rid of three of the most powerful men who would oppose the Federal Reserve. I think in some iteration there were some Rothschilds that bailed on going last minute as well. Within a year of the sinking the Federal Reserve Act was passed.
Looking into it, some websites say none of the three ever actually commented publicly on the concept of the Federal Reserve, so who know what their opinion actually was. Some people say it's "funny" these three rich men couldn't buy their way onto a lifeboat, but all eye witness accounts of them in the final hours indicate they spent their time helping others into boats and dying as gentlemen. Remarkable people.
The confusing part is why they think the supposed conspirators elaborately refitted the Titanic to look like the Olympic and vice versa down to the part numbers on the interior fittings, rather than just... sinking the Titanic.
Oh that's a separate conspiracy. I just learned about the Olympic one in this thread. In the Federal Reserve conspiracy it was always just the Titanic.
But the Olympic one seems even dumber, like you can't just disguise a ship that big launching from dry dock, it's pretty well documented.
There actually WERE some refits to both ships prior to Titanic's Voyage. I think because Olympic had some technical difficulties that the captain of the Titanic wanted to avoid. Been years since I saw that documentary so don't quote me.
Oh my GOD THE FRICKING israeliteS PUT THE ICEBERG THERE
ayyyy wtf is this? that sure as shit matches.
RMS Olympic was a sister ship of the Titanic, somehow the wreckage of the Titanic looks like the Olympic despite being called the Titanic.
So they swapped ship or something and sank it on purpose.
>that sure as shit matches.
That is unsurprising considering she was an Olympic-class vessel.
Your ships are labeled wrong. The top one is Titanic, the other one is Olympic.
fed
really?
LOOOOOOL
I can go on an airplane no problem, but I would absolutely refuse to participate in any sort of deep sea diving expedition. The more I read about this, the more and more horrifying it sounds.
This project is notable for the lack of safety measures other deep sea diving expedition generally utilize.
But, same.
To put this into context, most of the first people to go over Niagara Falls in a fricking wooden barrel were less foolhardy about precautions
>ballast is a bunch of sewer pipes crammed into a detachable assembly
>zero GPS
>zero manual control except a hydraulic lever to release the ballast assembly
>painted white which makes it effectively invisible even if it surfaced
If anything at all goes wrong, even a momentary power loss causing the sub to drift with the current and get lost, everyone on board is probably dying a horrifying death
Honestly the most merciful way this could have happened is implosion
The prospects of slowly suffocating at the bottom of the ocean or starving sealed in a tube floating in the middle of the ocean are both nightmarish
If it surfaced and those windows are big enough they can get cooked by sunlight.
I refuse to believe someone didn't get that I was just listing puns.
white which makes it effectively invisible even if it surfaced
Why didn't they paint it literally anything else? They must have known
WE'RE ALL DEAD IN A TINY SUBMARINE
TINY SUBMARINE
TINY SUBMARINE
CRUSHED TO PASTE IN A TINY SUBMARINE
TINY SUBMARINE
TINY SUBMARINE
I feel most bad for the guy who was actually a diver
I don't feel bad for him at all. If I were him and had gotten anywhere near that sub and seen that they were missing X, Y, and/or Z, I would have immediately fricked off. But he let himself get sealed into a death can anyway. It sucks, but he dug his own watery grave.
Did they seriously not have a basic radio onboard to contact the mothership, or frankly any emergency response options?
How’d they crash anyway?
>How’d they crash anyway?
WITH NO SURVIVORS
WAS FINDING THE TITANIC PART OF YOUR PLAN?
YOURE A BIG SHIP
Exact details on the capabilities of the sub seem sparse, from what I can tell they had the ability to receive texts from a mother ship so I assume they could send them as well
But they specifically did not put a GPS beacon on the ship, and without power or a connection to starlink the only "controls" in the sub itself is a lever to release the ballast.
Supposedly they lost contact at about an hour and thirty minutes, which I think would be a good ways before reaching the wreck. So they're probably either imploded or lost at sea in a tiny white tube they can't escape or message from
We know it can text back to the mother ship because a previous run saw the submersible get lost for eight hours.
