I won't lie, this is probably the lowest DC has ever been. So reverting back to the logo at the time when DC was good would be the greatest thing, or the worst.
refreshing myself on the issue with the main issue with the skate shoe company and DC comics boiled down to both using DC and a star. There I fixed the issue, where is my money dc?
How the frick did this comic take nearly a decade to make, considering how short and unremarkable it is? There is nothing experimental or daring in this. We've seen since the bronze age that joker is willing to protect Bruce's identity.
No. I'm an artist, and not a cal-arts tier artist. No artwork in this comic justifies taking a decade to make. Jason Fabok's art in Three Jokers is fricking fantastic, and it didn't take nearly as much time.
It’s honestly really annoying that amazing has been twice monthly, frickers gonna be the only marvel book at 1000 with the closest book to him being somewhere in the high 700s
Tp be fair Marvel and DC were objectively never good, there is a reason why no big 2 writer or comic was ever considered relevant outside the comics bubble, they are all low quality stories.
Moore, Kirby Gaiman, Miller, Starlin, Kirkman and Mignola were massively influencial outside of comics, regardless of how you feel about their writing. Not just in movies, but prose books and by influencing other creators.
>Moore, Kirby Gaiman, Miller, Starlin, Kirkman and Mignola
No they fricking aren't unless you are talking about sales and in this case modern shonen stomp even their highest point, if you wanted something that actually had any relevancy on being good you should mention Conan.
>unless you are talking about sales
I said "outside of comics." How would I possibly be talking about sales, you moron? Did you just want to talk about manga and quoted a random post to do it regardless of the content?
I never said influencial, I said relevant, none of them are highly praised works, none of them are seen as good by non comic standards.
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Anonymous
>none of them are highly praised works
Probably because I didn't list "works", I listed authors. Can you speak English? Because if you can't, I'm not surprised you don't get the authors I'm referencing.
>none of them are seen as good by non comic standards
Disney just released a documentary in which Stan Lee claims to have created Marvel all by himself. After the Kirby estate made a statement claiming falsehood, creators from every industry, from everywhere outside comics, came out to say Kirby was the God of Olympus for them and no one was more relevant.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you moronic or missing the point on purpose? None of Kirby stories are highly praised by non comic books standards and yes comic books are books. Do you think Dr Strange or Fantastic four would join the top 10, 100 or even 1000 best fantasy or sci fi stories?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>praised by non comic books standards
I just told you non comic book creators, i.e. non comic book standards, praised Kirby over and over since last week.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You are either moronic or delusional, just cope.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not hearing the counter argument. I gave you an example of what you were asking for.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Writers supporting Kirby is not him being praised and seen as one of the greastest writers ever by critics or the world as a whole, you are straight up moronic if you think any of his works are even above average. Again cope.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>one of the greastest writers ever
Your claim was "no big 2 writer was ever considered relevant outside the comics bubble." Why did you move the goalpost?
11 months ago
Anonymous
again relevant not influential again even shitty manga outsell and is more referenced than Marvel and DC at this point
11 months ago
Anonymous
Writers from outside comics saying Kirby inspired their career and is their high mark they aspire to reach is the definition of Kirby being relevant outside of comics. Also, you said "ever," so it only needs to have happened once to disprove your claim.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Which writers and how many?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You said it never ever happened, so I only need to mention the single example of Guillermo del Toro to prove you're ignorant.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Good director, not an authority on books.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You said it had never happened, not that it had never happened from one of the best writers of all time. Make up your mind.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not an argument, you're full on damage control because you can't accept that Marvel and DC were always cheap stories using stolen ideas from actually good novels.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Hey leave that goalpost alone
11 months ago
Anonymous
and even the "influence" of the big 2 is pretty debatable, several of their "ideas" like a Super Soldier created from a serum or a guy going to another planet and dealing with aliens that look just like his race while developing superpowers were from older novels and were overused tropes at that point
11 months ago
Anonymous
Influence doesn't mean originality. They only need to have been the most popular ones to do the trope to influence, not the first.
