>no side windows
>no shields
>loud as frick
was the empire trying to lose?
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>no side windows. >no shields. >loud as frick
>no side windows
>no shields
>loud as frick
was the empire trying to lose?
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>was the empire trying to lose
They were trying to win against the Vong invasion and TIE fighters were well-engineered to counter their organic technology.
In how many threads are you gonna post about the fricking Vongs
all of them because it's the canon answer op asked for
it's not the canon answer
they also used them in the galactic civil war you tard
Now THIS is glup shitto posting
glup schizo
EU was always (99%) trash.
Vong invasion implies the Emperor was the good guy (or at least an anti-hero) since he foresaw this happening and prepared for it. That completely destroys the narrative balance of what Star Wars is about. It literally destroys the plot and morals of Star Wars which is why it’s actually a timeless masterpiece to begin with.
Vong are fricking horrible, just horrible.
Still 999 centillion times better than the sequels.
>Still 999 centillion times better than the sequels.
and that's the most hilariously sad thing about it all
lol yup.
Vong is just a stupid idea, it isn’t an evil idea.
Sequel trilogy is purposely evil, they made purposely evil decisions to demoralize the audience and corrupt the moral foundation of our contemporary myths.
EU was just dumb junk food and never claimed to be anything other than that.
>the plot and morals of Star Wars which is why it’s actually a timeless masterpiece to begin with.
lmao
>LE EMPIRE IS LE EVIL BECAUSE... JUST BECAUSE!!
>STORMTROOPERS ARE BAD BECAUSE THEY SCARY SKULL SOLDIERS!!
>WE LE REBELS!! WE REBELION!!
It's a literal kid's movie
That isn’t what it’s about.
Star Wars is ultimately a coming of age tale about redemption, it’s quite biblical.
Star Wars is for kids, it’s also for anyone. It’s a retelling of the foundational myths that have built the greatest civilizations this world has ever known.
>it’s quite biblical.
care to elaborate? unless you have some moronic take like emperor=satan
The easiest thing to do is point you to Joseph Campbell.
If you can’t see the biblical themes of forgiveness, redemption and salvation then you aren’t worldly enough to be commenting on whether something is “for kids” or not.
You are focused on the backdrop. The entire beating heart of Star Wars lays within Luke’s personal journey which is a reflection of the audience.
I could write you 50,000 words, and if this was a decade ago I would but I can’t be bothered to now.
ah, i thought you meant old testament, not sure why
Something tells me user bias.
touche
>It’s a retelling of the foundational myths that have built the greatest civilizations this world has ever known.
lolno
Why would he not prepare for it? What's the point of being emperor if you don't sustain your empire? Oh right he can't be any more complex than Le Ebil Man right?
>EU was always (99%) trash.
yes
>Emperor was the good guy
he was, old and new republics were completely useless and all they did was create anarchy. And jedi pupeteering civil goverment is unacceptable. Palpi did nothing wrong
>morals of Star Wars
lol, lmao even
Palpatine wasn’t a good guy he was just pragmatic enough to realize that letting a bunch of genocidal aliens invade his galaxy would be bad news for running his empire.
There's a bunch of ways Sheev could have prepared the galaxy for the Vong invasion that didn't require him to centralize all power within himself; he did that because he wanted to. All the Vong threat did was give him a time limit
Enjoy getting ripped apart by canon cucks. Frick you canon cucks, you decide to live in a miserable, no fun World and want everyone to be as frustrated as yourself
the emperor wasn't preparing for the vong, that's a fan theory
The Vong are fan fiction so it doesn’t matter anyways. Only the original three movies are canon. Everything else is “what-if”.
Damn Black person, youre more pathetic with your canon bullshit than sequel gays and yidsney adults.
You should play up being a caricature even more to really sell it. israelites mass murder children btw.
That’s a cute name for it.
no, the vong are licensed fiction
There was a girl who sat in front of me in physics and she use to always wear Vongs. I use to always jerk it to her whale tails.
They were cheap
I'm one of those tasteless freaks that actually likes the Yuuzhan Vong but you still a moron for bringing them up in this context.
EUtroons are embarrassing.
They're cheap and easy to make.
lel
>loud as frick
>in space
you idiots realize that they can also fly in a planet's atmosphere, right?
Radar
Relies on being very maneuverable
Kino fear instiller
Low unit cost = they can zerg the enemy
Low unit cost and zerg rush doesn't really work when you have limited capacity to store them and they explode in one hit.
I dunno man, that ERRRRRAAWWWWWW sound is pretty sick
That's why we designed them to make that noise, we could have made them indestructible with shields like the falcon but we wanted to give the x-wings something to shoot.
Tarkin, and the Tarkin doctrine, was moronic
the concept of "we need lots of shit thats ineffective but scary" works on paper (its why the TIE sounds like that) but as soon as someone doesnt fear you, you go from scary looking and ineffective shit to just ineffective shit
the empire used the V-wing for a year or two, which had side windows
plus tarkin was forcefully inserting himself into every other project and either shutting them down/redirecting resources because he wanted the death star done, or he was inserting hinself so he could take command and full credit for it
Say one more bad thing about Tarkin and I’ll fricking kick your balls up to your throat.
>tells tarkin to frick off
Foul stench
Tarkin was ineffective and hard carried by other more competent officers.
They are not ineffective though, they might be subpar but they still get the job done, police carry handguns instead of submachine guns for the everyday patrol despite them being inferior in every way, they still work though
>the concept of "we need lots of shit thats ineffective but scary" works on paper
That was the Soviet doctrine, and it produced a lot of shit-tier, but functional, kit. Everything from fighter aircraft, rifles, machine guns, and sub-machine guns and tanks. That doctrine CAN work, but the sweet spot is somewhere in the middle of "functional and cheap" and "over-engineered and expensive". That's what the U.S. used to be good at back in the day.