They never lost contact with it, mind you, the sub just kept going in circles because they didn't have any idea where they were.
The mothership's responses were apparently to keep trying to figure out where they were, offering unhelpful directions, and cut off any wifi so reporters on board couldn't tweet about it.
After watching an ex-navy guy go over all the available material they apparently had text communications but fully expected to lose them when they did due to depth, which is why they reported the sub missing 12 hours after embarking instead of a few hours after losing comms. They expected to reestablish as it came back up.
Whether it's missing at sea or stuck on the wreckage of the titanic or imploded, the result is the same. Those people stand no chance because the twat of a CEO was able to sell commercial tickets for his unclassed untested deathtrap of a sub. Apparently even the whole "96 hours of air" thing is also completely untested and unproven, and given the utter incompetence of other aspects of the design (no way to vent the sub? bolted in? what if there's a fricking fire?) it's possible that that number is complete bullshit.
Before a previous design proved unable to withstand the trip, they were planning to sell the trips for $100K each. So it's more than doubled so there's certainly corner cutting being down to try and drag it into profitability.
Radio doesn't propagate underwater. What they do have is an acoustic modem, which apparently stopped working.
We don't know what happened. And unless the sub is found, we might never find out.
The optimistic best-case scenario is that communications are the only part that failed, and the sub's navigation still works fine. In that case, the sub should've surfaced by now. If so, it might've drifted far away from where it was last seen. Since the sub can only be opened from the outside, it must be found before the air inside it runs out.
That's the scenario people are hoping for. Other options are that there might've been a failure in the ballast system, or some unknown problem could've caused a leak or an implosion, or something else unforeseen might've occurred. If the sub is currently at the bottom of the sea, saving the crew from such a vast depth is basically impossible. Plus there's a possibility that some malfunction already killed them, and that's the whole reason why the sub stopped communicating with the surface.
It's also painted white so it's basically fricking invisible.
Honestly, I felt bad when I first heard what happened, but everytime I read more info about what happened, I lose more and more sympathy for anyone who was fricking moronic enough to climb into that thing.
This whole thing sounds like the start of a bad joke.
>Did you hear the one about the billionaires at the bottom of the ocean?
Okay Anon, you’re on that sub.
What do you do?
Fart
Depends, are we on the ocean floor/lost underwater or are we on the surface?
If the latter try my best to sleep and stay calm
If the former try to get another passenger to kill me
Honestly you’re super fricked
do something really weird to myself that will make for mass conspiracy theories when they eventually find my skeleton
If anyone has a belt we can probably make it easy on ourselves.
Die
1. Turn Cellphone Back on
2. Go to /misc/
3. Set up a He Shall Not Divide Us Flag in the Sub
4. Post image of it to /misc/
Either I live when /misc/ comes to steal the flag, or I die and /misc/ takes the L.
Ooh, bait Kiwifarms, they'll find you in no time
Copious amount of unprotected sex.
I'd bypass the compressor and save the day
Knock a hole in the window to release all the poopy fartgas
gg i win
>puncture hole in submarine
>use fart propulsion to get back to the surface
why don't they just do this? are they stupid?
Realize I was a shark this whole time. "Whoops, sorry guys, I forgot." I then proceed to thrash around and eat the crew.
rape
Just get out and swim back to the surface lmao you homosexual ass pussies don't even know how to swim
Tell one of the guys to get off the sub so he can push us.
>Okay Anon, you’re on that sub.
Step 1. Leave the sub immediately before departure. I've got better shit to do than see a shipwreck with my time and money.
Literally me
damn bratty nidorina needs empathy correction
>spent all that research and development to create an elaborate underwater coffin for rich tourists
damn
Dead man switch? Is that a normal function?
Remember kids, safety regulations are written in blood.
How the frick were they supposed to see the wreck anyway? The only window is at the toilet end, right?
seeing as how it's controlled with a goddamn gamepad I don't think there was any thought going into any of this besides "OH MAN I CAN FLEECE PEOPLE" *dies one of the most horrific possible deaths*
>blaming the controller
noob alert
ironically, the gamepad is the one part that isn't completely moronic. Video game controllers are used in a lot more military hardware than you'd expect.