Anyway, how is Watchmen's influence debatable?
11 months ago
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and inb4 "Dr Strange is not Kirby", I'm talking about Marvel as a whole little smartass
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Do you think Dr Strange or Fantastic four would join the top 10, 100 or even 1000 best fantasy or sci fi stories?
You mean like Watchmen, the DC Comic, did?
Action Comics and Batwoman were not good, but passable. Batman, Inc was good. The rest never should have been published.
Midnighter, Section Eight, Grayson, Secret Six and Multiversity are good comics, but they're not part of the New 52.
Most of them are just worse than what they were before the reboot.
Action Comics was held back because of the reboot and would have been better if it had years of lore.
Aquaman started strong, but went to shit in vol2.
Being forced to read Green Arrow should be a war crime.
Swampthing is mid and is just there to make retcons to a better book that wasn't even canon anymore.
The Movement gave us one of the best Weekend of Pain threads I've ever seen. Make of that what you will.
Justice League was a shitshow that kept on setting up plots and never followed up on them.
DC has never recovered and anyone telling you it’s anything but unmitigated dogshit either started reading comics there and has rose tinted glasses for it like ultimate marvel gays
Agreed. Everything post-Flashpoint needs to die in a fire. Either it swings from bland status quo or cataclysmic destruction of characters or lore.
Hell, kill Flashpoint too for creating a cinematic trainwreck.
Sideways was not good by any measure. It was completely derivative and generic, but people praised it for giving them something safe and predictable. Every issue barely had any content, there were no memorable villains, and the protagonist had no development or supporting cast. One should just read Ditko's Spider-Man again.
>It was completely derivative and generic
Every fricking big 2 comic is derivative and generic, every single one from Superman to Spider-Man original run.
you needed this to devolve into a discussion about the logo they use in order to validate your opinion of current state of comics? Sad mate. Real sad. Use your brain and think for yourself moron.
You haven't looked hard enough.
NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DESTROY OP'S ARGUMENT NOOOOOOOOOOO SAVE ME SNYDERBROS
I did.
>spoonfed
kek
Garbage.
Oh, trust me Anon, OP is actually checking out what DC is putting out. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have made this thread kek
Stealth recommendation thread? Eat shit OP no ones gonna spoonfed you.
Catwoman Lonely City
>fat ivy
>dude batman's dead
>selina/riddler
reddit
Think again.
They should actually update this cursed logo next year.
Gunn implied he was going to bring back the bullet logo.
I won't lie, this is probably the lowest DC has ever been. So reverting back to the logo at the time when DC was good would be the greatest thing, or the worst.
Proof? I want it back so bad.
>proof?
You're such an imbecile. Gunn has no control over the comics division and that logo went away because of a lawsuit.
thats why I wanted proof moron, I am aware of the skateshoe lawsuit.
>dude my dad works at nintendo
>proof?
Are you dense?
why are you so upset? calm down sugar breasts.
He faved a post on twitter talking about using the bullet logo
It also showed up in front of The Flash for a split second
refreshing myself on the issue with the main issue with the skate shoe company and DC comics boiled down to both using DC and a star. There I fixed the issue, where is my money dc?
shared wrong one lol you can still see form of a star
Sovl
Was Prieststoke under this logo?
Yes. OP is a moron.
Yeah, I don't get why people think this run is good. Priest is such a bad writer.
Why?
Why what?
Why is Priest such a bad writer?
I don't know why he turned out this way.
What about his writing is bad?
He made a book about a globetrotting, super-powered assassin boring.
Boring is just a synonym of bad. This is the part where you start to back up your feelings with reasonings.
Too much talking.
false rebirth and some 2018 comics were good
Waller Vs Wildstorm, Superman Lost, Superman Space Age, Dead Boy Detectives, Nightmare County, Swamp Thing...
>Russell
>Ram V
>unfinished priest Superman story which is worse than his deathstroke
>Stephen kings kid’s shit
have a nice day shill
You're nothing but an NPContrarian, OP
You're nothing but an npc shill.