OP, that's just cool design for a movie. It doesn't need to work in reality.
Yes, I was definitely talking about reality when I mentioned shields
That's an ugly space ship
>was the empire trying to lose?
Yes, yes they were.
Yeah and white armor isn’t good camo outside of a snow environment and the AT AT walkers would be really easy to topple and stormtrooper armor can’t stop shit and blah blah blah
It’s space fantasy who cares
there is no "sideways" in space
ok but there is
every battle they line up on a plane relative to one another
Is there a sci-fi franchise where they have starships fighting with each other in random orientations as opposed to what you posted?
Yes? Every one that takes into account real physics instead of making "le WW2 naval battle but in space!"
They must be so good that nobody can even think of one.
You know what looks great on camera? Tons of spaceships in various orientations in a sparse formation. Really easy to get in frame too.
The Expanse
Chosen for the ease of filming. You could make up your own theory why this is, perhaps Star Wars navigational systems automatically determine a default orientation after exiting hyperspace which is why opposing forces wind up on the same plane.
It wouldn’t be ridiculous to assume that there are default “safe” positions the galactic gps automatically calculates.
In my opinion it matters little, it’s space fantasy and looks great on camera. Thats all that really matters.
There are instances within the movies where this isn’t the case by the way, such as the executor crashing into DSII.
>There are instances within the movies where this isn’t the case by the way, such as the executor crashing into DSII.
it was on the same plane, then after the bridge got hit it listed to the side and went down, look at the guys behind it
it sank like a ship into the death star
DS2 definitely has its own gravitational pull, even if slight, it’s fricking huge. If the bridge is destroyed on the executor then it stands to reason it lost the ability to navigate in step with powering critical systems and was naturally pulled to the nearest celestial body.
You can make shit up. It’s Star Wars, not NASA wars.
Top is cinematic and conveys a message.
Bottom is substantially less impressive to look at.
The bridge exploding could easily explain away why it fell like that. Maybe whateve repulsorlift lioe fictional technology malfunctioned after the bridge exploded and made it do that.
Star Wars only need to make sense within the context of the world it established, it doesn’t need any realism outside of what is presented as realistic.
Bottom is stupid and incredibly idiotic. The only reason it crashed was because it lost control and couldn't turn on the engines, so the death star's gravity pulled it in. Gravity pulls directly downwards towards the mass.
most depictions of space combat follow air combat rules (or perhaps submarine rules)
it's a 3d space, but there is a definite up and down.
yes it's for cinematic purposes.
for me, I think "real" space combat wouldn't require 3d thinking. the distances involved will be larger than any fleet by orders of magnitude, so what you will have is two points fighting each other.
sure, you could fly a few thousand meters "up" but you'll still be in range and sight of all their weapons.
what will really be important is the mastery of orbital trajectories. computers will of course calculate all that shit for you, but you the human will need to come up with the plan first.
That sounds visually boring and math-intensive
there is when you film space
the force transmits sound
>loud
>in space
you have never watched star wars
the troopers need those helmets to protect their ears in the hanger bay.
>*constipation noises*
>loud as frick
There is no sound in space.
then how did they capture its sound when filming the space parts of the movies, moron?
Why do people think these fighters are bad just because they don’t have shields out the ass and unnecessary extra laser cannons? They’re interceptors, they’re not meant to fulfill multiple roles like the X-Wing they’re there to frick up the enemy’s fighters so the capital ships can do the heavy work, and they do that job well since they’re cheap so there’s hundreds of them compared to the tens the Rebels can field on top of being fast and maneuverable.
>Why do people think these fighters are bad just because they don’t have shields out the ass and unnecessary extra laser cannons?
because they are the reason the death star blew up
Death Star blew up because it had a “blow up Death Star” hole. Rebel alliance was getting annihilated until Luke had to literally become one with the divine and make an impossible shot.
Remember there were multiple scenes of X-Wings getting trashed by turbo lasers and Tie Fighters.
RIP Porkins.
The only bit of soul in the entire sequel trilogy is when Llewyn Davis hijacks the Thai-fighter and is thrilled by its tremendous acceleration as he flies it out the hangar bay, saying "WEOOO THIS THING REALLY MOVES!"
Man I hate to admit it but OG Star Wars really did have really cool design ideas. Almost a shame what happened to it, unavoidable as it may be.
>Is much faster and handles much better than the junk heaps the opposition flies
If I’m in an F-15 Tomcat and my opponents are flying Mitsubishi Zeros I’m going to feel pretty fricking invulnerable.
That’s not an apt comparison.
TIEs vs X-Wings is like 300 well trained soldiers with Sten guns vs 50 adequate soldiers with Sturmgewehrs.
Yeah and if you're trying to defend against a naval air raid where you and 5 buddies need to prevent 100 Zeros from sinking your carrier then you're going to be hard-pressed to stop all of them.
>loud
>in space
in my headcanon palpatine just fricked off after taking over the republic and let his corrupt goonies do whatever they want which led to ridiculously ineffective projects. it's kinda ironic because the republic fell for similar reasons
I think that is canon based on the new Thrawn novels; Thrawn works pretty closely with ISB spooks to crack down on corruption and factionalism
Flying TIEs is great. Flying Y-Wings is a pain in the dick since they're slow as frick and you can't see shit out of their wienerpits.
Considering they were meant to be deployed from a carrier in squadrons of 20-30,their logistical shortcomings are irreelevant.