I’ve been asking myself this the whole time. Do they have cameras hooked up to the screens? Also, I’m assuming (if they aren’t a meatball / pancake) they have no light on board even if they can use that window.
Jesus Christ. Imagine what they’re feeling and thinking about right now all alone in the dark. Or maybe there’s a light idk
>The corner cutting CEO is getting RUTHLESSLY gangbanged, with no way to escape or fight back.
If he has even an ounce of integrity he'd voluntarily kill himself to prolong the survival of his customers
Do you think they deserve to die?
You want the truth? No, they didn't deserve to die, but nobody is going to mourn people like this dying in this way. They died in terror and agony and nobody is really going to care after a few days.
The End.
>nobody is going to mourn people like this dying in this way
Except like, their wives and children and whatnot.
>Except like, their wives and children and whatnot.
Yeah, that's assumed, but beyond that these are people of money and means and those types don't make relationships where they'll be mourned.
News media are already spinning it a certain way. Nobody with half a brain cell is going to give a shit when it's inevitably revealed that they did become a plate of Ikea meatballs, it will just be another tragedy people gawk at on their phones for a couple seconds and then move on
No, what they're going through is horrific.
But they absolutely brought it on themselves.
nah
No, they're probably rich buttholes but even if they are, dying in the deep ocean and by starvation no less is horrifying and undeserved by anyone.
The CEO of the company who made the sub, has publicly said that he thinks safety standards are for cucks, and silenced a whistleblower? Yes.
The other people, probably not.
I can't really think of a shittier way to go, no one deserves that
>Did they deserve to die?
What a stupid question. They built the most obvious deathtrap there is, voluntarily went inside it, and died.
Regardless of any form of moral desert, it's simply how things work. You cannot fault anyone but themselves for the outcome.
This, it's like the nutty putty cave guy. Sometimes if you try hard enough, you can have a nice day fantastically.
>nutty putty cave guy
That guy was experienced too. Experienced people always end up killing themselves from being overconfident.
>That guy was experienced too. Experienced people always end up killing themselves
Both are fantastically dangerous, and you just roll the dice once too often.
OH.
ANOTHER 'SUBTLE' BAIT THREAD, ALBERT.
TO THINK THAT IN A WORLD SUCH AS THIS, WITH SUCH CREATIVE TALENT...
HUMANS HAVE MANAGED TO INVENT BOREDOM.
AND A WAY TO MAKE OTHERS BORED.
ME, FOR INSTANCE.
RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ALL A PATHETIC WASTE OF LIFE, REALLY.
Death you should be loving this thread.
SHOULD I ENJOY HUMAN SUFFERING?
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GIVES ME MORE WORK TO DO?
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'VE DIED YET BECAUSE OF QUANTUM?
I THINK NOT.
The age of the steam-powered submersible is here once more.
Damn it Anon you made me giggle
THE FISH!
GUYS THE FISHERARINOS!
SUS! MOGUS! HE DID IT GUYS! HOLY SHIT
HE MADE THE FISH AMOGUS IN THIS PICTURE! I AM PISSING MYSELF WITH LAUGHTER! HOLY FRICK! I HAVENT BEEN THIS HAPPY SINCE MY BROTHER OFFED HIMSELF CAUSE HE COULDNT GET A LOONA PLUSHY EARLY!
ARE YOU SEEING THE FISH? FRICKING AMOGUS!
GUYS DO YOU SEE? DO YOU SEE IT? THE FISH IS AMOGUS MEME! HAHAHAHAHAHA THIS GUY KNOWS HOW TO WRITE HIS COMICS BETTER THAN THAT FRICKING troony BEAR IN A HAT! HOLY SHIT WHERE IS THIS GUYS PATREON? I WANNA SEE HIS UNCENSORED STUFF! GOD MY PANTS ARE RUINED!
FISHMOGUS! GENIUS!
Did they drown or did the pressure crush them?
If the hull breached they would have been crushed quite quickly. Otherwise they are still alive but slowly dehydrating or asphyxiating to death.