🙂
How the frick did this comic take nearly a decade to make, considering how short and unremarkable it is? There is nothing experimental or daring in this. We've seen since the bronze age that joker is willing to protect Bruce's identity.
Art.
No. I'm an artist, and not a cal-arts tier artist. No artwork in this comic justifies taking a decade to make. Jason Fabok's art in Three Jokers is fricking fantastic, and it didn't take nearly as much time.
OP said good.
I can't believe they thought twice monthly was a good idea.
I enjoyed twice monyhly even thrice when marvel did it with ASM
It’s honestly really annoying that amazing has been twice monthly, frickers gonna be the only marvel book at 1000 with the closest book to him being somewhere in the high 700s
The only good book in this list is Deathstroke and maybe Detective Comics for following continuity and pretending it was a pre52 title.
>b-but jessica!
>but tomasi's COZINESS!
>le redhood's dark trinity!
>gene luen yang!
Garbage.
Reprints op.
Unironically DC really step up the reprint game.
>originally published
Why are you posting this?
i miss reading new comics every week
why everything is so shit now?
>inb4 cheeky or passive agressive Cinemaphile comment
suck me,im not in the mood
Tp be fair Marvel and DC were objectively never good, there is a reason why no big 2 writer or comic was ever considered relevant outside the comics bubble, they are all low quality stories.
Moore, Kirby Gaiman, Miller, Starlin, Kirkman and Mignola were massively influencial outside of comics, regardless of how you feel about their writing. Not just in movies, but prose books and by influencing other creators.
>Moore, Kirby Gaiman, Miller, Starlin, Kirkman and Mignola
No they fricking aren't unless you are talking about sales and in this case modern shonen stomp even their highest point, if you wanted something that actually had any relevancy on being good you should mention Conan.
>unless you are talking about sales
I said "outside of comics." How would I possibly be talking about sales, you moron? Did you just want to talk about manga and quoted a random post to do it regardless of the content?
I never said influencial, I said relevant, none of them are highly praised works, none of them are seen as good by non comic standards.
>none of them are highly praised works
Probably because I didn't list "works", I listed authors. Can you speak English? Because if you can't, I'm not surprised you don't get the authors I'm referencing.
>none of them are seen as good by non comic standards
Disney just released a documentary in which Stan Lee claims to have created Marvel all by himself. After the Kirby estate made a statement claiming falsehood, creators from every industry, from everywhere outside comics, came out to say Kirby was the God of Olympus for them and no one was more relevant.
Are you moronic or missing the point on purpose? None of Kirby stories are highly praised by non comic books standards and yes comic books are books. Do you think Dr Strange or Fantastic four would join the top 10, 100 or even 1000 best fantasy or sci fi stories?
>praised by non comic books standards
I just told you non comic book creators, i.e. non comic book standards, praised Kirby over and over since last week.
You are either moronic or delusional, just cope.
I'm not hearing the counter argument. I gave you an example of what you were asking for.
Writers supporting Kirby is not him being praised and seen as one of the greastest writers ever by critics or the world as a whole, you are straight up moronic if you think any of his works are even above average. Again cope.
>one of the greastest writers ever
Your claim was "no big 2 writer was ever considered relevant outside the comics bubble." Why did you move the goalpost?
again relevant not influential again even shitty manga outsell and is more referenced than Marvel and DC at this point
Writers from outside comics saying Kirby inspired their career and is their high mark they aspire to reach is the definition of Kirby being relevant outside of comics. Also, you said "ever," so it only needs to have happened once to disprove your claim.
Which writers and how many?
You said it never ever happened, so I only need to mention the single example of Guillermo del Toro to prove you're ignorant.
Good director, not an authority on books.
You said it had never happened, not that it had never happened from one of the best writers of all time. Make up your mind.
Not an argument, you're full on damage control because you can't accept that Marvel and DC were always cheap stories using stolen ideas from actually good novels.