Hopefully they got crushed in seconds, if now they are wobbling back and fort in the dark dept of the oceans covered in piss and probably asphyxiating.
Fun fact about subs, the first submarine was used by the Confederate army and only had a successful mission before being lost, it killed 26 people, 21 of which where confederates as it sank 3 times before they could iron out the kinks killing everyone inside each time including its creator.
On the bright side it managed to sink a ship before sinking again for good.
>build boat
>it kills more of your own men than the enemy's
i clapped
lol is it true the only provisions they brought was 1 sandwich each and 5 bottles of water
>she
brehs would you the titanic?
>Employ raised concerns about the dubious safety of the vessel, and got fired
>sub could go to a depth of 3,000 meters - titanic is @ 3,800
>CEO - who was on board - said the standard regulatory process is 'anathema to innovation'
>submersible was controlled by a logitech controller w/ 3d printed joysticks
>Oceangate's physical location has been shuttered - all signage removed, and windows papered up
this entire thing is a fricking shitshow jfc
There's definitely something fishy going on here, it's too moronic for them to have zero self-awareness
>fishy
nice
Rich people wanting to pull back on regulations often lack that kind of self-awareness.
Not really they were outspoken about safety and the sub sank.
honestly...their safety protocols seem sub-standard.
>Buy ticket for $250,000 sub ride to the Titanic
>Crawl into tiny metal tube
>Pilot pulls out this bad boy to control it
What do you do
Not complain about it, unless you want the business end of that sucker.
I'll pull out my copy of Soul Calibur 2 (Gamecube) and pick Link to play against him. Good luck beating me with that clunky piece of shit.
Really hope it cracked and they died instantly from the implosion. Quicker and kinder than just waiting to die in that thing.
They recovered onboard audio
Postan link
http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/649229661165a-iamgoingtohellforthis.php
https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-titanic-sub-passenger-massive-waiver-listed-death-3-times-on-page
>As a desperate search continues for the submersible that went missing Sunday night during a trip to the Titanic wreck, one former passenger of OceanGates’ Titan revealed details of his trip, including the repeated death warnings. Mike Reiss, showrunner for The Simpsons, said he signed “a long, long waiver that mentions death three times on page one” before his expedition last year. “Death is always lurking, it’s always in the back of your mind,” he told the New York Post. Reiss claimed he received little to no training prior to the voyage, and described the deep-sea vessel as the size of a minivan with its seats removed. After hitting the ocean floor, the sub sailed around “powered by engines that look like desktop fans” and helmed by a video-game controller, Reiss said. “We spent about 90 minutes just hunting around,” he said. “It’s just so dark down there.” When they finally found the Titanic, the divers only had 20 minutes to look through a porthole the size of a washing machine door. Reiss said he paid more than $100,000 for the experience.
The Simpsons showrunner could have been in this mess.
>the divers only had 20 minutes to look through a porthole the size of a washing machine door
THAT'S IT?
Hey, look, they only had four days' worth of air. How much time were you expecting? That'll be $100k plus tip, please like and subscribe.
The more facts I read about this, the less sympathy I feel
I feel sorry for that 19 year old dying with his dad, but everyone else here were supposed to be adults who should have been smarter than the dumbass CEO who hated safety. Like, they've probably worked with different agencies with stricter and stringent rules and regulations, this wasn't their first rodeo. They should have looked at this, and at what Stockton said about safety and realized they were dealing with an idiot who didn't know what he was doing. That British guy and the French guy were old pros at this type of adventure.
He suffered from "Self Hating Old White Guy" syndrome.
No, he suffered from trying to make money from billionaire rubes and wanted to do it quickly and cut safety measures and fired a safety supervisor for not following through with his brand of hubris.
This Stockton guy was the exact type of ghoul who would have been hired to work on the Titanic before it's voyage.
What's bad is they just had that project completed that has the most detailed scans of the ship so you can "tour" it in better detail virtually now. People want to 'be there' but the ocean at that depth isn't just a high pressure nightmare it's dark as sin, and you aren't going to get much out of it beyond, I guess, bragging rights. Humans tend to be stupid, putting value on certain things for being ancient and not realizing every fricking thing on this planet, every rock, every mineral, even life itself is build on the same matter recycled since the creation of this fricking dustball.
Super rich people want bragging rights and "unique" experiences. It's why so many of the fricks die climbing Everest, a feat that is entirely pointless.
I can't wait until they start packing themselves into spaceships to Mars, only to vanish halfway there because of frickwits like this.
Didn't you hear, anon? The US already has an underground base on Mars complete alien representatives present. The former head of the Israeli space agency said so. Trump was going to tell us but the Galactic Federation grabbed him by the throat and told him to back the frick off.
I said it earlier in the thread, Everest is a tourist trap anyone can go to, space is already a commercial destination and the ocean is still a vastly unexplored region on earth. Especially the deep ocean.
I'm convinced rich people do crazy shit like this so they have something to brag about to other rich people.
>Oh, you went sky diving last week, well I went to fricking space.
yes actually, rich people are in a constant money race to live larger than they can to show up other rich people and keep up appearances
Imagine how much money Elon will make to send the first 6 people to Mars to die.
jesus christ how horrifying
i feel a little bad for laughing at this now
From what I understand:
Pressure underwater increases by 1 atmosphere every 10 meters
A PSI of 135 (what they used in mythbusters here) is about 9.2 atmospheres so about 82 meters down (8.2 from depth, 1 from the actual atmosphere above water)
The titan was likely at around 3k meters down when it lost contact. If it did rupture at or below 3k meters we're talking about at least 4,430 PSI. Nearly 33 times the force.
Honestly with how quickly carbon fiber shatters and how much pressure is exerted at those depths I wouldn't be surprised if a catastrophic failure would result in the implosion becoming an ionized fireball
>I don't even think we need to bring him up!
>No, just leave him down there!
KEK
If I were there I would suggest fricking because we gonna die anyway and I don't wanna die as a virgin
they're all middle-aged men
one brought their teenage son
If it worked that way incels would all just frick each other.
You can't even imagine the winning bid for "first human being to set foot on another planet".
>Be me, submarine technician
>Assigned to accompany some rich fricks in the depths of the Atlantic Ocean
>Submarine malfunctioned and crashed into an enormous metal structure
>Realize it's the Titanic wreck, trapped inside
>Shit.wav
>Panic sets in, claustrophobia consumes the crew
>Strange things start happening
>Lights flicker on and off, eerie noises echo through the sub
>Crew members report seeing figures moving in the periphery of their vision
>I think it's just paranoia, try to rationalize it
>One night, while I laid awake restless, I see movement outside the sub's small window
>Heart pounds in my chest as I cautiously approach the window
>Glance outside, my eyes meet a pair of dead, lifeless eyes
>It's a vengeful spirit from the Titanic, peering into our sub
>Fear paralyzes me as I watch more spirits gather around, their gaze fixed upon us
>The dipshit CEO orders us to ignore them, claims they can't hurt us
>But their eyes, those haunting eyes, send shivers down my spine
>People start disappearing, one by one
>They're taken, pulled into the abyss by unseen forces
>The remaining passengers are on edge, sanity slipping away
>We hear whispers in the darkness, voices from the other side
>Titanic's victims demanding justice, seeking vengeance
>Days turn into weeks, trapped in this underwater nightmare
>I'm the last one left, huddled in a corner of the sub
>The spirits outside have grown restless, banging on the metal hull
>Their eyes, their lifeless eyes, burn into my soul
Yeah these homies are fricked. Shouldn’t have fricked with forces beyond our comprehension. Should’ve stayed their scallywag asses on land.
>looking out the window
>seeing figures in periphery
lol
it's a metal tube the size of an SUV with no seats and the only window is a tiny porthole in front of the toilet
>Days turn into weeks
That is a shockingly optimistic assumption.
yeah if the navy guy's video is to be believed there's no indication the life support was tested for more than 1 person for 10 hours, 5 people for 96 hours is probably complete horseshit.
If you're talking about Sub Brief he basically shows why this guy didn't hire experts. Because he goes through and says "Were are the gas monitoring systems? Where's the life support? How will you deal with Carbon Monoxide?" An expert would take one look at this guy's plans and tell him he's going to kill the crew eventually. And that's *very* inconvenient, because it means that whatever waiver you have them sign, the families of the victims can argue you were grossly negligent.