Hey leave that goalpost alone
and even the "influence" of the big 2 is pretty debatable, several of their "ideas" like a Super Soldier created from a serum or a guy going to another planet and dealing with aliens that look just like his race while developing superpowers were from older novels and were overused tropes at that point
Influence doesn't mean originality. They only need to have been the most popular ones to do the trope to influence, not the first.
Anyway, how is Watchmen's influence debatable?
and inb4 "Dr Strange is not Kirby", I'm talking about Marvel as a whole little smartass
>Do you think Dr Strange or Fantastic four would join the top 10, 100 or even 1000 best fantasy or sci fi stories?
You mean like Watchmen, the DC Comic, did?
Why is everything bad when I don't read it and don't know what's coming out? Truly a mystery.
blackstars by morrison is great
It's almost amazing how bad this book is.
Source?
>Waid, Mora. World's Finest, 2023. DC Comics
Source on the book being bad
Waid, Mora. World's Finest, 2023. DC Comics, Issue 1, pages 1 to 22. Did you not read it?
What is everybody opinion about DC worst era: the new52?
Action Comics and Batwoman were not good, but passable. Batman, Inc was good. The rest never should have been published.
Midnighter, Section Eight, Grayson, Secret Six and Multiversity are good comics, but they're not part of the New 52.
It was what was going on when I first got into comics, so I have a soft spot for it.
it was better than rebirth
it worked for what it was intended. It made me a DC fan and go back and read the better stuff.
Most of them are just worse than what they were before the reboot.
Action Comics was held back because of the reboot and would have been better if it had years of lore.
Aquaman started strong, but went to shit in vol2.
Being forced to read Green Arrow should be a war crime.
Swampthing is mid and is just there to make retcons to a better book that wasn't even canon anymore.
The Movement gave us one of the best Weekend of Pain threads I've ever seen. Make of that what you will.
Justice League was a shitshow that kept on setting up plots and never followed up on them.
DC has never recovered and anyone telling you it’s anything but unmitigated dogshit either started reading comics there and has rose tinted glasses for it like ultimate marvel gays
Rebirth and the current era are so abysmally boring and fanfic tier
Agreed. Everything post-Flashpoint needs to die in a fire. Either it swings from bland status quo or cataclysmic destruction of characters or lore.
Hell, kill Flashpoint too for creating a cinematic trainwreck.
>blocks your path
>dude nothing happens but it's COMFY
>"dude nothing happens but it's COMFY" Mark Twain
I loved that one too
So many issues, and Clark doesn't have conflict or a character arc in any of them...
No matter what anyone brings up here, there will be someone else saying it's the worst comics ever written.
jimmy olsen maxiseries was also great
Good pick.
Good god now. Fraction just writes cape comics for people who hate cape comics. Like all modern writers.
so...DC hasn't published good books since the 70s?
Also, Dark Prince Charming homie
>Dark Prince Charming
Terrible writing, like it was written by a teenager that just became aware of Batman.
I couldn't believe it at first that they only officially called themselves this in the 70s.
kenan and sideways were good books too.
Sideways was not good by any measure. It was completely derivative and generic, but people praised it for giving them something safe and predictable. Every issue barely had any content, there were no memorable villains, and the protagonist had no development or supporting cast. One should just read Ditko's Spider-Man again.
>It was completely derivative and generic
Every fricking big 2 comic is derivative and generic, every single one from Superman to Spider-Man original run.
They can introduce new elements, though. Sideways introduced none but higher prices LOL
Shit
I was never happier than when this logo went away.
Thanks for proving me right.
you needed this to devolve into a discussion about the logo they use in order to validate your opinion of current state of comics? Sad mate. Real sad. Use your brain and think for yourself moron.
What are you talking about, schizo?
At least it isn't the toilet seat logo.
Agree. Shittiest logo, but this era had better comics.
supergirl by tom king but it was carried by art
Awful comic. The art doesn't save it.
>thread is OP responding to every reply with "no" over and over
Nice thread. Sure beats actually discussing comics and cartoons
Old DC was better