Personally I hope the pressure hull collapsed. Because getting pulverized in a fraction of a second is a much better way to go than some of the alternatives.
It's a pretty sorry state of affairs when the most hopeful scenario is getting instantly vaporized by igniting oxygen during an implosion
there is a resson we have explored more of space than we have the oceans, it hates us down there with a ferocity the Void can't match, and it has every right to do so
i'd read it
Unda da sea
Unda da sea
Rescue's not coming
No redundancies running
Soon they can't breathe
So the big dive hit a snag
Two days of shitting into a bag
Their net worth imploded
Like the sub they all loaded
UNDA DA SEA
Jesus Sebastian, the bodies aren't even wet yet.
Well if I wasn't going to go to hell already for associating with you degenerate morons before, I am now. Top kek
Was this the maiden voyage of the thing or had they actually made it down to the Titanic before on the same little tube? I've read a few articles and it sounds like the damn thing shouldn't have survived even a test run.
They took it down before and it got lost
>dying somewhere where your body cannot be retrieved and will linger there forever
kino...
They found the Black Marker.
>bolted from the outside
Do you think the passengers were told about that before getting in?
>Cinemaphile thread
>derailed by /misc/homosexuals
every fricking time
I mean it's a stonetoss thread, it was inevitable OP would come back and ruin a good sub convo
And we're in autosage. Congratulations anon for having the thread go full distance without exploding, like most of these do! Unfortunately we can't say the same for the sub.
What? This is civil and directly related to the subject matter.
I FRICKING LOVE DEAD BILLIONAIRES
that's not very nice, how would you feel if it happened to you?
>how would you feel if you became a billionaire?
I'd probably donate the majority of it and spend the rest on a business to keep me set for life. I wouldn't come up with some sort of moronation like "let's make my own spaceship out of duct tape and see if it can fly me to the moon" just because I have too much money.
lol I'm not a moronic fricking billionaire with God delusions, thus I *wouldn't be doing something as worthless as trying to hump the Titatic inside of a tiny sea-dildo*
MORE DEAD BILLIONAIRES, I NEED THEM ALL DYING IN THE DUMBEST FRICKING WAYS POSSIBLE, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Why doesn't Aquaman save them?
He was last seen black-out drunk in a mud puddle (really).
He was deported.
The Kraken took them
And he'll be havin' YE as well if ye don't respond to this post in two shakes of an eel's tail
CURSE YE MOTHER SCURVY DOG
Not me Mr. Kraken, I promise I'll be good.
But Mrs. Kraken is ok though, she's just lookin' for a good time.
Please don't make me walk the plank I can't swim
No not Kanye! He'll drown!
LET NO JOYFUL VOICE BE HEARD
LET NO MAN LOOK TO THE SKY WITH HOPE
Do ye like me lobster?
I challenge ye to a game o dice!
Kraken get ye gon
YARR
Do you think people were sitting around making jokes back in 1912 or is it just the internet that makes it so you're unable to die without civilization as a whole coming together to roast the shit out of you
100% people made Titanic jokes
If I'm unlucky enough to get a real shit death, I hope it's funny or ironic enough that people would laugh...preferably not at me, but eh...
The Titanic was a passenger vessel with a bunch of impoverished people trying to get to where they needed to go. I'd equate this more to John Kennedy's plane crash or Paul Walker driving his Porsche 93 in a 45.
The answer is yes. People definitely made jokes about every disaster.
Also I don't know that a really good point of comparison for this exists.
This is such a special combination of absolute and unchecked negligence, extremely experimental design, and commercial marketing (three of the five on board are paying customers, coughing up 250 grand a piece).
Probably jokes as well, they were just watercooler ones or private ones with family, and so they didn't spread. It was likely taboo to joke about it publicly (likely still is) but people can always make crass humor. You can just do so anonymously now over the internet.
>It was likely taboo to joke about it publicly (likely still is)
Did you know the bathtubs on the Titanic still have water in them